Exclusive. Big Bear Choppers Launching New Titanium Model And Preparing A Line Of Custom Parts For Harley Sportsters

BBCTitanium1BBCTitanium2BBCTitanium3BBCTitanium4You all know the story of custom motorcycles manufacturer Big Bear Choppers. Going from boom to bust, then restarting a new business life as “Rage Hard Choppers” (Simon Scott), now the new owner and manufacturer of the BBC brand. After resolving all the legal and commercial issues that have heavily weighted on Big Bear Choppers’ image and on Kevin and Mona Alsop’s reputation as business people and persons, the couple is working hard at regaining the trust of both custom motorcycle lovers and at rebuilding a new dealers network, here in the US and abroad.

After much soul searching and marketing research, Kevin and Mona are re-emerging with a new approach to the market, a new Titanium model featured here and a soon to be annouced  line of custom parts for Harley-Davidson Sportster. All being the first public expressions of what Big Bear Choppers is going to try to accomplish during the next few years. Clearly, leveraging some of the best of Harley-Davidson platforms to offer improved customized interpretation, both aesthetically and technologically, and this without sacrificing any original factory reliability. A philosophy that could be described as “finishing Milwaukee’s job.”

BBCTitanium5BBCTitanium6I wish that all of you focus your comments on this new model, not on the past, because everything about the BBC story has already been reported by me … and commented by you. Before introducing you to the Titanium to be unveiled in Daytona Beach on March 8th (Big Bear Choppers display will at the International Speedway) I must disclose that, at their request, I sat down with Scott Simon, Kevin & Mona Alsop during the last Sturgis Bike Week. The Alsops were sincere in acknowledging their mistakes, in admitting that they wrongly believed that pouring more of their own money (all of it), then borrowing more, they could survive a very depressed economy and a changing taste in bikes. And this until they realized that the business was surviving only with clients’ deposits to pay for other clients work.

Of course, an unsustainable business model that had the consequences you know.  Clients not getting their bikes completed as promised and the Alsops losing all their money. Today, after several more conversations I had with them, it’s my conviction that they never intended to defraud anyone on purpose and it seems that at this time all commercial issues have been resolved.

BBCTitanium7 BBCTitanium8Back to the Titanium, I asked Kevin to give me in exclusivity some details on this brand new BBC model marking the company official return to  the custom motorcycle manufacturing business. .

Cyril. “What made you decide to build this style of bike as your Ragehard choppers/Big Bear Choppers new production model?”

Kevin. “Because in Sturgis you told me to build more affordable custom motorcycles and parts in the Sportster and Dyna categories, keeping in mind a younger clientele and those who want to ride long distances.“. Laugh (it’s true that I said to Kevin that his former style for which he was famous and very successful at during many years will not cut it anymore in a new custom motorcycle industry were taste and expectations have evolved so much during the last decade)

Cyril. “Glad you listened, but I didn’t design or built this Titanium and Sportster parts. Tell me more

Kevin. ” Back in 2011 I put well over 30,000 miles on an FXR-P. Riding that bike for so many miles, I was amazed at the qualities and attributes the bike had. It has superior handling and superior comfort by isolating the engine in the frame and rubber mounting it. The frame in the FXR is 5 times stiffer than the original FXE frame, which is hard to imagine, but it really is, and that information comes directly from the engineers at Harley-Davidson. So learning about all of this while putting that many miles on it, gave me a true appreciation and understating on how the bike really works. It’s all because of the stiffness of the frame with the side “Vs” or triangle tubing also contributing to it. Result, there is no flex in the rear swingarm and the rear of the bike is not “walking” like with some other HD models.

BBCTitanium9Cyril. “I agree that the Harley FXR is one of the best handling and comfortable bikes Milwaukee has ever produced. But what did you bring to its conception to make it even better”

Kevin. “I think Harley could have gone further, exploiting what was already the best handling V-Twin frame by adding essential attributes like a superior suspension and an improved braking setup. It’s what I focused on and it makes the Titanium an unbelievable V-Twin bike to ride on long distances, at any speed and on any terrain or road conditions.”

“What other mechanical improvements do you bring to this FXR platform?”

Kevin. ” Obviously, the FXR frame is not something new, but nobody that I can remember has taken that stock frame, and kept the drivetrain right where it is supposed to be with a 180 mm rear tire, keeping the bike perfectly balanced, as it is when delivered from the Harley factory. We didn’t alter the integrity of the stock frame. Its geometry and structure are not modified. We did a 0.900 offset of the transmission sprocket, and using a chain drive we were able to fit a 180 mm tire. But everything else stayed the same. The only thing we widened are the fender struts to accommodate the fender hugging the new rear wheel width. Also, Harley used cleave blocks in the swingarm, and they sucked. We use spherical bearings.

Cyril. “You gave my readers the opportunity of being the first to see the Titanium. But when is the official public unveiling?”

Kevin. ” March 8th In Daytona at our display on International Speedway . A Titanium will be available to journalists for test rides during all Daytona Bike Week. Come to see us  and ride it as much as you want, Cyril”


Stay tuned for Big Bear Choppers new line of custom parts for Harley-Davidson Sportsters.



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122 Responses to “Exclusive. Big Bear Choppers Launching New Titanium Model And Preparing A Line Of Custom Parts For Harley Sportsters”

  1. 1 Jessy Reno Mar 4th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Specialy by judjing the handling of this bike, i like it!

  2. 2 Shifter Mar 4th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    I guess everybody deserves a second chance. Pretty good bike.

  3. 3 JoAnn Bortles Mar 4th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Just wondering what ever happened with all the Big Bear customers who sent in deposits on bikes and ordered parts back before they “closed shop” a few years ago. Did those customers just lose their money?

  4. 4 GuitarSlinger Mar 4th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Brilliant ! I had an FXR-P and am in complete agreement with Kevin . It was the best bike the company ever built out of the box ,yet still having plenty of room for development . This effort looking like another step forward … though I’d of left off the left side engine cover ( I like seeing the mechanicals ) Two thumbs up on the Titanium . Here’s hoping for a brighter future ( the plan as stated sure sound promising ) and as far as the past ….. thats the past … we all ____ up …… lets leave it in the past and move on . Hope you’ll show more of their work Cyril as they come out from under the covers ;-)

  5. 5 Reyn Mansson Mar 4th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Very nice, a usable custom.

  6. 6 pokergolf420 Mar 4th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Good to see they paid back all the people they screwed, seeing as how that’s the only way they can really have their legal issues behind them. As far as I’ve heard though, that hasn’t happened and a lot of people still haven’t got their money back.

  7. 7 FXDX805 Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Speaking of second chance, is this a FXRP?

  8. 8 jUST SAYIN' Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    “All Commercial issues have been resolved”….Aside from BK and screwing dozens of suppliers, are you saying that they have paid back all the deposits?

  9. 9 big tonys chopp shop Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    what about all the people who lost their hard earned money in the great flop?

  10. 10 domino Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Oh yeah… a bike you can actually ride…

  11. 11 Branner Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Caveat emptor.

  12. 12 Steelchoppin Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Holy Sh!t…that is a bad ass bike! How about a price point?

  13. 13 BobS Mar 4th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    I really like the direction this bike is going and would like to see more builders taking this approach. Congrats on that. Forgive me though if the phrase, “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.” comes to mind.

  14. 14 tree Mar 4th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    love it

  15. 15 big tonys chopp shop Mar 4th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    the new trend in america, steal peoples hard earned money and say your sorry. what happened to settling all debts before getting a second chance at it. on behalf of the credited builders in america I would like to personaly apolagize to all the people who lost their money for their bikes. I personaly think that they should be given credit towards new bikes or return their money. Otherwise i would be glad to help them out and discount them with proof of deposit, towards bikes from my shop. When a member from the chopper community does this type of thing, it is up to all of us to restore faith in the small buisness man. Especially when it comes to a trust based relationship between builder and buyer.

  16. 16 CafeSportyTC Mar 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    the upper part of the leg fairings reminds me of the Oil tank and battery covers of the Older FLT’s ….

  17. 17 Roger Mar 4th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    It looks like a great bike. But it will take some time for BBC to regain full credibility. Time & a series of good bikes like this one are the only way to go to be back in full swing.

  18. 18 Joe Cree Mar 4th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    They’re onto something I believe. I designed an FXR frame style custom back in 2009 with the help of Phil at Daytec. Mine uses a belt final drive with a 200 tire and a few other style differences but essentially the same idea. I felt the market was due for a custom that could be ridden long distances, with a passenger and have the ability to do light touring with the add on of small bags and a windscreen/fairing set up. Basically a wersatile daily rider but custom built to the client’s specs out of the box instead of buying a Dyna and dumping a ton of money into personalizing it and making it have decent power. My other goal was affordability so hopefully they kept that in mind too. I think under $20K for a base point is a good idea.

  19. 19 Brutus Mar 4th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Kevin & Mona owe a huge thank you to Cyril for very good advice. One of the few in the business with great vision about what works and what doesn’t. It bothers me a little bit to like this Titanium very much.

  20. 20 Poop Mar 4th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    despite cyril’s request that nobody point out the emporer’s lack of clothes, ethics, or accountability, i will take no part in promoting the alsops ventures and thus aiding in the victimization of others. the bike community used to be one in which you didn’t screw people over, because the people tended to hold a grudge, spread the word. that one person, even if he’s cyril huze, expresses his desire we simply compliment the bike and not mention how many people have been screwed by these people is disappointing, to say the least. shame.

  21. 21 gill Mar 4th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    it will be much more than 20000. that font end alone looks expensive! I’m thinking more in the 30 to 35 range.

  22. 22 Cyril Huze Mar 4th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Poop. Just a correction. It’s me who broke the news of BBC closing, faithfully reported on the situation with clients and vendors in many features, let all those who had issue with BBC comment and explain their situation, and this without censoring anyone (just make a search on all these features using the search box at the top right of this page). I can even tell you that Kevin & Mona Alsop were quite upset at me at the time for doing so. I just told them I was doing my job of objectively reporting facts.

  23. 23 Drake Mar 4th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Under 20K, I buy one if it’s ready to pick up on the BBC floor.

  24. 24 Doug Mar 4th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Considering the history, it would have been interesting to see this web unveiling in 2-parts:

    1. Unveil the bike photos, specs, and intent with no mention of the shop

    2. Reveal the name of the builder in a post a day later

  25. 25 redwings Mar 4th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    unless you have forgotten what happened to AMF when they put that garbage insignia on a harley tank, let me remind you. Us Harley riders have a memory like an elephant. When a brother gets taken for a ride from companies like BBC I take it personally as if it happened to me. They’ll get over on noobs and wannabes for awhile until they realize nobody will ride with anything with BBC on it.

  26. 26 Poop Mar 4th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    good on you for that, mr. huze. and good on you for not censoring a community that tries to keep others from getting the same treatment all over again by speaking up in the comments section here. that i do respect. that the alsops were upset with you about covering their prior fall from grace is not surprising; the way they’ve handled themselves with so many in this industry, not just you, tells the true and resounding story of their character. an open discussion in an open and uncensored community tends to be the best for of communication for my part, and for the part of truth. thank you for not playing the role of media puppet that we see so much in this industry and beyond, inasmuch as you allow open discussion about issues relevant to the article posted. and i’m afraid that despite your stated preference for comments only on the bike featured, the business ethics of those we trust to fabricate, repair and warrant that bike is a very relevant topic.

    thanks again for what you do.

  27. 27 big tonys chopp shop Mar 4th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    i think it is all our responsibility to discourage builders who screw people and then spend a load of money to repromote the same buisness on a new platform.this is moneys that could of paid back people or go into the build they paid for. if you like it or not, they screwed people by accident or on purpose. they need to reestablish good faith to our industry because this effects us all, especially the small guys. I meant every word to help the people who lost out if big bear does not. they need to be held to a higher standard now especialy with what they have done. This kind of business cannot keep going on without certain repercussions. when will it stop? or is it ok to let this industry destroy itself by these kind of practices. If you think people are going to forget this by introducing a long remembered great bike built by harley, and wash away they damage has already been done. these people need to make good on their promises or we are no better than the criminals from wall street. Time to take a stand and say no more if you love building bikes for people. .

  28. 28 big tonys chopp shop Mar 4th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    wow i cant believe what i am hearing. So support these people after what they did. I stand behind my statement to help the people who lost out on their bikes, I will except their deposit with proof to go towards a bike from me and i guarantee they will get what they pay for.. After what i see what big bear spent on a new model and promoition, it is very clear they have no intention to make restitution. shame on the alsop’s and shame on any endorsement no matter how cool the bike. people were hurt and so promote them instead of banish them. I am extending my hand to all owners of existing b.b.c. bikes and future ones. this kind of thing must be stopped by us. Or we are pulling our own plunger.

  29. 29 FXDX805 Mar 4th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    I agree. Good lookin bike, but no support for BBC.

  30. 30 Josh Parker Mar 4th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Good or bad news, Cyril will report the facts. The time when bad companies and products could hide behind the silence of print media is over. Thank him & internet for giving back power to all bikers. I think BBC may erase the past with good products and good service to clients. But it will take some time. 1 or 2 years minimum.

  31. 31 Spritz De Coochy Mar 4th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    where are the sportster parts?

  32. 32 pokergolf420 Mar 4th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    BBC will NEVER erase the past unless they reimburse the people they blatantly ripped off and all the people with recalled bikes that were never fixed. I have dealt with these people (Kevin and Moaner) face to face and saw exactly what they were made of Scott Simon who now owns the “intellectual property” has already basically said to all the people who got screwed that “it sucks to be you”, washed his hands and moved on. All you need to do is look at the promo pic of Kevin and Scott where Kevin is giving the entire bike community both fingers. Does he think that was cute? Just a sign of the class of people you will be dealing with if you buy from these theives, and what they think of potential customers. With any luck these ass hats will be bankrupt again by the end of the year.

  33. 33 Dennis P Farley Mar 4th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    It is a big waste of time and money. It will never run with, or out handle a Ducati Diavel, so what would temp a motorcyclist to buy one? That fairing looks ridiculous, the Buell was a far better engineered machine, and it didn’t sell well enough to keep an audience, why would anyone think BBC would be in business ten years from now?

    Just sayin’

    Dennis P Farley

  34. 34 redwings Mar 4th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    why oh why would any business person think they could take ppl’s deposit money and spend that on other things. Want a new sporty? just send them a healthy deposit I’m sure you’ll get what you deserve
    :) :) :)

  35. 35 GuitarSlinger Mar 4th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    big tony’s chopp shop ;

    Would you like a list of all the custom builders across the US ( including more than a few ‘ celebrity ‘ builders ) that have screwed either their customers or investors out of a ton of money ?

    Got a week ….. 500 pages and a whole lot of time on your hands to read it ?

    Suffice it to say the list would be a ___ of a lot shorted if it was those who haven’t screwed anyone over financially .

    Seriously though . Sit back and see what happens this round before passing judgement .

  36. 36 gill Mar 4th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Just watched the teaser on you tube. don’t think this will be the bet handling v twin on the planet. That’s not a opinion either. I think Ducati, ktm, Aprillia, and basically every manufacturer in the world may have something to say about that. That said its not a bad looking bike. really want to know what the price point will be. if it follows the price structure they have on the other models this bike has no chance.

  37. 37 FrankieV Mar 4th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    I wonder where the frame is coming from and powerplant? Will it be a evo or twincam style engine or ??? I see he is doing to a FXR what many FXR lovers have done for many many many years I’ve seen guys I know build this bike 10-15 years ago whan all the lame asses were riding fat tire junk like Big Bear built before that you couldnt bride, turn, or want to be seen on just like the big wheel bagger crap that you cant ride either!

  38. 38 Tom Maioli Mar 4th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    I remember Joe Cree’s FXR / Daytec bikes. They had the reputation of being the best riding and best handling bikes built at the time and with only 30 or 32 deg of rake. I believe Phill Day still has one with a trimmed down FXRT fairing.

  39. 39 Lol W Mar 4th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    We love it……..

  40. 40 Robear Mar 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Haters gon hate! You people complain all you want about BBC but just know that you’re just a couple people in this world, with your opinions that no one really cares about. Let that sink in and hope you have a nice day :) On a side note that bike is sickkkkkk.

  41. 41 Septic the Sceptic Mar 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Beautiful bike. I’d love one just like it, but not if Kevin or Mona had anything to do with it.

  42. 42 NOMAD Mar 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    @ redwings

    How does what happen in the past affect me as a consumer? I don’t care about politics and who/when/how did what. All I see is a product that looks great in pics, specs that I like and if the price is “right” I’ll buy it waaay before I’ll buy another H-D product.
    BTW, I was around in the AMF years. My ’77 FXE was great to me as well my current ’74 Shovelhead. And I’ve never had any issues with AMF bowling balls either. Great product.

  43. 43 Poop Mar 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    someone with a past of screwing folks over is more likely to screw people over in the future, nomad. that’s what it has to do with consumers and the alsops. people had horrible accidents on their products before due to bad welds that they knew about, and still were not acknowledging while untold numbers of other customers were still riding around on other frames with the same problem. you’re asking how does the character of the alsops affect you as the consumer? well, you can see a cool bike like this in a blog, but not be able to trust that the workmanship was up to snuff, or even that if there were problems, that they’d own up to it, or even warn anyone from a potentially deadly problem, all to cover their own asses. when it comes down to staying in business vs. looking out for your safety (not to mention your pocketbook), they’ll look out for number one every time. that has EVERYTHING to do with the quality of their product. hell, even folks with BBCs without a frame problem lost a ton of value on it, because of the bad name.

  44. 44 Septic the Sceptic Mar 4th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    I’ll wait for the SOA Signature Series.

  45. 45 pokergolf420 Mar 4th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    BBC didn’t screw “just a couple people”, they screwed a bunch of people. There’s almost a thousand people out there with recalled frames that were never fixed and that BBC has no intention of fixing. These things are death traps and they could care less. Anyone that would trust a company like that is a complete idiot and deserves whatever they get.

  46. 46 Brescia Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    I think it’s a very good looking bike. Will check it out in Daytona.

  47. 47 Grant Trent Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    The Alspo’s will sell quite a few of them. And if no problem, will build 1 or 2 more, and if no problem bikers will forget about the past. How many companies, people fell down then recovered. BBC has a second chance. I hope they know how lucky they are to have been saved by Scott Simon and leaned a few things about managing a business.

  48. 48 Snooz button Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Kevin should probably be a bit nervous while in Daytona. Is the guy that goes to shake his hand going to shake it or punch him in the face? I hope for the latter!

  49. 49 Sonny Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    If people like the bike they will buy it. Period.

  50. 50 pops Mar 4th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    snooz button…i have being saying for awhile. can believe nobody has not put a bullet between his eyes.. just publishing this bike and contains is a slap in the face from Kevin … i know hure your just the messenger but please these guys really don’t need and publicity

  51. 51 Nick Resner Mar 4th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Truth is if Cyril didn’t put BBC near this bike, 100% of comments would be positive. Now if only 25% stay positive, BBC can make a living again at manufacturing custom motorcycles.

  52. 52 Doug Mar 4th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Kevin Alsop says in his YouTube video the bike above will “handle as well as any sportbike out there…”

    That kind of claim should raise questions right away. Very strange.

  53. 53 CHOPS Mar 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    For all of you that have seemed to “fall in love” over what you see…..you better do your homework about these so called business man/woman. When your spending other folks money to fund your own lifestyle and then just walk away with no obligation to repay what you in fact STOLE….your a P.O.S.

    Personally I hope they get what they rightly deserve, and for you sheep that like to follow ….. you’ll get yours in the end too.

    6.5 million

  54. 54 big tonys chopp shop Mar 4th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    GuitarSlinger- i like your answer, i am sure you did’nt lose any money based on your answer. so go take the plunge and risk your hard earned money. oh and the guys that have been around and have not screwed people do you have a 500 page book for them. lose your money on a build and lets see how your side changes. And i will take your advice and sit back and watch what happens and when they do it again and my friend, they did it once, they will do it again. hopefully it will be your money in the burner this time

  55. 55 Scotty Mar 4th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    I wish they had modified the frame to accept a more modern twin cam touring drivetrain with inner/outer primary covers for mid controls and the oil tank below the transmission. A SE120/6 speed would be sick in that bike!

  56. 56 Ronnie Mar 4th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    So, most people like the Titanium but don’t like the company. You buy the bike, in this case not the company image.

  57. 57 666 Mar 4th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Yikes gonna be a tough haul to build these unless someone has a boat lload of cash. What vendor in their right mind is going to extend terms to these guys ?????

  58. 58 Eric Maurer Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    that thing is wicked cool…. I don’t give a crap about the past, that’s between the business and the customers. Cool products will find an audience….. look at… Jack In The Box, GM, Hyundai, and countless others.

    Again… very cool bike (I am not a fan of the club bike style, but this thing is wicked cool regardless of the style).

  59. 59 Tussuck Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Nice bike…..I’m going to take the ideas and build my own one.

  60. 60 Lightnin`Larry Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    I have had a great deal of experience with the Alsops, none of it good! Some here have said that they deserve a second chance, I couldn’t possibly disagree more, not only do they not deserve a second chance the only think they do deserve is to be in a federal prison doing 10 to 15! I can tell you that Kevin and Mona have no integrity whatsoever! When you tell bold face lies and sweep the truth under the carpet thereby putting hundreds of people a risk of serious bodily injury and death just to save your own ass and then turn around and try to put the blame on the people that purchased your products for your bad workmanship that to me negates any possibility of being worthy of a second chance!
    Mistakes?? They take peoples hard earned money with no intent whatsoever to provide the merchandise for which they were paid and they call that a “mistake”! Taking money with no intent to provide the goods or services paid for is not a mistake, its fraud!
    So you say your not worried about what they have done in the past and that others should not worry either, would you give your money to a known thief and suddenly expect that they can be trusted with it?? Kevin and Mona are thieves and no matter what they say about how much they have changed and how sorry they are all the signs point to that being just as big a lie as everything else they have ever said!

  61. 61 Lightnin`Larry Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    There are a lot of other motorcycle companies that went under and did not throw their customers and vendors under the bus and those companies are far more deserving of a second chance than Kevin and Mona! Now, if Simon Scott had purchased all the intellectual property from BBC and tried to restart the brand without Kevin and Mona being involved I’d be all for it, but, he didn’t and as the old saying goes “when you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas”, and Rage Hard/BBC is swarming with fleas!
    To those of you who see those of us who lost much to BBC as “haters” well so be it, but if you lost your hard earned money to a couple of low life swindlers you might not be so inclined to give them a second chance either, walk a mile in my boots before you judge me!
    If none of this bothers you then by all means go and spend you money with Rage Hard/BBC but when it comes back to bite you in the ass you can’t say that you weren’t adequately warned!

  62. 62 Lightnin`Larry Mar 4th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    Tried to post this earlier but for some reason it never posted so here it goes again.

    There are a lot of other motorcycle companies that went under and did not throw their customers and vendors under the bus and those companies are far more deserving of a second chance than Kevin and Mona! Now, if Simon Scott had purchased all the intellectual property from BBC and tried to restart the brand without Kevin and Mona being involved I’d be all for it, but, he didn’t and as the old saying goes “when you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas”, and Rage Hard/BBC is swarming with fleas!
    To those of you who see those of us who lost much to BBC as “haters” well so be it, but if you lost your hard earned money to a couple of low life swindlers you might not be so inclined to give them a second chance either, walk a mile in my boots before you judge me!
    If none of this bothers you then by all means go and spend you money with Rage Hard/BBC but when it comes back to bite you in the ass you can’t say that you weren’t adequately warned!

  63. 63 KD Mar 5th, 2013 at 7:19 am

    Wow. GuitarSlinger you really ARE two-faced and biased.

    You say this about Big Bear Choppers and their new venture: “Here’s hoping for a brighter future ( the plan as stated sure sound promising ) and as far as the past ….. thats the past … we all ____ up …… lets leave it in the past and move on . Hope you’ll show more of their work Cyril as they come out from under the covers”.

    Yet, you blast EVERYTHING Polaris is doing to revive Indian, a true historical American motorcycle. Amazing, truly amazing. How about practicing what you preach.

  64. 64 GitReal Mar 5th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    Not my style bike!

    And, if it was, I sure as f@%k would not purchase one from Big Bear Choppers! Much more any company that Kevin Aslop or Mona Aslop have any involvement or affiliation with,,,,

    Lets see, in my opinion it is my understanding is as follows:

    …..About 1100 bikes with defective frames manufactured by Big Bear Choppers that the buyers were never made whole

    ….Stole money from our soldiers and veterans not to mention lie and lie and lie about it while steadily taking deposits up until almost closing.

    ….Files bankruptcy after moving assets all the time still taking deposits and lying about it to the depositor.

    ….Mona suing everyone that dares utter a breathe that she does not like.

    ….Not making the depositors whole with interest paid.

    Truthfully…I somewhat think this article is skewed towards a paid advertiser’s wants,


  65. 65 Scotty Wood Mar 5th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    I freaking love that bike. Ive always been a fan of the Club style bikes. I say they did a good job on it and glad to see they changed there style and went with whats trending. I really dig that bike!

  66. 66 Moose Mar 5th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    I wonder if back in 2011 when Kevin put that 30,000 miles on a FXR if he gave any though to all the people he screwed? Must be nice to have that kind of time and money on your hands when your trying to start yet another line of bikes. I do not like this bike and I do not like these people.

  67. 67 Mad Dog Mar 5th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    I think the bike is a piece of shit.

    I think Cyril needs to review his ethics & stop trying to square the circle.

    There are better things to report on, forget these losers.

    Stop antagonising your audience, this is ‘Hack’ reporting.

    But we love you :-)

  68. 68 Rania Mar 5th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    This is very interesting. For those of you that are #harleydavidson enthusiasts, like myself. You’ve probably noticed the huge variety of HD Sporsters grow over the last 4-5yrs. You can basically walk into a dealership and choose from more than 4 types of Sportster. For example: Sportster Superlow, The 48, 883 Iron, 72, 1200 custom ….and so on!

    I’m not surprised to see parts and accessories companies taking a dive into that market. It’s the most affordable bike that HD sells. It’s your quickest ticket into the culture. It’s also, HDs quickest ticket for buy back and resale, as they upgrade you to a larger bike after only a year or two of ownership of a Sportster. Unless the bike truly is “all you need”.

    As you can see with Big Bear Choppers, they are making it a “touring friendly” Sportster! To me, it mimics the look of a Street Glide. (Similar to what HD just did with the new Dyna touring model.) For those that can’t afford to ever upgrade their motorcycle, would you spend the money on accessories like this? The overall cost in the long run, you probably could have just bought the larger bike to begin with. The issue is, we never have the money in the beginning. Therefore, options like this are very welcoming.

  69. 69 Grey Beard Mar 5th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    redwings……, Over the yrs I’ve owned several AMF Harleys. My first AMF was in 1973 I bought a 1972 FX, the first yr AMF put their name on a tanks badge. I bought this bike from Orie Steele Jr on Rising Sun ave Philly. Let me tell you, that 72 all stock FX, “Midnight Express” w/a boat tail rear fender was reliable and ran like a cat with a scolded ass. Some refer to them a oil leakers, all HD’s up to 1984 were oil leakers. As time went on it wasn’t the actual bikes that had the problems, my understanding it was disgruntled employees on the assembly line sabotaging the bikes.

    “AMF and the shovelhead motor save an American legend”.

  70. 70 666 Mar 5th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    There is an old saying or it should be at least

  71. 71 Johnny Wolf Mar 5th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    So…let me get this straight Guitar Slinger.

    In short because so many have screwed others, it makes it okay to screw others?

    If someone broke into your house and stole your shit, would it be okay to let them do it again because they probably have done it to dozens of others?

    I don’t know how BBCs sleep at night…..probably with armed security I presume.

  72. 72 BrotherT Mar 5th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    I’m sorry, I just think that bike looks horrible. I know that everyone has different tastes, but it really looks top heavy to me.

  73. 73 pokergolf420 Mar 5th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Rania, that’s an FXR, not a sportster.

  74. 74 Dave Mar 5th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    That video on BBC’s website is ridiculous. He either hasn’t ridden sport bikes or if he has, he doesn’t know how to ride them. Bullshit claims and hype detract from some good choices made on the bike. Placement of Foot controls and hand controls are not among the good choices. The fairing doesn’t come close to looking as good as a windjammer

  75. 75 Chaotic Motorsports Mar 5th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Cool Looking bike. I am very much reminded of how the Dyna’s on Sons of Anarchy look!

  76. 76 Lightnin'Larry Mar 5th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Totally 100% agree with you GitReal!!!!

  77. 77 burnout Mar 5th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    I LOVE anything FXR. This IS a nice machine but I can’t convince any of my customers that one will handle better than their softail! peace

  78. 78 Rodent Mar 5th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    The late great Phinious T. Barnum was right “there is one born every millisecond”

  79. 79 Blackmax Mar 5th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Not thrilled withthe style of the bike & regardless of it
    You can’t discount what has been done to people/fellow bikers/brothers who put their hard earned money down on whatthey thought was a piece of “The Dream” .
    BBC, No Way, No How, Never Again …….

  80. 80 Lightnin'Larry Mar 5th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Heres an excerpt from an interview done by Bikernet on 2/3/2013 with Simon Scott

    BN: During their tough times, customers were left out to dry. How have you addressed these issues?

    SS: Look, we would love to be able to return all the deposits, or build bikes for every customer who lost out. Fundamentally, we were forced to start the company over. I bought the intellectual property and some of the tooling, but basically we are starting over, and I hired Kevin and Mona. It would be nice to try to pay folks back, but it would be committing commercial suicide. I couldn’t pay $6.5 million in debt and expect to move forward.

    Yeah Simon I’m sure you would just love to pay the people back but instead you hired Kevin and Mona, and for what??

  81. 81 MADrider Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Yawn. .. . Ugly bike! If this doofus thinks ANY Harley will handle like a sportbike what is he comparing it too a 1970Yamaha 350? There isn’t a Harley out there that would run with a Ducati! This is a ugly bunch of bolt on crap, that makes no difference whatsoever. I personally wouldn’t want my bike to look like this. Secondly I would not do buisness with those low life alsopos scum even if they were only employees working the dock ( which is still too good for them)

    I understand Cyril wantint to stay above the frey. If it was any other people, company they would probably get a pass, but these people scammed, lied, stole built defective parts, basically if you could be taken they figured out a way to do so, and thumbed there nose at everyone. Not hey were are sorry we will try to fix these things. NO just more of the same lies. Now they are trying the bolt on ugly garbage stuff, New forks, triple trees who made them? Will they crack ? will they warantee them when they break and kill people?? We will see But none the less I Will Never have a bbc rage hardon flopper part on my bikes on in my garage. Some one else will have to be the poor sap.

  82. 82 Rob Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    So they actually admit running a ponzi scheme,then say sorry and everything is all wonderful……….i don’t think so.

  83. 83 martin Twofeather Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Soon as everyone who lost money got it back I might buy one of these then again maybe not….

  84. 84 Snooz button Mar 5th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Hey Kevin………….DUCK…..No Wait… Just Stand Still A Second..

  85. 85 Sark Mar 5th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Just buy an old FXRT and hop it up!

  86. 86 Will Mar 6th, 2013 at 2:08 am

    May Simon Scott and the Alsops get what they deserve. To that end, they will never deserve any of my money.

  87. 87 Joe Cree Mar 6th, 2013 at 3:45 am

    @Tom Maioli, thanks for the props. My Nomad bagger has a 32 degree neck and my Maverick (more of an FXR) has a 28 degree neck. I tried to keep the Maverick closer to the actual FXR specs but used a Baker 6 speed, oil tank below the tranny and a 200 rear tire. The best thing about the Maverick is it’s affordable AND can be ridden anywehere and two up. Not sure any other custom builder does a rubber mount FXR style bike for under $20k.
    I commend Cyril for bringing the news to us. I also respect his wishes and won’t bash BBC here. I’ve had my run ins with them (they threatened to sue me over use of their name in an ad). Their business practices have been well documented and their lack of decent motorcycle design has been touched on. That’s why it surprises me to see them coming up with such a practical and well handling design, at least on paper it should handle well. From a purely motorcycling standpoint it looks to be a solid design, again, I’m as shocked as anyone. Time will tell if they find an audience for this model and/or if they survive the test of time in the motorcyle industry.

  88. 88 big tonys chopp shop Mar 6th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    i think itis unanimus, nobody cares for these crooks, they screwed people and are trying to come back with a sensible bike. it would be a crime to stand behind anything they do. Cyril i know you asked us not to comment on the past, but there is no way to run from the 6.5 million mistakes they made. only today can people get away with this kinda thing. boy, they have some huavos to do this. I will stand with others to boycot the new big bear and anything they sell.

  89. 89 666 Mar 6th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Big Tony says it all……How about a new BBC bumper sticker “SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL THIEVES”

  90. 90 Lugnut Mar 6th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    It would appear that we are all against second chances. Well, at least until we need one. Then, oddly, they don;t appear to be such a bad thing.

    Most folks at some point need one. I suspect that everyone commenting on this page has in fact used more than a few one more second chances.

    We all say we want justice. What we really want and need is mercy.

  91. 91 Woody Mar 6th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    I would say that Cyril did the right thing by reporting news like this, it’s what he does. It’s up to the readers to decide if it’s a warning or an advertisement. I think Lightnin’Larry summed it up well, and I’ve always believed in the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. A lot of people got hurt, and continue to hurt. To re-use the Big Bear Choppers name without making past victims whole is to invite any and all negative comments by itself. On top of that, to hire the former pricipal operators of that business is going to be salt in the wounds of past victims. To use a penny of down payment from one customer to fulfill another is against the law, so I can see why those hurt are upset to be reading this story. I have no dog in this, but it turns my stomach to see victims turned on at preached at as if they did something wrong by speaking out in hurt and anger. On top of that, I wish Cyril would stop printing comment from those who hide in shadows. Popular opinion or not, folks should have the balls to stand up in the Sun and speak their mind openly.

  92. 92 pokergolf420 Mar 6th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    No, Lugnut I’m not against second chances. It’s just that some people don’t deserve a second chance. When you put bikes on the road with defective frames (fact), and then publicly blame and slander the first victim (fact), that is only still alive by the grace of god and some quick thinking, you don’t. And on top of that to take deposits on bikes you have no intention of building (fact), you deserve nothing short of a prison cell. Does Manson deserve a second chance? There’s a picture from V-Twin magazine where fatboy Kevin is giving the world the finger with both hands with a smirk on his face. This POS deserves no second chance. Neither does anyone doing business with them. That picture alone speaks volumes about what he thinks of his customers.

  93. 93 Doug Mar 6th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Sure everyone deserves a 2nd chance, but much of that 2nd chance (in cases like the previous BBC company) must start with those customers who never received what they paid for or refunded to make the first step right for them and for the new BBC.

    The dialogue would be much different if that would have happened. That better 1st step combined with the above bike would be a good start. (Minus the absurd claims of handling better than a sportbike). Sure it may handle relatively well, but he sounds foolish based on that claim alone

  94. 94 dentalasa Mar 6th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Looks like a sons of anarchey spin off useing televison to get to the trenders ( side walk comandos ) if you will they watch a show and want one like it then next year its something else . It most likley a nice ride though ??

  95. 95 pokergolf420 Mar 6th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Agreed Doug, but that will never happen. Until they pay back the people they stole from and fix the bikes that still have faulty frames, they are a pariah on the industry.

  96. 96 alley cat Mar 7th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Been around racing for several decades. This man is so full of BS !

  97. 97 my2cents Mar 7th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Hopefully the people at Daytona will walk right past the bbc spot in Daytona, sometimes less is more. I believe most people in the states know what thieves they are and won’t do business with them.
    The FXR is a great handling m/c built by Harley, but really a 700 lb bbc with two different size tires verses a 400lb sport bike with a nice set of 17’s really kevin,really. your dumb ass still sucks buttermilk

  98. 98 my2cents Mar 7th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    my bad, I meant wheels not tires.

  99. 99 barney fife Mar 7th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Could care less what the bike looks like….if you think I’d buy a bike from these guys you’re dreaming…..

  100. 100 Shawn Mar 7th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Ummm…. No. Big Bear Choppers went from making gorgeous bikes to that hideous creation. Nope. Maybe it handles amazingly….. But it looks like some generic version of a 70’s japanese bike.

  101. 101 Patrick Jansen Mar 7th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Cool bike. I’m excited to see it in person tomorrow!

  102. 102 Bigalyts Mar 9th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Wow,that bike is totally Awesome. what a great looking Bike. I wonder how much? Good Luck with the new Line, new Build and New Visions.

  103. 103 BC Mar 10th, 2013 at 12:39 am

    Be interested to know, are they going to make their own new FXR frames? Anyone know?

  104. 104 Bigwoody Mar 10th, 2013 at 2:05 am

    Don’t “turn” clients friends or anyone. Key to survival.
    Lifes too good to do misdeeds and somehow reorganize and be back in businees
    in two years.
    Co-signed for a stepdaughter to lease a new vehicle. She defaulted, i paid off lease and my credit was ruined for seven years.
    Lesson learned: DTA

  105. 105 ChopperJohn Mar 12th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    I couldn’t believe it when I saw the big BBC trailer at Daytona Bikeweek. Back in business that quick. I see that the new owner is an Auzzie also. I presume the Alsops were buds with him…Just hopin they don’t repeat what happened before…


  106. 106 alain Mar 16th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    just one FXRP Harley did them in the late 80’s and they was good bikes but very hard to sell

    and nay way all big bear bikes are just good to go to the junk yard

  107. 107 MMAVago Mar 31st, 2013 at 7:11 am

    Being in one of big three outlaw MC’s in California, I doubt they would have gotten away with my deposit. VFFV

  108. 108 MMAVago Mar 31st, 2013 at 7:21 am

    By the way @big Tony’s chopp shop, I think that is very nobile of you to want to take care of customers the weren’t from BBC. If I’m in the market ever for a chopper. I’ll look you up. Being in a motorcycle club the FXRP and FXDX with fairings or Tsports have been our choice because a lot of times we have to be somewhere quick, something happened and we have to leave, hopping curves and center dividers, or run ins on the freeways. Are bikes are more of a tool for us then something we show off. That’s why you’ll see our bikes generally are worn or scratched up. This is a bad @SS bike, but I would build it myself and avoid the 42K price point.

  109. 109 Steve May 23rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Just heard about a new reality show “wives of chopper gods” with Mona Alsup and chopper doll…since when is Kevin Alsup a “Chopper God”?

  110. 110 Mark May 28th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Carbon fiber parts? Ha! Who would be dumb enough to fork out money for a carbon fiber fender when they can get a plastic front fender with a carbon fiber print? and for hell of a lot cheaper? Who’s dumb enough to put carbon fiber on a Harley? If someone pulled up next to me with that shit on their bike i’d probably kick their ass. That’s the stupidest idea someone can come up with. I hope someone will reply to my comment, other than Mr.Alsop or someone that he makes up because who wants that on their bike? It’s expensive and looks dumb. I bet they haven’t sold one carbon fiber part yet. So i hear that Big Bear Choppers moved down the hill, think that works out perfectly since the company as a whole has “gone down hill”. Think you should have cut your losses when the company went bankrupt. Any who, have a good day.

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  112. 112 Gary Jun 18th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    i like the air scoop side covers, to me they look cool, saw the price tag for them on their website 550+ not cool. carbon fiber i agree a total waste on this. i work in aerospace and we use carbon fiber building spacecraft parts. i could get a vendor to knock off a set of covers for less than he is asking for his covers usinf exotic aerospace spec carbon fiber material not just off the shelf cheap commercial crap! why the heck did he not go with the later dresser trans/oil tank to lower the cg if he is out for the great handling fxr? i did a simple offset/relocation of the original kickstand bracket to make it all work. since he is making his own knock off frame it should have been a piece of cake for him to do that . no bagger trans? then just use the later model fxr oil tank which takes the oil lines along the primary side not stuffing them all along the back and through the swing arm so they chafe/wear out and leak along with the ugly wiring harness just like my stock 88 fxr and it looks like shit especially on a 30k bike! i expect a bit better attention to detail than the same ugly ass look i got on my production factory fxr. i can go out and buy everything he has on that bike for allot less, allot less no great shakes here at all. the fxr swing arms are notorious for cracking and flexing so here again a stock like swing arm and this is a handling bike? i put a buell s3 front end and rear wheel on my fxr and i bet it will performs as well if not better than his titanium, and for a fraction of the price, oh and i made my own triple clamps and wider swing arm. the bike in its overall trim looks cool besides the fairing being bulky and the dorky mile high risers which make it anything but a handling bike. learning about this bike the and prospect of parts on it being for sale i looked further, reading the posts here and seeing these people are scumbags who ripped people off and left other out to dry maybe i will market some covers like theirs but non-carbon fiber. these people need to be in jail not marketing products and a new bike line.

  113. 113 Chopper boy Jul 5th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    I can’t belive they are asking for the public to trust them. I personally know a guy that worked at BBC and he got screwed. AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED, NO THANKS! GO TO A BIKE BUILDER THAT DIDN’T GET GREEDY AND WEATHERED THE STORM.

  114. 114 Kirk Perry Jul 6th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    “and a soon to be annouced line of custom parts for Harley-Davidson Sportster.”

    Sportster’s are a motorcycle that you can ride. 1200cc is not the Knuckle & Pan 1200cc.

    It’s a very good idea to make Sportster parts accessories. If more people test-rode them before they bought a Big Twin, they wouldn’t.

  115. 115 James Crawford Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Nice looking bike, however I can’t afford a Bike because I am paying for a 2011 Bare Bones Chopper that I don’t have. If they are truly sorry they will make things right with people like me, and it would bring there image back like they are making things right!

  116. 116 James Crawford Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    And just so everyone knows I lost $21,000 total all I have is a $355 per month Payment and a worthless Title to my Bare Bones Chopper that probably Chris Angel got.

  117. 117 James Crawford Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    This email was from Simon Scott

    understand your frustration.

    Just to let you know, I lost over a quarter of a million dollars to Big Bear American made Choppers dude! most of my savings gone! The only way I could get it back was to go in deeper and buy some of the the liquidated assets of Big Bear and try to manufacture bikes myself.

    I have a young family, 2 boys, and it was about their future James. Maybe that helps you understand why I have done what I have done, I couldn’t just walk away and lose money like that.

    I am sorry that you lost money along with a lot of other people including myself, there are definitely no winners when a company goes bankrupt, it’s really bad all round.

    All I am trying to do is put things back on track for a business that I was trying to get off the ground for my family’s future and this is my way of doing it.

    Best Regards


  118. 118 James Jul 8th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    what is really funny or sick, I paid $21,000 for a Bare Bones ready to Ride (that I don’t Have) and promised many upgrades ie..powder coated wheels and etc… because it was taking sooooo long, now they expect people to buy the same bikes from them and they doubled the price, and they have their rep of ripping and screwing everyone out of money. INSANE if anyone buys a bike from them or Simon Scott, they are all crooks.

  119. 119 James Jul 10th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    How about everyone that Kevin and Mona Alsop stole money from make negative comments on all there new and old You Tube Videos, they blocked me after a few days but I got other people on facebook starting too. http://www.youtube.com/user/bigbearchoppers0

  120. 120 James Jul 10th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    for you guys that had problems with faulty welds someone on facebook asked Kevin about his welds and this was his response….lol….. Big Bear Choppers Hi Comm out. Good question as you may know BBC had a frame recall back in 2008 it became the companies first priority to recognize it short comings for the recall and the root causes.The new company Ragehard has adopted a very strict set of procedures the bottom line is the welding procedure had not been followed by a certain individual at BBC in 2004-05 . I can assure you AWS Standards and procedures are being followed as well as ASME the code you asked about is D17.1 the actual welding procedures are well documented and are displayed in each welding section including heat ranges our welders are AWS certified for the materials we use. By a CWI. Different thickness and different materials all require different certifications . Besides doing stress analysis in Inventor Auto cad, there is no testing like real world testing we stated out with a frame well proven frame the Harley Davidson FXR frame, How I set out to do this was by first dissecting a Harley Davidson FXR frame to see exactly how it was constructed, measuring wall thickness type of materials used what we found was 1018 mild steel and DOM tubing .120 wall lower rails, back bone square tubing .120 we are using .156 wall, a little heavier in the back bone, the key to the strength and stiffness in this frame is in the gusseting this is why we are putting the gusseting in exactly the same places Harley did were using a heavier plates for gusseting we are using 3/16 Harley used 12 gauge witch is less than 1/8 the reason is they formed pressed these plates , but the way they made this frame was very labor intensive hence why they discontinued it. But I feel it is worth it because it is that good. I hope this answers your questions.

  121. 121 Katrin Crawford Jul 10th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Funny how my Kevin and Mona Alsop blocks and delete any comment to them on FB or there You Tube videos, this is what I put on there new video and many more, my husband posted a comment on every you tube clip that had anything to do with Big Bear Choppers and these crooks.

    I’m James Crawford’s wife, How can you people still live, knowing you screwed up so many peoples lives, taking their and our money and they never got their bikes. How can you do that. We have total 5 kids and we are paying monthly for something we never got. How about you Mona, as a mother, how can you do this to families. I try everything to make this public how you screwed people and I’m sure you will again. I hope you all get what you deserve in the end!!

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