S&S 50th Anniversary Celebration. And The Winners Are…(Part 2)

From left to right. Nicolas Chauvin from Nicolas Chauvin Design (France), Bertrand Dubet from Odyssey Motorcycles (France), Keiji Kawakta from Hot-Dock Custom Cycles (Japan), Freddy Krugger from Krugger Motorcycles Company (Belgium)


44 Responses to “S&S 50th Anniversary Celebration. And The Winners Are…(Part 2)”

  1. 1 Mike Rich Jul 1st, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Viva Europa and Japan. S&S efforts to export engines on these continents.

  2. 2 Gar Jul 1st, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Good job guys! Now go home and help S&S get ready for their move to Tokyo or Berlin or where ever the hell they are moving as long as it is out of the USA. Way to suck up Brett! Does anyone have the phone number to TP Engineering?

  3. 3 Dennis J Jul 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Are you guys for real?

  4. 4 Gar Jul 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Serious as a heart attack!

  5. 5 bertrand Jul 1st, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    the vote was made by the builders themselves. Either forty-five American and five foreigners.Think about it ..

  6. 6 Gar Jul 1st, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    In actually counting the builders I find there are 35 American Builders (not 45 as you indicated) and 15 Foreign Builders. Slight miscount on your part – you muct have been counting in French! Sorry Cyril, we all know you can count in English.

  7. 7 James Jul 2nd, 2008 at 5:08 am

    why’s everybody gotta go racist!?

  8. 8 Marilyn Stemp Jul 2nd, 2008 at 8:26 am

    The S&S 50th wasn’t a bike show – it was a celebration of a company and a man – George Smith – who essentially started the H-D performance aftermarket. The 50 bike build was only part of the celebration and the attitude of 99% of the people there including vendors, industry people, motojournalists, regular riders, and, amazingly, the builders themselves, was one of respect. The builders were invited to participate, and chose to attend or not. No one was required to buy an engine or coerced to take part. Those who did participate bought their engines (the class winners were reimbursed for the cost) but all of the builders knew they would share in the PR factor of being aligned with a high profile event like this. Bike builders are also business people and like S&S they made a decision to promote themselves. Nothing wrong with that, especially in today’s economy. Yes, S&S is getting some free press, but why not? If IronWorks turned 50 I’d have a big celebration, too. The prominence of S&S in the performance segment was earned with hard work and quality products that were proven on the salt flats by guys like Leo Payne, Warner Riley, and Dan Kinsey – the celebration is well deserved.
    As for the bikes, I’m no expert but the Hot Dock winner had more innovation in its gas cap than I’ve seen in entire finished bikes called class winners at other shows. The foreign bikes showed a level of concept and execution that was astounding. That said, to look at the bikes from outside the U.S. and come away with any other conclusion only showed the ignorance of the viewer. But there were some American entries that were standouts, too. The Dougz bagger took the People’s Choice award plus second in the X-Wedge category. It showed American ingenuity at its best.
    The S&S 50th was a great event and a welcome respite from the gloomy attitude in the industry these days. What’s the point of putting it down?

  9. 9 saorijohn Jul 2nd, 2008 at 8:29 am

    I admire your patriotism but not the way you are going about it.

    If Triumph had done the same with one of their engines we Brits wouldn’t have spat the dummy if a non-Brit had won.

    It was an online vote. If the builders couldn’t be bothered to put pictures of their bikes on how do they expect someone to vote for it.

    This was a competition to build an S&S engined bike. If they only wanted an American to win it then it should have been closed to the rest of the talented builders of the world.

  10. 10 Mike Jul 2nd, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Marilyn and Saorijohn…. Great replies. I am completely embarrased that some of my countrymen are idiots.

  11. 11 a 1 cycles Jul 2nd, 2008 at 9:12 am

    its funny,,,marilyns comment about the gas cap, i competed in the amd world championship last year at sturgis and hot dock was also present..their entrys gas cap was better than my whole bike..his innovation with 4 valve heads and home made parts was incredible. just an example, his throttle was a ring and pinion gear internally inside of the right bar and it had an exposed wheel outside of the bar wich pulled a cable with no sleeve, all pulleys and guides to his twin throttle bodied e.f.i. sick sick sick.. it made me rethink competeing. the problem with most shops is that we must work to turn a profit and the creativity of building a world class custom takes so much time and resources..but these builders from over seas seem to have the time and resources to get it done. amazing bikes from fertile minds..this string of comments has been kind of narrow minded, just thought i would put a builders opinion in.

  12. 12 Gar Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Racist??? You can’t be serious. Racist is the word that is thrown on the table when no better argument can be thought of. Racist, get real.

    Patriotism is the proper word. S&S was founded in the USA, the vast majority of their sales are based in the USA, the growth of the AMERICAN Motorcycle industry is what has made S&S what they are today. Therefore, in my humble opinion, S&S screwed the pooch by not having only American Builders participate in the Build Off. Further, in my humble opinion, this was just a marketing ploy that just happened to coincide with the 50th Birthday of S&S. I am sure several “At-a-Boys” have been directed toward Howard Kelly, as well they should be.

    I understand that S&S, as well as many other companies, must seek sales outside of the United States in todays world market place, and I have no problem with that. I just believe that some things need to remain American. If S&S wanted to have a World Biker Build Off and invite these same builders and all 7 awards were to go to “foreign” builders I would have no problem with that.

    I am sure the winners deserved the awards given them and I extend my congratulations to those builders. I am just saying that S&S has their heads up their collective butts pulling this stunt.

  13. 13 Doc Robinson Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Marilyn Stemp nailed it 100% and a 1 Cycles brought in a builder’s opinion. Hope this widens those narrow minds out there, even just a touch.

  14. 14 Jeff Nicklus Jul 2nd, 2008 at 11:15 am

    O.K. ….. everyone take a deep breath and count to 10!

    While I agree all should and do have their own opinions as to what has transpired at S&S I likewise believe everyone has missed the bigger picture.

    The real winner of the “Build-Off” was not some guy from Japan or Germany or the Moon …. each of us wins, we the worldwide motorcycle indusrty and we the motorcycle enthusaist won. Whether you personally like the design of the winning bike or the homeland of the winner is a moot point. The fact of the matter is we as a people are free to have a friendly competition and free to participate in this exchange of ideas called a “blog” and as such we should grateful …. period.

    In looking at the winning bike I have to admit this style of bike is not something that appeals to me personally … but then again I am not crazy for the “Bobber” styling as a whole. That is what we built in the 60s & 70s, but that is just my opinion. I suppose that is why we build Ford’s and Chevy’s! Whatever the case I respect the winners, as well as each builder who participated in the contest. I know that building a show bike is extremely expensive and time consuming and all of these guys, again in my opinion, are winners.

    As most know, many of the participants of this contest are personal friends of mine as well as my fellow builders. while I would have liked to have seen one of these guys win, hey that’s life. If the likes of Arlen Ness, Jerry Covington, Rick Fairless etc. etc. say this bike won then by God that is good enough for me, in fact it should be good enough for all of us!

    OK, nuf said …. lets get back to work and build a bike or two!

    Jeff Nicklus
    Desperado Motorcycles

  15. 15 RoadSter Jul 2nd, 2008 at 11:21 am

    I never posted anything on this blog but I have been reading the comments and decided to go forward and answer. Marilyn is kind of right. This celebration was about the brand and it’s nornal they push their stuff. The judging of the “bikeshow’ was from industry people and the public. Some of the votes online were obviously difficult becuase you couldn’t see all bikes which is weird because you would assume all those builders and S&S have seen the bikes way in advance. They had plenty of time to post them. And even today, they are not on their sites and Cyril was the first to give the results of the bike show. Weird. Anyway, the vote was probably a little fake but which bike show judging is not influenced by politics, and sponsors these days?

    The Hot Dock bike has a lot of details. it’s a typical Japanese style which does not necessarly reflect the American style. Personally, I don’t like it but you have to give it to the guy… tones of stuff on it. The 2 Frenchies and Kodlin are also great. If you guys don’t know Kodlin’s stuff, go on his site and you will see what he is doing. It’s not like some of our “bike builders” that slap different accessories and a different paint job on their bikes and call them one-of customs.

    One thing that S&S has to do to survive in our indutry is to find markets overseas. If you look at their sales in the US, they are in the pooper. They lost contracts with AIH, Big Dog and others that went out of business or are so hurt these days that sales had to come from another source. Is there a corellation between the results of the bike show and their wish to find new customers overseas? ABSOLUTELY! That’s just business. This is how Custom Chrome “survived” (with CCI Europe) and this is how Drag Specialties intented to make up for lost sales in the US. So you’ll see a lot more Frenchies winning Bike Shows, a lot more foreign dealers invited to US events and a lot more S&S logos in European and Japanese dealerships. Again, we’re talking business decisions in an industry that is getting harder everyday.

    When I disagree with Marylin is on the fact that builders were “invited’ and had a choice to attend or not. They HAD to attend by contract and were instructed by S&S to do so or they would be in trouble. This company is really weird and have ways to didctate a few things to his dealers from pricing to training or attending an event like the 50th Anniversary. They are far from dealer friendly but they are in a position today to impose a few things and they do it everyday. I know 4 builders at this event that were supposed to attend other venues last weekend (from Open Houses to charity events) that had to decline at the last minute because they were obligated to be in Lacrosse.

    I was at this event and enjoyed it. Certainly a success for S&S. No matter what happened and who won what, this was all about the brand. I have looked at all the bikes and really, some of the US builders didn’t seem like they put too much effort in their creations. I wish one of them got the grand prize but hey… if you are from this industry you should know how much politics is playing a role in any decision that are made from making a product successful to deciding who will win a bike show.

  16. 16 Gar Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    JEEEZZZZZ Jeff, Smack down or what?

  17. 17 Wolfe Jul 2nd, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Wow, lots of smart writing and thoughts. Thing is no one gets it, why? I don’t know. GAR, Man get out of the house or where ever it is you dwell. Marilyn has great thoughts and so does Nicklus. But in a nut shell. It’s S&S’s party, their house their rules. Why cry about the out come. If someone didn’t want to do it then don’t sign the contract. I’m sure their was no kidnapping and no guns held to anyone’s head. Everyone had the same amount of time and extra if asked for it. Some even had the grace of not having to ride their bike the required distance. A further more, there are more palaces and people than this messed up country of the U.S.A. Fact!

  18. 18 Gar Jul 2nd, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Why don’t you pack your crap and go live there then numb nuts!

  19. 19 Chris Callen - Source Editor Jul 2nd, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Just have to add my two cents.

    Maybe I am idealistic but what I saw at the S&S 50th was a wonderful cross section of what the custom motorcycle industry is today. Now it is NOT something that we as Americans own exclusive rights to and yes there were many bikes, some winners and some that were not that I may have personally liked or disliked but the truth is that every segment of our culture was represented at this show. From the traditional old school style of Donny Loos and Paul Cox to the next generation twist that Church Of Choppers and Chopper Dave put in to the flamboyant style of three generations of the Ness family brought to the table. There were Swedish style choppers, custom baggers, some of the most highly engineered bikes that have ever been constructed and race inspired bikes from around the world AND in the USA. And let’s not forget that every first place class winner got their engine money back and the overall winner got a huge $50,000 product voucher. What is it then that they profited from the event?

    All of this, in my eyes was done in an attempt to pay tribute to a company that pioneered the after market industry, and they deserve their moment of reflection. Proof of that was evident in every segment. Chris Chrome’s bike featured a quote hand painted on the rear fender that stated “I want to make every bike faster” – George Smith Bennett’s bike was a replica of the Tramp III Bonneville bike and Charlie from S&S duplicated the original Tramp. Throughout the entire show you could see traces of where this company had been in its 50 years and even a glimpse into their future.

    All politics and patriotisms aside, my hats off to S&S for how they brought this all together in the name of what we do. Think for a moment and tell me what other event even comes close to gathering EVERY segment of the American Motorcycle scene in one place at one time for one show.

    Great job, and fantastic bikes. See you guys again at 100!

  20. 20 RoadSter Jul 2nd, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    I still think Cory’s bike was the nicest bike at this show,

  21. 21 Cyril Huze Jul 2nd, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    To Chris callen. Chris, you are lucky because me I am pretty sure I will not be able to make it to the S&S 100th celebration.

  22. 22 Conrad Nicklus Jul 2nd, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    I love this blog

    GAR YOU ROCK. You have the straight up Desperado attitude and are a dam* good customer for Desperado and Jeff Nicklus to have. I was just on the phone with my dad reading your responses and I have got to tell you, you sir know how to stir some stuff up.

    This blog makes me laugh and smile all while pissing me off. I love it.


  23. 23 Troy Jul 2nd, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    The S&S 100th celebration, now here’s a true optimist, I’m with you Cyril.

  24. 24 krugger Jul 2nd, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Cory’s bike was my favourite too, and i won the P-series(Panhead engine)Cory is second…. Always difficult to guess wich will win!! That’s a question of taste, innovation,work’s quality, very subjective !

    Hot Dock bike is amazing ,you need a technical sheet to open the gas cap!!! Cast 4 valves rocker box are beautifu and more ,and more…..l!

    Too much incredible idea in one bike for my taste,i prefer something more smoth,more simple.But when i give my vote ,i try always to do abstraction of my taste!!

    For the engineering,the quality of work ,the détails, he deserves this price,he has been really the best builder on this event !!!

    In french language ,we say : “La critique est aisée mais l’art est difficile…”, i try to translate(Cyrill will be better than me…:-) ” critical is easy but artwork is difficult…..

    Fred KRUGGER

  25. 25 Jeff Nicklus Jul 2nd, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Gar, You need to get back on your medication now! Jeff

  26. 26 Kiwi Mike Tomas Jul 2nd, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    I was an immigrant till 9am this morning and since I have now passed my citizenship test I can now reply as a US citizen.
    Marilyn, Chris, A1, etc said it so well before me.
    This was a celebration of S&S 50th anniversary which is a mile stone in this industry especially considering how many companies have come and gone over the years. We as builders were “INVITED” by S&S to build a bike for their 50th and to me I was honored to be given the opportunity to step up to the plate and build a classic styled retro American motorcycle (www.KiwiIndian.com). I like all the flavor of all bikes and the builders who come to show case and share their talents with us. I for one feel fortunate to be playing with these guys as we share a common bond which is building cool motorcycles. In retrospect a big problem with our bike industry in the past is that it has been closed minded and has not been open to outside influences hense some of the problems with our industry today building the same old stuff.
    S&S did an absolutely remarkable job at putting on this event and I am not alone when I say that many of us were honored to be associated with it.
    The bike we built utilized their new X-wedge engine and all this new fang dangle electronic stuff and fuel injection was quite a departure for us from our normal builds however every single person at S&S who had their hand in the development of this engine made themselves completely available to me to the point of being able to call them at their homes at midnight their time just so as I could keep blasting along. These guys are extremely dedicated and raise the bar for all of us builders.
    Foreigners are what built this country and will continue to influence and drive some of us to perfection.
    In closing one has to hope that our fellow Americans are shown the same respect when they travel or compete on foreign soil that we showed them when they competed here on our soil. We should show the same respect to those who come to our home. Open the door and enjoy. Thank you to S&S, Howard, James, Scott, Niven, Brett, etc for believing in me and making the American dream come true.

  27. 27 Kiwi Mike Tomas Jul 2nd, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Keep in mind that S&S had nothing to do with the judging at all.
    The judging was done by the builders, media, online, and spectators.
    Very fair to say the least.

  28. 28 Conrad Nicklus Jul 2nd, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Mike Tomas,

    Let me ask you something. You said “hense some of the problems with our industry today building the same old stuff”. Well what do you consider your motorcycles? I have looked at your stuff, as well as everyone elses, since you came around. All I see in your bikes is the same stuff you used on the bikes before. This is called a “style”. Each builder has his own and in my opinion why fix something that aint broke? The problem with the industry is not that people build the same stuff, its that the economy is down and also everyday someone new comes in makes a quick buck and jets.

    Everytime my father lets me build a bike for me I do stuff differently. I dont use the same old out dated looking parts or anything that looks similiar to the bike before. (Excluding the motor/tranny ofcourse). I dont need to get old hot rod parts or trash can punch parts as I call them to add “flare” to my bike. I believe in a simple and clean look. Not some cluttered rusty look.

    Also, you say that you have become a US Citizen?? Thats awesome. I love it when I hear about people actually going through the process to do that instead of just being here illegally. I applaud you for hat sir.

    Now as for your “Foreigners are what built this country and will continue to influence and drive some of us to perfection” comment. I do not believe that is true. I believe that we , as Americans, have built our country into what it is. The reason we are here is because ourfour fathers wanted the best and did not want to be like Europe or any other country for that matter. We are Americans and foreigners do influence us. We have our own style, our own outlook and our own thoughts. Any country has the right to have the same as we have.

  29. 29 Conrad Nicklus Jul 2nd, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Again, Mike please do not take that bad in anyway. I am simply saying my opinion and mean absolutely no disrespect in any way. I have plenty of respect for you and all the builders out there but I feel that styles are a big part of this industry and wihtout the same old styles we would not have anything to look at for reference on a bike build.

  30. 30 RoadSter Jul 2nd, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Krugger, your bike was cool (as any othe other ones you’ve done). I am glad you won. We can’t ignore the infulence of foreign bike builders in our industry. I think S&S did a good job putting this event together and as usual, we can’t really please everybody. Votes are always a gray area (remember Florida guys…). I am sure S&S had not too much to do with it but knowing Brett Smith, I am sure he had something to say about who won and got second and Third The Kiwi bike was great too. I am glad S&S had you guys do somehting with their XWedge.
    No matter what everybody says, the event was great and it was nice to see so many ideas in an industry that can barely pay her bills today. Nice to see builders still have some crazy ideas and put them into exceptional projects.

    As for S&S 100th Anniversary,…. a little bit optimistic but who knows 🙂 I should be able to make it

  31. 31 RoadSter Jul 2nd, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Jeff @ Desperado, Sorry man, even if you are building some okay bikes that might be built differently everytime, you’re still far far away from guys like Krugger, Kodling or Chauvin. I would take a look at the XRod from that other guy in France (forgot his name), or bikes like the F-Rod or the some of the stuff that came out of overseas. And I am telling you this not even liking the Europeans in general. I am 100% american and I love to see us win pretty much everything but the quality of the foreign bikes at that show was over what was presented by the US builders.
    Putting a 21 rear wheel and a crazy paint job on a bike doesn’t make it an exceptional bike.
    Turning around an XWedge engine in a frame is a little more challenging.

    You’re right about flare and the same old shit being put on bikes and being called Custom Bikes.

    Let’s recognize what has been built no matter which country they come from. Thank God, Ben Laden’s son doesn’t have a custom bike shop in a cave somewhere and wasn’t invited by Smith to build a bilke for the 50th Anniversary 🙂

    Funny things though…. if you look at BikerDATA photo galleries, most of the bikes at this bike show ended up on a lift for an extended period of time for some problem (and looking at the pictures, almost look like that was an engine problem… too funny)

  32. 32 Jeff Nicklus Jul 2nd, 2008 at 4:38 pm


    I have no intentions of getting into a pissing match here so I won’t. Let me just say this, I believe you are confusing my “production customs” built by Desperado Motorcycles from my One-Off stuff built at Jeff Nicklus Customs ( http://www.jeffnickluscustoms.com ). Considering I was commissioned to build a bike for the leader of the free world “The President of the United States”, McDonalds, The NRA, The RNC and many others, I think I do OK without much help from overseas.

    Jeff Nicklus

    PS: Conrad, you don’t need to ring in on this!

  33. 33 RoadSter Jul 2nd, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    You build beautiful bikes Jeff, no doubt.

  34. 34 Jeff Nicklus Jul 2nd, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Thank you Sir!

  35. 35 rodent Jul 2nd, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    No matter what won. American, Jap Frog, they won using an American Motor ,Made in the United States….So America won

  36. 36 Stefy Jul 3rd, 2008 at 3:17 am

    “Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in his nation; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.” Arthur Schopenhauer

    Congrats to the winners especially to Bertrand, my favourite! Well done!!

  37. 37 bertrand Jul 3rd, 2008 at 5:49 am

    I am very surprised by the turn that take this discussion.
    S & S has offered to participate in their birthday and we were honored to have been chosen. We have done our best to be worthy of this choice.
    I think S & S has nothing to do with the vote, I myself voted for Hot Dock & Cook Custom. We must stop this controversy, the only winner is our passion : the motorcycles kustomising ! ! !

  38. 38 Jeff Nicklus Jul 3rd, 2008 at 11:10 am


    I quote from a biography of Arthur Schopenhauer:

    “Schopenhauer did not believe that people had individual wills but were rather simply part of a vast and single will that pervades the universe: that the feeling of separateness that each of has is but an illusion. The problem with Schopenhauer, is that, in his view, “the cosmic will is wicked … and the source of all endless suffering.”

    Sounds like someone I would like to quote ….. NOT!

  39. 39 JT Jul 3rd, 2008 at 11:58 am

    I attended the S&S show with much enthusiasm & I was not disappointed. Many people did not agree with the Hot Dock winner. Let me tell you it was an unbelievable feat of engineering & a fantastic motorcycle. Having said that, I did not think it was the best bike in the show. While it’s true that the gas cap was an engineering marvel, it was still a gas cap. Why over engineer a gas cap, because you can? In my opinion the bike lacked class. Don’t get me wrong, I truely enjoyed looking at every inch of the bike, but it didn’t have any style to it. I think that style & class gets lost in the new age of motorcycle building. Cory Ness had a fantastic bike & it had Class. The paint was fantastic & it just added to the concept of the bike. Donnie Smith also built a really special motorcycle that was flawless & loaded with curb appeal. I think todays builders need to not only concetrate on the engineering but also on the finished look, ya know, STYLE & CLASS. S&S put on a first class show & they had nothing to do with the selection of the winners.

  40. 40 Troy Jul 3rd, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    What started out as an S&S ass-kissing session has turned to patriotism, pissing contests and hard feelings across the waters, good blog. Wait till the people across the waters have to pay shipping and duty fees, that $50,000.00 worth of coupons will buy about 2 engines. Unless of course they plan on shipping them straight from China. The price that S&S gets for their engines is absurd and the market won’t hold it here in the states for long, we have already been approached by a well known builder to design a V-twin engine that can be produced in China. We can do that but refused because the money wasn’t right but sooner or later it will happen. I wasn’t at the show so I have no comment on the winners, but don’t think for a minute that there wasn’t an agenda of some sort that was happening behind closed doors. I only use S&S engines by special request, I prefer the Ultima engines. If you give the Ultima engine plenty of air, short straight through pipes and fat jets, it will out-perform the equivilant S&S engine, hands down for horsepower and torque and costs a couple of grand less. Most countries across the waters will not allow these conditions so the S&S engine will suit them fine.

  41. 41 DJ CHOPPER GOD Jul 4th, 2008 at 5:36 am

    Church of Choppers had a bad devil Watson but they were all Kool. So…C.F.L. Viva S&S!!!

  42. 42 DJ CHOPPER GOD Jul 4th, 2008 at 5:38 am

    p.s. Chica and Chopper Dave brought the real too. Hey it’s all good in the hood.

  43. 43 Kevin "TEACH" Baas Jul 7th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    I really enjoyed the whole weekend at the event. It was put on very nicely and if you have bikes and building in your soul it was the place to be to see things that leave a lasting impression as far as creative minds. S&S was kind enough to allow our high school chopper class bike to be on display at the event as well and all my students that came would come running to me with huge smiles and eyes wide open..with the “did ya see that” or “that is cool” it inspired them and myself and hopefully next years class project bike will have more cool creative ideas built into it because of what we saw. I told the kids don’t copy what you see but let it inspire you to think outside the box to come up with your own unique ideas and turn them into something that will benefit the bike build. It is unfortunate that people try and take a good thing and tear it down and bad mouth it, the world has too much of hate and war we need to focus on the good things and be happy we live in a free world where we can build bikes like we do. With seeing how much S&S has helped my small public school chopper class over the last 5 years I say long live S&S I do believe that they actually care about their products and want to help keep the bike building innovative and be on top of their game. Thanks again to Brett Smith, James Simonelli, Howard Kelly, Marilyn Stemph, Chris Callen and all the others who work to keep the motorcycle world alive and strong.

  44. 44 raycwheeler Jul 7th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    S & S , LaCrosse and all involved in making this once in a life time event happen ..

    ……………………………THANKS A MILLION…………………………


    WTF ?

    RAY C WHEELER …….. planet earth ….

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