Congress Bill To Close Public Land To Off-Road Motorcycles

offroadridingOn March 25, Congress just voted a bill to close more than 2 million acres of public land nationwide to off-highway motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles. “The measure unreasonably bans motorized recreation on 2.1 million acres of public lands by inappropriately designating it as Wilderness,” said AMA/ATVA Vice President for Government Relations Ed Moreland. “This is a sad day not only for responsible motorized recreation but also for a democratic process that is supposed to welcome public input and the opportunity for congressional review”.

Under the bill, areas where motorized vehicles won’t be allowed include parts of the Monogahela National Forest in West Virginia; Jefferson National Forest in Virginia; Mount Hood, Badlands, Spring Basin and Copper Salmon areas in Oregon; Sabinoso in New Mexico; Riverside County in California; and Washington County in Utah. The measure, which now goes to President Obama to be signed into law, consists of a daunting collection of more than 160 pieces of legislation and more than 1,300 pages of text (via AMA).

46 Responses to “Congress Bill To Close Public Land To Off-Road Motorcycles”

  1. 1 Obamabot Apr 22nd, 2009 at 12:41 am

    CHANGE is coming!

  2. 2 Scott Apr 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 am

    Change??? Everyone needs to get involved as the powers in Washington try to slam as much regulation in place before the next elections.

    the only way to have a voice is to use it

  3. 3 Cade Apr 22nd, 2009 at 7:11 am

    Ya’ll voted for change. You know who you are.

  4. 4 Mike Kiwi Tomas, Kiwi Indian M/C Co Apr 22nd, 2009 at 8:29 am

    “Our” government working for “us”, the “people”.
    I don’t think so!

  5. 5 ROB Apr 22nd, 2009 at 8:31 am

    Cade you hit it on the head 6 months ago all we were hearing is change is good. Dont go conservative it will be the same old stuff.
    Well the new change isn’t working now people are still losing jobs losing homes and cars and even more work is going overseas….

    Thanks to all the Media Brain Washed Drones we have sold our country and bowed to our enemies…

    Dont cry to me when you have to learn chinese as a national language……

  6. 6 Mitch Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:01 am

    Rob. Did you expect that Obama would repair in 3 months 8 years of destruction by the Bush/Cheney administration? Why don’t you give him 4 years, half the time you gave to the one and only President known all over the world as Mr Stupid.

  7. 7 ProMoto Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Four more years of bowing to terrorist, and bro handshaking the very man who profits from poisoning our country with drugs. In four more years will all be better of dead then buried in government taxes by that time.

    And with the lowest approval rating ever look who’s Mr. Stupid now.

  8. 8 John Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 am

    At least Bush knows how many states are in the USA & the function of the Joint Chiefs of Staff…unlike Mr. Teleprompter

    The fact is, President Bush in 2003 tried desperately to stop Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from metastasizing into the problem they have since become.

    Here’s the lead of a New York Times story on Sept. 11, 2003: “The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.”

    Bush tried to act. Who stopped him? Congress, especially Democrats with their deep financial and patronage ties to the two government-sponsored enterprises, Fannie and Freddie.

    “These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Rep. Barney Frank, then ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

    It’s pretty clear who was on the right side of that debate.

    As for presidential contender John McCain, just two years after Bush’s plan, McCain also called for badly needed reforms to prevent a crisis like the one we’re now in.

    “If Congress does not act,” McCain said in 2005, “American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole.”

    Sounds like McCain was spot on.

    But his warnings, too, were ignored by Congress.

    To hear today’s Democrats, you’d think all this started in the last couple years. But the crisis began much earlier. The Carter-era Community Reinvestment Act forced banks to lend to uncreditworthy borrowers, mostly in minority areas.

    Age-old standards of banking prudence got thrown out the window. In their place came harsh new regulations requiring banks not only to lend to uncreditworthy borrowers, but to do so on the basis of race.

    These well-intended rules were supercharged in the early 1990s by President Clinton. Despite warnings from GOP members of Congress in 1992, Clinton pushed extensive changes to the rules requiring lenders to make questionable loans.

    Lenders who refused would find themselves castigated publicly as racists. As noted this week in an IBD editorial, no fewer than four federal bank regulators scrutinized financial firms’ books to make sure they were in compliance.

    Failure to comply meant your bank might not be allowed to expand lending, add new branches or merge with other companies. Banks were given a so-called “CRA rating” that graded how diverse their lending portfolio was.

    It was economic hardball.

    “We have to use every means at our disposal to end discrimination and to end it as quickly as possible,” Clinton’s comptroller of the currency, Eugene Ludwig, told the Senate Banking Committee in 1993.

    And they meant it.

    In the name of diversity, banks began making huge numbers of loans that they previously would not have. They opened branches in poor areas to lift their CRA ratings.

    Meanwhile, Congress gave Fannie and Freddie the go-ahead to finance it all by buying loans from banks, then repackaging and securitizing them for resale on the open market.

    That’s how the contagion began.

    With those changes, the subprime market took off. From a mere $35 billion in loans in 1994, it soared to $1 trillion by 2008.

    Wall Street eagerly sold the new mortgage-backed securities. Not only were they pooled investments, mixing good and bad, but they were backed with the implicit guarantee of government.

    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac grew to become monsters, accounting for nearly half of all U.S. mortgage loans. At the time of their bailouts this month, they held $5.4 trillion in loans on their books. About $1.4 trillion of those were subprime.

    As they grew, Fannie and Freddie grew heavily involved in “community development,” giving money to local housing rights groups and “empowering” the groups, such as ACORN, for whom Barack Obama once worked in Chicago.

    Warning signals were everywhere. Yet at every turn, Democrats in Congress halted attempts to stop the madness. It happened in 1992, again in 2000, in 2003 and in 2005. It may happen this year, too.

    Since 1989, Fannie and Freddie have spent an estimated $140 million on lobbying Washington. They contributed millions to politicians, mostly Democrats, including Senator Chris Dodd (No. 1 recipient) and Barack Obama (No. 3 recipient, despite only three years in office).

    The Clinton White House used Fannie and Freddie as a patronage job bank. Former executives and board members read like a who’s who of the Clinton-era Democratic Party, including Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick, Jim Johnson and current Rep. Rahm Emanuel.

    Collectively, they and others made well more than $100 million from Fannie and Freddie, whose books were cooked Enron-style during the late 1990s and early 2000s to ensure executives got their massive bonuses.

    They got the bonuses. You get the bill.

    One of the most frequently asked questions about the subprime market meltdown and housing crisis is: How did the government get so deeply involved in the housing market?

    The answer is: President Clinton wanted it that way.

    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, even into the early 1990s, weren’t the juggernauts they’d later be.

    While President Carter in 1977 signed the Community Reinvestment Act, which pushed Fannie and Freddie to aggressively lend to minority communities, it was Clinton who supercharged the process. After entering office in 1993, he extensively rewrote Fannie’s and Freddie’s rules.

    In so doing, he turned the two quasi-private, mortgage-funding firms into a semi-nationalized monopoly that dispensed cash to markets, made loans to large Democratic voting blocs and handed favors, jobs and money to political allies. This potent mix led inevitably to corruption and the Fannie-Freddie collapse.

    Despite warnings of trouble at Fannie and Freddie, in 1994 Clinton unveiled his National Homeownership Strategy, which broadened the CRA in ways Congress never intended.

    Addressing the National Association of Realtors that year, Clinton bluntly told the group that “more Americans should own their own homes.” He meant it.

    Clinton saw homeownership as a way to open the door for blacks and other minorities to enter the middle class.

    Though well-intended, the problem was that Congress was about to change hands, from the Democrats to the Republicans. Rather than submit legislation that the GOP-led Congress was almost sure to reject, Clinton ordered Robert Rubin’s Treasury Department to rewrite the rules in 1995.

    The rewrite, as City Journal noted back in 2000, “made getting a satisfactory CRA rating harder.” Banks were given strict new numerical quotas and measures for the level of “diversity” in their loan portfolios. Getting a good CRA rating was key for a bank that wanted to expand or merge with another.

    Loans started being made on the basis of race, and often little else.

    “Bank examiners would use federal home-loan data, broken down by neighborhood, income group and race, to rate banks on performance,” wrote Howard Husock, a scholar at the Manhattan Institute.

    But those rules weren’t enough.

    Clinton got the Department of Housing and Urban Development to double-team the issue. That would later prove disastrous.

    Clinton’s HUD secretary, Andrew Cuomo, “made a series of decisions between 1997 and 2001 that gave birth to the country’s current crisis,” the liberal Village Voice noted. Among those decisions were changes that let Fannie and Freddie get into subprime loan markets in a big way.

    Other rule changes gave Fannie and Freddie extraordinary leverage, allowing them to hold just 2.5% of capital to back their investments, vs. 10% for banks.

    Since they could borrow at lower rates than banks due to implicit government guarantees for their debt, the government-sponsored enterprises boomed.

    With incentives in place, banks poured billions of dollars of loans into poor communities, often “no doc” and “no income” loans that required no money down and no verification of income.

    By 2007, Fannie and Freddie owned or guaranteed nearly half of the $12 trillion U.S. mortgage market — a staggering exposure.

    Worse still was the cronyism.

    Fannie and Freddie became home to out-of-work politicians, mostly Clinton Democrats. An informal survey of their top officials shows a roughly 2-to-1 dominance of Democrats over Republicans.

    Then there were the campaign donations. From 1989 to 2008, some 384 politicians got their tip jars filled by Fannie and Freddie.

    Over that time, the two GSEs spent $200 million on lobbying and political activities. Their charitable foundations dropped millions more on think tanks and radical community groups.

    Did it work? Well, if measured by the goal of putting more poor people into homes, the answer would have to be yes.

    From 1995 to 2005, a Harvard study shows, minorities made up 49% of the 12.5 million new homeowners.

    The problem is that many of those loans have now gone bad, and minority homeownership rates are shrinking fast.

    Fannie and Freddie, with their massive loan portfolios stuffed with securitized mortgage-backed paper created from subprime loans, are a failed legacy of the Clinton era.

  9. 9 Mitch Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:07 am

    John. Instead of copying & pasting a propaganda edito, tell us why McCain stated last November that the US economy was in a very good shape!?! It seems to me that the Republcans were and still are disconnected from real life in America.

    ProMoto. Where did you see/read/hear that Obama was bowing to terrorists? In your republican imagination? If you think that ignoring your enemies is the way to go, you have no understanding of international diplomacy and politics. Bush made America the most hated country in the world. Good that Obama tries to change this. Why do you think all occidental countries with Republican leaders dislike us so much? Because of Bush. To ignore the rest of the world and to pretend that we don’t need other countries is exactly what Obama was talking about. Americans are very arrogant people. Cross the US borders and people will tell you over and over that they don’t understand how Americans accepted to go so low under the Chesney/Bush administration, both politically and economically. Obama tries to save your ass and you don’t know,

  10. 10 harry Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:28 am

    Umm, can you say, BULLSHIT? Will our beloved Congressman and Senators give us a reason for this? Will Pres. Obama be smart enough NOT to sign it? These are the questions I would be asking, but I can tell you that the answers would be Yes, No and No if anyone out there was wondering. yep, our good ole’ goverment is taking everything away from us at a breakneck pace and most Americans are ignorant of it. As I have said before, sometimes we deserve what we get.

  11. 11 Ted Apr 22nd, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    The majority of the comments above are fooling yourself. Both sides and Wall Street are to be held accountable…and maybe your neighbor(s) for living above their means.

    we did not deserve the bush years

    we did not deserve the blind “patriotism” that came with the fear mongering that started on Sept 12th, 2001

    Remember the attitude much of the country had leading up to the Iraq invasion? If you spoke your mind against that invasion, it was damn-near McCarthy-ism.

    So, speak your minds now, but don’t expect the damage from the bush years to be repaired in 3 months or even 4 years.

    Bitching about Spending? Talk about hypocritical. How many millions per DAY does the Iraq mess cost? Imagine if Bush didn’t invade Iraq and just a fraction of that money was spent at home…. Hussein would still be watching his western videos, Iraq would have drinking water, & we could focus on bin Laden (who?), Afghanistan, Iran, etc.

    So, don’t whine about spending since a lot of you did not speak up against the spending in Iraq.

    “Sounds like McCain was spot on.” Is that why he is on film contradicting himself by saying he was for and then later against regulation (or was it the other way around?)

    Is that why he “suspended his campaign” to rush to Washington and vote for bailouts?

  12. 12 Sam Apr 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Nice try Mitch, but the facts don’t support you.

    Even Bill Clinton admits Democrats were to blame.

    Alabama congressman Artur Davis issued a statement yesterday to “Hannity & Colmes,” in response to last night’s airing of clips from the 2004 Congressional oversight hearing of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    “Like a lot of my Democratic colleagues, I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I defended their efforts to encourage affordable homeownership, when in retrospect I should have heeded the concerns raised by their regulator in 2004. Frankly, I wish my Democratic colleagues would admit that when it comes to Fannie and Freddie, we were wrong.

    The root cause of our financial market meltdown is the housing foreclosure crisis, caused by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac giving bad loans to people who couldn’t afford them. The crash is now called the Housing Bubble bursting. Remember when Bill Clinton was President he had what was called then the Dot Com, or Technology Bubble burst, and that caused our markets to crash as well. Every time the democrats gain control of our government they crash our financial markets. Not only did Bill Clinton, a democrat, cause the Dot Com Bubble to burst, and cause a stock market crash, we can thank Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and the democratic majority congress, for the Housing Bubble that caused our current stock market crash that is rippling into global markets.

    The current market crash was set in motion when Jimmy Carter and the democratic majority Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act. The act actually gave INCENTIVES to low income borrowers to get home mortgages they couldn’t afford. In 1995 Bill Clinton revised the Community Reinvestment Act forcing banks to approve subprime mortgages even though it might result in defaulting on the loan, because borrowers couldn’t afford to keep up with the payments. The risk of defaulting on those loans was huge, but it was okay after Clinton’s revisions because he made it law that the government would back up the loans, like a co-signer. Banks then were FORCED to give out $1 Trillion in new SUBPRIME loans. Does that number sound familiar? It should. That is the exact amount being proposed to bailout the banks and financial markets today.

    Artur Davis admits the democrats were at fault. The republicans, especially John McCain, warned in 2004 that tax payers would be stuck with the bill if something wasn’t done to correct the accounting fraud, and bad loans stemming from the Community Reinvestment Act. Republicans also warned in 2004 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were at the center of the problem, and both agaencies were owned by the Federal government, so they had the power to stop the train before it crashed the stock market today. Democrats got angry, as seen the video above, and said there was no problem, so they blocked any effort to reform the lending practices, and now we have the stock market, and mortgage market crash that could cause another 1929 depression. The bailout will cost tax payers more than $4,000 each. Thank you democrat party for creating the worst financial disaster in our country’s history. To make things worse, Barack Obama says he’ll raise taxes if he is elected.

    Don’t forget, when those same low income home owners default on their home mortgage a second time, our democrat congress, will once again try to blame someone else, while again demanding the tax payers bailout the home mortgage market again.
    Forgot to add good post! Can’t wait to reading the next one!

  13. 13 Chris P. Apr 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Great post Ted. The truth and only the truth. Bush is an idiot, liar, torturer who started to throw away our money in Iraq for nothing, no reason whatsoever, kill our soldiers and innocent civil people for nothing, just putting in America in a big hole. Should be trialed for war crimes. And he left Bin Laden go ad Al Quaeda regroup. What an idiot.

  14. 14 Grayhawk Apr 22nd, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Dang, emotions are flowing, short and simple;

    Big Government never works no matter who, answer to our dilema may be in Article #5 of the Constitution, and adhering to notes #2 and # 3;

    Constitutional Convention, get control back in the hands of the people.

    Then back to the topic allot partials of lands in each sector affected for recreational rolling should be able to do both. Hell you can not even camp or drive on most of our coastal beaches either and that is the locals settings restrictions in that respect. What next can’t have a rally in a given area.


  15. 15 Jeff Nicklus Apr 22nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    CHANGE ! YES WE CAN! You all voted for this bullshit and now you have it ….. so stop bitching!

    In my humble opinion it is time to ramp up the tea parties to the next level and show these idiots what “Change” is about!

    Over & Out,


  16. 16 harry Apr 22nd, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Not to be disrespectul to the other folks posting out there, but doing the “who shot John” shit and blaming the other guy isn’t gonna protect the land theft that is occuring and has been since the late 70’s/early 80’s by the gov’t. I’d be curious to follow the money and see who would be profiting from something like this. Just an opinion…

  17. 17 Jeff Nicklus Apr 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 pm


    Eric Clapton shot him (as did Bob Marley), but he (they) didn’t shoot the Deputy!

    And with that bit of knowledge I am headed home for the day!

    Over & Out,


  18. 18 David Apr 22nd, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    The stimulus was only 800 pages and no one read it! I wonder what all their hiding in this 1300 pages and who has read it?

  19. 19 David Apr 22nd, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    Oh and by the way Chris P. I hope your standing there watching as that next airplane flys directly into the building your standing in. Let’s have this conversation after that !!!!!

  20. 20 Chris P. Apr 22nd, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    David. You must be the only one in the world still believing that Iraq had somethig to do with 911. There never been any element of Al Quaeda in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Al Quaeda was in Afghanistan. They went to Iraq after the Americans invaded Iraq, to kill some Americans. You must also believe in the story of Weapons Of Mass D estruction to justify Iraq invasion. Oh, wait, it was a CIA mistake, Bush said. Right! No wonder that the rest of the world, our allies, think that Americans were crazy and supid to reelect Bush for a second term. .

  21. 21 madpuppy Apr 22nd, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    I`m with you Jeff ! It started with Billy Clinton, he sold Us all down the river. PS, I like your web site Jeff, its really hard to check out your bikes tho, when you have that young lady popping in and out on the left ! LOL

  22. 22 Nicker Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    Actually it started a lot “longer” ago than Clinton.
    But in your lifetime both Billyjeff (and Carter before him) sure exacerbated our problem BIG-TIME.
    Remember, it was Carter who gave us the Iatola (because Roslyn wanted Jimmy to “be ore than just a peanut farmer”)

    So, Bush was an idiot?
    Does that mean we now have to stand by an let BO hand the country over to the Socialists..?

    Back to the issue at hand:
    If you plan to do nothing, at least join the AMA.
    I’d like to continue blasting my dirt bike down BLM fire roads.
    Makes ya a hell of a better street rider.


  23. 23 Nicker Apr 22nd, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    Sorry, i couldn’t resist:

    Number of States won by: -Democrats: 19 – Republicans: 29
    Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
    Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1

    RE: (Professor Olson)
    “… The territory Republican’s won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens…”
    “… Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”

    Thanks to LBJ’s War on Poverty America has slumped into “complacency and apathy”
    About forty percent of us already relies on some form of “governmental dependency”

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

    You want change….???
    “You got it, Toyota” …………… 🙁


  24. 24 Ted Apr 23rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Nicker…your stats forgot to include things like:

    amount of commerce generated from states won by Democrats (e.g. entire west coast, northeast, and upper mid-west)

    Commerce in areas of agricultural, technology & industry..

    plus, things like research….repeat same geographical areas above, particularly CA & MA

  25. 25 Jeff Nicklus Apr 26th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    Democrtas hold jobs and create commerce ????? Particularly in the Peoples Republic of CA & Ma …. I never knew that before!

    Over & Out,


  26. 26 makesnodifference Apr 27th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    You people with your Democrat vs Republican bullshit. They’re are all the same. Nothing will change until we have more than a 2 party system. Or at least until the majority starts listening to the Ron Paul, Ralph Nader types. This is exactly what government wants you to be doing…pointing fingers at the other side. This was their plan all along…and you all are falling for it. Bunch of fuckin sheep you are.

  27. 27 Jeff Nicklus Apr 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pm


    Ron Paul …. Ralph Nader ….. Mickey Mouse ….. Batman …. christ I feel a dose of diarrhea coming on!

    Over & Out,


  28. 28 David Apr 27th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Chris P.

    I know that we got rid of a tyrannical dictator that had killed millions and fashioned himself after Adolf Hitler.
    I know it was more about OIL than anything else and also to divert our eyes here at home away from other events going on here.Probably all the bullshit that led up to what we are going through now.
    Did we need to be there Probably.Did we have to stay this long Probably Not.I think this is similar to VietNam.It has to do more with Political power and money grubbing than anything else.
    I believe in war you go in and do the job and obtain an objective.In war you go into KILL and BREAK everything you can to obtain your objective. You cant wear white gloves and be politically correct.
    I think that if we are not very careful we are going to lose everything this country has fought for. OUR FREEDOM and Right to Choose. I think our Constitution is in jepordy from the Left.All of our rights are in their sights.


  29. 29 knuckle33 Apr 28th, 2009 at 7:41 am

    mitch, chris p, and ted are wimps. what have you whiners done for the country? George Bush is smarter than all of them put together. They would not last a day in his shoes with the responsibility he had.

    We need to torture the terrorists until there is nothing left to bury. Everyone knows that sadaam was not involved in 9/11. Invading Iraq was a strategic move to box in Iran. I can hardly wait until we launch the invasion on that want-to-end-the-world rat hole of a country.

  30. 30 Jeff Nicklus Apr 28th, 2009 at 9:27 am


    ……..Invading Iraq was a strategic move to box in Iran…….

    Finally someone understands the situation! God Bless you!

    With our military presence in the region we can launch forces into every country in the area very, very quickly. Iran and every other terrorist nation understands that there is a new sheriff in town and the shit is going to stop.

    If we do reduce our forces substantially in Iraq watch the “pot” start to boil again. Thank you Obama …. you sissy bastard!

    Over & Out,


  31. 31 Grayhawk Apr 28th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Reality Check: Sooner or later the whining and moaning, finger pointing or second guessing hindsite, the who did or did not do or should have or he said/she said based on our individual bias or idealogy has to stop as we are most definitley are as divided as we in the US have been since the CIVIL WAR and that may not be as much of a stretch as most might think in/for the forseeable future.

    Sorry to say It may take a major catastrophy to bring us all back to the middle and let each other live the life, that’s individual and states rights and government by the people.

    Us citizens as a whole are the most generous people on Earth, we do not need a mandated welfare state to encourage even more welfare. Charities and Faith based community support have been second to none in the world. Welfare is a lose/lose for all involved especially the welfare receipents themselves.

    Welfare receipents should be afforded government, state, community or civic jobs that includes on the job training and skill growth and taxpayers get something for the payout, receipents train for a better life so they can provide for themselves then you/we/they are not grooming generations of entitled or dependent. Those with out papers must have papers and taxes paid as citizens and green card caring individuals do. No more fake ID’s that employers can see through and know and choose to overlook to save a buck. No more individuals using your dead relatives social security i.d. to skirt the system. No free lunch as it only encourges the need for more. Help out those in need by helping them while they are down but do not keep them down. That philosophy is not left or right, not Democratic, Republican nor Independent ,just America. My Opinion of course.

    That being said, that is all going to be overshadowed by the middle east as it will come to a head in the next 24 months or less more likely within a year. Sides have been chosen, the new democracy in Irag whether you give any credit their or not is not stable enough nor enduring enough to change any minds other then moderates in the region.

    The idealogy storm between radical Islam, politically correct or not, and the Jewish State is coming to a head. The US does not have it in our gut as a Government, specifically CONGRESS to be decisive unless boxed in or hit upside our head, noting being to the left or right notwithstanding. Bleeding hearts go hoover in the corner.

    The UN is a joke and a paper tiger and Isreal is not going to wait till they see the mushroom cloud to react. When that happens standing on the sideline nor second guessing will not be an option.


  32. 32 makesnodifference Apr 28th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    I get concerned when people holding certain political beliefs dismiss anyone who disagrees with them as either “liberal or democratic” or “conservative and republic.” That’s the whole problem with the two party system…the “Us Vs. Them” mentality it so dangerously provokes.

  33. 33 makesnodifference Apr 28th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    So Jeff…you’re just out to rule the fucking world eh? The global war on terror, now the “long war” under Obama, is nothing but a scapegoat for expanding American power and influence in the Middle-East, and the majority of Americans have taken the bait.

  34. 34 Jeff Nicklus Apr 28th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    For all of you folks who think Iraq and our presence in the Middle East is a joke please take a few minutes and watch this video … better be quick though as I am sure it will be pulled soon:

    Over & Out,


  35. 35 Jeff Nicklus Apr 28th, 2009 at 12:02 pm


    Not out to rule the world … just protect America from assholes like you, Obama and the Terrorist world. ….. “can’t we all just get along?” whin, whin, whin! YES, just as soon as I pop a cap in your terrorist ass and then cover your dead carcass with Pig Blood!

    Did you not look at the video I posted? No… it is a capitalist fraud right? How quickly we forget about 911!

    Over & Out,


  36. 36 Jeff Nicklus Apr 28th, 2009 at 1:39 pm


    FYI: There are some that would argue that the Civil War is not over. Some would say that the end of the war rumors are just that, rumors, rumors that are being spread by those Yankee Bastards. Of course Texas will sit this next one out as there will be no need to participate after we secede!
    “The South Will Rise Again?’

    Over & Out,


  37. 37 Grayhawk Apr 29th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Hey Jeff not wanting to give you any more heart palpations but look around most of the Northeasters are migrating to Florida/Arizona and yes our beloved State of Texas. No jobs, too much entitlement, high fuel oil costs, manufacturing going away, taxes, taxes, taxes, etc., etc. the upper east and middle great lakes areas are a hurting. Texas has an economy, no state taxes, reasonable living costs, God’s country. Locals willing to bend but not break.

    When I was at the Barbers Antique in meet in Alabama last fall there were several relocated auto workers that said straight up they could live on half the money working for the transplanted foreign auto companies building cars in the near area, buy twice the house for the money and not freeze to death in the winter and still store away their legacy funds so they were happy campers and were starting to slow their roll down a bit and say mam or sir every now and then. Hoping Southern hospitality rules the day in the end but could go the other way, who knows.

    They are here or on the way. So a little converting might be on the agenda. A little Texas live and let live teaching as to let them see the light and maybe change is forthcoming. Possible maybe, ok hard to change old habits for all of us. Lets see Mexicans from the south, northesterners from the north meeting in Texas, might make for a Tornado. Hope not but is concerning.

    Show them your good side at least once then if not convert material take no prisoners.

    Hope you stayed high and dry yesterday. It was hard to get around, messed up my spring planting.

    Never let a blogger get your goat.


  38. 38 Jeff Nicklus Apr 29th, 2009 at 2:48 pm


    You know as well as I that Texans are a hospitable group of people. As far as I am concerned all are welcome as long as they are willing to swear allegiance to the Great State of Texas, The Dallas Cowboys, The Houston Texans, The Alamo, Sam Houston, Chicken Fried Steak, Cold Beer, Good Margaritas and Beautiful Texas Women. Oh, yes I almost forgot, the new transplants will have to have a bumper sticker on their new pick up, for at least a 12 month period after residency that says: “I wasn’t born in Texas but I got here as soon as I could!” I am sure we can get that Yankee Accent out of them in time.

    Dry yesterday … hah! I had to take my shoes and socks off and roll my pant legs up just to unlock the main gate here at the shop!

    Off to Thunder Beach in Panama City Florida in the morning …. I am looking forward to the time out of the shop!

    Over & Out,


  39. 39 Grayhawk Apr 29th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Some above just do not understand your serious Texas humor, If you can not get Conrad to open that gate up in the mornings especially on frog soaking days, management training you know, you might ought to just wear your country boy high water pants. Chicken fried steaks are not on the biggest loser diet. Safe trip.


  40. 40 Nicker Apr 29th, 2009 at 4:10 pm


    “… “can’t we all just get along?” …”

    Ya hear that sort of stuff from those who live in a dream world.
    Anyone that has a modicum of knowledge of the Humans knows that is is simply against or nature to “get along.”

    We are wired for conflict…….. It’s in our DNA…. That’s reality.
    So it’ll be a cold day in Hell before “The Meek are not going to inherit the earth”.
    Or the rest of us all get along………. 🙂

    Regarding Secession:
    “… Texas will sit this next one out as there will be no need to participate after we secede!…”

    Not sure what you have in mind here, but as i recall, under the original terms by which Texas joined the Union, Texas has the option of splitting into multiple states at some point in the future.

    But Texas did not get the option of voluntary secession later.


  41. 41 Jeff Nicklus Apr 29th, 2009 at 4:51 pm


    You are correct Texas has the right to split into 5 states each with 2 Senators ……..

    Secondly, again are correct again in that under the Writ Of Annexation of Texas we (Texas) did not specifically retain the right to secede per se, however, the Writ of Annexation of the United States Congress clearly recognizes the Texas Constitution and ratifies such Constitution in its entirety as part of that Writ.

    The Texas Constitutions states in part:
    “Texas is a free and independent State … All political power is inherent in the people … they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper.”
    — Texas Constitution (1876)

    “Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed… Whenever government becomes destructive to life, liberty, or property [i.e., the pursuit of happiness], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it… It is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.”
    — American Declaration of Independence (1776)

    This gives us the right, by a simple vote of the people, to take Texas and go on down the road. Do I actually believe this will happen ….. a year ago I would have said “not a chance” … today I have to say …. this may go before the People of Texas sooner than later.


    Conrad has early classes so he isn’t around in the AM…. He has, however, talked me into going along to Thunder Beach under the premise of keeping me on my diet! What a load of crap!

    Over & Out,


  42. 42 dragon Apr 30th, 2009 at 4:27 am

    there r two sides to every story and we the people can sit on our ass and whine ,bitch and moan about but the truth is untill {WE THE PEOPLE TAKE BACK THE USA} THE CONGESS R JUST GOING TO KEEP GETTING RAISES that by the way they give to them selves the rich r going to keep getting richer and the poor r going to get poorer

  43. 43 Alex Apr 30th, 2009 at 6:44 am

    Am I the only one who grits his teeth when someone writes “Over & Out” on every fucking post? Jesus Christ, that means you’re done. So be done.

    How can people who “support the troops” ignore the fact that Bush fucked over his own soldiers every chance he got?

    Fuck Bush, and fuck his dirty child-killing war. Let him go.

  44. 44 Grayhawk May 1st, 2009 at 9:45 am

    Alex your probably not the only one who grits his teeth over someone elses choice of words but it is a blog isn’t it. As in the case of your language choices I had to take my teeth out just so I wouldn’t break them, impressive vocabulary you exhibit above, not.

    In regards to content of your comment you might not have been able to say the same thing you said about Bush if you lived under a Saddam but may be able to in Irag in the near future. So maybe some good may come out of a war.

    Most Every Country in some form of need looks to/lobbies the USA to be the policeman but no one acknowledges same or very few publicly, same applies to people inside the USA.
    I would have hoped that when the U.N. was formed that would be their role, didn’t happen.

    WW1 and WW2 had America supporting/coming to the rescue of Europe and Russia, some appreciated it, some have forgotten, none paid back the monetary relief funding, no one can ever repay for the blood spent. As in any and all Wars innocents are saved as well as killed only history can look back, judge and see if it was worth it.

    The U.N. and to a large extent our present day Congress are the pretty good examples of what happens when no one will take stand and nothing ever reaches resolution just a never ending circle jerk most times just posturing for self-serving interest.

    I am also not so naive that I do not see merit in having logistics in place if and when the Isreal/Iran and Mid-East civil war engages the world in conflict may just save a few lives over here. Bless our troops.

    Chemical Ali and Saddam killed a bunch of innocents while the world just looked, sighed and condemmed all the while twittling their thumbs and jacking their jaws, WMD’s or not. We’re we right or wrong only our cheap rheteric has all the answers now but future will tell and define.

    No President or Country of any merit mandate is/was to Kill Children or Innocents for that matter but it has/will/ probably always be an end result. The sad part of war period.

    But do not lose sight of the train coming down the track your standing on, with a name such as Alex I can only assume you are an Infidel like me and as such you are on the short list of Radical Islam as no holds barred their stated end objective is to convert or eliminate you, man, woman, child or blogger. AK’s and RPG’s are killing machines but nothing like a rocket that reaches with a payload, do we want to just wait and see? We need to at least be prepared to defend and have a defense.


  45. 45 Nicker May 2nd, 2009 at 9:49 pm


    If you think Bush did it to ya….
    Dude, OB has a rude awakening coming your way.

    “… a year ago I would have said “not a chance” … today I have to say …. this may go before the People of Texas sooner than later…”

    le-me know when that happens. i’ll move directly to Texas.

    But if it splits into 5 predominantly Hispanic states, Congress will be a very different place.
    And America may well formally become a bi-lingual, like Canada. ……… 🙁


  46. 46 Alex May 11th, 2009 at 2:40 am

    You guys are hilarious.

    Grayhawk: America stood back while Hitler mowed through Europe, until they were forced into it. And also: Fuck. There, grind your teeth some more.

    Painting all Muslims with the Taliban brush is no better than radicals who say America is the great Satan. It’s the same bloody thing. You’ve been played.

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