Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge. The Questions Asked To Big Jim “Red Cloud” Durham.

Again, congratulations to all participants of the Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge. No doubt that it has been an up lifting experience for many, if not all. Still many, participants. family, friends and observers have charged since before the start in Key West that this event was a scam and that the winner may never be named, so the prize of $500,000 never given away.

All the Web is buzzing with allegations and unanswered questions. I summarize below all those I have found on different websites, blogs and social networks. Add your own questions, if any, in comments below my post. You never know. Maybe Jim Durham or his representatives will answer at least to some. It takes nothing away from the participants to ask these questions. And the list is long…

How many participants paid the $1000 fee to participate to the Challenge? Why did you said in a meeting before the start that you lied to the participants to have as many as possible in Key West to participate to the Challenge? List these lies that you know have made to the participants, and also to sponsors and charities if any?

Why participants didn’t receive GPS tracking chips as promised? Name the charities that you stated will benefit from the Challenge? How much each of them is going to receive from the organization? Name the sponsors of the Challenge, the type of help and/or the amount of money they contributed? Name all the beneficiaries corporation, associations, individuals of the money contributed by participants and sponsors? Where are the proceeds kept? In which form (cash, bank accounts?)

Did you deceive people about your true family lineage to give an American Native spirit to the event? Name the producer that you stated was filming from start to finish a reality show about the Challenge? Who drew the maps given to the participants at the start, then at each checkpoint? Did anyone from the organization physically check proofed all the directions and maps given to the participants? Were some directions given wrong on purpose? Why did you state that participants would be drug tested and would receive a polygraph at arrival knowing that there is no such services provided and available in Homer, Alaska? What were the drugs authorized and forbidden? How are you able to check that participants followed the rules, the routes, didn’t sleep in hotels, etc?

How many participants took the start in Key West? How many people were killed and injured during the Challenge? Did you contact the families of the participants killed and injured? Which ones? When? How many participants did arrive in Homer? State the names of those who were checking all participants at arrival and the order in which they arrived? 2 participants crossed the finishing line at the same time. How do you know who crossed first? Where is the list, ranking, time of arrival of all those who completed the Challenge? Name those who received a drug test and were submitted to a polygraph in Homer? How much time after they passed the finishing line did they receive the tests? Name those who administered the tests and their qualifications? Do you have a list of participants who arrived in Homer and that you disqualified and why?

Why did you state that the winner will be named and will receive the prize money of $500,000 at  arrival, then changed your mind? What make you change your mind? Why did you state in a local radio interview that participants who arrived in Homer had to go to their local FBI agency for a polygraph test, when everybody know that the FBI never  get involved in a matter which is not a serious crime?

When and where the winner will be announced during Sturgis Bike week? Does the winner need to be present and how does he know in advance he is the winner to get a chance to be present?  Do you know the winner? Does the winner already know he is the winner? Do you have the $500,000 available to give to the winner in Sturgis? Why did you announce in your website that Black Hills Harley-Davidson is a sponsor when the dealership officially denies any involvement with the Hoka Hey? Are there other sponsors that you stated as such, other charities that you stated as beneficiaries and that are not? How much money the organization, corporations and entities that you may control directly or indirectly, you personally and others who participated in the organization are going to make. In which manner(s) John White from Crazy Horse Motorcycles was involved with this year Hoka Hey Challenge  and the one he states he is organizing for next year. Why, if John White is not involved with this year’s Challenge, is he ready to give refunds to unhappy participants? (credit pictures Michael Amstrong, Homer News)

40 Responses to “Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge. The Questions Asked To Big Jim “Red Cloud” Durham.”

  1. 1 Josh Kemper Jul 10th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Deception from A to Z. A criminal enterprise?

  2. 2 Shifter Jul 10th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Big Black Cloud over Jim “Red Cloud”

  3. 3 Dennis J Jul 10th, 2010 at 9:26 am

    All good questions however I strongly doubt Big Jim would give a straight answer to anything. As Teddy Roosevelt put it “like nailing currant jelly to a wall.”

  4. 4 Bobby Jul 10th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    It’s sad to observe the bad image that this “Red Cloud” is giving to all Native Americans. It’s going to end up in a class action lawsuit with criminal charges. The Cannonball Endurance Run, the vintage motorcycle endurance challenge, has mandatory rest days to not endanger the life of riders. If it is confirmed that no winner will be announced, the Hoka Hey” name is going to be the expression used for any future scams in the motorcycle industry. Like Ponzi scheme, Hoka Hey scheme.

  5. 5 Jenna Jul 10th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    OMG. It’s too much!

  6. 6 Brandon Jul 10th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    If the prize is not given away under false pretexts, a lot of felony charges can be filed. Wonder if there are Hoka Hey printed rules to participate (in addition of the website not saying much) and disclaimers that participants were obliged to sign. Are these clauses, if any, legal in all states crossed during the challenge?

  7. 7 Al Johnson Jul 10th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    I hope no one actually believes this fool is a Native American. Maybe he really is descended from Chief Jay Strongbow. His story would fit perfectly in the WWE. I think Big Jim Red Cloud Cloud could announce the winner with Vince McMahon at WrestleMania XXVII on April 3, 2011 at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta.

  8. 8 Johny Hess Jul 10th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    And don’t tell me that some bikers would not file charges because they had the ride of their lifetime. Maybe it’s what Big Jim hopes. Romance of the road is one thing. Scamming people for 1/2 million dollars is a different matter. A very serious one.

  9. 9 Jess Jul 10th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    John White gives you a $1000 credit if you participate to Hoka Hey 2011 that he states he is organizingI It’s time to explain the relation between Big Jim and John White. They created a corporation together named Hoka Hey Motorcycles before the event. And on Favebook, John White states that he has no involvement with this year’s event. Go figure.

  10. 10 Bernie Carter Jul 10th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Oops, I don’t remember where I deposited the money.

  11. 11 Ralph Sr Jul 10th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Can anyone legally “award” a monetary “prize” for a “race”(challenge) held on public highways without facing criminal prosecution and being held monetarily liable for participant injuries and deaths. Perhaps Mr Jim already knew this. So if there is no “prize” does that mean that there was no “race” (challenge)? No “race” no liability? ???

  12. 12 Captain Bob Jul 10th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    “John White.” That says it all.

  13. 13 Cantrell Jul 10th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Sounds like a hanging offense to me!


  14. 14 Hey The Money Jul 10th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    No winner? No prize money? Better change your mind. Or Jim the “Red Clown” will turn pale when served with papers coming from lawyers in all US States + Canada.

  15. 15 NEC Jul 10th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    I think I would just shoot myself if I had to actually answer all these questions.. it would jsut be a lot easier.

  16. 16 NEC Jul 10th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    I think I would just shoot myself and make it easier on me if I had to answer all these questions

  17. 17 Bones Jul 10th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    If I remember correctly, there was a statment somewhere that they were raising the money for “” theBig Jim “Red Cloud charity” !!

    Sems like a quick way to raise halve a Mil to me.

  18. 18 Bob G Jul 10th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Does anyone really believe this is real? If there is anyone I have some beachfront property to sell you. It’s currently in the desert, but when the seas rise (if you believe this, you also probably believe Al Gore) it will be a beautiful beach.

  19. 19 Martin Smith Jul 10th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    I have a question for Jim Durham (or whatever his real name is) would you like to enter a plea of guilty or not guilty?

  20. 20 John White Jul 10th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    From John White,

    I was not aware of the Hoka Hey Challenge until 28 days before the Challenge began. I called the organizers, namely Jim Red Cloud, and asked for permission for our motorcycles to enter the race. He asked me our company name and when I said it was Crazy Horse Motorcycles LLC he told me I needed to fly to Pine Ridge and meet with him directly. I did not ask why. I got on the plane.

    We have been using the name Crazy Horse for a very long time. In addition, I own the trademark for the name Crazy Horse. Trademarks are complicated. I am sure you have found out that I own many patents and have a good background in this area. My trademark covers motorcycles, engines, etc.

    I have been very concerned about using the name Crazy Horse. There are two bands on Pine Ridge, the Black Elks and the Iron Clouds, that are descendants of Crazy Horse and they do not like seeing that name used or exploited. They have been involved in law suits against a beer company that put Crazy Horse on their label. I may have the United States of America Patent and Trademark office behind me but I did not have the spiritual backing of the descendants. I was very aware that as our company expanded I would probably experience a day when I would have to answer to the descendants of Crazy Horse. Knowing this, I made sure I did not disrespect the name by putting it on a beer can. Last year when Dave Perewitz and Ron Finch and Kris Krome all won awards using our engine I knew the time was close.

    I came up with the name Crazy Horse after my failed attempt to buy Indian Motorcycle in 2004. Indian Motorcycles closed the doors in September 2003, a week after I had purchased a new Indian. I had no service. I purchased Rolling Thunder in Seattle and hired the ex employees of Seattle Indian. I purchased the engine program called the PowerPlus. Indian had left it on the floor in Lavonia, Michigan and nobody wanted it so I purchased it for $250,000 cash. I moved the factory to Seattle. I changed the engine from PowerPlus to V-Plus. I purchased all the drawings for the bikes. I then started buying up other assets formally owned by Indian Motorcycle. A British private investment company purchased the name “Indian” and I was second or third bidder. Few know that Harley Davidson also bid.

    I wanted an All American made motorcycle with a Native Indian theme. My business plan (which is still my business plan) was to make American made motorcycles with American made parts. In addition, I wanted to have the accessories made by Native Indians. For example, if you purchased a Crazy Horse Chief you could name your Native Indian theme……..such as Navajo. The bags and leathers and various accessories would be made by Navajo Indians, complete with their colors and culture, thus providing jobs for Native Americans and securing their art and crafts. If you purchased a Crazy Horse Chief but wanted it with a Cherokee theme, then your bike would be fitted with bags and accessories from that tribe and so on. This was my business plan for Indian Motorcycle and I adapted it when I could not buy Indian. I adapted it to Crazy Horse. I then set out to fix the engine. I re-engineered it. I gave engines away at no cost as long as they reported the miles and provided me with feedback. We have done this since 2004 and now the engine is world wide known in the custom bike business.

    So I flew to Pine Ridge not so much to get permission to enter our bikes in the Hoka Hey. It was my time to solve a concern I had over the use of the name Crazy Horse.

    I arrived in a storm. It was raining like hell and lightning was striking our truck. On the way there we were passed by a crazy person on a motorcycle, going over 100 mph in the rain with no helmet or windshield. I noticed the guy had a Hoka Hey jacket. My driver, Ed Corbett, who happens to be our test rider for Crazy Horse, said we need not enter the race because this nut that just passed us is better than we are.

    Ed did not want to continue taking me to Pine Ridge. He thought I was going to get beat up or killed or attacked for using the name Crazy Horse. I told Ed to stop worrying and to realize that I would die, not him. Meanwhile the rain kept coming down and we inched our way and then it started hailing and we were forced to stop. Three inch diameter hail stones destroyed our truck and nearly broke the windshield. I instructed Ed to stop and we came upon the motorcyclist that passed us. He was dodging ICE balls so I rolled down my window and told the kid to get in the truck. By this time our truck looked like someone had taken a giant hammer to it. The kid got in the truck and was in pain from hitting ICE balls but he was ok. I introduced myself and Ed and then I looked him in the eye and said “your name is Elijah Whirlwindhorse”. I had recognized him from the short video on the Hoka Hey website. Elijah thought I was a police officer. He then told me he was riding to Jim Red Cloud’s house to meet John White from Seattle. We laughed. The lightning and stones kept peppering our truck. Ed started asking Elijah if we were in trouble for using the name Crazy Horse. I finally had to tell Ed shut the F…K up. Ed was so worried.

    The hail stopped. Elijah told us to follow him. He took off on his bike like a bat out of hell. We could not keep up with him. The hail started coming down even worst than before. I yanked out my I Phone and recorded it because I was sure our windows would be broken. We got to the side of the road and there was Elijah, dodging ICE balls and lightning; it was a terrible situation. He was really hurt this time. He was holding his shoulder. I motioned for him to get in the truck and this time I scolded him. No one in their right mind would ride like that. He is lucky to be alive.

    Ten minutes later the hail stopped and we drove to Jim’s house. Ed would not get out of the truck and was ready to go for his weapon. Jim was standing in the front yard, among all the hail stones that had not melted yet. He asked me why Ed would not get out of the truck. I told him that Ed was fearful over my use of the name Crazy Horse. Jim smiled and said that Crazy Horse rode into battle with a lightning bolt painted on his face and white hails stones on his body and you and Ed have come here on Crazy Horse’s spirit. Jim thanked me for protecting his nephew. Ed relaxed and we had dinner.

    To make a long story short, Jim took me to his Grandfather Chief Oliver Red Cloud. We discussed the name Crazy Horse. I made my case. No answer was given. He said Jim would give me the answer. Jim told me that it is difficult to find any two Indians to agree on anything. I could ask for the blessing from the Iron Clouds and then not get it from the Black Elks. It was a losing battle. I always knew this. I returned home without an answer but I did get permission to enter our bikes.

    I called Wayne Shammal. Wayne is a Blackfoot lawyer for the Umpqua’s. He spent more than a million dollars trying to buy Indian Motorcycle back in 1999. I told him years ago when I could not buy Indian that I would use the name Crazy Horse. He warned me then. I explained to him the above experience. I told him that I would change the name. He said you are a good man and I knew that you would find a new name. I told him that I did not find a new name. He said it will come.

    Jim called me the next morning and said my business plan was good. He suggested I use the name Hoka Hey.

    I hope this answers your question as to why I am trying to take this mess and form it into an organization. You think I am crazy, I think I am fortunate. My wife thinks I am nuts. My lawyers think I should wait until someone is paid. Therefore, you are entitled to your opinion.


    John L. White
    CEO Hoka Hey Motor Company
    President, American Piledriving Equipment, Inc.
    USMC 1973-77

  21. 21 John White Jul 10th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    I read all the posts. Capt Bob…………..your are not a captain. Your are a business failure.

  22. 22 Lance Dickwood Jul 10th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    When this first hit Cyril’s blog some weeks ago a few of us outright saw it for what it was. A scam. When we pointed that fact out we were called haters and malcontents. This is exactly how we got stuck with Bush for eight years. People too stupid to live . . .

  23. 23 martin Jul 11th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    After reading John whites article I think your nuts too!As for big jim Red Cloud and friends they were scum when they set up their little TeePee at Rossmeyers Destination Daytona and they did it over and over to get suckers signed up,sad for all the good hearts involved but if you couldn’t tell they were scum at first meeting,you should stay with friends and friends alone,people like Jim live off of suckers,what a shame hopefully the Attornet General for one state or the other will fix this and make it right,until then Trust no one!!!!!!!

  24. 24 martin Jul 11th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    And John I’m not attacking you personally,but in these uncertain and down times why are you gambling on a new company, new motorcycle etc.?Where are the buyers coming from?Don’t get me wrong a new companyu just started up american made but totally different bike and it has a base and they are for the most part professional riders and racers…..The 2011 Highland Viking,so where do you feel your base is?Oh being I know Dave Perewitz and Ron Finch they could use any motor and sell motorcycles it’s the Art and Style of Dave and Ron and Trotta,Lane,etc people buy not the motor!

  25. 25 martin Jul 11th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Oh I sure to hell didn’t want to leave out Sucker Punch Salley’s of St.Louis either and at last 50 other custom builders across the nation,and OCC Paul and Paul Jr.Now where do you fit in?

  26. 26 martin Jul 11th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Darn I forgot to put Brian Fuller down there as a major player,and if I think about it long enough I’ll come up with more than 50 others,What you did is in question,and what Jim did is stole simple as that and he used the two clowns on the video to do it,along with his company of questionables at Rally’s like Destination Daytona,does Willie Rossmeyer the late Bruce Rossmeyer’s son or Shelly know about these clowns?It would be bad for their business to be even remotely connected to these losers…………….

  27. 27 Bigal Jul 12th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    This is a Bad Dream, a Nightmare, a Tradegy, a Scam and I guarantee that there is enough Heat on this Fiasco that there will be a Prosecution. If it is Federal then it will be at least 6 more months minimum. If it is a State Prosecution, once it is determened what State will Prosecute, or each State will do their Prosecution seperately then it will be at least 3-6 moth before the first State Files Charges.

  28. 28 Trish Jul 12th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Don’t you all think we should just sit back and wait to see the results and hear the answers to some questions? I feel like constantly discussing it and throwing stones online is just building a bigger controversy… it will all come out eventually, the truth always does. But these things get so exacerbated online like this when we’re all making assumptions and accusations.

    I happen to have a few friends who rode in the Hoka Hey and whether they won or not say it was the most adventurous journey of their lives. They deserve a pat on the back for taking it on! I think we should be cautious to not forget about the riders who participated… money and winnings aside – congrats to all of those who took on this harsh task and crossed that finish line: even if they were dead last!

  29. 29 Twin2 Jul 12th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Come on Trish. Nobody has ever said anything negative about those who accomplished the challenge. Even if the prize money would be given in Sturgis, it still remains that there is evidence of several lies and deceptions. Just as examples: what about the participants who quit because the directions were wrong. If there is a winner, he may be challenged by these other riders. What about Big Jim not calling the families of those killed or injured. Don’t you think a Challenge like that (perceived by many as a race for 1/2 million dollars) should require a minimum time to sleep to avoid deaths and accidents. Jim “Red Cloud” doesn’t seem to care about this and other important issues. I don’t think it’s only bad organization. And if the prize money would be given, I am convinced that it will be given under pressure and to escape prosecution. My point of view.

  30. 30 Pat Edward Jul 12th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Trish. To ask questions is not to throw stones without reasons. All the questions above are legitimate. They come from participants and their families. Tell us if you belong to the Hoka Hey organization? The fact that some liked the ride has nothing to do with the issues. It;s about the integrity, morality and honesty of this event.

  31. 31 jsdiamond Jul 12th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Polygraph technology is pseudo-science; such tests don’t “detect lies” or anything else. It’s all up to the best guess of the operator. Polygraph’s biggest supporters are alleged UFO abductees and Big Foot hunters.

    Also, a riding challenge (read: ‘a race’) that forbids hotel stays but allows trikes and baggers loaded up with more luxury than my Ford Taurus seems totally pointless.

  32. 32 Kris Jul 13th, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Mike, I went on what I believe to be the official Quick Throttle website, but couldn’t find your name anywhere as a writer. Would you please provide the web address so I can look for your interview next month?

  33. 33 toni schultz Jul 13th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    My rider, along with at least two others, was killed riding the challenge. To say that the ride ” No doubt that it has been an up lifting experience for many, if not all. ” seems very callous. I must assume that is not what you intended. As you know the controversies surrounding this “challenge” are many. Please respect the families of those who gave their lives and word things with a bit more compassion.

    Other than that objection, I found your questions blog covered most, if not all, of the unanswered queries.

    I would like to also affirm to you that as of the writing of this note to you I have not been contacted by anyone connected with this year’s Hoka Hey. Within hours of hearing of Ken’s death I called Beth. I have reason to believe that she was attempting to make a phone call as I did speak with her – something others were unable to do. I asked her one question and one question only. That was July 4th. Her stammered response was to tell me that she would have to speak with the other organizers and would get back with me either tonight (July 4th) or the next day (July 5th). If you read any of the discussion boards (since removed following the infamous press release) you may recall that I posted multiple times, in multiple threads that I was still waiting for a phone call from Beth. Since, by their own admissions, Beth and Jim did read the threads I am totally amazed that I have not been called. The last contact I had with the family of Chuck Lynn (the other named death) indicated that they had not been contacted either. That might have changed, I don’t know.

  34. 34 Bufford Jul 14th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    >John White gives you a $1000 credit if you participate to Hoka Hey 2011 that he states he is organizingI It’s time to explain the relation between Big Jim and John White. They created a corporation together named Hoka Hey Motorcycles before the event. And on Favebook, John White states that he has no involvement with this year’s event. Go figure.<

    The HH forum has a post from him saying that the inaugural board meeting won't be held until 8/14/2011. That doesn't leave enough riding time in 2011 to hold a rally of similar scope, done with the improvements in planning, communcation, and organization that everyone says was lacking from the first HH.


  35. 35 Jon C Jul 14th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    I will adress some of the questions from the above:

    Bobby…where is your factual, admissable info coming from that no winner will be announced?

    Jess…..John White had no involvement with this years Hoka Hey Challenge other than he backed a couple of entries.

    Ralph Sr. ……this was and always has been an endurance challenge and not a speed race. Anyone recieving a ticket for speeding was an auto-disqualification. To my knowledge only one speeding ticket was reported to Hoka Hey officials. Audi North America just ran a similar challenge based on fuel consumption….should they be charged with a crime also as they used some of the same roads we did.

    Cantrell…the hanging offense you speak of….is that for Hoka Hey or you? By what authority are you charged with making such a statement?

    Bones….your statement would be totally incorrect and invalid. No such charity exists and no statement to that was ever made. Good try.

    Lance Dickwood….I am impressed you have the ability to see a scam without any factual knowledge. This what, came to you in a dream? Possible communication from “the other side.” Do you have any idea how utterly ridulous your statement is? Does it really make sense to you? You are probably the least knowledgable of all.

    Martin…why don’t you ask the riders who finished if they think they are suckers? What gives you the right to belittle and demean these people and don’t say you are not. You are.

    Bigal….why don’t you explain in detail why you think this is a scam and what laws were broken, Put some facts into evidence that will hold up in a court of law. Lucky the courts don’t go based on what you think but evidence beyound a reasonable doubt.

    Trish….congrats…at least one person has it figured out.

    Twin 2…. your comments certainly do demean and belittle the chacter of everyone who participated. Lie to yourself and you lie to everyone. The directions were not wrong as we checked and rechecked. Maybe you couldn’t find what you were looking for because you made a mistake and were in the wrong place as many did. Over 150 riders got them right. Slow down as you were told and you won’t make as many mistakes.

    I spoke to almost all who rode and I don’t know of a single rider who did not stop and sleep. All riders were instructed to stop when they felt tired. Some of the riders even stayed in hotels along the way.

    Pat Edward….you’re right….it was about integrity, morality and honesty. So why have the riders you speak of not approached Hoka Hey officials about their concerns? Why would they tell you and not the Hoka Hey officals? Could it be they were some of the ones who chose to ride the freeways and not stay on the route? There are always more than two sides to every story.

    Toni Shultz….as sad as it is, only two fatalities have been confirmed. Everyone at Hoka Hey is saddened by this. I was present when Chuck Lynn’s family was contacted by the Hoka Hey officals only hours after the accident. Chucks wife was in no condition to speak and so a family spokesperson took the call. The next day Jim was contacted directly by someone who claimed to be Chucks brother and Jim spoke to him for some time.

    Hoka hey officals attempted to contact Ken Greene’s family also only hours after it was reported to Hoka Hey. I believe you to be correct in speaking to Beth. Before further contact was made, Jim was contacted by a lawyer claiming to represent someone on behalf of Ken. All contact at that point would cease except through legal channels.

    In all fairness to Jim and Beth and everyone at Hoka Hey, in both cases families were notified well in advance of Hoka Hey officals. If we notified families with every rumor of someone being killed that we heard of without first getting confirmation certainly would have been much worse than not making the first phone call to the two families who did lose loved ones.

    Because we were not family, neither the Highway Patrol or hospitals would release any information to us. Common sense dictates you can understand that.

  36. 36 Brett Jul 14th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    John White wants to own the Hoka Hey Challenge event. Does he own it already?. In exchange he saves Jim Durham by paying the winner. John White announced a meeting in Sturgis to recruit participants for the 2011 edition. I don’t think he would do this if he was not sure the winner will be paid…by him. It will not remove any responsibility of Jim Durham for the bad things that happened this year. My 2 cents.

  37. 37 Jon C Jul 14th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Brett….that is a fair question and relevant to the event. I am not privy to anything in writing or any kind of a deal between John White and Jim Red Cloud at this time. I believe you to be correct in your assumption that John White wants to own the Hoka Hey Challenge. I do believe however that Jim Red Cloud does not need John Whites money to pay the winner.

    Jim and Beth are tired and all the crap on the net took its toll on them. My persoanl opinion is that a the Hoka Hey Challenge, created by Jim Red Cloud, was a grass roots event that was brilliant and should continue. To try to make it something that its not I beleive would be a mistake.

    Will John White step up to the plate and make Jim an offer he can’t refuse? I have no way of knowing.

  38. 38 txmoto Jul 15th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Not trying to sound callous here… but nobody “gave their lives” for this ride. That’s something you do for you country, or your faith, or at least something you cherish. I ride. If it’s my time to die, I hope I die while riding my bike.

    Hoka Hey was a challenge. Period. Some went for the chance to win $500,000. Some went for the adventure… etc. Who knows the motivation?

    I hereby officially nominate jim red cloud for PREZ, he’s almost as big a liar as the current liar in office.

    You know, most people, their word is their bond. If I told you that the winner would be announced on a certain date or location, it would be done. Just that fact alone causes me to lose all respect for jim red cloud. Yeah no caps equals my respect for him.

    My hats off to all the riders, especially to those who finished the challenge. Anyone that showed up at the start line showed more courage than most that are posting here.

    Waiting for the winner and the delivery of the prize money to be announced….

    ps I believe in the toof fairy too.

  39. 39 ranger Jul 16th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Those that were on the ride know me as the one eye ranger,I
    served 26 yrs for my country, I have been been hurt many times(you can look this up on u.s.army ranger hall of fame induction 2002 Charles r laws)
    I will tell you Jim,Beth,ms hoka hey, and the whole staff gave me a chance to be what I once was I am not a rich man what happend to me on the ride money cant buy. Veterans of vietnam have a saying if you were not there you would never understand. I know there were riders who got turned around or lost hell I was one of them but at no time did I even think of quitting. If you looked up who I am you Know i am a brain injured vet with a plate in my head . There was even one rider who was lost called his wife and said the only one around was and old one eye vet. I said hey im standing right here we had a good laugh an I had the op to meet his wife in Homer. There are people who say we were running for the gold.I for cannot agree with that. I was broke down in the desert in UT at that point I was close to the front, every motorcycle that went by where I was asked what can they do there was people trying to help fix it one time about midnite I thought I had it fixed2 men stopped gave me a push got the bike running 20 miles later she gave up the ghost fell on me these two men would not leave me. After telling them i was alright please go one gave me a hatchet that belonged to hin grandfather told me he get it back in homer. Long storie short got it fixed and ran like hell not for the money but these guys new what I knew all a long I would be in homer. So I may be a little wounded but these men that stopped and I mean all of them and the hoka hey staff I could never repay you for what you made me reach inside myself and find. and i will forever have your nback

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