Feds to Motorcyclists. Pump E-15 Into Your bike And Go To Jail.

ethanolFrom qbPR of The Motorcycle Riders Foundation.

The Motorcycle Riders Foundation (MRF) reports that according to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) using ethanol blends of 15% ethanol in any vehicle that is not a passenger vehicle will be in direct violation of Federal law. The EPA has issued a list of possible plans to mitigate mis-fueling issues with the recently approved E-15 ethanol blends. Prior to E-15, the highest blend allowed for mass consumption was E-10. The MRF has been informing the EPA that the higher blend will be forced upon motorcyclists because of the remaining fuel in the hose from the previous customer. The EPA then said that a 4 four-gallon minimum purchase would be required by everyone. That was rolled back and an EPA document specifically mentions the work of the motorcycle rights organizations in the overturn of the mandatory minimum.

From the EPA: “However, groups representing motorcycle owners and lawn mower manufacturers objected to this configuration because their products have gas tanks that are normally two gallons or smaller. In response to these concerns, Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) developed and proposed a new configuration for EPA approval that retail stations may use as an alternative to the currently approved configurations.”
The solutions provided by the EPA is to label the pumps with attention getting labels that you are about to pump E-15 into your vehicle. Or purchase new blender pumps that only carry about .3 gallons or have a new pump with a dedicated E-15 hose. The first solution won’t work and the second two solutions are too expensive.

In another recent EPA document on the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) the EPA states: “The EPA will propose to use flexibilities in the RFS statute to reduce both the advanced bio fuel and total renewable volumes in the forthcoming 2014 RFS volume requirement proposal.”
The EPA also maintains that while ethanol will be the dominating renewable fuel, the marketplace for them is shrinking fast.
In a recent Wall Street Journal piece the author, US Representative Patrick Meehan, pointed out that the EPA’s position on the RFS was weak; “refusing to take action this year is a far too tepid response to this crisis. Next year may be too late.” said Representative. Meehan.

In order to stop the onslaught of higher ethanol blends the Motorcycle Riders Foundation asks that you support this important piece of legislation. HR 875 is a bill that would stop the sale of E-15 and includes a study on the actual effects on the power train of your vehicles.
Call the Capitol switchboard at (202) 224-3121 and ask to speak to your member of Congress and ask that they support this important legislation.find/

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35 Responses to “Feds to Motorcyclists. Pump E-15 Into Your bike And Go To Jail.”


  1. 1 CafeSportyTC Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    how bout this feds.. stop mandating rediculous fuel requirements and then we all wont have to worry about it … over-reaching B.s. from your government…

  2. 2 Jeffersonian Sep 5th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Defund the EPA. They have no purpose but to destroy.

  3. 3 LoneRider Sep 5th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Here’s a thought, lets just get rid of Ethanol for a mix in fuel, and stop subsidising the corn and alternative fuel fiasco. Just a thought.

  4. 4 Toby Sep 5th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Lets be clear that the requirements for including ethanol in fuel is a Federal statute passed back in the 2000’s. Refiners are required to purchase X amount for mixing depending on their sales with the percentages being phased in higher over a period of years. Also, various states require that all fuel have ethanol (some exceptions). The irony here is that the EPA is only permitted to create exceptions for this law which is why the congressman is all over them.

    As LoneRider pointed out it would be better to strike down this corporate (farm) welfare law and get rid of it altogether, but no politician will vote against a powerful farm lobby.

  5. 5 Matt W. Sep 5th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Noticing more “NO ETHANOL” banners and signs popping up in front of some gas stations. It’s news like this that makes me seek them out that much more.

  6. 6 domino Sep 5th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    What a freeekin mess ?!?!

  7. 7 Woody's Sep 5th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Stand by for updates as the “experts” pull more rules from a hat…

  8. 8 Chris Sep 5th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    I didn’t see anything in the article about going to jail for pumping E-15 into a bike? According to the MRF, the EPA says using the fuel is a violation of the law. The article states that the EPA is attempting to mitigate the potential damage caused by E-15 in non passenger vehicles by mandating changes to pumps to protect the next guy using the pump to fill up.

    I’m no fan of the EPA and I haven’t read the law (I doubt most Legislators have. You can trust the lawyers who wrote the law, right?) but there is nothing in the article that seems to support the alarmist tone of the title.

    Maybe somebody with enough time on their hands has read the bill. Perhaps they can provide some insight into the “jailing” of motorcyclists for using E-15.

  9. 9 Septic the Sceptic Sep 5th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Would rather push my bike that run it with that rubbish. Oh wait… I probably would be.

  10. 10 Patrick Sep 5th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Some motorcycles are passenger vehicles…some are not.

  11. 11 trike lady Sep 5th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Put it in a different pump the way that diesel fuel is dispensed.
    I wish they’d stop producing this garbage and go back to ‘Real’ gasoline.
    The damage this stuff does to small engines and all engines is not good.
    Take a carb apart that had this stuff in it, nothing like spending time rebuilding carbs.

  12. 12 Peet Sep 5th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Using food for fuel, just plain stupid.
    Does anybody out there remember the reason given for the establishment of the DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY during the Carter Administration?
    No?

    The ‘Department of Energy’ was instituted on

    8- 04-1977

    Department Of Energy Was To Lessen U.S. Dependence On Foreign Oil.

    http://politicalvelcraft.org/2010/12/10/jimbo-carters-department-of-energy-colossal-failure/

  13. 13 Rodent Sep 5th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Ethanol is an Al Gore rip off to support the farmers so they vote for the scumbag politicians

  14. 14 Rick Lossner Sep 6th, 2013 at 6:54 am

    Who in their right mind would even want to pump this crap into their bike?

  15. 15 Tim Sep 6th, 2013 at 6:57 am

    I agree w/ LoneRider, Lets stop taking our tax money giving it to multimillion dollar Agri-Corporations, stop using the least efficient fuel (Ethanol), Get rid of the EPA and Energy Dept, and Drill, Frack, siphon, or what ever it takes to get our oil from the reserves here in the continental USA and Alaska. On top of that Throw ANY of the parasites in Washington DC out of office who do not believe in using our resources for us and getting rid of Big Gobberment agencies that hobble American Business and Americans. I am not sorry to say but after the mess the current crop of Bozo’s have made, we need to take care of America first before there is not America.

  16. 16 BobS Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:28 am

    You guys crack me up. American farmer gets a tax cut for developing an American resource. I know you don’t want to get rid of his tax deals because that would be “punishing his success”. But since oil is a global commodity lets keep subsidizing it so our tax dollars end up in the Middle East and Venezuala. Great plan. Do yourself a favor. IF you put an ethanol blended gas in your bike, RIDE IT. If you let it sit in your garage where it gets polished more than it’s ridden, then get yourself some fuel stabilizer. This should be done regardless of wether there’s ethanol in the tank or not. Of course there’s one sure fire way to get rid of ethanol and oil subsidies, and we don’t even have to throw the bums out. (Cause we all know you’re going to keep sending your own bums back anyway). Everyone who hates ethanol or oil subsidies, and everyone who hates governement agencies trying to regulate what goes in a tank, just sell your bike and buy a Brammo or a Zero. Problem solved! Lol.
    Oh and p.s. Distilling corn into alcohol does not remove food from the food supply. The protiens that make the animals grow is left over and still fed to the animals. Which btw takes food out of the food supply. 8lbs of grain makes 1 lb of meat. So if you are actually worried about the food supply and not just regurgitating talk show BS, then vegetarianism increases the food supply by 8-fold.
    Now, off to go ride. Can’t say for sure if there’s ethanol in my tank or not. If there is it’s not left to sit long enough to break down and gum anything up anyway so I don’t really care.

  17. 17 dannyb278 Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Tim,
    Are you serious?

    ” Get rid of the EPA and Energy Dept, and Drill, Frack, siphon, or what ever it takes to get our oil from the reserves here in the continental USA and Alaska.”

    Do that and there will be no american countryside to ride your bike through, just a smoking industrial wastland. You talk about saving this country, but the methods you suggest would utterly destroy it.

    Your either completely ignorant of the effects of how rare earth minerals and energy is extracted from the planet, or your a multi-millionaire oil company executive. I’m going to guess the former.

    Read a book.

  18. 18 Boss Hawg Sep 6th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Do away with subsidies for all farmers and corporate welfare leaches…its all a pork barrel !

    If want to live, work, do business and sell your goods in the USA…then make a living like all good small business owners in the USA, price your goods to sell, be a good corporate citizen and pay the taxes as needed and no more.

    Use corn for its intended uses….food supplies and adult beverages…..make corn liquor like we do and have done here in the south for years and years and years…distilled correctly it doesn’t get any better…just ask a southerner in the know. No worry though, it does not have the time to “gum anything up” but your brain 😉 its processed faster than a hangover. Talking about high test…put a little splash of 190 proof in the tank….vroom vroom vroom.

    Boss Hawg

    .

  19. 19 BobS Sep 6th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Hey Boss, if I put a splash of 190 proof in the tank to make it go vroom vroom, how much would you suggest, 10%? Lol.

  20. 20 Doug Sep 6th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    BobS –

    Ethanol is stupid not b/c it takes food out of the food supply, but b/c it is inefficient holistically. By the time fields are tilled, corn is planted, grown, harvested, processed into fuel, then shipped…a lot of fuel & land has been used to get to that point. Compare that to algae which can be “grown” many other places and harvest rates are much more frequent.

    Boss Hawg…there are lots of other distilleries around the country producing great wheat-based & malted barley whiskeys now.

  21. 21 tholland Sep 6th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    As with most any discussion on the ethanol issue, there seems to be quite a few here that have done more than just ‘sample the kool-aide’. For every promoter of the program there is an equal if not greater number of scientists that debunk the theory.

    Now if someone can just tell me what that black fungus/mold-like growth is around the gas filler cap and what is it doing to my fuel delivery system.

    I do know that my bike has more power (seat of the pants test) and gets better fuel consumption on ‘pure gas’.

  22. 22 ROGUE Sep 6th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    How about the MRF Putting on a Ride To Washington to meet and talk to your legislator day?
    I believe they have done this with a few of their state reps But Nothing Big.
    If they do not want to do it because it might upset some in the legislator that they are supposed to be working with then it should be an opportunity for anyone who wants to do it.
    I do believe there is a large group of motorcyclist riding to Washington DC for 9/11. Might want to join them and organize a little ride around the capitol. If you do not want to be an organizer just say You are doing it and of course anyone who wants can just ride along

    It would be a great time for someone to Have A Party that always works.
    It has been a long time since the Bikers went to DC to complain about the Federal Government.
    I am talking about when the Feds Threatened To Withhold Highway Funds to States that Did Not Pass A Mandatory Helmet Law.
    After that ride the motorcycle riders had a hearing and the Feds removed the Blackmail Threat .Many states then became Freedom of Choice though others still have Mandatory Helmet Laws while some of them while still having the law have exemptions to them.
    You all have a choice Pro and Con, what do you want to do about it?

  23. 23 BobS Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Doug, interesting angle but not logical. Ethanol is neither smart nor stupid, it’s just a chemical. And we don’t just till, plant, harvest, and process corn to get ethanol. We are already tilling, planting, harvesting and processing it into cow food. But cows use the protien and shit out the sugars. By distilling the sugars first we are making something useful out of a waste product. As for energy used to make it, yes the Ag industry uses a lot of energy. But not as much as the energy industry does. It also takes a lot of energy to drill, pump, process, ship, bury, and repump fossil fuels.

    thollaand, not sure what you mean by “promote the program”. As mentioned, this isn’t a stupid/smart or good/bad issue. If you have a high compression, high performance machine ethanol makes a great fuel. If you have a low compression daily driver it does not make a great fuel. There is no theory to promote or debunk, put diesel fuel into an engine designed for it, put gasoline in an engine designed for it, and put ethanol in an engine designed for it. To do anything else or base claims about a fuels worthiness because of it’s effects in an engine not designed for it (try putting pure gas in a diesel truck)…now that would be stupid.

  24. 24 Terence Tory Sep 6th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Rick Lossner:”Who in their right mind would even want to pump this crap into their bike?”

    Me.Bikes run better on it.

  25. 25 burnout Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    5 of the 9 bikes in my shop are here for ethanol related problems. True it must be burned in a short amount of time but separation occurs within 48 hrs. My fuel injected car doesn’t care what I put in it but let it sit 2 weeks with ethanol and It runs like crap. peace

  26. 26 tholland Sep 7th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    @BobS….”The Program” being promoting ethanol fuels as the answer for America’s energy problems. And I don’t think that mainstream America is driving that “high performance machine”, in spite of “cash for clunkers”

  27. 27 nicker Sep 7th, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    After a trip through Canada all my fuel hoses had to be replaced.
    At 35 PSI fuel pressure, my scooter started to spurt fuel like a fire sprinkler (from places i didn’t know there were fuel hoses).

    The fuel cooking under my tank bag resolved the paint around the filler and the dissolved parts from what could only be gas pump innards clogged my fuel filter….. 🙂

    Turns out for older scooters E-(anything) is about as good an idea as the MTBE they pawned off on us in CA..

    -nicker-

  28. 28 JSDiamond Sep 9th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Jeff to government: Secure the borders, pick up the trash, and deliver my fuckin’ mail. Then go pack sand.

  29. 29 New York myke Sep 9th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Hey Dannyb278 Tim is right on! You really think there’ll be no countryside to ride through? Did anybody read you the story of Chicken Little when you where little boy? So the sky is not falling Dannyboy, but the American people who are voting for the slimy politicians selling this crap are falling for the bullshit that’s a big part of why this country is in a hole. “Read” is right but don’t be smitten just because its written! And do away with the EPA!!

  30. 30 J.H. Sep 9th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    Check and see which members of congress receive the most farm subsidies. Most have an R after their names. Also one acre of corn devours 4000 gallons of water a DAY..Drip gas which is condensed natural gas is a much better way to go. Growing up in San Angelo, Texas we had friends that worked at natural gas separation plants, we would use the drip gas in our race cars, dirt bikes and anything else.. Although the DPS knew about it and would smell your gas tank to see if you were using it-ticket time if caught on the street..Just saying that there are other alternatives to Ethanol

  31. 31 pokergolf420 Sep 10th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    How do I buy a minimum of 4 gallons when I have a 5 galon tank with about a 1 1/2 reserve? When I need buy gas, I buy gas. How do I plan to get gas at 4 gallons when I’m riding 300 miles through the desert and gas stations are few and far between?

  32. 32 tim Sep 10th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    I guess I upset some of the ALGORE crew sorry that facts get in the way # 1 it takes almost 1.5 gal of petroleum products to make 1 gal of ethanol # 2 the efficient ethanol is sugar ethanol which our gobberment does not allow #3 ethanol eats up rubber parts in motorcycle, fuel tanks in boats,and other parts of vehicles #4 ethanol burns at a lower temp then gasoline and is not as efficient many vehicles that get say 30 mpg on gas only get 27mpg with 10% #5 The world is NOT coming to an end #6 global warming from my F150 and F250 and HD’s is a hoax also driving a Prius is not going to help anything #7 I read plenty of books may I suggest reading Rules for Radical on how we got in this messs followed by Red Hot Lies then Agenda 21 Good Day

  33. 33 BobS Sep 10th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    LMAO @ Tim!

  34. 34 MK Sep 11th, 2013 at 6:33 am

    Being in the industry, I find many of the comments posted here on BOTH sides of the argument just a little inane. Ethanol does not need to be produced from food crops or on farms for that matter, so yes, it has been instituted to subsidize farmers, industrial farmers benefit the most. See those weeds growing along the sides of the highway? Ethanol can be made from those (which we waste precious fuel cutting down anyway.) E10 ethanol has wreaked havoc on fuel systems throughout the U.S., “Mercury Marine has found that it will start to break down in as little as 10 days! The alcohol in the fuel sucks moisture from the air. In a nutshell, the moisture leaves behind a residue that clogs up fuel systems, especially the idle circuits in carbs (generally being the smallest circuits). Over periods of non-use or even high use ethanol can plug-up all parts of the fuel system. You think a carb rebuild is expensive, try swallowing the cost of a proper injector system clean out. By the way, not all fuel stabilizers are created equal either, try and purchase the ones that don’t contain alcohol!

  35. 35 Axzy Sep 12th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Actually, facilities that can make ethanol from weeds are in their infancy. Crops like corn and sugar beets are still very much needed for mass production of ethanol. And even when weeds can be used, it will take a lot more than ditchweed to fulfill the need. Farms that now grow corn and soybeans will switch over to basically free-to-produce switchgrass with its much, much lower input cost- weeds grow like weeds, you know?

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