Legal Troubles For Jesse James

Jesse James is facing 2 lawsuits. The 1st one, filed in July by Michael Jones, alleges that he commissioned Jesse James “West Coast Choppers” to build him a 1949 Cadillac Sedanette for somewhere between $250,000 and $350,000. But, according to Jones, after James requested more money to complete the project and shelling out a total of $422,680 , the car wasn’t completed after a 2-year wait, James tellig him now that the car would cost between $600-700k! Jones is suing for breach of verbal and written contracts and for fraud and asking for the $422,680 he eventually sunk into the car as well as interest, damages and court costs. The second lawsuit filed September 3, 08 by his former lawyer is asking Jesse James to pay $327,533 + interests in unpaid fees for agreed services rendered regarding intellectual property rights, oversight of trademark use and protection, retention of foreign-based counsel, etc.

40 Responses to “Legal Troubles For Jesse James”

  1. 1 Nitrous Phil Sep 7th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    I’ve heard many a tale about people not getting what they went into believing they would get from Mr. James. Too bad its come to legal issues.
    Hope his customers get what they paid for.
    Nitrous Phil

  2. 2 Nicker Sep 7th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    We, as they say….

    “… a man’s gotta know his limitations…”


  3. 3 Brad Sep 7th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Jesse. Borrow money from Sandra (sign iou’s)) and pay off all your debts. And don’t think anymore you can ask any price for your work. It’s not better than any other builder’s work.

  4. 4 jspfc Sep 7th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    That is some serious jack to owe people. I guess he should quit being a hypocrite and as he says:

    “Pay Up Sucker”

  5. 5 Gar Sep 7th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    To quote myself from another Jesse James item on this blog:

    “…..Sounds to me like Jesse’s ego meter and bank account may be running a tad low. What next a Jesse Game Show? If I could yawn in writing I would do so now…… ”

    I rest my case!

    Gar out!

  6. 6 rodent Sep 8th, 2008 at 7:34 am

    The bigger they are the harder they fall….Jesse, go hold up a bank… but watch out for Mr. Ford.

  7. 7 AC Sep 8th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    This might explain why JJ is willing to offer himself up as a crash test dummy for his new TV show! Happy landings JJ!!!!

  8. 8 Ken Glenn (Rat Judge) Sep 8th, 2008 at 9:33 am

    As a builder I constantly face customers that during the build ask ” could you also do this and that ” and are shocked to see it was added to the original total. This is a two way street. Before I would make any judgments I would need to see all sides to the story. When a business man takes a hard line for his customers to ” Pay up Sucker “, they are usually the same way when they feel they are treated unjustly. They also feel the same way about paying when they feel it justified.

  9. 9 bcarter Sep 8th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Who knew. Seems like everyone falls from grace at some time or another. It’s all a matter of timing.

  10. 10 Nick Sep 8th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    There is always two sides to a story.
    And customers have a strong case of the I Want’s, with out considering the cost factors.
    Before everyone is so quick to judge what does a custom car from Jimmy Shine or ????
    You are all aware of Jessie’s work Its some of or probably the best most of us have seen (original creative one of a kind).
    Bottom line if you want to run with the big dogs$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  11. 11 hoyt Sep 8th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Gar quotes himself while at the same time states something about egos….?

    It is very strange the number of comments that jumped to conclusions when you couldn’t be any further from either side.

  12. 12 Jeff Nicklus Sep 8th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Least we all forget, just because litigation has been filed against Jesse that certainly does not condemn him as being guilty of any wrong doing. Anyone can file a lawsuit at any time against any other person or company …. it means nothing. Lets all let a jury rule on the merits of the Plaintiffs case before we gather under the lynching tree.

    If Jesse is at fault in the matter of the car build, shame on him. I deal with high end bikes and “tightly strung” customers every day …… they all want something more than what was originally agreed upon and often times they have no idea just how expensive those changes can be. Personally I have no problem making additional changes as after all I am building the bike expressly for the client, however, ALWAYS, and I do mean ALWAYS those changes are clearly spelled out in a “Change Order”. The requested changes and the agreed upon price to make such changes are very clearly defined in black and white for all to see. Further, ALL change orders are paid in full at the time of execution of the change order thereby avoiding any later “he said-she said” litigation.

    Whatever the case lets let Jesse get his day in court.

    Over & Out,


  13. 13 d00d Sep 8th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    350k for a CAR is crazy let alone 700k? JJ: What an ego maniac (buyer and JJ). That’s like paying 100+k for a bike! Whoops

    And the guy who was buying the car! Some people have to much money. Get a grip people, take that cash and create some more jobs. Maybe come up with some bike parts the working man can afford. Who knows you might make more money! Maybe even help employ the poor with jobs that pay a decent wage. NOOOO That would be helping the country recover from this crappy recession. EAT THE RICH.

  14. 14 Gar Sep 8th, 2008 at 4:09 pm


    Bet you have a Osama Obama bumper sticker on your gas guzzler don’t you? “Let’s steal from the rich and give to the liberals” ….. what a war cry that is!

    If someone wants a Million $$$$ car or bike or boat or airplane or office building etc., and they can afford to pay for it where do you get off giving them crap for it? Maybe if some of the “needy” in this country would get off their welfare feed asses and get a job they would be better off.

    I am so tired of hearing the “poor me, poor me” and blaming everyone else for their failures crap. Since when is it the “Governments” responsibility to see that everyone is financially equal in this country? Robin Hood was a fictional character my friend! Get a life …. Better yet get a grip!

    Gar Out!

  15. 15 GAMBLER Sep 8th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    arm band tattoo’s are gayness

  16. 16 Conrad Nicklus Sep 8th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Gar, good lord man.. I feel you on this one!!!


    ” working man “..I am a working man, my father is a working man, Jesse is a working man, Cyril is a working man. Becareful how you use the term “working man”…..Just because you see people that have more than you and others doesnt mean they dont work it usually means they WORK HARDER TO BE THAT MAN.

  17. 17 Jerry Sep 8th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    The lawyer bills are going to be more difficult to challenge.

  18. 18 bob Sep 8th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    whats up with the original cost being (at the highest) $350,000, and the guy paying out 422,000?

    Why would you give him an extra $72,000?

    Not that Jesse and his guys dont do great work, but he couldve pulled his car out when the extra 72,000 was requested.

    America is sue happy.

    Lawsuits suck.

  19. 19 hoyt Sep 8th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Once again, Gar shows his inept grasp of politics. Don’t even associate dood’s whining with liberal economics.

    The Obama tax plan would provide more tax relief to a whole lot more people than McCain’s plan, giving them more disposable income.

    The more money a larger group of people have to spend, the better chances the few (relatively-speaking) at the top will have to cash in on even with raised taxes for their bracket. If the economy is strong for the masses, then the rich will do better too. Its more of a win-win than the Republican plan.

  20. 20 Gar Sep 9th, 2008 at 10:08 am


    Nothing better than a good ol’ tax and spend liberal to make things right with the world huh? I’ll bet some more taxing of the rich will even cure acne right? I think I am going to puke!

    Please don’t insult my intelligence by referring me to the Obama site or the liberal know nothing media for info ….. I deal with the real world not some socialist want-the-world-to-be bull crap.

    Gar Out

    PS: I loved watching a good military man in action with the flanking move move with the announcement as Palin as the next US VP, Osama Obama is still confused by that one. I suppose Oprah didn’t give him the heads up on that one. The Obama camp doesn’t even know how to deal with that now do they? Gotta love it!

  21. 21 hoyt Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Gar: ” I deal with the real world”

    Then, you should not have a problem understanding the basic foundation of Obama’s plan.

    The first thing people do with more disposable income is spend some and, then save some money.

    The more people doing that, the better chance the economy will respond for everyone.

    Gar – you have no substance to anyone’s rebuttal of your false claims and accusations.

    The facts about the differences between the tax plans have been confirmed by more than the media.

    Speaking of the media and your VP candidate:

    There is a brutal amount of hypocrisy going on within McCain’s campaign, the Republican party, and your Fox News….

    Be sure to view the entire clip to see:

    1. Karl Rove
    2. Nancy Pfotenhauer, McCain’s senior Policy Advisor – imagine the double standards she will have with other topics. No wonder McCain doesn’t know what he’s said one month to the next…

    Why has Palin been kept out of the media for going on a week? If she is experienced, why is she not allowed to answer questions?

  22. 22 hoyt Sep 9th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    At the 2:59 time interval of the clip below, Gov Palin asks, what does the Vice President of the US do every day?

    This is from someone who attended 4 different colleges* in 6 years to earn her degree in Journalism.

    *one of the colleges she attended two different times, making for a 5th transfer

  23. 23 Nicker Sep 9th, 2008 at 3:45 pm


    Looking over the Obama plan, one is overcome by a sense of “de ja vu.”

    Like LBJ’s Great Society or War On Poverty….. No thanks, been there, done that.

    But, a politician with disdain for the trappings of political power? Now that’s real “Change”….!!!

    So, yes, gimmy the lady who sells her governor’s jet because its an unnecessary expense.

    And let the hack from the Daily Machine go back to his Chicago buddies.


  24. 24 hoyt Sep 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    nicker – “But, a politician with disdain for the trappings of political power? Now that’s real “Change”….!!!”

    Palin does NOT have disdain for any “trappings of political power”. She has been owned by the republican party from the day she ran for mayor of wasilla. GOPAC has their hand in your ladies’ political “extensive” career. She is no maverick no matter how tight your blinders are screwed on.

    “What does the VP do everyday?” – Sarah Palin. It is the clip with nothing taken out of context:

    click over to the 2:59 time slot:

    Everyone on the planet knows what the fucking republican “Daily Machine” would be doing if the Democratic candidate said something as fucking stupid as that.

    She is running for the Vice President of the US and she asks “what does the VP do everyday?” Like it is some fucking summer job as though this 2nd-runnerup-beauty-contestant winner wants to be sure it is to her liking.

    This was less than 2 months ago. No fucking wonder she hasn’t been answering questions in the past week.

    What is the worst part? She says, “I want someone to tell me what the VP does everyday”

    She should attend a gradeschool civics class and show some initiative to find out for herself, then report back in another 18-22 years.

    Better yet? McCain says, “I need no on the job training.” Well guess what…your running mate wants you or someone else to tell her what the fuck she could be doing every day.

    Your expectations are low. Tom Ridge isn’t a more qualified candidate?

  25. 25 J Sep 9th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    LOL- yes Hoyt- I forgot that Osama has the power to overcome the basic laws of Economics- silly me…. You spout this stuff almost like you actually believe it- how sad……

    Enjoy your ivory tower- I hear the breeze is lovely this time of year…….

  26. 26 Gar Sep 9th, 2008 at 6:45 pm


    I believe this Hoyt character really believes this bullshit. WOW! Maybe he should have watched the Discovery Channel instead of the Dem’s Convention!


    Question: Was there a Government Social Program in existence today that Osama didn’t hit on and promise more of in his acceptance speech at the convention? Just wondering…. seems like he hit most of them!

    Gotta run now and send some more money to the RNC!

    Gar Out

  27. 27 hoyt Sep 9th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    J & Gar –

    You’ve offered zero references to refute the above publications about the tax programs. What is there to ‘believe’ from you?

    Here’s the cliffnote version for you this time….

  28. 28 J Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:54 pm


    I proffered no references, actually; My post spoke only to your obvious grasp of logic. If I had three hours and a license to practice psychiatry, I could perhaps help you to understand applicable domestic economic policy, regardless of party affiliiation.

    At the end of the day- unless you’re truly deaf, dumb, and blind- voters will realize that Obama offers the same old spend-side economic plan as touted since the Carter administration. There is nothing original in the Obama proposal, and there really isn’t any mystery to the only possible solution: promote GDP by cutting taxes. Obama’s proposals- while incomplete and vague- take a conservative walk through the usual Democratic rhetoric.

    Tart it up any way you wish, but you can’t spend you way out of a hole.

    Reference? Nah, then I’d have to say who I am…….

  29. 29 Conrad Nicklus Sep 10th, 2008 at 3:28 am


    I have been holding off for long enough now.This is the comment that hit me “Obama’s plan”. Do describe his plan!! His plan of action is this; He is BLACK, he has very little skill on anything political, he comes from Muslim origin (arent we fighting them right now?), he doesnt know jack shit and has to back track now because he dug himself a grave with the stupid books he PAID PEOPLE to write for him and ,MY GRAND FINALLY, He doesnt solute our soldiers, hold his hand on his heart for our NATIONAL ANTHEM and he has spent a total of 6 WEEKS IN SENATE, yes ladies and gentlemen 6 WEEKS…that is it. The guy is a bitch, he is only in the running for 2 reasons…He is BLACK being one and he has a bunch of stupid feel sorry for me for putting African Americans through slavery people with money backing him. (mind you slavery ended, what, some 150 years ago? find me one single african american who has EVER dealt with slavery that is still alive to this day and MAYBE just MAYBE I would feel al ittle bad but until then no I do not because I never had slaves and never would.)…The END you lost, We win cut your losses while you can and walk away man.



  30. 30 Nicker Sep 10th, 2008 at 3:44 am


    Compared to what a Governor does, the VP doesn’t do “Jack”
    She can do that job standing on her head.

    “…She has been owned by the republican party …”

    So it was the GOP who told her to rat out Republican Senator Ted Stevens….????

    This must be another Progressive stunt like Al-gor’s SUV caused Global warming.
    A universally agreed upon fact,

    About the only “inconvenient truth” being that in:
    2007 – 400 Scientists submitted a petition denouncing the idea.
    2007 – 1500 Scientists bailed out on the Global Climate Conference for the same reason.
    2008 – 31K Scientists Petitioned against Kyoto.
    And just last week the Ausi expert comes out and says that trying to do something about this natural occurrence is like pissing into the wind.

    But the Progressives still think that Kucinich’s filing Impeachment articles against Bush for not signing Kyoto is just peachy-keen….???

    Dude, you really need to get a grip….. Seriously!.


  31. 31 Gar Sep 10th, 2008 at 8:27 am

    Well that about covers that now doesn’t it?

    Gar out

  32. 32 hoyt Sep 10th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Conrad Nicklus writes: “His plan of action is this; He is BLACK, he has very little skill on anything political, he comes from Muslim origin (arent we fighting them right now?), ”

    Very little skill on anything political? Ask the unemployed, discouraged steel workers in south Chicago if his efforts were not skillful. There was no “socialism” going on. Obama got them to stand up and take a lead. He didn’t stand in front. He stood among them. He was 23-24 years old.

    Obama had every chance to take the high paying jobs that he earned, but instead he organized communities for 2-3 years before going to Harvard Law School. This was 6 years before Palin ran for her 1st political office: city council of Wasilla, AK.

    Obama eventually became the first black to be head of the Harvard Law Review. That takes political skill.

    He worked as a Civil Rights attorney, State Senator, and US Senator, and won the Democratic Pres. nomination. That takes political skill regardless of your biased view.

    Conrad – your ignorance has also shown vividly with your references to slavery.

    The “end of slavery”. So, you are saying from that point forward society has been on equal ground for minorities, including women? Women have only been allowed to vote in this country for 88 years. You’ve heard of the Civil Rights movement, right?

    Conrad states, “Aren’t we fighting them (Muslims) right now?”

    If we are, why are there mosques throughout this country operating freely? “shut them down!!!” right? fuck.

    You are a walking contradiction. The guy that goes on about the flag sits there and states we are fighting a religion. Freedom of Religion ring a bell? And, no Nicker, I am not ignoring the problems within the Muslim faith, just addressing who we are fighting in terms of who attacked us. And by the way, Obama has worn the flag lapel and crossed his heart during the anthem, so get your nickers out of your ass already about that topic.

    Obama is a christian by faith and was raised as a christian…. if that matters to anyone that respects our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    Conrad Nicklus writes, ” I would feel a little bad but until then no I do not because I never had slaves and never would”.

    Do you ignore the society-driven lack of equal opportunities just because YOU have not had slaves?

    Conrad writes, “The END you lost, We win cut your losses while you can and walk away man.”

    Not by a long shot. Tell me you would not be angry & laughing all at once if a member of any other political campaign, who was running for the Vice Presidency, asked, “What does the VP do everyday?” This was about 2 months prior to her nomination.

    You, Nicker, J, and any other McCain supporter should face that double-standard. If you can’t, then you are lying to yourself and that is your fucking hypocritical problem.

    Nicker writes, “So it was the GOP who told her to rat out Republican Senator Ted Stevens….????”

    She very well could have been told by the GOP to do that, in not so many words. She’s been bred by GOPAC to be a Republican, so they are vested in her success. This is not a surprise to you, right?

    In the same publication that you read about Ted Stevens, you very well could have read that Palin saw the opportunity to be a “reformer”. This does not by itself make someone a reformer. She changed her mind about the Bridge to Nowhere once national exposure was not favorable. Had there not been other people to call bullshit, how much money would have she spent on that project?

    Alaska is one of the highest recipients of earmark money per capita than any other state, yet she & McCain say they’re against them.

    Nicker, your post rambles on about environmental topics. If human activity has not had any input on climate change, then who or what is harvesting fossil fuels? Taking huge amounts of fossil fuels from within the ground & sea and putting its by-product into the atmosphere. Common sense says there will be some result of this scale of transfer.

    For every stat you ramble on about climate change, there are more to counter it. And so what? Why do have a problem with conservation of oil ? Why do you have a problem with creating competition for energy? Yet another contradiction in your outlook. “Don’t stand in the way of ‘Big business’ “, but you have a problem with energy competition?

    Nicker writes: “Compared to what a Governor does, the VP doesn’t do “Jack”
    She can do that job standing on her head.”

    The VP doesn’t do “jack”? Not according to “Go-fuck-yourself” current VP, Dick Cheney. Oh wait, maybe Palin will look into banning this blog for quoting Cheney’s offensive language?

    By your comment, Nicker, you don’t seem to have too high expectations for that government position, the well-paid position and all of the expenses that go with it. Don’t republicans claim a “small government policy”. If the VP doesn’t “do jack” by your logic, then why have them in a “small government” mindset?

    Reminder: McCain is 72 years old. We’ve all seen before and after pictures of past presidents. The rigors of this job takes its toll. IF he gets elected, he better be up to the challenge day-in-and-day out for 4 years. That expectation should be on everyone’s mind, regardless of the candidate or party-affiliation. And if the # 1 person cannot carry-on for whatever reason, the #2 person better not be asking, “what does a VP do everyday?” with a “2nd-runnerup-beauty-contestant” tone.

    J thinks he responded with an impartial political affiliation response (along with drivel about psychiatry) but then proceeds to make 2 references to Democrats. Then, he hides and does not provide references.

    All of you tried to introduce something else into this conversation except answer my rebuttals to Gar’s original off-topic comment above. NONE of you have written anything to refute my comments to Gar, especially with respect to the hypocrisy surrounding the GOP’s nomination.

    That about covers it

  33. 33 deacon Sep 10th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    so….what is the latest on jesse?

    and what is going on with billy lane?

  34. 34 bob Sep 10th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    i thought this was about jesse james.


  35. 35 Gar Sep 10th, 2008 at 10:16 pm


    Dude, you are totally and absolutely full of crap! Totally! You are eaten up with a case of “I am a tree hugging, fish kissing, tax and spend Liberal”. I know, I know —- this is really you Osama Obama isn’t it! Man, you have been fronted out! Drop the alias name and use your own name.

    Get used to the fact that Osama Obama and his co-conspirator Joe Bin Biden will have their political ass handed to them in November. Then you idiots can boo-hoo and recount and say how another Republican stole yet another election. O.K., you are excused now and you may go set in the corner and worry about global warming or the plight of the spotted owls or write some other “Anti-religion” article. Yes, I read some of the bullcrap on your website.

    Keep up the good work Nicker, J and Conrad!

    Gar Out

  36. 36 Nicker Sep 11th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    “…She very well could have been told by the GOP …”

    Sure…. And Aria-51 “could” be hiding extra celestial space craft.

    “…you don’t seem to have too high expectations for that government position…”

    Well, ya…..i’m consistent. I no longer have high expectations of ANY government positions.
    Comes with working in that environment for damned near 40 years.

    “…Nicker, your post rambles on about environmental topics…”

    Hmmmm… thought i was being rather concise.
    Just pointing out a precedent for yet another Progressive positions crumbling in the face of reality.

    “…. Common sense says there will be some result …”
    OK, so may be some one’s “common sense” does. But at the rate scientists are jumping ship soon there won’t be too many left to back up “The Cause.”

    The Ausi expert (after reading the thing) not only bailed out on Kyoto, he also said that the at the current cost of Home Photovoltaic Systems there is no payback for the “Average” user (not my words, but his).

    Look, i’m well over 60. About the only things that really push my buttons are people forcing me to do ANYTHING, Stupidity, and Laziness. I don’t get really angry about much any more.
    I’ve figured out that i can’t do anything about Stupidity or Laziness.
    And over the years i’ve figured out ways around most of the stuff people try to make me do.

    The trick is….. get some years under your belt.
    Trust me, it’ll give ya a totally different perspective…… 🙂


  37. 37 Meatwad Sep 11th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    HOYT : Do you ignore the society-driven lack of equal opportunities just because YOU have not had slaves?

    Brother I have news for you, I am a minority and I can tell you that I have a whole hell of a lot more opportunities than most whites. It is people like you and the Dem party that keep telling us that we have to depend on the goverment and that all rich white people are bad. Most of them did this thing called work to get there, and why should anyone share his wealth and support my ass because I dont want to get off my ass and either learn a trade or just find a job, even if it just shoveling shit. Look at JJ he was a low life kid that learned a skill and busted his ass and made a name for himself. That shit isnt going to happen by sitting on your ass with free insurance and welfare.

  38. 38 hoyt Sep 11th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Gar – You proved that you do not have anything to write to refute my comments about the hypocrisy of the Palin nomination.

    None of you have. You all have run from your hypocrisy.

    Gar writes, “anti-religion crap”. What the fuck are you talking about? Freedom of Religion is not conditional according to your perspective of the world and does not mean “anti-religion”. The Consitution and Bill of Rights is as point blank as you can get:

    “The right to exercise one’s own religion, or no religion, free from any government influence or compulsion “.

    Franklin Pierce, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Rutherford B Hayes, were all Presidents with no church affiliation.

    Meatwad – don’t fucking put words in my writing that I did not put there to begin with. No one said anything about fucking handouts except Dood above.

    Your outlook of the Democratic party being socalist is wrong and you are buying into the Republican smeer that it is. The tax plans put forth by Democrats have favored the working class more than the Republican tax plans. Where are the handouts?

    Won’t it be funny once McCain gets sick of Palin getting all of the “celebrity” attention and has a temper tantrum? Never before has a VP taken precendence over the main candidate. What is even more pathetic? She’s taken the limelight while she is by his side because they don’t trust her ability to answer questions on the campaign trail alone! (ok, we’ll give her credit for her trip home today, except there STILL were no reporters.

    The “change” campaign message from McCain?

    First, he is a little late with that platform, copycat.
    Second, is he changing himself? He must be since his voting record is in favor of Bush the majority of the time.

    “I want somone to tell me, ‘What does a VP do all day’?” – Sarah Palin

  39. 39 hoyt Sep 11th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    The Washington Post had a good article yesterday entitled, “In Hunt for Bin Laden, a New Approach”. The Washington Post is considered to be a respected, right-of-center publication.

    Obama did not vote for the Iraq Invasion.
    McCain did vote for the Iraq Invasion.

    Here are excerpts:

    1. “Another major obstacle (in finding bin laden) has been the war in Iraq.”

    2. “Officials with the CIA and the U.S. military said they began shifting resources out of Afghanistan in early 2002 and still haven’t recovered from that mistake.”

    3. “Iraq was a fundamental wrong turn. That was the most strategically negative action that was taken,” said John O. Brennan, a former deputy executive director of the CIA and a former chief of the National Counterterrorism Center. “The collective effort in the government required to go after an individual like bin Laden — the Iraq campaign consumed that.”

    4. “Cofer Black, director of the CIA’s counterterrorism center from 1999 to 2002, was a key player in the hunt for al-Qaeda and well known in Washington for his give-no-quarter approach. “When we’re through with them, they will have flies walking across their eyeballs,” he told Bush shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks.

    In an interview last month, however, Black echoed concerns expressed by other officials that the U.S. government had paid too little attention to the “hearts and minds” of people living along the Afghan-Pakistani border, many of whom have reinforced their allegiance to the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

    “This may sound strange coming from a flies-on-the-eyeballs guy, but the most important thing is support and aid to local leaders and the population,” Black said. “If you don’t have that, you can put in all the divisions you want, and it won’t matter.”

    5. “Afrasiab Khattak, a Pashtun politician based here in the northwestern city of Peshawar, said Pakistani forces would occasionally help the CIA capture second-string al-Qaeda figures, but only to keep the aid money flowing from Washington.

    “The Bush administration deceived itself,” he said. “From the very beginning, the Pakistani generals were playing a double game. It was an open secret.”

  40. 40 hoyt Sep 11th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
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