My Prediction. Barack Obama Will Win By A Landslide.

Tuesday November 4th, 11.25 AM EST.

You ask me all the time and I repeat that I will not post here my political preference. But at least I can give you my prediction. Obama will win the presidency by a landslide. He is also going to win in my swing state of Florida.

Let’s see…Then tomorrow I am back to motorcycles.

138 Responses to “My Prediction. Barack Obama Will Win By A Landslide.”

  1. 1 Jeff Nicklus Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:41 pm


    It isn’t often that I would disagree with your thoughts but in this case I pray you are wrong, even though I fear you are not.

    Over & Out,


  2. 2 Missy Scott Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    My home state of Virginia will be telling. It hasn’t gone Democratic in a presidential race since the 60s, though did elect the nations’s first black governor (Democrat Doug Wilder) in the 80s.

    I think it will go Obama.

  3. 3 Knucklehead Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    I am praying with you Jeff. His will be done.

  4. 4 Jeff Nicklus Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    I don’t think Obama stands a chance in Texas but who knows? I just know I am ready to get this election over with and get back to business in the United States!!!!!!

    Over & Out,


  5. 5 Brad Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Cyril. I agree with you. A new face, a new hope, a new respected America. Don’t stop voting for Obama even if you think like me that Cyril is right. You never know..

  6. 6 Nancy B. Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Did you notice around you. Nobody feels like working today. The most interesting election of my life. Cyril, I think you are going to be proven right. A courageous statement that you made online. In addition of his fresh ideas, Obama’s victory will be due to his remarkable internet strategy. Obama is extremely smart.

  7. 7 Gar Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Nancy B,

    ….”remarkable internet strategy”……

    ….”Obama is extremely smart.”……

    I think I am going to punk …. you are such a Geek!

    Obama’s campaign was well handled which doesn’t make him smart. He is nothing more than a puppet of the Democratic Party and socialist leaders around the world. Now with the death of his Grandmother he will likely pick up some sympathy votes as well. It is indeed sad that this woman has passed and my sincere condolences go out to Obama and his family, however, you must admit that as unfortunate as her death is her timing couldn’t have been better. The conspiracy nuts will have a hay day with this one. By the way, does anyone know where Osama was at the time of his Grandmothers death? Just curious.

    God help us all if this guy is elected.

    Gar Out

  8. 8 Rhoades Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Something funny I heard on a radio station (Rock not Talk) here in AZ this morning.

    They said @ 6:00 am this morning the majority of voters in line were McCain supporters. That’s because the McCain supporters had to vote early so they could make it to WORK!

    The Obama supporters will vote later in the day so they don’t have to go into work! Just like Nancy B said above.

  9. 9 Gar Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:03 pm


    Obama supporters don’t do mornings. LOL

    Gar Out

  10. 10 Nancy B. Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    No, it’s because Obama supporters are smarter and pre-voted.

  11. 11 James(Kiwi) Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    we ave our elections here on Saturday and they appear very ho-hum compared to yours and not as important to the world monetary fund.
    The Bankers want the USA out of the Iraq war.It is sending the US broke.It has cost over 30 trillion Dollars and it is about a billion a week at the moment.
    The Chinese are enjoying lendind the USA money to fight the war.Waiting for you to go broke.
    All this information is on CNN and all your other news channels.

    The free world needs an economicaly healthy USA. As does the Citizens of the USA.

    We in the rest of the world marveled at how someone as dum as Bush was allowed to go looking for weapons of mass emptiness and nealy send you broke.

    You need Obama to get you out of your second vietnam.Easy to win the war.Expensve to maintain occupation.Ask Hitler and the old USSR.

    Good luck to all the Citizens of the USA.May you and your your country prosper.

    We sure as hell need you to!!!!!

    Take Care James

  12. 12 Nicker Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm


    “… A new face, a new hope, a new respected America …”

    What hope?
    Hope to be living in an “internationalized” America run by a Progressive Organizer….???
    Hope for a “third wold economy”…….???

    You want Obama…? OK so:
    -Get ready for the fairness doctrine.
    -No more 1st, 2nd, or 22nd amendments.
    -If your in the middle class get ready for massive wealth redistribution.

    Clinton waited till the end of his last term to float a trial balloon changing the law for a third term.
    Word on the street is Obama is already sounding out that possibility.
    Don’t know if it’s true….. but there it is.

    The radio just reported that Black Panthers (one with a night stick) are intimidating voters in Philly.

    Welcome to “Change” in America……… 🙂

    You need Obama to get you out of your second Vietnam.Easy to win the war.Expensive to maintain occupation.Ask Hitler and the old USSR.

  13. 13 Jeremy Stout Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Nicker. All what you say is blah, blah, blah…Do you suffer from paranoia?

  14. 14 Nicker Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:50 pm


    “…You need Obama to get you out of your second Vietnam.Easy to win the war.Expensive to maintain occupation.Ask Hitler and the old USSR….”

    Certainly Obama will make it look exactly like Vietnam. He will ensure the Third WW battle in Iraq (what a British paper recently reported as a victory) turns in favor of 9th Century Islam.


  15. 15 Brandon Holman Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Viva Obama, our next president.

  16. 16 Nicker Nov 4th, 2008 at 3:01 pm


    “…nicker…..Do you suffer from paranoia?…”

    Well, OK…… If you perceive Reality as Paranoia……. then yes.
    And remember, just because you think i’m “paranoid,” doesn’t mean they ain’t after me…. 🙂

    “… all you say is blah, blah, blah…”

    Well…. it should be obvious (even to you) at this juncture that
    i don’t “suffer” fools lightly………. 🙂


  17. 17 James(Kiwi) Nov 4th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    It is sad when a citizen of another country cares more for the USA that you do.And also appears to understand it better as well.
    Iraq is wasting precious lives and destroying your economy.No Empire lasts forever it is just that some people want the USA to be strong unlike yourself!!

    Did you ever watch Rome burn.Maybe you are a reincarnation……..

  18. 18 MAS Nov 4th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Just as Knucklehead said, “His will be done.” Therefore, whoever wins this election it will have been God’s will. Right? And since it’s God’s will and He is the Supreme Being everyone who invokes his name in prayer and believes in Him will have to accept whoever wins as God’s choice. Right? It seems to me then that if you truly believe that McCain is the right choice and that you’re so in touch with your religious souls that you know God must think he is the right choice too, then you have nothing to worry about. On the other hand, if God picks Obama today will you be a true servant of God and back his choice? If not, then quit praying that His will be done. Fair enough?

  19. 19 harry Nov 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    I say lay the cards on the table and whatever happens, happens. As I mentioned in another blog, lets wait till November 5th and argue then. All of the disagreements, arguments and opinions don’t mean dammit until the final results are in. We know where McCain and Obama stand, cast your vote and let it ride and hope for the best for the candidate that you voted for.

  20. 20 Nicker Nov 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pm


    “… Viva Obama…”

    Apparently you too saw the picture of Obama headquarters in Texas with a poster of Guevara on the wall.

    And also “Viva SDS”, “viva Weather underground,” and tomorrow well all be singing “The International” instead of the Star Spangled Banner.

    Now that what i call “Change”…… 🙂


  21. 21 Gar Nov 4th, 2008 at 3:33 pm


    One must ask themself does anyone here in this country give a flying damn what someone who is not a citizen of The United States of America thinks of our internal workings? I sure as hell don’t. Keep your nose and your opinions to yourself. Maybe we should invade New Zealand and occupy your ass?

    Gar Out

  22. 22 Nicker Nov 4th, 2008 at 3:35 pm


    “… some people want the USA to be strong unlike yourself!!…”

    Yes, those around the world who understand the history of GAT and how the world economy was structured around post WW-II trade…
    They want the US to continue in that role. But (unlike me) they want it mainly because they know their Wealth is tied to the process.

    Dude, if i didn’t want “the US to be strong” i would never have volunteered to go to Vietnam (for two combat tours).

    And by the way, i WAS NOT a US citizen at the time……

    “…citizen of another country cares more for the USA …”

    Yes, like me, many care about the US because its the shining light of Freedom. Not because it has a great standard of living (which it does).

    Without the US to set an example they would feel hopeless. They could never even dream of “change” to a free society where thy now live. But the US keeps that hope alive.

    “…. Did you ever watch Rome burn….”

    No i’m not quite that old………..reincarnation…. 🙂
    (although on days like this i feel like it)

    Am i a reincarnation…..???? Well…. of Vlad the impailer….. maybe….???


  23. 23 Nicker Nov 4th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    OK guys, it’s been fun….
    but i got a 25 foot christmas tree to build.
    That ain’t getting done here.


  24. 24 James(Kiwi) Nov 4th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Hi Gar,
    Well we were in Veitnam and korea too and are in Afghanastan ,But not Iraq.
    If the USA invaded NZ I would have no problems at all.
    Might beable to get parts easier for my Jeep,Chevy and HD’s…. LOL.

    The World is now a very small place.And like it or not we are all part of it.

    Ps on the way over could you bring some of those S&S cams I’m saving up for.

    Have a good day! I know I am


  25. 25 MAS Nov 4th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    A person only has to look at what’s happened to the global markets over the past several weeks to get a general understanding that we live in a global economy. If it weren’t for a good reputation (and a good GDP) the rest of the world would have stopped loaning us money a long time ago. For that reason alone I do think we need to give a “flying damn” about what the rest of the world thinks of the U.S.A. Don’t get me wrong, as a country we have the wherewithal to go it alone; we just wouldn’t enjoy the standard of living as we have it today. We need the rest of the globe as much as they need us.

    Gar, if you want to go to New Zealand and occupy James’ ass, you go right ahead. Sorry James, but I doubt it will hurt much.

  26. 26 Adam Costa Nov 4th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Gar, like all republicans, use fear as ultimate conviction tool. It doesn’t work anymore. McCain /Palin campaign was horrible. Only personal attacks & lies (that Gar repeats). Tonight, they will pay the price. Like Cyril I predict a big defea by McCain, a big big one. Obama has creative ideas, intelligence and class. McCain is an old grumpy and arrogant politician. All the world supports Obama, There is a good reason. They want a strong America. As stated in a former post, other countries need us like we need them. Stop this stupid Iraq war. Save the money for our country expansion. Bush & Cheney destroyed America. McCain is not worth much better. Elect Obama. It will take him the next 4 years to stabilize & reform the system, 4 more years to make us prosper again. Thanks God, we have a candidate called Obama who is going to win.

  27. 27 Tom Binyon Nov 4th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    Once again, you all have made my day! No matter which candidate you endorse, your passion is exhilarating, and speaks volumes for the democracy we all enjoy.

    Our democracy works best when passion and emotion are at their highest. At the end of the day, a perfect democracy would have 100% voter turn-out and the winner would be determined by one vote. That way, all have participated and have, in essence, created a near perfectly balanced democracy.

    What we must fear, and really fight against, is apathy. Apathy is the loss of emotion and passion, which results in the loss of one’s willingness to stand up and fight for what one believes is the right direction for the country.

    Over the past 16 years, we’ve seen Bill Clinton move to “right” and George Bush move to the “left”. So, despite the fear and loathing, presidents have a tendency to move towards the center. While candidates campaign way out towards the far left and far right in order to solidify their base, once elected they very quickly become more centrist in their governance. So, no matter who wins tonight, the world won’t end tomorrow.

    I look forward to seeing and meeting you all in 3-1/2 years at Strokers!!

  28. 28 where can I get the Obama iPhone? Nov 4th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    For my children & grandchildren…I’m praying you’re prediction is accurate, Cyril.

  29. 29 Adam Costa Nov 4th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Great post Tom.

    Americans are centrist, a little bit right or left depending of the debated issue. The difference between Obama & MCCain is that Obama uderstands better all the problems we face and has more innovative solutions to propose. McCain should retire from political life. He has no understanding of the world we live in. The world and our country have changed, not MCCain. What about him stating that the fundamentals of the economy were strong 2 days before the US almost collapsed. Cannot trust him to understand economy, taxes, healthcare, war, etc So I voted Obama and I am 100% confident he will win. Because of him the country is going to believe again. It’s what we need the most. A change to believe in.

  30. 30 Chris Landerof Nov 4th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    If it’s Cyril’s iPhone, we know who he voted for!

    I guess a sticker on iPhone will work for all your children and grandchildren.

  31. 31 Gar Nov 4th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    ‘Twas the night before elections

    And all through the town

    Tempers were flaring

    Emotions all up and down!

    I, in my bathrobe

    With a cat in my lap

    Had cut off the TV

    Tired of political crap.

    When all of a sudden

    There arose such a noise

    I peered out of my window

    Saw Obama and his boys

    They had come for my wallet

    They wanted my pay

    To give to the others

    Who had not worked a day!

    He snatched up my money

    And quick as a wink

    Jumped back on his bandwagon

    As I gagged from the stink

    He then rallied his henchmen

    Who were pulling his cart

    I could tell they were out

    To tear my country apart!

    ‘ On Fannie, on Freddie,

    On Biden and Ayers!

    On Acorn, On Pelosi’

    He screamed at the pairs!

    They took off for his cause

    And as he flew out of sight

    I heard him laugh at the nation

    Who wouldn’t stand up and fight!

    So I leave you to think

    On this one final note-



    Gar Out

  32. 32 Chris Landerof Nov 4th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Did you notice? Wall Street always prefers a republican president but wall streeters think that Obama will win. And today we had a big stock market rally. Conclusion: Wall Street is not afraid by Obama, quite the opposite.

  33. 33 Shrink Nov 4th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Gar needs a shrink. Urgently. His nightmares are very bad.

  34. 34 Gar Nov 4th, 2008 at 5:52 pm


    I love this shit! I am almost sad that the Political crap will be over with today or tomorrow. I love listening to the passion the people of this country have for their politicians and their politics …. this is but one reason The United States of America is the greatest country the world has ever know.

    Gar Out

  35. 35 David Nov 4th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    I think Cyril is going to be right.

    My name is David Lederman and I approve his message.

  36. 36 Donna Nov 4th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    I am excited. Hope Obama wins. It will be a new beginning for the country. If McCain wins I bet for the country to keep depressed for a long, long time. By the way, do we know where Bush & Cheney are hiding? It’s not too late, go to vote Obama..

  37. 37 Pitbull Nov 4th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    That MAS dude about Jesus and the election made me laugh! I bet hes knocking on someones door in a tie right now.

  38. 38 Mike Greenwald Nov 4th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within…For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation…he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” –Cicero

    So Obama says he will change the world? One of those myriad unanswered questions is if so, will it be for the better or worse?

    He vows to create a ‘civilian national security force’ apparently funded to military levels. What is THAT about? Does he intend to create a new armed militia…kinda like Hitler did? Who will fill the ranks? Where will the money come from? What will be the chain of command? Does he intend it to supplement or complement the established military force structure?

    He wants to redistribute the wealth by taking from the rich (and almost rich) and giving it to the “disadvantaged” masses. Who decides how much is too much? Who reaps the benefits of others innovation and hard work? Will there be an exodus of business talent, expertise and jobs?

    Polls say it is Obama in a blowout…and yet other polls say it is not. Obama leads by ten points and/or McCain leads by one? Hey, the only poll that really counts is Tuesday November 4th.

    Obama didn’t know his aunt is an illegal alien scofflaw and was shocked and amazed that what his preacher was saying for twenty years is what he was saying for 20 years? He didn’t really know Bill Ayers all that well. He was born in Hawaii despite all that internet noise and annoying inability to silence those wack job critics by just showing them a for real piece of paper.

    Obama claims he did not know his aunt was living in the United States illegally for nearly four years prior to the Associated Press report. Reportedly, the man who would be king last heard from Zeituni Onyango, “who attended his swearing-in ceremony to the U.S. Senate in 2005 two years ago, when she called to say she was in Boston.”

    Associated Press confirmed Onyango’s illegal status. It created an annoying diversion for the Obama campaign during the big final push to Election Day and stoked suspicions among supporters of a political motive behind the timing of the leak.

    Obama chief strategist David Axelrod said, “…I think they are pretty suspicious of things that are dumped in the marketplace 72 hours before a campaign, so I am not concerned about that.”

    Asked if he was suggesting political motives from a Republican administration, Axelrod said: “I am not saying anything at this point.”

    Wait a minute Dave! If you think the American people are “pretty suspicious of things that are dumped in the marketplace 72 hours before a campaign” how do you think they will react to having had this kind of stuff kept from them (intentionally?) for two flipping years by co-conspiring political hacks aided and abetted by a complicit media machine?

    The main stream liberal media has enabled an under vetted, smoke and mirrors cipher who has been able to gallop to the brink of the most powerful position in the world. Now that the house of cards trembles they remains diffident to admit that the stunningly attractive date they picked up at closing time may actually be a transvestite with a terminal STS.

    There ARE consequences to what we do and don’t do in life. No one is immune. Who would have thunk it that Hillary may actually have done less harm to the republic than Obama?

    Sadly, because of the horrific malfeasance of the fourth estate, whatever does or does not happen Tuesday will inevitably result in the glass being half empty…not half full.

    I still believe that notwithstanding all the postulating, extrapolating, and pontificating, McCain could still win in a squeaker. If I am right (and for sure I remain a minority contrarian) race relations will suffer a forty year space time continuum brain fart.

    If McCain wins the cry will be racial prejudice and racial tensions will rise to unheard of and forgotten levels. If Obama wins beneath the shadow of voter fraud, illegal foreign campaign money, and media manipulation, racial tensions will rise to unheard of and forgotten levels.

    Bottom line, nothing good is going to come out of Tuesday’s election.

  39. 39 Donna Nov 4th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Mike, well written, but.

    “Does he intend to create a new armed militia…kinda like Hitler did?”. Of course not.

    “Will there be an exodus of business talent, expertise and jobs?”. Of course not.

    :Associated Press confirmed Onyango’s illegal status”. Who cares?

    “If McCain wins the cry will be racial prejudice and racial tensions will rise to unheard of and forgotten levels”. Not going to happen.

    “If Obama wins beneath the shadow of voter fraud, illegal foreign campaign money, and media manipulation, racial tensions will rise to unheard of and forgotten levels.”. Not going to happen.

  40. 40 Missy Scott Nov 4th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Regardless of preference, it’s really exciting to see Americans so engaged in the process again, especially young people. We haven’t really seen this level of young enthusiasm since the Kennedys way back when. That can only be a good thing. It’s been pouring rain here in Virginia all day and the polls are swamped….and not with water! This all bodes well for the future as it seems the People are ready to speak again and speak loudly.

  41. 41 James(Kiwi) Nov 4th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Thanks Mas,
    Hell I thought he was going to invade NewZealand not my ass (spelt arse over here).
    Where was he going to put those cams I want??? lol
    There is a group of countries around the world that enjoy very similar standards of democracy and lifestyle, and like it or not it we are all joined at the hip.
    If The USA was not the leader of the Western world then the EU or Britain would be or someone else.
    Me, I want the USA to be a prosperous and good neighbour,probably like most American Citizens

    I’m sitting here watching CNN and really enjoying this election.(in my lunch hour)
    This is ground braking history.

    Truly a day to remember


  42. 42 Nicker Nov 4th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    “… He vows to create a ‘civilian national security force’ apparently funded to military levels…”

    Ah yes smells like another GESTAPO Ge-Sta-Po (Geheim Stats Polizei) in english “Secret State Police” ………….. exactly such an organization……. 🙂

    The Stazi in east Germany was another such organization. They had an informant for about every 20 people. Their archive is massive and still in tact. It pales Hillary’s 900 FBI files in comparison.

    Just the facts………. 🙂

    it’ll be a squeaker, not a landslide fro whoever wins


  43. 43 Patrick Nov 4th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Hey, Nicker. What do you smoke?

    Gestapo!?! You are crazy.

    A squeaker? Where do you watch your news? Fox? It’s a landslide.

    McCain is out. Relief…

  44. 44 Nicker Nov 4th, 2008 at 10:19 pm


    Gave up smoke.

    “… GESTAPO…”

    Hay, i’m just providing the historic reference…. don’t shoot the messenger.
    WTF do you call a ‘civilian national security force’…. ???


    The fat lady ain’t sung yet.


  45. 45 MAS Nov 4th, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    I can assure you I am not a JoHo; just a smart ass that believe’s in the separation of church and state. It makes me laugh that this country was born, in part, by people who were seeking religious freedom and then those same people turn around and practice a religion that condemns people who don’t believe the same things they do – the ultimate hypocrisy.

  46. 46 Sheridan Nov 5th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    Congratulations America, at the time I post this Obama has just been named President and McCain has conceded defeat, so you have now chosen your 44th President.

    I can tell you being from outside your borders, the rest of the world is breathing a big sigh of relief with your decision (after your last 2 shockers) and we can all look forward to a brighter future for you and the globe as a whole.

  47. 47 harry Nov 5th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    Don’t know if the future is going to be brighter; I am curious on who will be in his cabinet, that will be reason to worry or or sigh in relief. As I was explaining to a co-worker, the Democrats will assist him in selecting cabinet posts. (Hopefully) it won’t be a popularity contest and they will put some experience in there so that they don’t have a clusterfuck in the White House for the next four years.

  48. 48 James(Kiwi) Nov 5th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    Great speech,
    The free world will welcome someone who runs the most powerful country in the world that is a great orator and not a bumbling fool

    If he is half as great as a President as an orator he will be Churchillian ,and a great statesman.

    The biggest win since LBJ.

    America has spoken.

    Night all


  49. 49 Mike Greenwald Nov 5th, 2008 at 3:24 am

    LBJ was a disaster. Didn’t see him inheriting the white house as a win James.

  50. 50 A$$HOLE Nov 5th, 2008 at 4:20 am

    Nothing good will come from this, of course unless you are one of the un-employed, non-taxpaying leaches that Obama will help. I feel for all of the gullable white people, especially the politically inexperienced 18 year olds that voted for Obama, because they believe he will help them. That is just plain silly. The man was a member of a racist, Black Liberation Theology church for over 20 years. But you know what…? I can sit back now, and watch as all of the shit he has talked slips through his fingers. Then WE can all say “WTF? I told you so!” We will see a change in our everyday society, as we have not imagined , but that does not mean it will be for the better. Simply because Obama won the election, does not mean he was a good choice. Only time will tell. I sincerely hope we are better off in a few years, but I am not holding my breath. Political campaigns are all based on pretty words and empty promises. If Obama is able to deliver even half of what he has promised, then great! But when he starts introducing some of the crazy ideas such as the Freedom Of Choice principle, maybe the people will stand up again, and keep working towards true ethics and the best interest of the country. Not just supporting the guy because he is black! My biggest fear is we will now yank the rug from under our troops, simply because it is an unpopular war. Name one that was popular! GOD bless our troops, and GOD bless the USA! Even the Democrats, who got us in this mess.

  51. 51 Knucklehead Nov 5th, 2008 at 8:28 am

    K-Y by alot of K-Y.

  52. 52 madpuppy Nov 5th, 2008 at 9:02 am

    I hardly call 5 percentage points a ” Land Slide “

  53. 53 MJ, editor Nov 5th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    I am remembering the “Oil for Democracy” promise made to the American people, and the no-bid contract given to Halliburton by former top exec VP Cheney in 2003 to help rebuild Iraq. Now we better just hope there’s still a single cow and pig left in the barn and that America can regain its greatness now that these greed-driven people and the greedy corporations that have exported jobs, slashed wages, slashed benefits and bled the American people – have been FINALLY given the boot…. the question of the day is: Where will we go from here? Let’s hope it’s in a better direction that allows the middle class to enjoy anything like the same lifestyle that my parents enjoyed when $110 a week kept a family of 5 in a home of their own. My mother was a stay at home mom and we all had music lessons, and summer camp from my father’s pay driving truck. He brought in the Teamster’s union so we would have family health care… something that many of us don’t have as a company benefit any more.

  54. 54 Big Hand Nov 5th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    Hey Jeff Nicklus ,
    Are you still a supporter of Cyril since he was and is Pro Obama ?

    Big Hand
    over & out

  55. 55 Kephas Nov 5th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    President Obama is a Socialist from the essence of the word. Yes, America takes care of their elderly and those suffering bad times. I know and heard all the junk from the media. But, a true socialist only uses what they are given in order to build true socialism.

    America, you did not ask enough questions nor did you care. You just needed someone to say what you wanted to hear. You are easy prey for the predator.

    When President Obama raises the cost of doing business, you will find that the price of hamburger will go drastically up. When that happens, President Obama will hear your cries. His power is in your cries. President Obama will see his error and legislate your hamburger price down. You will praise him as a god and he will sit in his glory knowing that you have let him take another piece of your liberty. Before you know it, liberty will only be read about in our history books.

    As for me and my house, we will always defend liberty.

  56. 56 MAS Nov 5th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    I guess it depends on what you look at to decide if it was a landslide or not. If you look at the electoral vote, it was an ENORMOUS LANDSLIDE. If you look at the popular vote, 5% may not seem like much but if you consider that your boy Bush LOST the popular vote in 2000 and won it by lesss than 1% in 2004, then I would say winning the popular vote by more than 5 times what the last president did would be considered an ENORMOUS LANDSLIDE. It’s all perspective; you should get some.

  57. 57 Patrick Nov 5th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    Madpuppy. 5% points??? As of Nov 5, the final results are not known (popular & electoral votes) because 3 states are still too close to count. At this time, whatever the final count, it’s a landslide with Obama 349 electoral votes and McCain only 161, more than double for Obama. And the gap will probably increase. Never seen before. Come back to the real world.

  58. 58 2low Nov 5th, 2008 at 9:55 am

    Big Hand. How do you know Cyril’s political opinion? Did you ask him? Let us know when you know. You sound like a bitter republican. Everybody must support the new President, whoever he is.

  59. 59 2low Nov 5th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Kephas. You are entitled to your own opinion but your example business/hamburger is ridiculous. At least, make your point with intelligent reasoning or don’t write.

  60. 60 Rodent Nov 5th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    will bike week be back in atlantic beach and how about BSR in Daytona?

  61. 61 Big Hand Nov 5th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    2low ,
    You have the same avenue of contacting Cyril as I do so why don’t you ask him yourself ? For your info I will as of TODAY SUPPORT the removal of this so called president from office. My blood bleeds RED,WHITE,and Blue. I am NO Socialist and I will keep my freedom,money, and guns. You can have the change.

    Big Hand
    over & out

  62. 62 2low Nov 5th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Big hand, if you don’t know his political opinion don’t state it like you know. Personally, I am not interested, so I will not ask him. He said in his post that he will not give it. His prediction was very accurate, that’s it. And apparently it bothers you a lot. Nobody wants to take your freedom, money and guns. Today we still live in democratic America. Just watched the international reaction on tv. All the world seems very happy with Obama election. It’s very good that our country is respected and admired again for his democratic process after 8 years of Bush’s dumb politics..

  63. 63 Big Hand Nov 5th, 2008 at 10:39 am

    2low ,
    Your right. All the foreign dictators, terrorists, and here in the US assholes such as Rev Wright,Rev Jackson,Louis Farkumn,Black Panthers, and on and on. Osama can now crawl out of the hole he was hiding in and sit down for a friendly chat with Obama. No more surprise attacks like the World Trade Center. Just walk around and blow us to shit from within. By the way I cover my back real well at all times and YOU or anyone else will have a risky chance of taking my guns.

    over & out

  64. 64 Karen Nov 5th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Election and Vote.

    If you pay taxes, or if you are in the military you get to vote. If you get any state aid, welfare, tax credits where you get back more than you pay, on any state or federal give-away program then you don’t get to vote.

    In other words if you have nothing vested in the financial well being or operation of this country you get zero vote. You don’t pay for anything you don’t get to have a say.

    The original reason for the revolution was taxation with out representation. Well if you don’t pay taxes you don’t get representation. I agree with Rich the machinist. If you agree with this concept, pass this on.

    40% plus or minus 2% would not get to vote since they don’t pay.

    What do you think guys ?

  65. 65 Slag Nov 5th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    You Can Lead a Politician to Water ( But ) You Can’t Make Him Think.

  66. 66 Jeff Pavone Nov 5th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Big Hand. Something very wrong with you! The country has voted for Obama. If you don’t respect elections, go to live in a Banana Republic. With guns and fraud you could be elected. Move on.

  67. 67 Jeff Pavone Nov 5th, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Karen. Not very clear your demonstration!

  68. 68 Mike Greenwald Nov 5th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    “Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.”
    —James Madison, Federalist No. 10

  69. 69 BigHand Nov 5th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Jeff Pavone,
    Go to the back of the bus,sit down and shut up.

    Big Hand
    over & out

  70. 70 Jeff Pavone Nov 5th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    No, I am scared you are going to drive.

  71. 71 Wayne Nov 5th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Sometimes,” The Majority” Only Means All The Fools Are On The Same Side.

  72. 72 BigHand Nov 5th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    I wouldn’t be driving because I would never turn my back on you. Unfortunatly I would have to sit in back of the bus too.

    Big Hand
    over & out

  73. 73 Jeff Nicklus Nov 5th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Big Hand,

    Cyril has been my friend for many years and I cherish that friendship. Cyril, or any of my other friends, who may disagree with me in any respect will continue to be my friends. I hardly think that I would disregard a friendship because we disagree politically. More than that I don’t recall seeing where Cyril said who he was voting for ….. he simply stated his opinion as to how he believed the election would turn out….which to be honest with you I feared he might be correct.

    Now, BigHand, loose the “Over & Out” and come up with something on your own ….. now there is a novel idea!

    Over & Out,


  74. 74 Troy Nov 5th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    When will people learn that it isn’t the President who runs the country but the money men. Anyone who thinks that all of these promises that have been made will be kept is an idiot. It’s a nice thought but it’s not going to happen in our lifetime. Look at how the election was controlled by the staggering price of gas and the whole bailout business. The Clinton’s ran on healthcare reform 16 years ago and had 2 terms to fix it and then blaimed the other side for not getting it done.
    Gar: I really enjoyed your poem!
    Being an ex soldier, I can tell both Jeff and Bighand that they should both lose the over and out thing, Over means you are expecting a reply and Out means you are not expecting a reply. No offense to either of you but the saying was made up for TV movies and is probably still laughed at by the troops.
    We carry guns in Texas, and they can form all the civilian groups that they want and I’m pretty sure that they are not going to tell us what we can and can’t carry.

  75. 75 hoyt Nov 5th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    It appears “Gar” and Jeff Nicklus are the same person.

    Your hologram has been outed by yourself.

    Jeff writes:
    “Now, BigHand, loose the “Over & Out” and come up with something on your own ….. now there is a novel idea!

    Over & Out,”

    Gar/Jeff Nicklus writes


    One must ask themself does anyone here in this country give a flying damn what someone who is not a citizen of The United States of America thinks of our internal workings? I sure as hell don’t. Keep your nose and your opinions to yourself. Maybe we should invade New Zealand and occupy your ass?

    Gar Out”

  76. 76 MJ, editor Nov 5th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Cyril, thanks for the original post that brought us all here together for this election day and post-election day discussion… I hope we can keep the dialoge going into the future as we all need to join hands to pull out of what would have easily been as bad as the Great Depression if government had not gone further in debt bailing out the banks…

    Constructive ideas, working together as an industry and rally community is bound to be better than imagining what would-have-been, should-have-been.

    America is a great country because of its people. There are plenty who fear that too much immigration has weakened our country, and that our youth are allergic to hard work. But we should remember that we are a young country (only 200 years old) founded by immigrants used to taking risks and taking on challenging times. Let’s replace fear with hope and move on!

    United We Stand. One Nation, Under God With Liberty and Freedom For All.

  77. 77 Jeff Nicklus Nov 5th, 2008 at 1:26 pm


    Thanks for the info …. oh, did I forgot to tell you that I graduated from one of our esteemed Military Academy’s (not going to say what branch so I don’t start some shit there) and was an Officer in our military. I therefore do know the meaning of both “Over” and “Out” …. now it is up to your imagination to figure out why I say that (hint: the movies have nothing to do with it!)

    Over and Out,


  78. 78 Jeff Nicklus Nov 5th, 2008 at 1:31 pm


    FYI: Gar and I are separate people, however, Gar is a very close friend of mine …… as a matter of fact we served in that little conflict in SE Asia together many, many light years ago. One should recognize however, that I am the nicer guy of the two and my good looks are only exceeded by my good looks!

    Over & Out,


  79. 79 harry Nov 5th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    I was still a little kid during the Carter years so I can’t say that I remember the lean times from back then but I’m a little concerned that they’ll be coming back during an Obama adminstration. I really hope that I am wrong on this, but this might be a rough ride for us all.

  80. 80 hoyt Nov 5th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    ok, thanks for the clarification, Jeff.

    It’s been quite a ride participating in these ‘debates’ even when each other’s point of views seem to run wide at times.

    One thought that continues to resound solidly in my mind is that this nation has millions of intelligent people with differences, the majority of which hover just left and just right of center, depending on the topic.

    At a Federal level, the most effective way to lead that majority is moderately. I believe Obama, as a Constitutional lawyer has studied this and believes in that concept. Therefore, I don’t expect every decision of his to be in line with my preference, but I do expect progress for the majority of the people. A united people. Power to the people.

    The states have their own topics to govern in more of a left or right way as the “voter map” illustrates and the Senate and House seats reflect. To that end, Tom Binyon has good thoughts above….Participate in your government at all levels because many great People, from the right and left, have sacrificed for that freedom.

  81. 81 BigHand Nov 5th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Jeff Nicklus,
    For your information I also served in that little SE Asia country and no I did not graduate from some esteemed Military Academy. I was no officer but I did pull the trigger and that’s all I have to say about that issue. Now I also know all about over & out as do lot’s of others.

    Big Hand

    over & out

  82. 82 Jeff Nicklus Nov 5th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    Big Hand,

    Two things:

    1: Get your own sign off label,

    2: Welcome Home Brother

    Over & Out,


  83. 83 Karen Nov 5th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    Please read and digest this for yourselves.

    Tuesday, 4 November 2008, is a date which will live in infamy. While most presidential elections are followed with calls for unity by both candidates, Barack Obama issued no such call in his speech last night, with the possible exception of his observation, “I may not have won your vote tonight, but … I will be your president, too.”

    Of course, none was expected — liberals have elected a Socialist with deep ties to cultural and ethnocentric radicalism, and his executive and legislative agenda poses a greater threat to American liberty than that of any president in the history of our great republic.

    Obama has twice taken an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic” and to “bear true faith and allegiance to the same.” He has never honored that oath, and, based on his policy proposals and objectives, he has no intention to honor it after again reciting that oath on 20 January 2009. Obama seeks to, in his own words, “break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution.”


  84. 84 Mike Greenwald Nov 5th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    If the masses of people in this nation knew or had known the pertinent facts pertaining to the war mongering “we can fight the war better,” pro-apartheid Zionist, corporate Wall Street-backed, slippery tongued Barack Obama, it is doubtful they would have been so thoroughly bamboozled and hoodwinked to their own detriment and that of the world. Wall Street and the corporate media, however, have, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, engaged in a relentless, ruthless, and absolutely unprecedented campaign of corporate branding and marketing on behalf of Barack Obama, with the peoples of the United States as their targets.

    Assuming that the corporate Wall Street elite and its concomitant opinion-forming, omission, and misinformation machinery of the U.S. corporate media successfully installs their favorite choice – Democratic Party Republicrat Barack Obama – as the first colored President of the U.S. Empire, the majority of people in the United States are in for a rude awakening in the form of increased economic austerity, internal political repression, deepened racial disharmony, external U.S. military adventurism, and an endless stream of misleading disinformation from the corporate government. The peoples of the world will face intensified imperialistic and military assault and attempts at U.S. hegemony. This time, however, the imperialism of the U.S. Empire will be conveniently spearheaded, condoned and rationalized by its newest and most potent weapon: the dangerously double-talking “Emperor” in black face – Barack Obama. Moreover, in one fell and foul swoop, the corporate / military elite of the U.S. Empire intends to utilize Barack Obama as the “messiah” (created by none other than corporate America and its corporate media) to neutralize and destroy the ongoing Black liberation struggle for justice and equality in this nation, and in people’s liberation struggles throughout the world.

    In relative short order – inside the United States itself – under a Barack Obama presidency, the living conditions of the majority of Black, White, Brown, Red, and Yellow peoples will continue to steadily and massively deteriorate while the corporate Wall Street barons prolong their glut of the every day people’s finances, resources, hopes, and dreams. Under an Obama presidency those non Blacks who stand in opposition to Barack Obama’s de facto pro Wall Street backers and their blood-sucking policies will be branded as racists and traitors, while those Blacks who oppose Obama’s policies will be ignored and/or branded as fringe radicals and traitors. Thus, the horrors of the U.S. Empire will continue unabated, and in many respects, under Barack Obama, actually worsen. The blame for the deteriorating economy and continued war will of course quickly be laid by the Obama / Biden regime and the Democratic Party Republicrats on the previous Bush / Cheney regime, despite the fact that it was the complicity of the Democratic Party itself with the Bush / Cheney Republican Republicrat regime that facilitated the despicable policies and practices of the Bush / Cheney regime. The fact is that the Democratic and Republican Parties are de facto Republicrats with the objective of exploiting the majority of people and maintaining U.S. Empire abroad.

    After the Democratic Party Republicrats so-called election euphoria and celebrating is over, the Obama / Biden Republicrat regime will get down to the business of placing the ongoing exploitation of the every day people of this nation on fast track. The masses of Black Americans, along with the oppressed and exploited Brown, Red, Yellow, and White peoples of this nation will learn first hand that, notwithstanding the deceptive Obama rhetoric, exploitation nationally and internationally will be intensified. The “clash between those who want freedom, justice, equality for everyone and those who want to continue the system of exploitation” about which Malcolm X referred, will be intensified under Barack Obama, with Obama representing the interests of the oppressors. The political contradictions in this regard will also be increasingly obvious.

    Those so-called leftist and progressives who were and are collaborators with U.S. Empire will, for a time, try to pretend that their support of Barack Obama was not a sell out, and that they simply need more time to persuade the U.S. Empire’s colored corporate emperor to do the right thing. Meanwhile, Black, Brown, Red, Yellow, and White peoples will be enduring an unprecedented rate of economic and social suffering. The anger of the people will ultimately peak and explode, as a result of having bought into false hope and raised expectations. This is precisely why the U.S. corporate government has already made military contingency plans to contain and massively quash dissention within the United States. Barack Obama will serve to provide his corporate / military masters with colored political cover for political repression in this nation; and he will have already provided a small respite of wiggling room for them in this regard. Nevertheless, as brutal reality forces the proverbial scales of blindness to drop from eyes of the masses, it will become crystal clear that the supposed “change” to which Barack Obama referred in his campaign rhetoric, was nothing more than a vicious ruse of double-speak by him, backed by his corporate and military handlers. Indeed, the emperor will be shown to “have no clothes.” But what of the fate of millions of Black, White, Brown, Red, and Yellow peoples inside the U.S.? How many horrible sacrifices will have been, and will yet need to be made by the people in order to get the boot of economic blood-sucking and political repression off their / our necks?

    The “clash,” to which Malcolm X referred, “between those who want freedom, justice, and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the system of exploitation” will deepen, as will repression and systemic contradictions. The “clash” will have, by necessity, as Malcolm X suggested, gone beyond “the color of the skin.” Notwithstanding his double speak rhetoric, it will become clear to people that a president Barack Obama supports and wants to “continue the system of exploitation” at home and abroad. Despite continued double speak and corporate disinformation and misinformation, it will be become undeniably clear that a president Barack Obama is the servant of the corporate/ military / prison apparatus of U.S. Empire, and a key facilitator of exploitation and political repression inside and outside the United States.

    Building a real, grass roots peoples’ movement inside the United States will then, in some respects, be more challenging but by no means impossible. Notwithstanding the political repression and incessant disinformation that for a certainty will be emanating from the Obama / Biden Democratic Republicrats and their cronies, a genuine peoples’ movement will be, of necessity, the order of the day.

    It is no mere coincidence that Democratic Party Republicrat, Barack Obama, had the unheard of amount of approximately 600 million dollars in his political campaign coffer compared with fellow Republican Party Republicrat, John McCain’s, approximately 100 million campaign coffer dollars. This fact alone should give some crucial insight into the despicable financial role played by corporations, and their outrageous, unacceptable, and massively inordinate amount of influence and control over the electoral system in this so-called democracy. Most of this money is blood money, based upon exploitation from the corporate Wall Street and military corporate elite. This fact alone gives yet another good indication as to what to expect under an Obama presidency. It is totally reprehensible and unacceptable and an utter mockery of democracy.

  85. 85 hoyt Nov 5th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    “While most presidential elections are followed with calls for unity by both candidates, Barack Obama issued no such call in his speech last night, with the possible exception of his observation, “I may not have won your vote tonight, but … I will be your president, too.”

    Karen –

    If you didn’t get the sense of unifying the country and the world last night, I don’t know what will give you that sense, outside of a radical conservative being selected to suit your narrow perception.

    If that were to happen, the reverse would occur. It would continue to divide, like Bush has done more than many others before him.

  86. 86 Mike Greenwald Nov 5th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Barack Obama has been elected president of the United States by a large majority in the Electoral College. The Democrats have dramatically increased their control of Congress, increasing the number of seats they hold in the House of Representatives and moving close to the point where — with a few Republican defections — they can have veto-proof control of the Senate. Given the age of some Supreme Court justices, Obama might well have the opportunity to appoint at least one and possibly two new justices. He will begin as one of the most powerful presidents in a long while.

    Truly extraordinary were the celebrations held around the world upon Obama’s victory. They affirm the global expectations Obama has raised — and reveal that the United States must be more important to Europeans than the latter like to admit. (We can’t imagine late-night vigils in the United States over a French election.)

    Obama is an extraordinary rhetorician, and as Aristotle pointed out, rhetoric is one of the foundations of political power. Rhetoric has raised him to the presidency, along with the tremendous unpopularity of his predecessor and a financial crisis that took a tied campaign and gave Obama a lead he carefully nurtured to victory. So, as with all politicians, his victory was a matter of rhetoric and, according to Machiavelli, luck. Obama had both, but now the question is whether he has Machiavelli’s virtue in full by possessing the ability to exercise power. This last element is what governing is about, and it is what will determine if his presidency succeeds.

    Embedded in his tremendous victory is a single weakness: Obama won the popular vote by a fairly narrow margin, about 52 percent of the vote. That means that almost as many people voted against him as voted for him.
    Obama’s Agenda vs. Expanding His Base

    U.S. President George W. Bush demonstrated that the inability to understand the uses and limits of power can crush a presidency very quickly. The enormous enthusiasm of Obama’s followers could conceal how he — like Bush — is governing a deeply, and nearly evenly, divided country. Obama’s first test will be simple: Can he maintain the devotion of his followers while increasing his political base? Or will he believe, as Bush and Cheney did, that he can govern without concern for the other half of the country because he controls the presidency and Congress, as Bush and Cheney did in 2001? Presidents are elected by electoral votes, but they govern through public support.

    Obama and his supporters will say there is no danger of a repeat of Bush — who believed he could carry out his agenda and build his political base at the same time, but couldn’t. Building a political base requires modifying one’s agenda. But when you start modifying your agenda, when you become pragmatic, you start to lose your supporters. If Obama had won with 60 percent of the popular vote, this would not be as pressing a question. But he barely won by more than Bush in 2004. Now, we will find out if Obama is as skillful a president as he was a candidate.

    Obama will soon face the problem of beginning to disappoint people all over the world, a problem built into his job. The first disappointments will be minor. There are thousands of people hoping for appointments, some to Cabinet positions, others to the White House, others to federal agencies. Many will get something, but few will get as much as they hoped for. Some will feel betrayed and become bitter. During the transition process, the disappointed office seeker — an institution in American politics — will start leaking on background to whatever reporters are available. This will strike a small, discordant note; creating no serious problems, but serving as a harbinger of things to come.

    Later, Obama will be sworn in. He will give a memorable, perhaps historic speech at his inauguration. There will be great expectations about him in the country and around the world. He will enjoy the traditional presidential honeymoon, during which all but his bitterest enemies will give him the benefit of the doubt. The press initially will adore him, but will begin writing stories about all the positions he hasn’t filled, the mistakes he made in the vetting process and so on. And then, sometime in March or April, things will get interesting.
    Iran and a U.S. Withdrawal From Iraq

    Obama has promised to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq, where he does not intend to leave any residual force. If he follows that course, he will open the door for the Iranians. Iran’s primary national security interest is containing or dominating Iraq, with which Iran fought a long war. If the United States remains in Iraq, the Iranians will be forced to accept a neutral government in Iraq. A U.S. withdrawal will pave the way for the Iranians to use Iraqi proxies to create, at a minimum, an Iraqi government more heavily influenced by Iran.

    Apart from upsetting Sunni and Kurdish allies of the United States in Iraq, the Iranian ascendancy in Iraq will disturb some major American allies — particularly the Saudis, who fear Iranian power. The United States can’t afford a scenario under which Iranian power is projected into the Saudi oil fields. While that might be an unlikely scenario, it carries catastrophic consequences. The Jordanians and possibly the Turks, also American allies, will pressure Obama not simply to withdraw. And, of course, the Israelis will want the United States to remain in place to block Iranian expansion. Resisting a coalition of Saudis and Israelis will not be easy.

    This will be the point where Obama’s pledge to talk to the Iranians will become crucial. If he simply withdraws from Iraq without a solid understanding with Iran, the entire American coalition in the region will come apart. Obama has pledged to build coalitions, something that will be difficult in the Middle East if he withdraws from Iraq without ironclad Iranian guarantees. He therefore will talk to the Iranians. But what can Obama offer the Iranians that would induce them to forego their primary national security interest? It is difficult to imagine a U.S.-Iranian deal that is both mutually beneficial and enforceable.

    Obama will then be forced to make a decision. He can withdraw from Iraq and suffer the geopolitical consequences while coming under fire from the substantial political right in the United States that he needs at least in part to bring into his coalition. Or, he can retain some force in Iraq, thereby disappointing his supporters. If he is clumsy, he could wind up under attack from the right for negotiating with the Iranians and from his own supporters for not withdrawing all U.S. forces from Iraq. His skills in foreign policy and domestic politics will be tested on this core question, and he undoubtedly will disappoint many.
    The Afghan Dilemma

    Obama will need to address Afghanistan next. He has said that this is the real war, and that he will ask U.S. allies to join him in the effort. This means he will go to the Europeans and NATO, as he has said he will do. The Europeans are delighted with Obama’s victory because they feel Obama will consult them and stop making demands of them. But demands are precisely what he will bring the Europeans. In particular, he will want the Europeans to provide more forces for Afghanistan.

    Many European countries will be inclined to provide some support, if for no other reason than to show that they are prepared to work with Obama. But European public opinion is not about to support a major deployment in Afghanistan, and the Europeans don’t have the force to deploy there anyway. In fact, as the global financial crisis begins to have a more dire impact in Europe than in the United States, many European countries are actively reducing their deployments in Afghanistan to save money. Expanding operations is the last thing on European minds.

    Obama’s Afghan solution of building a coalition centered on the Europeans will thus meet a divided Europe with little inclination to send troops and with few troops to send in any event. That will force him into a confrontation with the Europeans in spring 2009, and then into a decision. The United States and its allies collectively lack the force to stabilize Afghanistan and defeat the Taliban. They certainly lack the force to make a significant move into Pakistan — something Obama has floated on several occasions that might be a good idea if force were in fact available.

    He will have to make a hard decision on Afghanistan. Obama can continue the war as it is currently being fought, without hope of anything but a long holding action, but this risks defining his presidency around a hopeless war. He can choose to withdraw, in effect reinstating the Taliban, going back on his commitment and drawing heavy fire from the right. Or he can do what we have suggested is the inevitable outcome, namely, negotiate — and reach a political accord — with the Taliban. Unlike Bush, however, withdrawal or negotiation with the Taliban will increase the pressure on Obama from the right. And if this is coupled with a decision to delay withdrawal from Iraq, Obama’s own supporters will become restive. His 52 percent Election Day support could deteriorate with remarkable speed.
    The Russian Question

    At the same time, Obama will face the Russian question. The morning after Obama’s election, Russian President Dmitri Medvedev announced that Russia was deploying missiles in its European exclave of Kaliningrad in response to the U.S. deployment of ballistic missile defense systems in Poland. Obama opposed the Russians on their August intervention in Georgia, but he has never enunciated a clear Russia policy. We expect Ukraine will have shifted its political alignment toward Russia, and Moscow will be rapidly moving to create a sphere of influence before Obama can bring his attention — and U.S. power — to bear.

    Obama will again turn to the Europeans to create a coalition to resist the Russians. But the Europeans will again be divided. The Germans can’t afford to alienate the Russians because of German energy dependence on Russia and because Germany does not want to fight another Cold War. The British and French may be more inclined to address the question, but certainly not to the point of resurrecting NATO as a major military force. The Russians will be prepared to talk, and will want to talk a great deal, all the while pursuing their own national interest of increasing their power in what they call their “near abroad.”

    Obama will have many options on domestic policy given his majorities in Congress. But his Achilles’ heel, as it was for Bush and for many presidents, will be foreign policy. He has made what appear to be three guarantees. First, he will withdraw from Iraq. Second, he will focus on Afghanistan. Third, he will oppose Russian expansionism. To deliver on the first promise, he must deal with the Iranians. To deliver on the second, he must deal with the Taliban. To deliver on the third, he must deal with the Europeans.
    Global Finance and the European Problem

    The Europeans will pose another critical problem, as they want a second Bretton Woods agreement. Some European states appear to desire a set of international regulations for the financial system. There are three problems with this.

    First, unless Obama wants to change course dramatically, the U.S. and European positions differ over the degree to which governments will regulate interbank transactions. The Europeans want much more intrusion than the Americans. They are far less averse to direct government controls than the Americans have been. Obama has the power to shift American policy, but doing that will make it harder to expand his base.

    Second, the creation of an international regulatory body that has authority over American banks would create a system where U.S. financial management was subordinated to European financial management.

    And third, the Europeans themselves have no common understanding of things. Obama could thus quickly be drawn into complex EU policy issues that could tie his hands in the United States. These could quickly turn into painful negotiations, in which Obama’s allure to the Europeans will evaporate.

    One of the foundations of Obama’s foreign policy — and one of the reasons the Europeans have celebrated his election — was the perception that Obama is prepared to work closely with the Europeans. He is in fact prepared to do so, but his problem will be the same one Bush had: The Europeans are in no position to give the things that Obama will need from them — namely, troops, a revived NATO to confront the Russians and a global financial system that doesn’t subordinate American financial authority to an international bureaucracy.
    The Hard Road Ahead

    Like any politician, Obama will face the challenge of having made a set of promises that are not mutually supportive. Much of his challenge boils down to problems that he needs to solve and that he wants European help on, but the Europeans are not prepared to provide the type and amount of help he needs. This, plus the fact that a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq requires an agreement with Iran — something hard to imagine without a continued U.S. presence in Iraq — gives Obama a difficult road to move on.

    As with all American presidents (who face midterm elections with astonishing speed), Obama’s foreign policy moves will be framed by his political support. Institutionally, he will be powerful. In terms of popular support, he begins knowing that almost half the country voted against him, and that he must increase his base. He must exploit the honeymoon period, when his support will expand, to bring another 5 percent or 10 percent of the public into his coalition. These people voted against him; now he needs to convince them to support him. But these are precisely the people who would regard talks with the Taliban or Iran with deep distrust. And if negotiations with the Iranians cause him to keep forces in Iraq, he will alienate his base without necessarily winning over his opponents.

    And there is always the unknown. There could be a terrorist attack, the Russians could start pressuring the Baltic states, the Mexican situation could deteriorate. The unknown by definition cannot be anticipated. And many foreign leaders know it takes an administration months to settle in, something some will try to take advantage of. On top of that, there is now nearly a three-month window in which the old president is not yet out and the new president not yet in.

    Obama must deal with extraordinarily difficult foreign policy issues in the context of an alliance failing not because of rough behavior among friends but because the allies’ interests have diverged. He must deal with this in the context of foreign policy positions difficult to sustain and reconcile, all against the backdrop of almost half an electorate that voted against him versus supporters who have enormous hopes vested in him. Obama knows all of this, of course, as he indicated in his victory speech.

    We will now find out if Obama understands the exercise of political power as well as he understands the pursuit of that power. You really can’t know that until after the fact. There is no reason to think he can’t finesse these problems. Doing so will take cunning, trickery and the ability to make his supporters forget the promises he made while keeping their support. It will also require the ability to make some of his opponents embrace him despite the path he will have to take. In other words, he will have to be cunning and ruthless without appearing to be cunning and ruthless. That’s what successful presidents do.

    In the meantime, he should enjoy the transition. It’s frequently the best part of a presidency.

  87. 87 Greg Nov 5th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Karen, you are crazy. Obama’s speech what the most beautiful and unifying speech ever. Even republicans pundits agree on this. You are out of your mind.

  88. 88 A$$HOLE Nov 5th, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    AMEN! Scary part is Mike, you are absolutely right. But these concepts are far too complex for the novice voter. At least we can sit back and say, like I said before, I TOLD YOU SO! Either way it is a scary scenario, and all we can do now is hold on for the ride. Unfortunately a large part of his base will never see a flaw in his policy no matter how obvious. Blinded by the light of the new massiah! Is it ironic coincidence that his 3rd year in offce will be 2012?

  89. 89 Rhoades Nov 5th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Greg, “Obama’s speech what the most beautiful and unifying speech ever”

    Dude…are you a Dude?? Please tell me you were not one of those guys crying on TV??? They all looked like a bunch of young teenage girls at a Jonas Brothers concert…..(some band my 10 yr old God Daughter likes??)

    Obama sure does have a “silver tounge”. That guy could sell a bunch of B.S. to a little over half the US voting population! Oh wait…..He did!

    I say Mike Greenwald for President 2012!

  90. 90 Greg Nov 5th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Financial crisis. Obama surrounded by the best. Trust him

    Obama is frequently on the phone with billionaire CEO Warren Buffett: “One of my favorite people,” says Obama, “he’s just completely down-to-earth and as smart as they come.” Buffett is a critic of the financial industry and of tax breaks for the rich – and he also happens to understand capital markets better than just about anyone.

  91. 91 Nicker Nov 6th, 2008 at 12:08 am


    “…, Obama might well have the opportunity to appoint at least one and possibly two new justices. He will begin as one of the most powerful presidents in a long while…”

    We will be stuck with what he does in the way of selecting (judicial activist) judges, for at least two generations. Don’t know that the country can survive as a “free republic” under those circumstances.

    “… Truly extraordinary were the celebrations held around the world upon Obama’s victory. They affirm the global expectations Obama has raised …”

    Well, that’s gonna be a problem for him. He promised to “keep job from leaving the US.” That’ll require some sort-a Smoot-Hawley activity which history tells us (along with a marginal tax rate increase) will produce the next Depression. Can’t see any of-em loving him after that. Not even the French… 🙂

    The up side of this election is:
    – No Clintons
    – Won’t have to listen to McCain talking (with a mouth full of marbles).
    – He’s actually gonna have to fix this economy, unlike Clinton who inherited a rebound.

    The down side:
    – Fixing it and keeping everyone happy is impossible.
    – If his Harvard Law Review experience is any criterion he will dump his minority supporters after ascending to power. But these people are expecting big time support. Depending on the economy that may touch big-time social unrest.

    Not a good scenario no mater how ya cut it.


  92. 92 Brock Nov 6th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Last night was truly a historic occasion: For only the second time in her adult life, Michelle Obama was proud of her country!

    The winner, of course, is Obama, who must be excited because now he can start hanging out in public with Bill Ayers and Rev. Jeremiah Wright again. John McCain is a winner because he can resume buying more houses.

    For now, we have a new president-elect. In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president.

    After Bill Clinton won the 1992 presidential election, Hillary Clinton immediately announced that, henceforth, she would be known as “Hillary Rodham Clinton.” So maybe Obama can now become B. Hussein Obama, his rightful name.

  93. 93 Nicker Nov 6th, 2008 at 12:19 am


    “… Obama surrounded by the best. Trust him …”

    Trusting is easy when:
    – you have “nothing to loose,”
    – you have “more than is possible to loose,” or
    – you have “too much power to loose.”

    The rest of us, in the middle, will never be able to recuperate our losses in our lifetime.


  94. 94 Nicker Nov 6th, 2008 at 12:34 am


    “… I was still a little kid during the Carter years so I can’t say that I remember the lean times from back then but I’m a little concerned that they’ll be coming back during an Obama administration. I really hope that I am wrong on this, but this might be a rough ride for us all…”

    If you think the Carter era was “lean”, what could happen next is gonna be more-n just a “rough ride”.

    And by the way, it was that same peanut farmer that saddled the world with the Iranian problem.

    Some times i suspect that after having been henpecked by Ros for all these years, Jimmy simply liked the Muslim strategies for dealing with women………… 🙂

    What other possible reason would he dump one of the few (two?) Muslim leader to bring Islam into the 20th Century since Ataturk ….???

    Oh ya, i almost forgot “bla, bla, bla, bla”……….. 🙂


  95. 95 Nicker Nov 6th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    “… After Bill Clinton won the 1992 presidential election, Hillary Clinton immediately announced that, henceforth, she would be known as “Hillary Rodham Clinton.” So maybe Obama can now become B. Hussein Obama, his rightful name…”

    Hell, i’ll call him a “hero” if he doesn’t destroy the Republic.


  96. 96 MJ, editor Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:39 am

    This sure beats the apathy that allowed big business and corrupt politicians to systematically shift the wealth in this country upward until the middle class was nothing more than a bill paying class with fewer “extras” than those drawing welfare! Here’s what Obama has inherited:

    The deficit will be more than $1 trillion a year for several years The country needs a massive new fiscal stimulus The housing market will continue to decline through at least 2010 Interest rates and taxes will eventually have to rise (after the economy stabilizes) Weak corporations have to be allowed to fail Millions of homeowners will lose their house. Unemployment will probably rise to 10% The government simply cannot “bail the country out” — not because it lacks the will, but because it lacks the power.

    With this said, remember we are currently in two wars that cost us minimum $10 billion per month,

    What I heard Obama tell the American people was that we MUST stop shoveling around blame and UNITE for the hard challenge of trying to pull out of this second great depression.

  97. 97 MJ, editor Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:52 am

    By the way, more people who define themselves as “Moderates” voted for Obama, and the ugly race-card was only evident in a lingering band of southern states. A significantly larger group of black American voters did not rush to the polls and many people who would never have guessed that they would be voting for a black man for president .. did it. (Including two of my relatives who are in their 80’s) But these same moderates also sent a message to both parties, I believe, telling them that they need to work together to save our economy… they did not sweep the Democrats into office… and I think that’s good because too often in the past members of the Senate have forgotten they are part of this country’s check and balance system: Senate/Courts/Presidency. The president is not the head of the Democratic or Republican party. He is the President of the USA and it is the responsibility of the Senate and the Courts to serve as a watchdog over policy that is not in the best interest of the people.

  98. 98 MAS Nov 6th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    After reading several of Mike Greenwalds post on this blog, it only took reading about two sentences in his last two posts on this string to have a pretty good hunch that he wasn’t the author. The first was written by a man named Larry Pinkney and the second by a man name George Friedman. For God’s sake, get some help.

    Rhoades, Mike Greenwald for president in 2012??? Only if Palin is his VP choice.

  99. 99 Mike Greenwald Nov 6th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    MAS the message is very clear that you can’t read more than two sentences

  100. 100 Rhoades Nov 6th, 2008 at 3:57 pm


    I guess Mike is like Obama, he doesn’t write his own speeches….

    I love how the backpeddling has already begun by the Obama camp and supporters. Non of us that live in reality expected miracles, but maybe Obama’s campaign slogan should have been.


  101. 101 MAS Nov 6th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    A person would think that a man who cuts & pastes other people’s thoughts and opinions could surely cut & paste a response better than that. You can’t even punctuate correctly. I had better stop there for fear of getting this third sentence wrong….

  102. 102 hoyt Nov 6th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    If he can change the miserable damage amassed in the last 8 years, that would be impressive.

  103. 103 Mike Greenwald Nov 6th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    I found this mildly amusing, in a sad sort of way . . .


    “Indianapolis – Lines were long and tempers flared Wednesday not to vote but to get paid for canvassing for Barack Obama. Several hundred people are still waiting to get their pay for last-minute campaigning. Police were called to the Obama campaign office on North Meridian Street downtown to control the crowd.

    The line was long and the crowd was angry at times.

    “I want my money today! It’s my money. I want it right now!” yelled one former campaign worker.

    A former spokesman for the Obama campaign said 375 people were hired as part of the Vote Corps program and said people signed up to work three-hour shifts at a time. Three hours of canvassing got workers a $30 pre-paid Visa card.

    The workers showed up to get their cards Wednesday morning at 10:00 am.

    “There was a note on the door saying 1:00 pm and then at 1:20 pm everybody was like why is nobody here. They just got here and they’re trying to get it organized,” said Heather Richards, a former campaign worker.”

    Not a very auspicious beginning, I’m afraid, and ironic given that Obama set records on fund-raising.

    Video available here.

  104. 104 Nicker Nov 6th, 2008 at 9:47 pm


    “…If he can change…”

    Well, that what he ran on. Near as anyone recalls it was “change” he was selling.
    So, your saying this “change” is only an “if”…..???

    “…the miserable damage amassed in the last 8 years, that would be impressive…”

    Yes, 8 years never vetoing record pork barrel spending is more than “miserable damage” for a Conservative. But, then neither Bush-the-Elder or Bush-the-Younger were ever conservatives.

    However, can’t recall anyone bitching when he stood on the 9/11 rubble pile and said they can run but they can’t hide. So now we got the war that the Peanut Farmer set us up for.

    Problem is, there never was a war that came off according to script.

    Now prosecuting a better war than Bush & Rummy, that would be “impressive.”


  105. 105 Nicker Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:07 pm


    “… a man who cuts & pastes other people’s thoughts and opinions could …”

    Couldn’t care less.
    Articulating your beef with what was said would be far more interesting.


  106. 106 Nicker Nov 6th, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Loks to me like the CRA is a hell of a candicate for “change.”
    The following is a fairly concise time line for that debacle:

    In 1977 President Jimmy Carter signs the Community Reinvestment Act into Law. The law pressured financial institutions to extend home loans to those who would otherwise not qualify. The Premise: Home ownership would improve poor and crime-ridden communities and neighborhoods in terms of crime, investment, jobs, etc. Results: Statistics bear out that it did not help. How did the government get so deeply involved in the housing market?

    1992: Republican representative Jim Leach (IO) warned of the danger that Fannie and Freddie were changing from being agencies of the public at large to money machines for the principals and the stockholding few.

    1993: Clinton extensively rewrote Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s
    rules turning the quasi-private mortgage-funding firms into semi-nationalized
    monopolies dispensing cash and loans to large Democratic voting blocks and
    handing favors, jobs and contributions to political allies. This potent mix led inevitably to corruption and now the collapse of Freddie and Fannie.

    1994: Despite warnings, Clinton unveiled his National Home-Ownership Strategy which broadened the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) in ways congress never intended.

    1995: Congress, about to change from a Democrat majority to Republican, Clinton orders Robert Rubin’s Treasury Dept to rewrite the rules. Robert Rubin’s Treasury reworked rules, forcing banks to satisfy quotas for sub-prime and minority loans to get a satisfactory CRA rating. The rating was the key to expansion or mergers for banks. Loans began to be made on the basis of race and little else.

    1997 – 1999: Clinton, bypassing Republicans, enlisted Andrew Cuomo, then Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, allowing Freddie and Fannie to get into the sub-prime market in a BIG way. Led by Rep. Barney Frank and Sen. Chris Dodd, congress doubled down on the risk by easing capital limits and allowing them to hold just 2.5% of capital to back their investments vs. 10% for banks. Since they could borrow at lower rates
    than banks, their enterprises boomed. With incentives in place, banks poured billions in loans into poor communities, often ‘no doc’, ‘no income’, requiring no money down and no verification of income. Worse still was the cronyism: Fannie and Freddie became home to out-of work-politicians, mostly Clinton Democrats. 384 politicians got big campaign donations from Fannie and Freddie. Over $200 million had been spent on lobbying and political activities. During the 1990’s Fannie and Freddie enjoyed a subsidy of as much as $182 Billion, most of it going to principals and shareholders, not poor borrowers as claimed. Did it work? Minorities made up 49% of the 12.5 million new homeowners but many of those loans have gone bad and the minority homeownership rates are shrinking fast.

    1999: New Treasury Secretary, Lawrence Summers, became alarmed at Fannie and Freddie’s excesses. Congress held hearings the ensuing year but nothing was done because Fannie and Freddie had donated millions to key congressmen and radical groups, ensuring no meaningful changes would take place. ‘We manage our political risk with the same intensity that we manage our credit and interest rate risks,’ Fannie CEO Franklin Raines, a former Clinton official and current Barrack Obama advisor, bragged to investors in 1999.

    2000: Secretary Summers sent Undersecretary Gary Gensler to Congress seeking an end to the ‘special status’. Democrats raised a ruckus as did Fannie and Freddie, headed by politically connected CEO’s who knew how to reward and punish. ‘We think that the statements evidence contempt for the nation’s housing and mortgage markets’ Freddie spokesperson Sharon McHale said. It was the last chance during the Clinton era for reform.

    2001: Republicans try repeatedly to bring fiscal sanity to Fannie and Freddie but Democrats blocked any attempt at reform; especially Rep. Barney Frank and Sen. Chris Dodd who now run key banking committees and were huge beneficiaries of campaign contributions from the mortgage giants.

    2003: Bush proposes what the NY Times called ‘the most significant
    regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings
    and loan crisis a decade ago’. Even after discovering a scheme by Fannie
    and Freddie to overstate earnings by $10.6 billion to boost their bonuses,
    the Democrats killed reform.

    2005: Then Fed chairman Alan Greenspan warns Congress: ‘We are placing the total financial system at substantial risk’. Sen. McCain, with two others, sponsored a Fannie/Freddie reform bill and said, ‘If congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole’. Sen. Harry Reid accused the GOP; of trying to ‘cripple the ability of Fannie and Freddie to carry out
    their mission of expanding homeownership’ The bill went nowhere.

    2007: By now Fannie and Freddie own or guarantee over HALF of the $12 trillion US mortgage market. The mortgage giants, whose executive suites were top-heavy with former Democratic officials, had been working with Wall Street to repackage the bad loans and sell them to investors. As the housing market fell in ’07, sub prime mortgage portfolios suffered major losses. The crisis was on, though it was 15 years in the making.

    2008: McCain has repeatedly called for reforming the behemoths, Bush urged reform 17 times; still the media have repeated Democrats’ talking points about this being a “Republican’ disaster. A few Republicans are complicit but Fannie and Freddie were created by Democrats, regulated by Democrats, largely run by Democrats and protected by Democrats. That’s why taxpayers are now being asked for $700 billion!!

    If you doubt any of this, just click the links below and listen to your lawmakers own words. They are condemning!

    Postscript: ACORN is one of the principle beneficiaries of Fannie/Freddie’s slush funds. They are currently under indictment or investigation in many states for voter registration fraud.

    So the question is: will ther actually be a “change”….. ???

    And yes, i cut-n-paste too.

  107. 107 Nicker Nov 6th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Ya wanna talk cost?
    We could use some “change” on the illegal front:


    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as
    food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.\iscalexec.html exec.HTML>

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
    Education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!! NSCRIPT S/0604/01/ldt0.HTML

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born
    children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare And
    Social Services by the American taxpayers.

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
    By the illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts! m/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s
    Two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
    Their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
    That crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
    From Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
    Heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border
    Homeland Security Report.

    12. The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of
    Mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
    Cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually! Over a five year period.’

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
    Their countries of origin.
    Http:/ /

    14. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes
    Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ‘.

    Total cost is a whooping… $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!
    If this doesn’t bother you then just delete the message, but on the

    Snopes is provided for doubters:


  108. 108 Jeff Nicklus Nov 7th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    O.K. ….. so now that the election is over with what does anyone think about the subject of, oh lets say ….. motorcycles?

    Over & Out,


  109. 109 hoyt Nov 7th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Nicker writes:

    “Well, that what he ran on. Near as anyone recalls it was “change” he was selling.
    So, your saying this “change” is only an “if”…..??? ”

    No, I was saying if he can correct ALL of the damage caused by bush in his term, that would be impressive.


    Nicker writes:
    “…the miserable damage amassed in the last 8 years, that would be impressive…”

    Yes, 8 years never vetoing record pork barrel spending is more than “miserable damage” for a Conservative. But, then neither Bush-the-Elder or Bush-the-Younger were ever conservatives.”

    I think we are getting somewhere with this….they were not “conservatives”?. Ok, so, are they “radical religious whack-jobs” then ?

    If so, let it ring loud and clear so that the Republican Party can be renewed with a correct sense of purpose: Moderates that respect the Constitution and govern with a clear understanding of Federal and State boundaries.

    This would render ambitions from people like Palin & Karl Rove to another party.
    With her twisted sense of climate change, evolution, banning books, and other faith-based bullshit, there is a lot of truth to my joke:

    What is the difference between Bush and Palin?


    Nicker writes:
    “However, can’t recall anyone bitching when he stood on the 9/11 rubble pile and said they can run but they can’t hide. So now we got the war that the Peanut Farmer set us up for.”

    You must have been in the wrong part of the country. The crowds standing up against bush’s “pre-emptive strike” jargon were there from the beginning. It is sad how there is so much whining about the “liberal media”. Where was the media who should have stood up and questioned the “pre-emptive strike” mumbling? Bush’s war mongers must have been surprised to not hear the level of backlash they were expecting. So, they built upon that jargon to a point where it was so commonplace that the Invasion was accepted.

    In a partial defense to some of the worthwhile media at that time….not all of the media was invited to bushies press conferences. And you find problems with the “Fairness Doctrine” ?

    For those readers who are interested in the Fairness Doctrine and its impact on the public’s lack of information leading up to the Iraq Invasion, search for a speech by Robert Kennedy Jr. in New York City. He covers a lot of ground and it is well worth it.

    nicker writes:
    “Now prosecuting a better war than Bush & Rummy, that would be “impressive.”

    You must have low expectations.

    This is Bush’s legacy:

    He PLUNDERED the most vivid and tangible example of HUMAN SOLIDARITY this planet may have ever seen in the history of human existence….

    Consider the pictures you saw from around the world on September 12, 2001.

    The world was ready to move forward with a collective effort against terrorism, starting with finally giving the people of Afghanistan a chance.

    Bush took this nation and the world down a path by ourselves. At such a cost!

    From September 12, 2001 – , that level of solidarity was bashed apart by Bush.

    You want to talk about costs?

    Tangible dollars of the Iraq Invasion ( $ x,000,000,000,000.00)
    + Intangibles (plundered solidarity, generations of terrorists stoked, etc.*)

    = The mess we are in now economically

    * The list can go on and on. Bush’s invasion took so much effort while simultaneously ignoring numerous problems. Maybe he could have put a team in charge of predicting and stopping the sub prime meltdown, addressed energy independence, healthcare costs, etc.

    Then again, maybe not. Reminder: he set the record for most vacation days of any sitting President in his first year. This was before 9/11/2001.

    Changing this mess is going to take a tremendous amount of work, creativity, and intelligence.

  110. 110 hoyt Nov 7th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    This speech was given in May 2004, year to the day after Bush declared “Mission Accomplished”….

  111. 111 hoyt Nov 7th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Interestingly enough, with the Palin-influenced loss, will the Republican Party move towards a Goldwater sense of conservative or will it go to something else?

    if you don’t have the patience, then move to the 5:15 time slot….

    “corporate crony-ism” and the difference of what it means to be a “conservative” in the Barry Goldwater era vs. Ronald Reagan->Bush Jr. era….

  112. 112 hoyt Nov 7th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    This link is that talk continued.

    The 5:55 mark of this clip is key, especially considering the $700 bailout and the amount of money spent on the Presidential Election campaign…..

  113. 113 Jeff Nicklus Nov 7th, 2008 at 6:45 pm


    You seem to be having a hell of a conversation with yourself ??????

    Over & Out,


  114. 114 Mike Greenwald Nov 7th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Here is a veiled threat to motorcycling.
    Fast Lane -Peters blog
    November 07, 2008
    Ensuring an Effective Transition

    With the American people’s selection of Barack Obama as our next
    President, I want to reaffirm the Department’s commitment to ensuring a
    smooth and efficient transition from the current to the incoming
    Administration. During President Bush’s call to President-Elect Obama
    Tuesday night, the President offered his complete cooperation with the
    transition—a pledge he reiterated at yesterday’s Cabinet Meeting, and a
    commitment which I share.

    America has an amazing system that allows for the kind of orderly and
    efficient transitions our government experiences every four years. To
    guarantee effective and uninterrupted operations, the leadership at the
    Department of Transportation is eager to assist our successors as they
    arrive, and I am counting on every member of the DOT family to do their
    part in this effort.

    President-Elect Obama’s transition team is being assembled, and when
    they arrive at the Department, they will move into prepared office space
    to begin their work, receive oral and written briefings on a variety of
    topics, and have access to SharePoint transition web site. And to
    ensure all of their needs are met, I have appointed a Departmental
    Liaison to provide the team to the information they need to hit the
    ground running on January 20.

    The new Administration has a challenging task ahead. Over the next two
    and a half months, they must learn about the operations of this
    Department and the ongoing policy issues that we have been accustomed to
    dealing with on a daily basis. Each and every one of us has a
    responsibility to make sure they succeed, and we must hand the next
    Administration the tools and knowledge that will allow them to provide
    the American people with a safe, efficient and reliable transportation
    network that is able to react and respond to the challenges of the 21st

    President Bush has also made it clear this Administration will sprint to
    the finish. Accordingly, we will keep working to make our roads, rails
    and skies safer, keep advocating for innovation and reform, and keep
    moving forward with important regulatory and policy matters.

    I want to thank the entire Department for their support during my time
    as Secretary. We’ll have plenty of opportunities to say goodbye over
    the next 75 days, but I cannot thank you enough for all you have done
    for the American people. I truly believe we have the best team in the

    -Secretary Peters

  115. 115 hoyt Nov 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Jeff – did you bother to listen to any of that or read about Barry Goldwater’s version of conservative politics? It might shed some light for you to understand what it will take to win in 4 or 8 years.

    The above posts also have parallels to what Nicker said about your beloved bushie not being a conservative and what Mike Greenwald quoted about big business role in government.

    And beyond that, Jeff, what difference is there between Greenwald’s lengthy quotes to my 4 short comments, which are still smaller in length?

    You and Gar insert your foot into your mouth quite a bit.

    Have you started work on another bush bike, yet?

  116. 116 Mike Greenwald Nov 7th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Hoyt, my lengthy quotes were made to give fair and balanced opposition to a candidate and now president elect that is dangerous to our country.

    The quotes are more long winded than I generally am but for accuracy and to make the damned point they are included.

    Because I oppose the OBAMA Messiah form of government does in no way construe that I approve of Bush or McCain.

  117. 117 Mike Greenwald Nov 7th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    “Change in America doesn’t come from politicians. It comes from people inventing things and creating. The telephone, the telegraph, the computer, all those things didn’t come from government. Our world is going to get better and better, as long as we keep the politicians from screwing it up.” –David Boaz

  118. 118 Jeff Nicklus Nov 7th, 2008 at 7:31 pm


    It may surprise you to learn that I am actually a very educated man and perfectly capable of reading and understanding every word of your rant, no matter how far out in the ozone your head is. FYI: Goldwater lost, so why should I give a damn what he thought?

    What it will take in 4-8 years to win back the White House is simple …. we have to out spent the Dem’s. Maybe if we spend 1.5-2 Billion dollars of illegally received campaign funds we will win next time.

    …. “Have you started work on another bush bike, yet?”…..

    It would totally fuck your mind up if you only knew who I received an order to build a bike for now …. totally fuck you up!

    Over & Out,


  119. 119 Mike Greenwald Nov 7th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Damn Jeff
    the Obama Slamma

  120. 120 Jeff Nicklus Nov 7th, 2008 at 7:45 pm


    …. with 27’s ……

    That would be a cold day in hell when I built a socialist a bike.

    Over & Out,


  121. 121 hoyt Nov 7th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Mike – where did I say you approve bush or mccain? That’s not it at all.

    The fact that you state “Goldwater lost, what do I care?”, speaks volumes, especially considering that your beloved bushie was a leading cause to mccain losing this election due to a twisted form of conservative politics. So, maybe you should give a damn what the last 50 years of conservative politics looks like.

    Based on your bushie bike, i can care less who ordered a bike from you, no offense, really.

  122. 122 Mike Greenwald Nov 7th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    I hope you laughed as much as I did

  123. 123 Mike Greenwald Nov 7th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    I didn’t want you to start drawing any conclusions that I approved either Bush or McCain just because I spoke out strongly against OBAMA

  124. 124 Nicker Nov 8th, 2008 at 12:22 am


    “… ‘corporate crony-ism’ …”

    Well, ya got “corporate crony-ism” on the one hand. Then there’s “union crony-sim” on another. And someone else has “agra business crony-ism.”
    Oh ya, Billy Jeff Clinton had Tyson Chicken “crony-ism”…….. yada, yada, yada….

    Sorry, that’s reality.

    “…. with the Palin-influenced loss…”

    Hell, it wasn’t till Palin as announced, that the GOP contributions really started coming in.

    The stats indicated The McSter only got 80% of the conservative vote. Mainly because he’s a Kennedy Liberal. It was as painfull watching McCain blow every opportunity as it was watching Busshy-boy try to kiss Liberals’ (like Teddy Kennedy’) ass.

    Since i’m retired, all i have to worry about is the stock market and the tax rates.
    But you boys who are still working have to worry about who is gonna be advising BO.

    So, now we’ve got most of the Clinton cronies populating the BO’s transition team.
    And i just heard on the radio that “little Robby Reich” is gonna be on the advisory team too.
    According to Robert Reich’s everyone should be a W2 employee (either for big Government or Big Business), he doesn’t believe in small business.

    “… think we are getting somewhere with this….they were not “conservatives”?. Ok, so, are they “radical religious whack-jobs” then ?

    Getting where exactly…???
    McCain lost his influence when he lost the conservative message.

    BO message was “Change.”
    Sorta like JFK’s message: “we can do better” (better-n what?…. Change to what?…)

    Hay, i’m taking the wait-n-see attitude because the Country needs a good leader.

    But so far …..”Change”…. ???
    And “bipartisanship”….. with Rom Emanuel…. ???
    Don’t piss on my shoes and try telling me it’s raining.


  125. 125 Nicker Nov 8th, 2008 at 12:34 am


    “…. now that the election is over with what does anyone think about the subject of….motorcycles…”

    Judging by the way we’re being pushed into “Green-ness” (one for Arlen)…. i’d say the future is gonna be smaller & smaller scooters.
    The Greens are not gonna be happy till we’re all running mo-peds.

    “Bigger” is certainly not better… or PC….. 🙁


  126. 126 Conrad Nicklus Nov 8th, 2008 at 1:06 am


    At this point it may be a good time for you to stop the comments that are rudely based towards my father. You, and many others on here, can type up a fu*king storm but when it comes time to really use those 5 fingers as a death punch I bet you are just another person with a pocket protector and a big fucking mouth. SHUT UP. OK? Thanks.

    Now as for your rude little comment about the Bush bike. My dad had a very interesting e-mail sent to him aswell as a phone call about building another “BIG” bike project for a very well known person. Whether he is Republican or Democrat it does not matter. All Ican say is it will completely shock the hell out of you.


    As my dad said earlier. Lets get back to motorcycle talk, this is why Cyril built this site after all isnt it?

    A lot of people dont understand that the ELECTIONS ARE OVER WITH. OBAMA IS OUR NEW PRESIDENT AND WE MUST SUPPORT THAT. IF HE F*KS UP ILL JUST SAY I TOLD YOU SO. BUT IF HE DOES GOOD THEN HEY I WAS WRONG , AS MANY OTHER AMERICANS. So everyone listen loud and clear….CALM THE F*CK DOWN IT IS WHAT IT IS. OK? Thanks. I am just sick and tired of listening to everyone yell back and fourth at eachother liek a bunch of 7th grades girls.

    Conrad Nicklus

  127. 127 Conrad Nicklus Nov 8th, 2008 at 1:20 am


    About your comment that Bush was McCains leading cause of losing you are somewhat correct. People have this thought that because Bush, as a Republican, messed up that all Republicans will mess up aswell. They also feared that McCain would “die due to age” and that McCain “just looks too old”. Im sorry but looks and AGE do not have SHIT to do with being a President. IDGAF what you say or anyone else. I am fucking sick and tired of hearing the same basic bullshit about looks and age and political party affiliation. IAB (Its all bullshit).. The college students and many other Americans voted due to looks and because of the false perception that all Republicans are bad. I am a Republican, most of my friends are aswell. What does this mean? I am a bad person and will cause this country to go to hell if I make it in to office? NOOOOO…The Republican name has a bad wrap, thats all. 90% of the People who voted did so on false assumptions that if McCain makes it in he will fuck it up so they vote to the left and said hey Obama is a Democrat he will do good in office.

    I asked 10 friends, yes I did a little research study. I found that with 5 simple to answer questions that 9 of the 10 didnt know shit. I asked these questions;
    1: Why are you voting for Obama?
    2: What do you think the difference between Democrat and Republican is?
    3: What is your basis of decision on who you are voting for?
    4: Are you voting Democrat because you dont like Bush?
    5: Are your parents Republican or Democrat?

    Typical answers:
    1: Well I dont like McCain, he is old and will die if he makes it in. Plus he is Republican.
    2: Democrats will give us a lot of money and charge Corporations more taxes while Republicans take a lot of money away and dont care about healthcare.
    3:I dont like Bush and I dont like Republicans. We need a black president to show that this country isnt Racist anymore ( yes 9 of the 10 said that if we didnt vote for him we are proven racists)
    4: Yes
    5: 5 of the 9 who voted against McCain have Democrat parents and chose that because their parents didnt like Bush.
    The other 4 said their parents are Republicans but their parents do not make 250k a year and they wanted their parents to be taxed less. Yes good thinking but WRONG.

    Now as for my 1 friend who Voted straight Republican. I asked Patrick why? He gave me a 25 minute talk about his family and his fatheers company. He doesnt like Obamas policy ideas, nor do I, because he feels why tax the people that work their asses off even more than they are already taxed. Aswell as about 20 other reasons. It was not due to Obama being BLACK nor did it have to do with him being a DEMOCRAT.

    Now if you cant see why I am telling you why I did a research group you are plain stupid.

  128. 128 Conrad Nicklus Nov 8th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    Now as for that. When is it going to be allowed to have Big HP and Big TQ without interference from the EPA? I want more power and higher speed limits on I-10.!!!!!!!!!

    Did that calm everyone down and get them back on track?

  129. 129 Johnny Speediron Nov 8th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    Wow. I hear a lot of hate and frustration rooted in dated values, tired old men of a waining generation. It’s only natural. I feel good that we’re getting a fresh, new America through the positive voice of a new generation. I’m ready for a fresh, positive, new motorcycling scene from the same generation. I want motorcycles to make me happy, not pissed. I want positivity, hope and change applied here too.

  130. 130 Mike Greenwald Nov 8th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Johnny Speediron,
    Man, I am glad you are here. Please, tell us how to fix the world. It certainly sounds like your just bursting to tell us how to do it.

  131. 131 Jeff Nicklus Nov 8th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Wow …. that is all too much for my little head….I am going to build a motorcycle now.

    Over & Out,


  132. 132 Johnny Speediron Nov 8th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    See everyone. More negativity. I’m gonna go hack in my shop and shine on. Muthafuckin-Weeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  133. 133 Mike Greenwald Nov 8th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Johnny Speediron,
    You got some explain’ to do.

    Where is this at all negative?

    or are ya just here for the name callin’?

  134. 134 Johnny Speediron Nov 8th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    In a word: sarcasm.

  135. 135 Nicker Nov 8th, 2008 at 9:50 pm


    “… hate and frustration rooted in dated values…”

    What “Dated values”??? you mean like:
    – self reliance
    – creativity
    – initiative
    – creating a business plan
    – taking financial risks
    – working 20 hours a day

    “… tired old men of a waining generation….”

    Ya, we’re “waining” right into retirement.
    Now it’s your turn to pick up the slack.
    Have you talked to your local Draft Board lately…???

    “… It’s only natural. I feel good that we’re getting a fresh, new America ….”

    Earth to John…. “feeling good” ant enough. Your gonna have to “do good.”

    “… through the positive voice of a new generation…”

    “Positive voices” are talk….. let’s see some Positive “action” out-a that new generation.

    “… I’m ready for a fresh, positive, new motorcycling scene…”

    Did ya ever think about “creating it” instead of talking about it…..???

    “… I want motorcycles to make me happy, not pissed…”
    “… I want positivity, hope and change applied here too….”

    Want, Want, Want…..
    Hell, so does every school kid who’s been taught “undeserved self esteem” based on no-competition. The legacy of a increasingly Progressive American K-12 school system. Got news for ay buck-o, that ain’t how the world works.


  136. 136 Johnny Speediron Nov 8th, 2008 at 11:26 pm


  137. 137 hoyt Nov 9th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Conrad writes: “At this point it may be a good time for you to stop the comments that are rudely based towards my father.”

    hoyt writes:

    At this point you might want to re-read the posts above. Jeff tried to be funny after I posted relevant comments and links that were of interest and had parallels to some content from nicker & Mike G.

    So, I responded. I think Jeff can handle it on his own.

    Conrad writes: “You, and many others on here, can type up a fu*king storm but when it comes time to really use those 5 fingers as a death punch I bet you are just another person with a pocket protector and a big fucking mouth. SHUT UP. OK?”

    hoyt writes:

    No, I’m far from pocket protectors. Guys with pocket protectors are free to speak and/or write their mind, anyway. No, I will not shut up.

    Conrad writes: “Now as for your rude little comment about the Bush bike. My dad had a very interesting e-mail sent to him aswell as a phone call about building another “BIG” bike project for a very well known person. Whether he is Republican or Democrat it does not matter. All Ican say is it will completely shock the hell out of you.


    As my dad said earlier. Lets get back to motorcycle talk, this is why Cyril built this site after all isnt it?

    A lot of people dont understand that the ELECTIONS ARE OVER WITH. OBAMA IS OUR NEW PRESIDENT AND WE MUST SUPPORT THAT. IF HE F*KS UP ILL JUST SAY I TOLD YOU SO. BUT IF HE DOES GOOD THEN HEY I WAS WRONG , AS MANY OTHER AMERICANS. So everyone listen loud and clear….CALM THE F*CK DOWN IT IS WHAT IT IS. OK? Thanks. I am just sick and tired of listening to everyone yell back and fourth at eachother liek a bunch of 7th grades girls.”


    hoyt writes:

    It seems you are the star-struck 7th grade girl (“oooohh, guess who called, Dad?”). It is not a stretch to think most of the readers here on not star struck and care more about a bike than the owner.

    Calm down? Check your caps lock the next time.

    Cyril built this site and posted these topics here as well for free dialogue, let’s leave it up to him. I see you went onto write something else about politics in your next comment. Contradicting yourself aren’t you?

  138. 138 harry Nov 9th, 2008 at 7:02 am

    Now would be a good time to close this post out, Obama is in much to my dismay, let’s get back to bikes for a change…

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