Breaking News. Joint Venture Between Kiwi Indian & Klock Werks

miketomaskiwiindian2brianklockkiwiindianKiwi Indian and Klockwerks have formed a joint venture to help move both companies forward. Mike Tomas has already moved its parts distribution from California to Mitchell SD with Klockwerks. No doubt that Mike was looking for a more friendly tax, financial and legislative environment (among other constraints, think of EPA and CARB). Mike tells me than him and Brian Klock are very close friends and that they share the same long-term vision about the future of their businesses. Kiwi Indian’s Service Repair work, Restorations, Manufacturing and New Bike Building 
is still for now carried out in California at the same location. Of course it will be no surprise that over time, Kiwi Indian move all his activities in friendly South Dakota.

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50 Responses to “Breaking News. Joint Venture Between Kiwi Indian & Klock Werks”


  1. 1 Ronald Kelley Jun 7th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    I understand that Kiwi is looking for a more friendly place, but I don’t see at all the affinity of work between the 2 companies. Joint ventures between 2 builders have never worked before because builders have a too strong personality and individualism, but I wish them good luck.

  2. 2 Jeremy Jun 7th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    The worst thing for a custom builder is to be in California. But watch out. In 5 years all States will be as unfriendly as CA is now, including South Dakota. Is true custom building already dead?

  3. 3 Peter Z. Jun 7th, 2009 at 11:25 am

    I hope that this joint venture is not due to financial issues, or it;s going to make it twice worse. If Kiwi should move anything first, it should be the custom building part of the business. There is no advantage of selling custom parts from SD instead of CA. But there is a big advantage of NOT building bikes in CA.

  4. 4 Grayhawk Jun 7th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Ronald

    It may just be an interim move and I did not read into this that they were being combined into one, just a joint venture so might just have some nice resulting items from a joint venture. If Mike is moving it all over time the parts would be the most labor intensive. More friendly for sure plus it puts Mike a lot closer to all the Antique meets, basically cuts his trips in half except for Eustis which would still be a bit of a haul for the

  5. 5 Grayhawk Jun 7th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    sorry, Last sentence cut off should have read;
    a bit of a haul for the Kiwi Truck, pretty much centrally located for most of the Nationals.

    Mike just needs a big coat and might we see an Indian ice racer to run on that I-90 lake.

    Grayhawk

  6. 6 Jeff Nicklus Jun 7th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Mike – Brian,

    Best of luck with this new venture guys! Sometimes the coming together of polar opposites (styles not personalities) can work together to create true art!

    See you guys in August.

    Over & Out,

    Jeff

  7. 7 Lyle Jun 7th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Good Move! Right in the heartland where all the Indian action is. Good Luck Mike!

  8. 8 Shifter Jun 7th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    These fiancailles sound…a little bit weird, but best of luck to both builders.

  9. 9 krugger Jun 7th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    My best wishes to Mike and Brian!

    Soon a fast Indian bagger….;-)

    See you in Sturgis!!

  10. 10 Cj Hanlon @ Guilty Customs Jun 7th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Cyril, when I was out visiting with mike and his wife a few weeks ago during one of my “house hunting
    trips (yes am moving to SoCal and opening a shop there) mike and I discussed this matter. For those that know mike, he never does anything in a rash manner or without a lot of thought and preparation. Both these guys know what their businesses need in order to survive the current state of the economy (and the industry). They will be fine and we wish them all the success that is due them. BTW. I actually have pic’s of mike and his wife on a H-D! Yep. There is actual proof he can ride bikes other than Indian. 🙂

  11. 11 South East Small Fry Jun 7th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    CJ,

    Glad to hear you are moving to Cali.. Pretty smart of you to move to a state that is so tough to have a Custom motorcycle business in. Seems to me that would be the last place to move to, and start a motorcycle business. Do you think you will have the only custom bike shop out there? You are about 40 yrs too late. Be careful out there with rumor starting too, they dont take it as easy out there as other states do. Guilty is the perfect name for you. Just a word to the wise, what comes around, goes around. Here in the South East, we like to just sit and watch people like you self destruct, out there, who knows how they handle false rumors about other builders. Just make sure you know what you are talking about when you talk about others out there.

    Good luck,

    You are gonna need it

  12. 12 Orlando Magic Jun 7th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Good luck to Mike & Brian. Just avoid CJ and his blah, blah.. .

  13. 13 Greg Alsom Jun 7th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    A joint venture is about exchanging expertise, each party staying independent. The only risk is to end the joint venture but without financial prejudice except that it would cost more money to Kiwi if he moves everything to South Dakota. Don’t know who is CJ Guilty, but he doesn’t seem to me missed where he was..

  14. 14 6Gear Jun 7th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    I think that more joint ventures are necessary to help builders survive these tough economic times. But it’s true that builders are extremely individualists and forget where their financial interest may be.

  15. 15 Justin Jun 7th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    California or Dakota, or any state. EPA and ARB are going to catch all builders one per one. I don’t think that any Kiwi custom bikes can be titled in California because of engine, carb and exhaust. Probably reason of this on going move. California is the 1st Hell, Other states will follow and will hit hard.

  16. 16 nicker Jun 7th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Nothing wrong with joint ventures.
    Each brings a different capability to the “venture” that the other can leverage.
    So, the some of the two efforts is grater than what the individuals can deliver.
    Moreover, there’s nothing new about it either……Used to call-em “Power Partners.”

    OSD tried to sell this concept to Small DoD contractors to keep-em alive, as Billy Jeff Clinton was gutting the military, so he could spend the “Peace Dividend.”

    My opening joke at some of these symposiums, to illustrate the concept was:

    Two small business men, a Veterinarian and a Taxidermist, decideed to Powere Partned to improve their individual business cases. They co-located and hung out a new sign and slogan which read:

    J. Smith Vetrinaryian -&- F. Jones Taxidermist
    “Either Way, You Get Your Cat Back”

    Good luck Mike & Brian.
    When times get tough, the Tough get going.
    You guys are going in the right direction for the times.
    “Old is New.”….. 🙂

    -nicker-
    oh ya, sorry for yet another post….. NOT!!…… 🙂

  17. 17 Brian Klock Jun 7th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Cyril once again scoops the world, as we get set to release the “official” press release in the morning Monday, I just pulled this up to see how many words we should use. Mike, my wife Laura, and I are sitting at our kitchen counter and discussing the future right now. This is a project we have talked about for three years so in light of the economy yes, but more so an interest in working more efficiently for both entities and a desire to be gentlemen of the industry. I have long held Mike and Carolyn in high regard for their upstanding moral outlook on business, thus Laura, I and our team are proud to be associated and likely many of them will chime in tomorrow when they check the blog at work in the morning!
    We are excited as teams to share our talents and design with each other. To dispel the myth about personalities we have both been fortunate to share in build-offs, and garner our share of magazine coverage, to that end we hope to make both ends of the industry we touch better. There is a mutual respect and we are anxious to share designs in an effort to keep innovating.

    Financially, we are both fortunately strong, and this sharing of resources and talents amongst our teams does locate Kiwi’s parts centrally in South Dakota to reach many of the events and to ease the parts distribution lines. One warehouse, better shipping contracts, and improved customer service are all goals we hope for. Yes, growth and changes are difficult in any setting let alone a down economy. Our families and team have prayed for guidance and thought the time was right. If you are in Riverside, go by and visit and if you happen to be headed east toward I-90 for Sturgis, we really want you to stop off in the Corn Palace city and see the new setup.

    Nicker, love the “Either way you get your Cat back” comment. You definitely can’t know where you are going if you don’t know where you have been. We all are smiling as I write this and look forward to the challenges ahead. The camaraderie that is motorcycling lives on, thanks for all your well wishes everyone!

    Laura, Mike and Brian reporting as we cook up something in the kitchen!

  18. 18 Kirk Perry Jun 7th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Yep, if not for the AMA, and their bird-dogging of the EPA regs. “Item G”, of the March 2004 EPA report, we wouldn’t have any voice at all.
    Just remember though, the government (CARB) in California will lump motorcycles in with autos and trucks in that Emissions Compliance swoop that have going on.
    That Chinese lead paint content fracas got temporarily aquashed, but not until some “names” made some real noise. Back pedaled pretty fast though….if only for a years stay of execution.

    First off, you’d think that since S&S® has their new Knuckle listed as a “limited miles custom”, then maybe that’s the way it’s going to go. The “custom” is also included in section of “section G”, along with the one-kit-per-person-per-lifetime builds.

    The groove that the gov. counts on, is that we aren’t organized. They’re counting on us to continue quacking, and into the fading distance about it, until it’s too late.
    I wonder where the AMA stands on the EPA issue today, June 7, 2009?
    Still bucking for our one-kit-emissions exempt rights?

  19. 19 Cade Jun 8th, 2009 at 6:20 am

    Jeremy wrote : Jeremy
    Jun 7th, 2009 at 11:21 am
    The worst thing for a custom builder is to be in California. But watch out. In 5 years all States will be as unfriendly as CA is now, including South Dakota. Is true custom building already dead?

    Grayhawk,
    Can you address this one for us ? Especially that in 5 years all States will be as unfriendly as CA is now.

    Looks to me that Jeremy is right on and with the political adminstration the way it is now there seems to be no way out for custom builders.

  20. 20 Bonneville´s fastest naked man... Jun 8th, 2009 at 8:16 am

    I was going to wish some luck on them, but they don´t need it; both are excellent professionals and better characters…. Need a partner in Spain? 🙂

  21. 21 Grayhawk Jun 8th, 2009 at 8:20 am

    There is a bunch of guys and gals that read/comment, some comment some don’t some just read this blog that are more in the bird seat than I, closer to the pulse if you will and may have a better feel than I but make no mistake the issue is real for all.

    But With my limited knowledge and loads of opinion; to me the issue is two fold – bikers really uniting/getting involved and not just lip service and secondly the by and for the 2010 elections.

    I know full well in saying that some will say I am being political but reality in my book is that this issue is more political than not and can only be won/managed by voice, vote and a united lobby effort.

    This is a Congressional fight not a Presidental Preference. Get to know your representatives and most importantly what they really stand for and vote accordingly.

    Kirk is right in his statement, in my book, that other states will surely follow suit. The laws are on the books and have been for years implementing act by act, stage by stage, year by year and new laws and restraints are a coming unless fought by all and hard.

    Technology has done well keeping ahead of the pending but needs to do more so you air cooled guys expecially job is just beginning.

    As stringent as our, the US Clean Air Act is it is the lesser of the new Global pact originating in I believe 2005 that is on the horizon both are far reaching.

    A lot of bloggers on here knock riders of various OEM products, yuppies, rubs,, old guys and young bloods as well as the custom group but we/they all contribute and can contribute more if united under/for the root cause and effort that will affect all to one extent or another. Bottom line all contribute to your coffers in one way or the other whether you acknowledge it or not and you need them and their support and they need yours. Internationaly same scenario, more impacting in some regions some not so much but one world, one air, one biker community.

    I still think it starts with you individually and local shops on the local level with an umbrella like effort through Sema or ??? and state and nationally lobbied by the OEM’s and MC industry specific advisory groups or its not just if but when and to what extent we will all be riding electric whisper bikes, sorter of like a deafening silence approaching . Congress as a whole is not hearing your roar as it is a whisper and the loud, consistent and voteable roars get the most attention. Those of you that are compliance sharp and fact finders are extremely important as you have to deture legislation from a factual posture not generalities.

    FTW atitudes will turn heads, get attention and sooth some emotions but will not win the battle at days end, what do you want to do ball is in your court.

    My two cents.

    In the Wind

    Grayhawk

  22. 22 Grayhawk Jun 8th, 2009 at 8:26 am

    My bad I forgot to include the AMA, AMCA and all the others specifically that have been fighting the fight so much already.

    Grayhawk

  23. 23 Joe Mielke Jun 8th, 2009 at 9:10 am

    Due to our countries current state of affairs….It is truly unfortunate that when any sort of news about a business making a change initiates a knee jerk reaction. Change does not necessarily mean something is wrong or something is failing and that said change is an attempt to save failing businesses. I’m not saying anything derogatory towards the people who make that assumption. It is just sad that the actions of our government and big business has brought down morale to the point that many see change as the precursor to failure if not the result of failure. Funny how the word “Change” has such a defeated tone to it.

    The one thing the public and industry should understand is that two strong companies with common goals have dreamed of being closer to one another. That dream is coming true! We both have great products, great ideas and great dreams for the future. The Kiwi Indian and Klock Werks families have been growing close over the last several years. This is a very fun and exciting time. We are blessed!

    As citizens of this great country we are stronger than the politicians who fail us. We are stronger than the corporations who cheat us. Have faith in your fellow man. Raise him up when he succeeds and support him when he falls.

    To those of you on the blog with supportive words, Thank You!

    Sharing in the dream!

    Peace
    Joe

  24. 24 Grayhawk Jun 8th, 2009 at 9:23 am

    Be assured my last comment was in respect to a question asked not any criticism towards either company or status of the economy.

    They are both class acts. I most heartedly agree with Joe in that respect. I wish them both the best and glad to see Kiwi in a more central point of distribution, maybe see the Kiwi Truck at more meets,

    Grayhawk

  25. 25 Rodent Jun 8th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    It really don’t matter where you are physically located as the FED X, UPS, DOT, & IRS go everywhere.. Walk in traffic might be affected by location, location, location though.

  26. 26 Cade Jun 8th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    This is a Congressional fight not a Presidental Preference. Get to know your representatives and most importantly what they really stand for and vote accordingly…

    I do not know any political representatives…ie: politicians that can be trusted. They are all liers and a lier will not only lie to you he or she will also steal from you.

    We just can not get around politics here because the EPA is so political.

  27. 27 Kenny Price Jun 8th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    you can also add to the benefits of SD of no state tax and low workmans comp ins. SD will be one of the last hold outs for laws against motorcycles and the people that ride them.

  28. 28 Kirk Perry Jun 8th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    “AMCA and all the others specifically that have been fighting the fight so much already.”
    I’ve never seen any print that the AMCA is doing anything to keep the emissions exempt, one kit-per-per-per-lifetime, Section G. statue alive and chooglin’.
    I hear the AMCA knock V-Twin®’s Chinese parts plenty and then judge the same repop parts on an “antique machine” like they were OEM. Two faced-or what?
    The AMCA are the last people to try and help us keep our old iron, unless someone knows of their documented efforts to save un-corked motors, then they’re just a group of hangers-on.

  29. 29 Joe Mielke Jun 8th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Walk in traffic?

    Hey Rodent, Just this morning we had a customer ride in from Oroville Ca just to have us install a set of or Ergo Handle Bars. He wanted the bars and wanted to check us out, so he made the 2000 mile trip on his ’09 Ultra. As I type he is test riding one of our windshields.

    Life is good!

    Joe

  30. 30 Eric G. Jun 8th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Isn’t speculation wonderful! Freedom of speech and such readily handy outlets like the Internet have opened wide the gates of conversation…and speculation based on…well, opinion rather than facts.

    Joe said it perfect…and since he is right in the midst of it all, I take his comments to be more than accurate and well founded. The Kiwi-Klock venture is driven by the forward outlook and endless goals of two businesses that have success, and continue to see growing success, irrespective of the economy and industry shifts. I’ll bet Joe is very proud to be an integral part of KlockWerks success and is more than glad to now be directly involved with “Kiwi” Mike and Kiwi Indian.

    Knowing Mike as I do, I feel comfortable enough to say that nothing Kiwi does is in haste but rather is investigated, dissected, hashed over, discussed and contemplated until all angles have been evaluated to the point of exhaustion. Then, as the mad scientist he is, he repeats the whole damn process again…just to be sure! Brian and Laura (and Joe too)…whom I am somewhat acquainted with are held in such high regard by Mike that it can only be assumed they are of the finest calibre…and cut from the same cloth as Kiwi. If Mike is anything at all, he is cautious in the company he keeps. I have to say I clearly see what Mike sees in all of them…nothing but honest, hard work and dedication to what needs doing.

    That said, I have to believe that this venture is based not on an economic “Hail Mary”, nor on the emmisions controls of any one state or the central location, as much as it based on the shared aspirations of the visionaries involved. While all the points mentioned in the comments above may well be minor factors that add up to a great gain as a result of the meeting of the minds, I feel it is necessary to give Brian and Mike their due respect. Maybe…just maybe, this joint venture is nothing more and nothing less than a desired move by both KlockWerks and Kiwi Indian to keep moving forward on the road that has led both companies to the successful points they are at right now. Enough said…

    After all, there are still some folks out there that act on instinct, knowledge and tried and proven business practices. Kiwi I know is of this school. Klock I feel safe in saying is the same. My best wishes for your venture fellas…

    PS: So is it now “Klo-wi” or “Kiw-ock”? Ha…

  31. 31 Mike Kiwi Tomas, Kiwi Indian M/C Co Jun 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Foremost Brian and I have a very close friendship and mutual respect for each other. Both companies continue to grow and create new paths and are financially strong even in light of the economy. For whatever reason Kiwi’s growth spurts over our 21 years in business has always been in what is considered down cycle years in the US economy (for us we call it up cycle years).
    Bike building is only part of our business and we both compliment each other with our vision and styles. Both of our business are built around being innovative parts developers which once again we compliment each other.
    In the words of Brian Klock, “It’s all good”.
    In the words of Kiwi Mike Tomas, “She’ll be right mate”

  32. 32 Lyle Jun 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Not to mention better weather, less traffic, scenery…

  33. 33 Kirk Perry Jun 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Oh yeah, “she’ll be right”,……. but will you be able to register and license “her” in 49 states?
    I wonder how many of the 49 states have plans on the books to make emissions-exempt motorcycles outlawed.

    (This despite the fact that NASA just announced yesterday the “global warming: was a long seasonal thing and not mankind’s Co2 discharge.)

    What good is a combined business venture when you’re facing a “closed shop” for un-corked motors?

    If anyone is thinking of coming to California to start building motorcycles, it’s a mistake. Here it is a closed shop. V-Twin® is so concerned over it that they don’t offer any help at all.

    Happy motoring on old iron (if you already have one or five) in California. If not you missed it. And yes, any machine made outside of California cannot be brought into the state for licensing. You’ll last as long on out of state plates until you get pulled over by the CHP. 🙂

  34. 34 Malto67 Jun 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Mike and Brian,
    Congratulations Gentlemen! Mitchell Technical Institute is excited about the vision and business energy that you have brought to Mitchell and the surrounding area. The MTI Powersports program students and myself are truly blessed to have been able to spend time with you both and be recipients of your help and knowledge in our educational venture over the past year. I am honored to call you both friends.
    The current environment in the motorcycle industry is an exciting and challenging time for all of us. It is encouraging to my students to see business men that they respect make bold moves to grow their respective businesses and position their companies for future growth. The personalities comprising your individual teams possess your same drive and charisma, and that is what makes a great team!
    Leadership,vision and teamwork are the three basic elements of success. You guys have it. Good luck and thanks again for all your help.

    Hang in there Joe, In my experience there will always be those individuals who enjoy trying to tear us down. It’s what keeps life challenging…….and it builds character.

    sicerely,

    Darin Maltsberger
    Instructor, Powersports Technology
    Mitchell Technical Institute
    Mitchell,SD

  35. 35 Grayhawk Jun 8th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Hi Mike, good luck to you and Brian and your teams, glad your significent others pointed you guys in the right direction, ha.

    Are you going to be in same spot at Sturgis? I may be needing a distributor for my 41 chief.

    Yes I am a hanger on as well as other things and do so like seeing all the industry people and products in person. Walk in is nice if your there, internet is fine for research, education, of course buying and all the other good points.

    I just like to put my hands on it when I can. Hopefully the gas doesn’t get too high and we can all attend more meets/rallys as those rigs cost to roll down the road and most of us appreciate it when you guys show up.

    I need to be more centrally located myself as most majors are 1500 to 2500 plus miles from me.

    Mike I think your point about cyclic and down years is very important and a big part of the viability as I am sure any business running a historical timeline and comparing same to outside contributing factors will show a lesser big ticket pattern and increase in parts/service as people clamp down more on the discretionary big tickets and redue and upgrade what they have in leaner times. Some Diversity is not all bad.

    Cade believe it is past time we got some reps that represent, only one way to do that get involved, join the AMA, vote, etc. if not active or a member we all need to support positive voices that represent our interests.

    Kirk I can most assuredly say a lot more than not that are associated with the AMCA, support the AMA and many are members of both and support the industry as a whole as most of us hanger on’ers are riders and supporters of bikes period. AMCA hi-archy stances In print do not know off the top of my head,if n print someone will flag, but AMCA is an AMA noted club so mine and others point and support is same from that viewpoint. Judges are just that.

    Grayhawk

  36. 36 Kirk Perry Jun 8th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Look at it this way:
    Nancy Pelosi tells her buddies, “Whew!! I’m glad that Malcome Smith and his group finally left (aren’t in the news). Our import lobbyist got nicked, but at least the lobbyist that make life comfortable around here in D.C. know that we tried to bust China’s “lead-paint chops”.
    (That sos & so secretary of Malcome Smith’s even went out and made a big stink over the fact she bought a lead fishing weight sinker, and the instructions were to “clamp the lead ears with your teeth”.) Boy, howdy she got a lot of print over that! Made us laughing stocks here in D.C. – she has the nerve”, lamented Nancy. The lobbyist can’t really blame us for that”. (she thinks), then says, I hope those “one-emission exempt kit build” people go away, she fretted. “If they only know “how little” effort it took to get one-kit bikes the exemption they desire from the 2004 EPA regs., we’d be in deep trouble. We can only hope that Jay Leno stays busy in his shop with those Dusenburg “Edsels” and doesn’t wake up one morning, saying “I think I want to bust V-Twin’s® chops and build one of their Kit Knuckles the “Jay Way”, bottom to top”, wrang Nancy. “Or god forbid, Brad Pitt decides to build a kit. That “asphalt bum” lives over in California. Keep Brad out of the loop, he’s been seen riding a two-wheeler from E. L.A., open-primary, but he’s still lame to early Big Twin OHV, kick start machines. Maybe he’ll stay busy at home and out of the spotlight on this. Still, I’m worried for our loyal lobbyist”.
    “What we really wanted is to the “stop loud exhaust”, that some idiot bikers created as a slogan, “Loud Pipes Save Lives”. All those other grease monkeys followed suit, and the exhaust manufacturers, they all tried to see which one of them could come as close to noise level max. as possible. So, you know, the “kit-build fools” have no “customer numbers” presently. – But, don’t go and give them ammo, like they could, “opt for Mello-Tone® H-D® noise levels on their one-kits, and pay a higher carbon tax (even though they will drive them limited miles yearly”, she pleads, “and DO NOT give those “kit-monkeys” any ideas about borrowing the max. yearly mileage thing from the “G. Custom Bike clause” and adding it to the” G. One-Kit clause”, because the (Calif.) CARB and Congress might accept that as do-able”. “Don’t encourage kitters, !@Xx∞”, she said
    And that Cyril Huze site is becoming somewhat of a problem. If any thing starts over this one-kit bill of rights thing, and they get celebs involved, blame Cyril, because he’s from France! Perfect! – let’s go do lunch on a lobbyist nickle!”, as she wobbles out the revolving door in “non-sensible” spike heels.

  37. 37 thug custom cycles Jun 8th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    WELL ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT CJ FROM GUILTY CUSTOMS… IS HE’S A FAKE BIKE BUILDER WHO USES OTHER SHOPS NAMES (THUNDER CYCLES AND THUG) AND SAYS HE DID WORK FOR BOTH OF THEM… AND NEVER DID!! I TOLD HIM TO STOP SAYING THAT THEY DID WORK FOR US .. HE REPLIED…WELL JAYSON PAINTED A BIKE FOR YOU ONCE !!! AND HE WORKED FOR ME AT THE TIME SO ??? I SAID THAT BS , HE PAINTED FOR ME BEFORE YOU EVER USED HIM AND FINISHED THE BIKE RIGHT BEFORE YOU SCREWED HIM OVER TOO!! SO DONT BE A FAKER IN THIS SMALL WORLD… ITS GONNA COME BACK AND BITE YOU ON YOUR ASS!.. THEN HE ASKED US TO BUILD PIPE AND OTHER THING FOR HIM!! I WANT NO PART OF IT !! SAD TO SAY THAT HE COPIES OUR STYLE ON A FEW BIKES THEY DONE ,BUT NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A THUG BIKE!! THATS ONE RICH DUDE WHO DOSE IT CUZ HE’S BORED AND WANTS TO BE SOMETHING HE’S NOT!!! SAD TO SAY BUT ALL TRUE!! SO PLZ LEAVE FLORIDA ASAP!!!! THANK YOU AND GOOD NITE……

  38. 38 rocky Jun 8th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Let’s not forget being able to cut shipping time and cost in half for all the east coast riders. Actuially going to help the consumer, kudos KIWI

  39. 39 Jeff Jun 9th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    I have long considered Mike a good friend and know him quite well. He has only the best interest of motorcycling at heart and providing a living for his family while preserving the spirit of it all. I am not about to second guess his decision and trust that he knows better than I. I think the proof is in the pudding. 20 years and many products that simply did not exist prior to his involvement is all that needs to be considered. Support from we the bystanders is all that is required.

    As for me personally, I wish you the best of luck offer you all of my support. As you know my door is always open and my spirit is with you. Keep on truckin’, mate.

    Hey Klock, we have yet to meet but same goes for you. Good luck!! Looking forward to meeting you as well.

    JH

  40. 40 A 1 cycles Jun 9th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    both class acts…double the power..do the math its simple. good luck mike and brian. not that youll need it. see you soon

  41. 41 BREWdude Jun 9th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Good luck to both! Someday I would love to build up one of those kiwi Indians!

  42. 42 Conrad Jun 9th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Thug,

    Dude shut the fuck up. No one cares about you, knows of you or likes you. Go away and stop doing this on everyones threads. Stop trying to fit in and be a ” bike builder” I think everyone will folow me on us being tired of your negative commentary everytime you mention something.

    Conrad

  43. 43 mike@timeless Jun 9th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    obama and radical cali pelosi ( what else can i say ) be prepared to give up the toys if you keep supporting them.

  44. 44 Cj Hanlon @ Guilty Customs Jun 10th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    Conrad, thanks for tell little thug to shut up. People have never been able to figure out where he get these things and his inferiority complex. I do commend you Thug though in not hiding behind a false name on this blog unlike southeast small fry and Orlando magic.

  45. 45 Eric G. Jun 11th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Here’s an idea for both Guilty and Thug and anyone else who wishes to comment on other goings on in the industry…save the comments for an article or place that is appropriate and quit wasting the time of others that are here to read about the issue in this article! The Kiwi-Klock joint venture is the reason we are here…not your personal squabbles. Give it up…or take care of it out behind some warehouse…but leave this and other blogs for the issue at hand. Please…

  46. 46 THUG Jun 12th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    CONRAD!!!!
    BRING YOUR LUNCH WITH YOU NEXT TIME SO I CAN SHOVE IT DOWN YOU LITTLE PIE HOLE YOU CALL A MOUTH!! HAVE YOU SEEN HOW MANY BIKES WE’VE DONE !!! GUESS NOT .. I ONLY SPEAK THE TRUTH AND DONT HAVE TO HIDE IT (PUSSY)!!! I’LL SAY IT TO ANYONES FACE !! EVEN A LITTLE PUNK LIKE YOU !!!! YOU LITTLE OFFICE FAG!!! SO PACK YOUR LUNCH AND BRING IT TO FLORIDA!!!! TUFF GUY BEHIND THE COMPUTER!!! YOU KNOW WHO I AM AND I DONT CARE =)

  47. 47 THUG Jun 12th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    CJ
    SAME GOES FOR YOU !!! YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY IS TRUE ….SO STOP IT !!! AND MOVE ON!! YOU GOT BLOGS STILL UP SAYING YOU HELPED OR DID WORK FOR US … NOT EVEN CLOSE!!! SO WHEN YOU TWO FEEL LIKE BEING MEN I’LL BE AT BIKE EVENTS JUST LIKE YOU…SO FEEL FREE TO COME SPEAK YOUR MIND TO ME FACE TO FACE!! THATS WHEN YOU FIND OUT IF YOU A MAN OR STILL A LITTLE BOY!!!!!

  48. 48 THUG Jun 12th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    CONRAD……
    I HEARD YOUR JUST A LITTLE DADDY’S BOY!!!! LOL THATS FUNNY … STAY UNDER DADDY’S WING!!!!!

  49. 49 South East Small Fry Jun 12th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    I hear you Eric G.,

    It seems that CJ just had to use this to let everytone know what he was doing. He is a nobody that wants to be somebody. He has ZERO talent and is hanging on by his fingernails to be a part of anything at all. Being a business guy, and being a bike builder are 2 seperate things. Very few people can pull both off at the same time. He needs to stick to the business part and get the hell out of the building part. His bikes are a joke. Even the articles that are written about his stuff, are so ass kissing and false that its really sickning. No real story there, all hype. Florida will be a better place in the bike world with out that fake ass in that state. Go to Cali. and kiss your boy Rick’s ass even more you little short, dumb 50’s hat wearing, rumor spreading ass.

    Someone who know’s

  50. 50 leohd Jun 16th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    well, with Brian Klocks greed, guess all the kiwi prices just got higher, if not they will

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