The controversy started on LinkedIn, the business oriented social network website used for business networking. A member of one of the motorcycle groups featured in this website, Louise Ann Noeth, a.k.a. as “Landspeed Louise” for her years of coverage of the dry lakes scene, explains that Jesse James claim that he set the world record for hydrogen-powered vehicles on June 16th on the southern California El Mirage Dry Lake is without merit. The reasons advanced are that 1- the activities were conducted without benefit of any motorsports sanctioning authority. 2- the vehicle was not inspected, nor certified and all the timing personnel were on the James TV payroll. She explains that all world land speed records require 2 runs over a 1 mile course within 1 hour and that Jesse was timed only one way on a total of 132 feet, short of 5148 feet, and that he made 3 passes over an 8-hour period.
The president of the Southern California Timing Association just stated that “Mr James did not set any official record. What he did accomplish was to exceed an existing speed record previously set by a BMW HR2 at 185 mph”.
And now my point of view. When Jesse sent me an email from the El Mirage Dry Lake to share with me the speed he reached, he never wrote that his record was FIA ratified. This event was setup, organized and filmed with as its main objective to become a new episode of “Jesse James Is A Dead Man” to be aired in August. Nobody is stating that Jesse didn’t reach this speed. And I am sure that the production will make certain that there is no confusion with what constitutes an FIA record. I am also pretty sure that the show viewers don’t care too much about the technicalities. And finally, knowing Jesse I would not be surprised if he climbs again aboard his hydrogen machine to make the required runs front of the FIA officials (picture Hildie Katibah for Spike TV).
JJ, Go make this OFFICIAL so these fools will close their pie holes!
Over & Out,
Jeff
One more time with official timers and scrutinizers in place to shut the nay sayers up .
Good Luck and HAUL ASS .
Ray
Agreed…I’m sure Jesse would gladly oblige any challenge to go before the “official” record keepers.
There’s always some nerd wanting to shit on the accomplishments of people who actually get out there and push the limits. JJ will get out there and show them again and then the b.s. whining can be put to rest.
Hello Jesse ! ! !
if you brake the 200 mph barrier, we offer you a ” Los Tremendos Latinos ” t-shirt in addition to the famous red cap ! ! ! !
Bonne chance ! ! ! ! !
Actually, the “nerd” is correct. Passing technical inspection is a major deal to run in the streamliner class which has the most difficult specifications. Many of the items required either add weight or intefere with speed equipment. Why should someone who hasen’t gone through technical inspection or ran two passes within a certain time period be given the official record. Should everyone who has broken the record on one pass, just to either blow their engine or not complete the second pass be granted a record? Should we start bending the rules on some of the safety features that are required? These guys aren’t “fools” they have a purpose so everyone can compete on the same clasification, rules, and most of all safely. I’m not taking anyting away from JJ either. What he did was quite the accomplishment. But I’m sure he knew as well as his team that it wouldn’t be an official record,.
I don’t think Jesse gives a “shit”. He’s always said that he doesn’t have anything to prove to anybody. He lives life on his terms. The pass is on film. It’s for HIS T.V. show, ., and its not called ” World record breaker” or anything of the short.” It’s about HIM pushing HIS limits. I know that I’ll watch the episode regardless of “Official ” record or not. If he runs the pass under FIA rules it will be because he wants to not because he has to. Good luck, Jesse.
Who cares if it is official. it is more proof that hydrogen is a viable fuel source in the future. No matter what you do there is some bunch of morons out there trying to steal your thunder or knock you down.
I agree with Lyle, what Jesse did was cool, but if he wants to be official, do it the right way. If he doesn’t care, which he might not, then don’t worry abou it, just don’t be mad if someone does it officially later and only gets the record by hitting 190MPH.
Spike TV’s promotion for “Jesse James is a Dead Man” announces that Jesse James is a direct descendant of the outlaw Jesse James. This in fact is a falsehood and misrepresentation. Mr. James has been invited to prove his claim to the James family, to which he professes to belong. He never has done so. Instead, he continues to falsely misrepresent himself. Now Mr. James claims to have broken a land speed record. Once more, Jesse James produces no authentication by reputable authorities to support his claim. The only record Mr. James can produce is a record of misrepresentation and falsehood, for which he is becoming well noted.
Scott,
You stated “No matter what you do there is some bunch of morons out there trying to steal your thunder or knock you down.”
So…Are you calling Jesse James a moron & accusing him of trying to steal the thunder or knock down the BMW HR2 team that set the 185 mph record???
Larry
I am not sure what Mr. James is claiming. Quite frankly i do not watch his television antics much. Having been a Bonneville racer and record holder for many years i respect the requirements for setting records be they international or national records. The accepted standards are two way runs over a mile (or kilometer) with the average being 1% above the existing record. Mr. James did not meet the standards. While i respect that he did go reasonably fast, he did not set any record. then solution is for him to enter and run at one of the sanctioned meets by the SCTA or USFRA and run for a record at one of these meets.
Jesse James and Cyril Huze…you all need a good verbal ass whippn for making such false statements about Breaking The World Record Run! This Hollywood garbage is just like the trash that spills over from the White House into our economy…..Lies and make believe bullshit. Enough is Enough.. Do you think the respected supporters of West Coast Choppers deserve any thing less?
Before you claim “World Record Run” do what the Motorsports sanctioning requirements-guidelines/rules and vehicle inspections ask for. I believe you Jesse have the finances and recourses at hand to make this accomplishment an “official record”. What’s next Jesse, your gonna say you actually fly airplanes and break airspeed records without an actual pilots license? Common now, lets don’t say we’re something when we’re not…. it’s insulting to those who actually do…. no one steps on your dick about building choppers…don’t junk up the record books and insult those who do actually live in a reality way of life… 😉
I was a respected supporter of WCC~ but not so sure anymore…
I’ll probably take a beating for this, but so be it…. no phoney shit here…
SinFuel
Ah/or, maybe promotion at its best. Play on words/Promote thru words or the lack of a speciific word. State world record, do not state or claim official world record.
Create interest for show – increase viewers, sponsors get increased audience for their buck spent. Generate awareness for attempt with cleaner fuel vehicle and set stage for maybe long range thinking; i.e., second season episode of official run attempt, a rematch if you will.
Publicity with minimal advertising cost thanks to bloggers/water cooler talk, etc., another t-shirt screening line. Marketing at its best and having fun at the same time, can’t beat it with a stick.
JJ’s way of stimulating the economy: employing crews, tv extras, supporting episode location area businesses, product producers selling advertised product. Good Job/Good luck.
Watch out for the nail spikes as that is dangerous even under controlled filming, as much as one can control riding on ice with spikes.
Before I get nailed on the cleaner fuel point, one can extract hydrogen from sources other than hydrocarbon based coal. Air Liquide for one, (just happens to be a french owned gases company Cyril,) I believe uses a process of hydrogen extraction from a Natural Gas/Methane gas process, believe its CH4 being broke down but don’t quote me and the electric power to run the plant could come from Nuclear power source. About as clean as we’ll get 2 million windmills and hydro electric power aside.
One has to admit JJ’S episodes different and more challenging than slinging tools across the shop filmed antics. Both promote both sell.
Grayhawk
If I shoot and kill you with an untested, unlienced, illegal gun, are you dead?
Not if it happened as part of a made for TV episode.
While I respect a lot of what JJ is doing, I stopped watching after the phony “police chase” episode which was a crock. Racing thru the streets of an abandoned housing development and a phony run thru a golf course turned me off.
Jesse ,
Let me be the first one to offer up my time to me a member of your pit crew. If you decide to take the streamliner to Bonneville. You could actually go after a few records there. Maybe do something silly like build the worlds fastest limo.
Who knows? Go there have fun attempt to break a record. If you do great, if not oh well it was fun trying.
Gabe Larkins
Further to my last comment so it is not misread, if JJ was going for the official record it would have been set up as a record run, with all dots dotted as it is not his first rodeo. It was imo a first run a staging run for things to come.
Grayhawk
Congrats to Jesse to meet his own satisfaction, but hats off to all our sanction of LSR of safety & rules that everyone should follow not just a choosen few.
There are a lot of good points above.
When there is an agreed upon standard in which thousands of people exert huge effort, time, money, and then put their lives on the line for the 2nd run, “world record” cannot be haphazardly stated unless it is witnessed by the agreed upon sanctioning body.
Gotta go with Hoyt on this one.
Words and protocols mean something.
Without them everything is meaningless.
-nicker-
Would Jesse be Jesse if he didn’t ignore the rules? This whole thing was about shooting an episode for his TV Show and nothing more. He could give a rats ass about any land speed record. Ratings my friends ratings.
Whatever record he did or did not break he accomplished exactly what he wanted to. That is weather your comments are good or bad your all talkin about him NOT YOU. good job jesse live the dream
The James Preservation Trust
Jun 24th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Spike TV’s promotion for “Jesse James is a Dead Man” announces that Jesse James is a direct descendant of the outlaw Jesse James. This in fact is a falsehood and misrepresentation. Mr. James has been invited to prove his claim to the James family, to which he professes to belong. He never has done so. Instead, he continues to falsely misrepresent himself. Now Mr. James claims to have broken a land speed record. Once more, Jesse James produces no authentication by reputable authorities to support his claim. The only record Mr. James can produce is a record of misrepresentation and falsehood, for which he is becoming well noted.
So what you are saying is that Jesse is Not related to the real Jesse James?
If you have proof of this post it. If not don’t knock him for saying he is.
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