Harley-Davidson Production To Shut Down For 14 Weeks

harleyyork Harley-Davidson Sportster and V-Rod motorcycle final assembly operations and V-Rod motorcycle powertrain production in Kansas City, and production of Sportster motorcycle powertrains in Wauwatosa will be shut down for approximately 14 weeks in 2009, including the entire fourth quarter. The company anticipates that other production operations will be shut down for a total of approximately five weeks over the rest of 2009. Harley-Davidson plans production shutdowns and line rate adjustments at powertrain operations in Menomonee Falls and Wauwatosa, Wis., and at motorcycle assembly operations in York, Pa., and Kansas City, Mo.

Harley-Davidson earlier this year announced plans to consolidate its two Milwaukee-area powertrain (engine and transmission) plants into one facility; consolidate paint and frame operations at its York facilities into one plant; and close its Franklin parts and accessories distribution center and consolidate those operations with general merchandise distribution through a third-party logistics company. Harley is also studying if the York can achieve cost and efficiency targets to it viable, or alternatively, or if the company will relocate the York operations to another U.S. location.


42 Responses to “Harley-Davidson Production To Shut Down For 14 Weeks”

  1. 1 BikerMarc Jul 23rd, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Ya gotta do what ya gotta do to achieve, maintain, and sustain margin.

    Is it enough?

    Looks like an reactionary expense management move rather than a proactive “let’s get them sales up Team”. action.

    Where’s the Marketing & Sales Team? What ya doing for your Dealer’s sales enhancement?

    Hey, its just my two HD-lovin cents.

  2. 2 Brandon Jul 23rd, 2009 at 8:59 am

    Will get better…one day.

  3. 3 Jeff Nicklus Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:07 am

    This move may be to little to late …. time will tell.

    Over & Out,


  4. 4 steveb Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:43 am

    dang, what a difference a year makes

    this all seems so reactive and lacking strategy… sad

    i wonder what the 1-3-5-10 year strategic business plan is… smells like their isnt one….
    I’d love to be a fly on the wall during corporate these strategy sessions

  5. 5 Fred P. Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:36 am

    You have to have customers BUYING product to be succesful. Sales incentives do not make up for lousy customer credit scores, banks not willing to participate in luxury items, and low and behold, will I have a job tommorrow.

    To Jeff Nicklus: I asked you a while back if you were going to build an Obama bike, like you did for President Bush? See what happens, you dissed the Obama, and he getting revenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Senator McCain, where are you!!!!!! (Now if he got a bike, I bet we would be getting the help we need.

  6. 6 just my opinion Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Wonder if this surprises anyone? The HD sportster rebuy was a joke. My sister inlaw was going to buy a new sportster after seeing the ads, but after the dealer told her she had to do all matainance with HD at there assigned rate and time and had to pay full list for the sportster and any new bike at trade in. It worked out that she would have spent more money getting a sportster than she did buying a used Dyna with less than 1000 miles. HD will have to cut cost and come out with a solid plan to sell bikes or this may be the final days for the Davidson family. The good news is that Mr. Warren Buffett does know a thing or two about how to save a company and he will hopefully get HD back in the game. The worse news is that Mr. Buttett also knows a thing or two about liquidating a company as well. The clock is ticking. I personnally hope HD can get there act together and save them selves. As much as I hate to agree with Jeff about anything. He may be right this time. Time will surely tell.

  7. 7 FUJI Jul 23rd, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Jeff .
    If anyting comes out of all this I can see a bonding of brothers .

    Just my opinion. LOL

  8. 8 FUJI Jul 23rd, 2009 at 11:11 am

    We’ve been able to maintain Harley-Davidson Financial Services position as a stable, consistent source for financing for dealers and consumers. That’s been no small feat. I believe it reflects the underlying strength of the HDFS business model as well as the broader stapability of the Motor Company in Harley-Davidson, Inc
    Remember all the ” rhetoric ” or BS .

    AS STATED BY JIMMY Z .———– 3RD QTR 2008

    Would Jimmy lie to his loyal? Oh ! He was resigning at this time I forgot

  9. 9 Boss Hawg Jul 23rd, 2009 at 11:39 am

    HD does and will continue to have major problems from very poor in-house economics.

    Moreover as the younger entitlement generation begins taking controls of the sport bikes and sport bike like cruisers that are 1/2 the price.

    Better sell your stock boys and buy some damn dirt to root around in.

    Boss Hawg

  10. 10 Dave Blevins Jul 23rd, 2009 at 11:55 am

    I think this is a way to generate a lot of buzz as much as anything else. It is obvious that Harley (and everyone else as well) does need to produce as much product as in recent years, so time to thin the down the employee numbers, scale down or even close facilities no longer needed, and whatever else necessary to better align your production needs for the current market. It was a great boom over the last 15-20 years but everyone knew it couldn’t last forever.
    I feel that Harley will be around for a long, long time to come, and as they say… there is no such thing as bad press. We’ve all been tightening out belts lately, it’s just when Harley does it everybody talks about it. This is a lot like the press strategy they used 30 years ago, it served them pretty well back then too!
    Just my 2 cents.

  11. 11 Dave Blevins Jul 23rd, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Oops, that should read “doesn’t need to produce”…

  12. 12 Jeff Nicklus Jul 23rd, 2009 at 12:48 pm


    ……” As much as I hate to agree with Jeff about anything. He may be right this time.” ……

    That quote sounds like the makings for a t-shirt to me!

    FYI: Here is where I would start to fix Harley if it were my company:

    1: Renegotiate the union contracts or throw the bastards out.

    2: Immediately sell off the Finance arm of the company.

    3: Cut production back to no more than 25,000 total units per year worldwide. This would bring back the era of difficulty in acquiring a new Harley and drive prices and profits up.

    4: With the limited availability of new motorcycles the public will be forced to buy replacement parts to keep the existing scooters running ….. high margin profits.

    5: Consolidate all manufacturing under one roof, in a new state of the art facility, located somewhere in the mid-south / south. The relocation could be bargained off to the economic development people in many cities and states and enormous tax credits and other concessions could be gained.

    6: Sell all existing manufacturing facilities not in use.

    7: Limit the CEO/President to a $250,000 salary without and stock options or Golden Parachute clause … produce or hit the road. All other “Officers of the Corp.” would be limited to a $100,000 salary and likewise no stock options and the same hit the road policy. The free ride is over.

    8: Limit the Board of Directors to 8 seats. Each Board member to be paid $1.00 per year in salary and no stock options. No family members shall be allowed to sit on the Board. No union members, of the company, shall be allowed on the Board. Two (2) year maximum term limit.

    9: Consolidate all long term debt into a maximum of a 10 year payout. Possibly some of the debt could be absorbed by the Economic Development folks … see No. 5 above.

    10: Harley should make a bigger push on their high margin items like the clothing, trinket items, widgets and gadgets.

    11: Fire Willie G. ! (Actually this should be the number 1 priority item)

    Anyway that is where I would start.

    Over & Out,


  13. 13 Susan Brenner Jul 23rd, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Jeff. Agreed on the 11 points. Congrats. Jeff Nicklus for Harley CEO. Cyril Huze replaces Willie G. For President Of Design.

  14. 14 FUJI Jul 23rd, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    YEP THE BONDING HAS BEGUN ! . Free T – shirt ! Damn.

    I’am still camped out on the curb waiting on my bike delivery from you know who. and he said trust me. LOL

  15. 15 Jeff Nicklus Jul 23rd, 2009 at 1:22 pm



    Over & Out,


  16. 16 FUJI Jul 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Jeff Nicklus

    That sounds like double talk to me says my Momma.

    I’am not sure that you would come to my funeral even if I were wearing one of your T – shirts. LOL.

    1. throw the bastards out
    2. pi—– into the wind . a better return
    3. number sounds high
    4. no dealers left
    5. north carolina kings mountain
    6. hopefully not china
    7. to generous
    8. right on
    9. to generous and liberal a plan
    10. could china keep up with our needs.
    never understood people who bought into his knight hood

  17. 17 J Jul 23rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Yep, Jeff makes good points- most of them are doable.

    The finance arm is a black hole- all it is at this point is an avenue for Buffet to walk in and liquidate the company. Buffet recognizes an opportunity here- you buy the equity of a company when there is strong management, you buy the debt when there is weak management.

    So realistically, give the finance arm zero market value- by the time Harley sorts out their TARP money from the goofy-ass credit-swaps they’ve made, that is prolly being overly optimistic.

    If I was still in the investment banking biz, I’d suggest to Harley to go private, thus not have to deal with all of these public hassles anymore….. On the otherhand, it’s tougher to enrich the insiders when you’re private, and I doubt that these jackels have picked all the meat off the bones that they want to yet….

    Does raise an interesting question tho… How is Harley justified in shutting down these plants AFTER receiving public monies within the past month? So Harley is just going to sit there on taxpayer money and sell t-shirts? Where does this money REALLY go? We can pretty much guess it’s not being doled out to the dealers- any signs of inventory buyback?

    Didn’t think so.

    Isn’t this a PUBLIC company? Enighten shareholders, Harley!

    I want my tax money back, thanks.

    Hmm- a bloated corporation that can’t make major product changes without years of lead time and massive committee-think, while being supported financially by the government….

    Remind you of anybody?

    Isn’t this why Harley left AMF in the first place?

  18. 18 Sumdumguy Jul 23rd, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    I’ll take that CEO spot for 100k. But just like me, anyone else who’ll take it at that rate ain’t qualified.

  19. 19 Sumdumguy Jul 23rd, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Sorry 250k & no stock. Still…

  20. 20 Sumdumguy Jul 23rd, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    See, not qualified. Caint even read good.

  21. 21 Mike Jul 23rd, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Wow, Jeff, you seriously missed the mark on this one. I’m surprised, because your posts are usually excellent.

    Your item list of to-do’s at Harley would seal their fate and put them out of business for good. Pretty much all of your list would be horrible ideas of things to do.

    Harley is run by some very smart people. I think they know what they are doing.

    Any for-profit company exists to make money. Cutting production by 90% is exactly the opposite of how to make a profit. They need to adjust production to match demand, which they are doing.

    They have already over-merchandised the Harley name. Diluting it even more by merchandising would be a bad idea.

    The bottom line is that if there is demand for 200,000 bikes per year in the USA, and if Harley made 25,000, that just means the doors are wide open to competition, and not only that, for a competitor to eclipse Harley in sales.

    On the pay front, why would you want to ensure no great executives want to work for Harley by limiting pay to $250k a year for CEO and $100k a year for all others? That’s crazy. Union plumbers make $80k here… their education is one step above illiterate. A CFO is only worth $20k more?

    Bad ideas, all of ’em. Harley has an excellent management team made of some real sharp cats. That’s why Harleys are great bikes now, when they used to be unreliable POS’s 20 years ago. It’s also why sales have risen dramatically, and Harley actually makes hundreds of millions of $$$ a year, rather than being perpetually on the brink of BK like they used to be (and like Indian, et al) are now.

    My .02

  22. 22 Grayhawk Jul 23rd, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    I do not believe too many in this industry really would like to see HD go under as surely that would have ramifications all thru the industry and surely a whole bunch more would be against the wall as well if it got to that point. HD is realigning and the new management is pulling the trigger faster then a lot affected will want now as one watches from the sidelines, they took a chunk off the size and the economics kept slipping so their taking some more now down to about 1999 production levels and all that goes with it; dealers including.

    If you had a peak production of 350k or so units a couple of years ago and now down to say 220k by yearend everything being equal, well you do the math on the balance sheet.

    Just like all manufacturers/retailers/dealers in the different regional areas of the country those located in the areas of deepest despair and who have smallish markets or even those in metro areas in bad economic areas of the country with a shop big or small every 10 miles or so circling the city will see the downsize just as GM and Chrysler did, just a reality of numbers to balance and bring inline with product builds. Smaller like business doing the same to scale of their business or the lack of.

    HDFS well that is the deep whole, you can cut overheads and production to suit but you still have tp get back in the green thus the talf secured loan.

    Since HD is not being government run yet as they did not take nor get tarp funds and that’s a good thing or Fiat, (reference only to make a past point for my Fiat/Dodge) or (?) company may own a US motorcycle company right out by now or worse government harleys. The money was a talf loan again a bit different then tarp but financial debt for sure borrowed from a borrower has to be controlled and paid back to sustain and grow again.


    The numbers and trends I looked at on the net for sales as far as financial analyst projections for HD MC sales read mostly by my read that 09 was dead in the water as far as any projected sales gains and will continue to drop percentage wise at year end which is why the plant shutdowns why make more than you can project to sell, better late than never on that one.

    With mid 2010 looking as the turn point but not sooner as/and that is much in line with the best guessers in and of the economy as a whole, that’s hopefully assuming we do not shoot ourselves in the foot further. Time to hide the shovels from those who dig holes.

    Pelosi still leading us down the path? Only politicians would use a crisis and a panic’d country to further their interests disguised in mammoth paper piles of legislation.

    In regards to Chinese ownership well believe the Brits and Aussies are buying a bit more of the HD stock for the time being since first of the year for sure in respect to HD, by a company that used to be an American company called I believe Dean Witter, then it became Morgan Stanley of UK with control and started a bit of buying of HD stock so it then/was a UK backed/based company but not for long or solitaire as hold on now its MorganStanley/SmithBarney yet another consolidation of two as of recent so the Brits and Aussies as two wings of one new company now like the HD brand stock at the moment . Didn’t Morgan Stanley just become a holding company funny how all things tie together, follow the money


    Sound familiar while we’re all arguing amongst ourselvelves about what the what ifs are or might be we, Americans, do not even own majorities in companies of American origin anymore. Amoco now BP and on and on, what is it only Exxon is the only US major oil company left?
    The International world we live in will continue to evolve, maybe we can buy some of America back one day if we wake up but better not piss and moan on the sidelines and increase debt much more or some holes become to deep to climb out of.

    As far as HD info being public It is all on the record, HD info that is and can be easily sourced as they are public and of public SEC and Stock info/filings/reportings as is all available on the net, etc. as referenced by only two of such links above.

    You probably will see some more downsizing and consolidations as I have said before and probably since the north is not as tax and business and labor friendly for lack of a better term for all cases being discussed as options you probably might see movement of manufacturers relocating. Why did they, HD build in Kansas City those years ago instead of in the areas of their origin?
    If one was a community or state leader in a struggling state or city one would/should do something to keep the flight from happening but they seem to just keep entitling/taxing/burdening themselves into ghost towns/states, who does that serve, maybe just government run entities?

    Bad for HD bad for most in this industry as its typical to the situation as a whole.

    On the Road to Sturgis tomorrow time to have some fun.

  23. 23 Jeff Nicklus Jul 23rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm


    I totally disagree. If the management team in place is so sharp why are they borderline bankrupt?

    Management base salaries without stock options and include specific significant performance bonuses is the only way to go. Anyone worth their salt will prosper in such an environment and the rest will fall by the wayside.

    The first thing that should be done is to get the SEC out of the picture and bring the company back into the private sector. Next the company must divest itself of their finance arm ….. it is an anchor without short term rewards and short term rewards is what is going to furnish much needed operating capitol.

    Harley needs to create excitement for the brand again …. It needs to be more of an exclusive club instead of the cookie cutter bikes and brand they have become. Limited production does that as well as addresses many other problems at the same time. Production can be increased as needed much more efficiently and profitable than cut backs and shut downs.

    Anyway, just my opinion for what that is worth.

    Over & Out,


  24. 24 Stephen Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    I have enjoyed reading all your comments. Down under here is Australia HD is way over priced and their dealers are very rude to their customers. A standard soft tail is over AU $35k new.

    I can get a custom made bike ( based on Ultima components Soft tail, 6 speed, 127 Cu in) for AU $28k or $35k with big name components like S&S 124 & 6 Speed baker.

    Makes you think, do I spend my money with a custom builder who lives for motorcycles or with some rude salesman selling overpriced product. No wonder HD sales are falling, even here in Aus.

  25. 25 jatinder pal Jul 24th, 2009 at 2:47 am

    Hope employees are getting paid holidays….

  26. 26 jt Jul 24th, 2009 at 8:18 am

    Jeff,, do you have a day job???

  27. 27 Rodent Jul 24th, 2009 at 8:27 am

    HD’ reports lousey sales and their stock goes up, weird

  28. 28 Brandon Jul 24th, 2009 at 8:34 am

    Rodent. You should know that when a stock is oversold because everybody expect bad financial results, the day the company announces measures to fix the problem, like firing people and closing plants traders immediately buy the under-valued stock

  29. 29 Jeff Nicklus Jul 24th, 2009 at 9:31 am


    Yes I do! I “multi task” very well … and I can type reasonable fast!

    Over & Out,


  30. 30 FUJI Jul 24th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Jul 24th, 2009 at 8:27 am
    HD reports lousy sales and their stock goes up, weird.

    Brandon gave you some good insight.

    Playing the market is not for the faint at heart at this time. At the present we are in a false run.
    It gets complicated . There will be some shorting on this stock when possible. STOCKS CAN BE ARTIFICIALLY INFLATED FOR A GAIN AND SHORTED FOR GAINS.

    The running 50 day average has been closer to or around 17dollars. My quess is that it will return closer to that mark.

    When it went over 20 dollars the red lights came on “STAY AWAY “.

    For those that bought stock at a very low rate “yesterday” was time to sell and walk away with a good gain then wait for it to settle and buy again.

    Don’t look for a “GOLDEN GOOSE ” anytime soon.

    May be wrong, have been before.

    It’s a crap shoot…..emphasis on crap. Unless you want crap on your hands, stay out of the stock market.

  31. 31 Brock Jul 24th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Harley is on the ropes….Look out !

  32. 32 James(kiwi) Jul 24th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    Geezus H Christ,
    You sound like a bunch of depressed house wives .Are you all on valium (mothers little helpers) and riot pack wine???.
    At least you are in the middle of summer and Sturgis beckons.Get out on a Sickle and ride hard,
    like the menace is loose again.

    Remember that is really what it is all about…… RIDING!!!!!!!

    Get your motor running ..head out on the highway..

    My apologies to messers Hunter and Wolf

    Take care all

    James (Kiwi)

  33. 33 Johnny Letdown Jul 24th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Harley should start making dirt bikes again…maybe team up with AMF.

  34. 34 David Jul 24th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    I think it’s time for AMF to take back over.Looks like H-D management has about run it back into the ground. Just look around guys all it has ever been about is the greedy puting another buck in their pocket, Bike industry, car industry, banking industry and of course lets not leave out GOOD OLD UNCLE SAM!!!!!!!

    Over and Over;David

  35. 35 Mike Jul 25th, 2009 at 1:56 am


    Thanks for your comments, but I must retort 🙂

    How do you figure Harley is on the verge of bankruptcy? They reported a $140 million net income for the first half of 2009. That was way down on the $400-some million they reported in the first half of 2008, but they also had to pump over $60 million into Harley Financial to cover the operating loss there, so they earned around half of what they did last year this time not accounting for the loss on the financial side. However you slice it, that is light years away from “verge of bankruptcy”. Many of the large car OEM’s sales are down 50% or so, and that always impacts profit disproportionately to revenues because the costs of running the business (leases, engineering costs, facilities, etc) don’t go down just because sales are down. They cut what could be cut, but profits will always take the biggest hit when sales drop. But they still earned $140 million in Q1 and Q2. That’s a lot more than most companies in the automotive sector are doing.

    If you look back the almost 30 years since they bought the place from AMF, they have done wonders. They bought it for $80 million, and in 2006 turned over a billion profit. A phenomenal success by any measure.

    Harley Financial is indeed losing money right now, but they didn’t before… and I doubt many lenders are turning big profits unless it’s with that free gov’t money. They need HF because that is what gets a large % of their buyers financed, and in good times it’s a cash cow. If they kiss it goodbye, they kiss a huge number of their sales goodbye too – a recipe for disaster.

    As for going private, any major manufacturer who stayed private is pretty much dead. Chrysler, Ducati, MV, Indian (again and again), TVR, and tons of others. There is a massive investment in equipment and infrastructure required to produce automotive machines, not really possible to do as an OEM if you’re private. Plus, who is going to finance the cost of taking HD private? Their market cap is $5 billion. And when they had net incomes of $1 billion, their market cap was $15 billion. Debt service alone on a $15 billion loan would be about a billion a year – they really couldn’t do it. Bonds would be an even worse way to go – it would saddle them with such debt that they would be sentending themselves to death.

    If they cut production and focused on merchandising, it would just dilute the brand. They are pretty picky on who they cross-merchandise with, and if they go the OCC route and start doing Harley video games and Harley cologne and Harley brand boutique water, they would become a laughing stock. Not to mention producing only 10% of market demand would drop their income by 90% (how would they service the $5 billion private-buy-out debt on $40mm income a year?), and it means other competitors would step in and capture the rest of the 250,000 American V-Twin cruiser market. Harley would be fools to willingly give up the pie to companies like AIH and Big Dog and Indian and whomever else was around.

    As a for-profit corporation, they exist to turn a profit. Nobody could argue they have done a bad job at that… part of turning a profit means taking care of the future and not selling today for the sake of sales tomorrow. Harley is doing a pretty good job of that too – their profit was up every year through 2006, and since then they are still profitable in the hundreds of millions per year, while most of their competitors are closing their doors.

    There have been books written on Harley’s management – it is one of the great USA success stories. I think the numbers back that up. I honestly don’t get the dislike of some towards the company… the bikes are reliable and sell well, and they are light years better than they were even since 10 or so years ago.

    no disrespect intended… I love that Harley is cranking out those bikes, because I love having 250,000 new bikes per year that I can manufacture and sell parts for 😀

    Cheers, and keep on rockin’ and rollin’.

  36. 36 just my opinion Jul 25th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Mike; God knows I almost never agree with Jeff on anything but your retort has some major flaws as well. You keep saying HD is making profits. If that is true why are they selling un-secured bonds at the rate of more than a BILLION dollars worth in the last year. There is a big differance between gross profit and net profit. Ford posted a gross profit of one billion last quarter but still lost money net. I have said before that I personally wish HD well but healthy companies don’t sell 500 million in un-secured bonds saying it will make them healthy, only to sell another 600 million months later then another several hundred million. Even stevie wonder can see there is trouble in paradise.
    Jeff; your idea of cutting production to 25000 units would kill HD. Nobody in there right mind cuts off there leg if they have an infection in there toe. HD has some major issues to deal with but I believe they will deal with them and go on to make money again. This hard economy is starting to turn all they have to do is hang on for another year or so then the profits will be back and all will be well. But that being said if they continue to sell those bonds they may not survive.

  37. 37 Jeff Nicklus Jul 25th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Mike, JMO et al,

    I misspoke when I said “25,000 total units per year worldwide.” What I meant to say is “25,000 total units per QUARTER worldwide”. That number would result in apx. a 50% reduction in current (as reported in the 2nd quarter report to shareholders) production rates.

    A good read is: Harley-Davidson Q2 2009 Earnings Call Transcript …. that can be found at :


    JMO, this report address your concerns regarding the bond issue.

    Over & Out,


  38. 38 just my opinion Jul 25th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    Jeff; that does make much more sense. I was beginning to think you bumped your head or started smoking the wacky stuff. LOL The artical that you put the link up for was interesting.
    I took this quote below from that artical.

    “And with respect to Harley-Davidson Financial Services, even though these are challenging times, the ability of HDFS to provide retail financing is a key strategic advantage for us and our dealers.

    So the progress that we have made in recent months with HDFS have been critical. As you know, we believe we’ve obtained the needed funding for HDFS into 2010 and we continue to work diligently on the future liquidity needs of that business.”

    I am assuming that HD is talking about the bonds here? And if so they have to pay Mr. Buffett’s company 15% interest. So to make loans against that money, they have to charge even more.
    Lets not forget the dealer gets a percentage of every loan so lets say the dealer takes less than he did in the past. HD would still have to loan at 16 or 17 % just to break even. Even that does not allow a profit. Anyone with good credit can borrow at less than half of that. Why would anyone borrow at 16 or 17% ? I think the only ones that would will be high risk and is that not what started this whole mess? It will be interesting to see how all this turns out.

    Jeff ; glad to see you have not fell over and bumped your head. The other I still wonder about at times. LOL

    Have a good day

  39. 39 Jeff Nicklus Jul 25th, 2009 at 7:30 pm



    Over & Out,


  40. 40 Axel Jul 26th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Anyone who thinks Willie G should be gotten rid of simply doesn’t understand the business of manufacturing and selling Harley-Davidsons, or any business at all for that matter. His designs, from the first Super Glides and Low Riders to the current Bobs and Crossbones, range from being merely hugely successful to iconic in their influence on not just the business, but the culture of motorcycles. He’s certainly missed the mark at times, but not nearly as often as every japanese maker has in trying to market cruisers.
    Now if you want to criticize the engineering of their current Big Twin engines and transmission ( and has the first two-piece touring frame broken apart yet?), well, that’s another story.

  41. 41 sloanie Jul 26th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    Thats bad news the shut down. all of us in australia Are paying to much for bikes. USD prices the sale would sky rocket.
    We Have one dealer bringing in harley’s and we pay to high price
    Please give us down under in oz with the Harley salescompany here,
    i have my eyes’ on the 2 sportsters straight up.

  42. 42 USA Jul 27th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    As the world turns

    Lets ride

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