Regarding the lawsuit opposing father & son, Justice Lewis Lubell gave yesterday both parties 60 days to resolve themselves all conflicting issues out of court. He asked them “if they want to continue draining money on lawyers or work out their differences like gentlemen?”
Paul Teutul Junior was fired by his father and the agreement signed at the time appears to the judge to be very ambiguous and subject to multiple interpretations (lawyers fault?). The different is about the real value of Orange County Choppers and the financial share going to each party.
Senior asked for a court-appointed appraiser to determine the true market value of the company. Junior, in a counter lawsuit states that OCC is mismanaged and asked the court to have a receiver named to run the company. Paul Junior request was denied by the judge but authorized him to have full access to the company records and accountants. I agree with the judge that a business different between a father and son who both participated to its success should be, as much as possible, be resolved out of court. Family first. Next round in 60 days. Orange County Choppers
They should have a cage fight to decide who gets what and discovery can do some pay per-view thing!
The saga continues…should name it “As OCC Churns”. Wondering if there may be any truth about Sr. drinking again? Does anyone remember?
Boss Hawg
Those poor guys had/have it made and Sr. would wipe up the floor with Jr.
I like the Judge, he understands the Cannibalistic nature of Attorneys. He also has a theory .that “Blood is thicker than Water”! He also feels that Father and Son, even witth their HUGE EGO’S, will figure out the Judges Theory and hopefully be able to apply it.
Bigalyts – I am willing to bet they don’t -;0)
Cheers,
John E Adams
Ya, it’s refreshing to see a judge not perpetuate the system and pad the lawyers pockets- the law is pretty cool when it works like it should;
That said, no way will Sr give Jr a real value on the company that Jr will be happy with…… Could also be that Jr is sniffing out some baloney finances that may exist within OCC- a lot of fast money traded hands during the heyday, would have been pretty easy for some sharpies to dupe Sr into believing he’s sitting on more than he really is-
I suspect we’re only in the 2nd inning of this saga……
Celebrity death match all the way throw Vinny and the Kid you got your self a Tag team match
Good to see a Judge use common sense. Oh this suite is going to get ugly. Great idea about the cage fight Dylan. That will spyke their ratings, and they can follow up with a theme bike,,,NOT.
A Shame that this relationship should be reduced to money. Anyone ever work for family or see family that worked together ever end in a positive manner..
Settle up Senior you built the company, Jr helped make it as successful as you did.. End it, get back to being Father and Son… Whatever you give Jr will be made back when your customers see how you man’ed up..
roll-on
IT STARTED TO TURN INTO SOMETHING INTO A SOAP BOX SERIES SHOW AND NOW WITH ALL THE ACTION COMING OUT THIS WILL DRAG ON LIKE THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES.
John E Adams
I agree as now you have their wives/girl friends ect so lots of cooks in the kitchen……..money many times ruins people and allows people to really show who they really are !!
most successful things fail because everyone gets greedy and starts believing their own bullshit
Why can’t they do it like normal families!!
Drink too much in a pub some where,have a brawl including women pulling hair and screaming.
Get thrown in the pokey over night.
Get worked over by the Ol Bill, incuding batoned kidneys.
Wake up in the morning with a screaming hangover,piss a little blood.
Get Bail.
Shake hands.
And move the fuck on!!!
See what happens when you give people money.They forget their Roots……….
Been there , done that, grew up working in family owned bike shop/dealership. Its a wonder we didnt kill one another. Nothing like seeing brothers call one another sob,s and a father call his son a bastard. I know many family business’s where family getalong great. When you get a little fame and money the egos explode.
Sad to see the collateral damage something like this does to a family. No matter what happens to OCC or tv show ( cancelled i think ) hope the future sees these men reconcile and restore the family. be happy and smell the nito. glide
My first business was a family business. My dad started it, my mom did 70% of the work the first few years and then when myself and my brother were old enough we took over.
We never once had an argument over money, My money, was my parents money, was my brothers. what was good for one was good for all of us. I never screwed them; they never screwed me. They had just spent a small fortune raising us as best they could, I just couldn”t see us making waves over money any sort of thank you for that. The only arguments we had was the direction the company was going.
In the end we agreed to disagree and closed down and went our own ways. 20 years later we all still talk on the phone almost daily.
No amount of money is worth more than family.
I think they should settle it like real men… a duel to the death with billy clubs.
Now that’s an episode even I might watch.
Fluke
Well said.
That’s the way normal people to act.
Wonder what the judge would do if he found out it was all an act…… ???
-nicker-
What ever the situation is no body knows the truth other than the teutels.
Lets face it,no one had influence the chopper industry more worldwide than teutels. Sr.build the company but with the help of Jr. Its like give and take relationships everywhere and ones who understand this,will be happier for rest of his life.
Its sad to see a group of talented workers are no longer together.
This is a bikers version of “War of the Roses” Both are so bull headed that they can’t see that they have/had a great thing and are willing to throw it all away.
The problem is that Jr’s head is the one that has gotten too big to fit through the door. I think when he started Paul Jr Designs he thought that the world would beat a path to his door and he started his BS when he found out that world wasn’t going to beat his door down. His way of getting his share is to not only get money but bikes that he had a hand in building,ie: The Black Widow bike. Basically,what he wants to do now is tear apart the company that he helped build and does not care who gets hurt in the process including employees.I believe that Sr is hoping that Jr will wake up and realize what he is doing to the company,but barring that is ready,willing and able to do what he can to keep that from happening. It’s a damn shame,personally Jr needs to remember his roots and what his father has done for him in the past,forget the negative BS that resulted from his Father’s drinking problem and get the hell of his high horse. Jr may be intellegent but he is also incredibley stupid and needs to realize how much they can accomplish together,also how much he does not know about the inner workings of business,marketing,ect. It is pretty evident that he thinks all he needs is a good logo and people will come because he thinks that is why people like OCC. I could go on and on but really shouldn’t. Suffice it to say that in reality this problem pretty much falls on Jr’s shoulders and he needs to grow up and forgive the past from 25 yrs ago.This whole situation really pisses me off but not for me to fix.
This just in: New biker show on cable TV: As The Wheel Turns! Starring Paul Sr & Paul Jr LOL Over and Out!
Jim C; sounds like you might be a friend of Sr. or possibly work for him. I don’t know why you would put all the blame on Jr. when clearly nobody on this blog knows all that has happened between these two. I agree it is a damn shame that this has all happened but from the judges comments it sounds like Jr. have NOT had access to the company records. So how could anyone say he should just accept what ever Sr. says his shares are worth. Looks to me like if they just have the business appraised by an independant appraisal company then this whole thing could and should be resolved. In the end both Jr. and Sr. will regret doing this too each other. Nothing is more important than Family. Blood is or should be thicker than water.
Stop both of you and THINK! Family first, money second.
I don’t think there will be a cage fight between Jr & Sr, Jr would not show up on time. Even if Jr made it to the fight I would bet Jr would find a reason the leave once he realized it involved something like work, he may need to go get that jack-hole hairdo touched up.
Jim C, I think your post is right on and as far as jr and his logo, I think jr must have seen Don Kings logo, another over-inflated ego that thinks he is something special & needed a crown for the swelled head.
It was good to see a judge make a smart ruling, but I highly doubt jr can see past that greedy over-inflated ego, besides it would mean he had to show up & work.
It just goes to show money is thicker than blood. They should be ashamed.
Is anyone else as tired of this crap as I am. I actually liked the show when it started but I am over it now!
By the way, sometimes when it comes to disagreements FAMILY can be the worst!!!!
Part of the many reasons I quit watchin this show. Got to be like “As OCC Turns”. Got to be a joke after awhile, hard to take either seriously when they bicker like old women…
I am no fan of attorneys, but I hope they give their last penny to one.
Bloody boring!
Money is the root of all evil! Its torn this family apart~
You can bet Sr.’s new young bride is in Sr.’s will. This is starting to look like the Earnhart saga. Once the pie got split, problems started. Can’t watch anymore, why did Mickey get fired?
Mikey’s choice,kinda like realizing what you have after it is gone. Another case of showing up when you want to,ect. Mikey does have a problem that he is working on and I hope for his sake gets it worked out.
What bugs me is not knowing what is going on. Too bad that TLC ended the program; now we’ll never really see what’s happening. It would be awful should the company go under but both these talented morons are to blame. Mikey was just on for the ride but while Senior built the company and has kept it going, it was Junior who created the products that people were fascinated with. When that dynamic ended, that ended the TV program. They BOTH killed their meal ticket. Sad.
Unfortunately, they’re both stubborn and rich so we all know where this is leading. To a bankruptcy of OCC. I have no sympathy for any of them. I work for a living and my wages are starting to go down again. These douche bags are worth millions and we’re supposed to feel sorry for them?????
YAWN !!!!!!
Over & Out,
Jeff
sounds like jim c is one of SR’s yes men. the whole problem is that jr and sr had a great thing going so this pack of yes men jump on the money train to try and line their own pockets. a whisper in sr’s ear here and there, telling him that he is “the company” and he doesnt need jr or mikey. and low and behold now that the key people that were their in the start are gone ie – vinnie, rick, mikey and jr and even young cody., the place falls apart. where will those yes men be when sr’s big castle comes crumbling down around his ears due to the financial ruin – the yes men will be on a beach in jamacia or rio soaking up the drinks and sun, whilst sr is left behind with no money, no young wife and no sons.
serves you self right you idiot – dont put money before family. what goes around comes around !
@douchebag @robert m. Both comments pretty well on the money. Snrs ego has know where to go but rattle around in that empty head of his. A rich man -yes – but educated? No, Able to be manipulated, certainly and there are a lot of noses up a lot of arses in OCC.
Paul Jnr had the GREAT ideas. His stuff was groundbreaking. Just go back over the series and see how he used flair and technology to his advantage, Snr – old school – and out of touch with how to deal with anyone who will answer back. Jnr’s Achilles heel is he believes his own image and has an artists temperament which does not dovetail into his fathers regimented idea of what hard work means. For him if you don’t start early, finish late and sweat all day, your a waster. For Jnr his regiment is ” what have I created today “. Oil and water.
Is 60 days enough ? Nope. The lawyers are going to win this one and OCc will be damaged. Its a shame because with the two of them working together the place was an unbeatable powerhouse. Now its just another dealership and my bet is Paul Jnr has been biding his time to get back into what he is known to do best – Promotional bikes. I just hope Nubby does the paint. That guy is sick.
Anyone else noticed that in the begining it used to take two episodes to build a bike, yet with the new series we can get two bikes built in a single episode?????????????
I’m sure I’m bot alone in saying that we used to love see the work involved in building the bike, now we are lucky to see any work – we just get to see the handover..
I think the comment many people on this blog have stated is so correct, it really is As The Wheel Churns nowadays……………………………………………………………………….
I will echo the sentiment that there is no sympathy here.
They BOTH did this.
2 big hard-headed fools.
I wish they knew what it was like to have the mortgage company calling you every day threating foreclosure on a very modest home. (I sure wish my biggest problem was figuring out how to make my life even more cushy.)
These two may share the same last name, however, look at the picture above. Seems more is occuring here than meets the eye. After a few more episodes Sr should act nice then get the girl, paulee, in a full nelson then pee pee in his darling little face.
That would be funny.
Then paulee could start crying and whinin about Sr scared him and made him go poo poo in him pants. Then Mikey could blaze on the scene, step out of a limo, dressed in a tux w/Srs wife and tell Sr and paulee…”Mikey is in charge now. I ve stolen the company and stolen your wife. F-off both of ya”. Then Mikey could unzip his pants and start to pee pee all over Sr and Paulee.
The last scene would be of Mikey and his new girlfriend strikin a match to OCC then flying out to Vegas for to get married!!
YEA BABY!!
Does anyone know if the OCC bikes actually ran? Some nice automotive design talent on Jr., but he never seemed like a true enthusiast and from what I hear from sources close to that crew, he wasn’t. The old man sure is shrewd and again, only hearsay, but he didn’t want to share in the spoils. Jr. liked taking credit for what often was a collective design effort and sometimes not even his concept, and that was okay for TV sake, but why and how viewers took these guys so seriously is beyond any semblance of good sense.
This is yet another example of too much too soon,and when you have a bunch of brain dead bikers involved with substance abuse and no idea how to run a business,the inevitable will happen.
Im a sport bike fan,and anybody that wont wear protective leathers or a full face helmet on the street is brain dead,so it suits them well.Your two minutes of fame is up,Thank god.
I love this show. I admire how this family has made such a life for itself. I admire both Pauls and I am so saddened to see matters reach to this level. Real shame. I hope they wake up and see that they both have more than they will ever need financially, and that they should not be wasting all this time away from each other as father and son. Life is just too short.
So sad how this show went down the tubes.
I used to like watching the show, and I thought it was all show when both Tuetul’s would go at it. But I am tired of it. Both Tuetul’s, to me, are alike in ways, bantering between themselves. Don’t they see how that perception affects the employes around them? and the audience, like me? Senior, doesn’t have any patience with Junior. It’s like Senior is trying to break Junior’s spirit, and Junior never wins.
I won’t be watching until August when both of the have shops.
Unless and until you have experienced what we watched Pauly go through its easy to blame both parties. I experienced this situation 1st hand while working with my father in a construction biz.
When pushed to my absolute limits and exhausting every possible solution I could come up with, I snapped. I know that Pauly is not proud of his eventual reaction to the onslaught, but he stood up to the bullying and I wish him the best on his new show. Also, like Pauly, I watched as my younger brother got away with murder and never a word said.
Go Pauly
You never know how much is real and how much is made for television. One thing I do know is I met Sr in Sturgis several years ago and an arrogant jerk he was. I wouldn’t walk across the street to see him now. The show is nothing without Vinnie and Jr.
Missing “The Flintstones”, I chose to watch the Teutul’s battle it out! Almost the same profile?
It sickened me to watch the vane, testosterone hyped up bullying attitude of Senior trample all over Paul Junior. The man is completely outclassed by his talented son and knows it…. Maybe he should cover up those zany tattoos, get off his backside, actually work and set an example as a leader. The fact that his team have jumped ship to found a new operation is hardly surprising. As for Mikey, I hope he will not become the useless millstone round his brothers neck as witnessed before.
I would urge Paul Jnr. to exercise his talent by expanding in other directions. Perhaps to explore the realms of restoring quality four-wheeled vehicles?
As for the show? Even to Scots across the Atlantic…. very entertaining. It fronted some very talented people that kept Senior in business….
Teutul Senior can you just go away with all the garbage you have accumulated within the past 2 years. Hope to see Jr., Mickey and hopefully Vinnie together again.
God sure has a funny sense of humor! I hope the attorneys check don’t bounce. These clowns arn’t as rich as they think they are. The bikes arn’t made very well and basically all these guys do is decorate cakes. Enjoy the short ride. Don’t blow it all
It doesn’t matter who wins they both have made millions making sh**ty pre-built parts bikes, anyone with enuff money and a little know how can buy a water jet machine and any of the CAD programs (Computer Aided Design) to design bikes and build a bike just as good as either one of those two loud mouths. Who wants to watch those two argue then watch a presentation of a half-a*sed bike to some charity or high dollar company. For god sake if ur company u work for doesn’t have a junk occ chopper in the front office then u may have to worry about ur job. It seems that’s all they care about is making stupid theme bikes. Get the damn hand hammers out and beat the metal with ur hands and actually make the bike instead of picking parts off a shelf or water jetting some dumb design that the goof in the computer room designs between the turns of a page from sum smut mag cause he can’t look at real women cause he’s got JR and SR’s man tubes in his mouth. Take a lesson from the late great Indian Larry, Billy Lane, hell even Jesse James, where have all the real shows about bike building gone. I hope they both ruin their business so they’ll get off the t.v. If I wanted to watch a soap opera I would watch one but I don’t and won’t . Put the “real” bike builders on, but they won’t cause the “real” ones don’t want to look like a**es like these two big headed big mouthed idiots have.
This is a classic example of folks who work for a living (Blue Collar) really don’t have the savy, education, or good sense to know…when they have it made. With a little “good sense” and judgement, Sr. Jr. Mikey, and Vinnie, would all have more than they could ever spend. The problem is everyone involved, thinks they were the most important part of the puzzel. Senior may have been the brains in the beginning, but the chemistry is what made it all work and those Tee Shirts sell like hotcakes. Together they could have ruled the world for a while longer. Divided, they’ll fall, flounder, and lose the most important thing in life. Family Id rather not have any money and “keep my kids”. Monster
All this BS about blood being thicker than water is typically American, where family togetherness and father/son love is very much the ideal. When it all goes pear shaped, thats when we see that there is no difference worldwide. Money and power are talked about as being the reasons for the OCC split, maybe so! Seems like the whole family are a bunch of crackers to me. I think its is too late for recovery, they should count their luck, divide the spoils and get on with it. If there isnt love and respect now, there never will be. Vinny had the best idea, walk!
I went through a similar situation.When the dust settled,it was obvious that the money involved was insignificant.What I am saying is the loss of Sr.’s greatest asset will prove to be Jr.’s opportunity to rise to an even higher plateau.Goooooooo Jr Soon we’ll be watching old reruns of that old guy , the new ones will be all Jr.I can’t wait!!!
You know, as I’ve gotten older, I’ve had a sad ring side seat for a few similar such battles, and I can tell you that no one ever wins. Regardless of the outcome. (Except perhaps a few lawyers, and yes men who are the true leaches. Attention Tuttle’s! Ever think that the show which made you so big would want to tear you down for a simple ratings boost? Food for thought!) I’ve seen too many families destroyed over such stupidity. If I could speak to these self important, egotistical overstuffed primadonna’s, I’d say this:
Paul Sr., if all turns out as you appear to hope, and Paulie looses in court, and ends up loosing everything and moves on, what will you have won? Nothing. You will have lost one of the most precious things in this world, a son. The relationship will be destroyed beyond repair and gone, and you will live out the rest of your days with that thought eating away at you every night you lay your head on your pillow. You should be realizing at this stage of life that all our days are numbered. Yes, you have worked hard for what you have, but what’s it all really worth? People usually realize too late that wasting time fighting over something as stupid as money is the biggest sin of them all. (Especially when in your heart of hearts, you know that Paulie was a big part of the success of your business.) A legacy is not money my friend, its family.
Paul Jr, indeed you’re a talented builder, and bike designer, but your self interested temper tantrums are likely to be your undoing. Its understandable that your fathers constant sniping at you was too much. It would be for anyone. That said, wouldn’t it have been better for you & Sr. to agree that you would open a second wing of O.C.C. that you could control on your own? For the interest of your family, and the company, wouldn’t have been better to have everything remain under one name? The competition between you could have been great! Your new logo is almost self explanatory of why you & your father butt heads so much. A crown? Whats that? You both can’t be king hey? Come on man! It doesn’t have the flare or appeal of the O.C.C. logo, which is about the BIKES! You appear to be more about yourself! The fight over taking money from O.C.C., and your old man is hurtful to your father, and YOURSELF! You are destoying some of what you both built. Patch things up between you & your dad. After he’s gone, you will have a lot of years to kick yourself in the backside if you don’t. You carry his name. It matters. If the good man above blesses you with a child, you will understand. (Don’t deny the rest of your family unity over a battle of egos my friend. Be the bigger person.)
The best possible thing that could happen to Jr. is for one of his most valuable employees to show up late on a daily basis, take extended lunches, gab on the cell phone during the times he is supposed to be building a bike, you know, act like he did when he worked for his dad. I backed Paulie for the longest time because of his creative talents and his ability to design killer bikes, but anyone who has ever owned a business knows that the owner puts in twice the hours of anyone else on the payroll. And before anyone jumps up and down pointing fingers at Sr. over how little he actually works, remember that the first 20 years he was in business wasn’t filmed by tv cameras. Unless Jr’s work ethic has changed, unfortunately his new endeavor is doomed to fail. Sr. may be childish and petulant in the way he bashes his son on tv, but just because the message is crude and whiney doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
Paulie claimed his lack of interest in the success of OCC was because he didn’t feel like he had enough of a financial interest in the company. Fair enough. Senior, against his better judgement, ‘gifted’, yes, GAVE twenty percent of the company to Jr in an effort to get him more involved. This lasted all of about 3 weeks until he fell right back into his old habits. I’d be pissed too. Now, I’m no lawyer, but I would have to agree with the earlier post which pointed out that a judge would have to question the ethical conflict of owning shares in a company that you are in direct competition with.
Are they both at fault? Absolutely. Can it be fixed? Doubtful. Does Jr. need a huge sum for his share of OCC to keep his new business afloat? We’ll find out soon enough.
The moral of this whole situation? Don’t ever, ever, ever have a family member as an employee if they can’t act like an employee. Or for that matter, if you can’t treat them as fairly as you treat any other employee.
I have two sons of my own and now matter how bad we’ve gotten along I would never turn my back on them. It seems that Sr. needs to learn how to be a FATHER before he can be a MAN. Any man can make kids but it takes a father to love and support them. First it was his son that bought the Iron business, now it’s Jr. This is my opinion and mine alone.
The first of the original shows had many clues about what was to eventually happen. The camera pans around to the clock, Paulie walks in, Senior’s facial expression seeing all this. Paulie driving up in whatever hot rod he’s driving, Vinny in an old Chevy POS. In my opinion, except for Vinny, they didn’t have much respect for each other to begin with. Money was the motivation from day one. J James using an English wheel and putting real work into building a bike from the ground up relative to OCC just using a MIG gun and a box-cutter to build an OCC bike. They just don’t have a real passion for what they build. Senior would make less money building the old school choppers IMO but he’d be happier and realize why he started this to begin with. If Paulie cant be on time to the job that he had with his father, what does the real world have waiting for him??
Arm-wrestle for it… but Jr. gets to use 2 hands, since Sr. appears (stress, appears) to be on the juice. I’m not making any allegations though. I don’t want to get sued.
I wonder how much is real, & how much is drama for the camera?
I thunk we are all suckers!!!!!! This web Site its self… Makes a Lot of people $$$$$…. There is no why in hell in this economy can get that rich off just bikes… Look at the numbers…from the show…. The money
comes from the TV Show.. These Guys are movie stars…..They are in a fight for the lime light all the time…… And the old man don’t want too step aside because it all started with him…and it was his ass on the line in the beginning….Mikey is the only one with a handle on things… and thats bad…..LOL I hate too brake things down but we all need a HERO ! here.
Well in todays world its a dog eat dog world………..personally the out come of a great thing with family is never what it is perseved to be. There will always be trials and tribulations but this has gotten out of hand, you are father and son made from the same tree will you let money and greed separate what ya’ll have. If you chose to go your separate ways than so be it do it on a good note and let the best man win.
good luck to you both and keep making them great bike that I personally cant afford but can dream about…………lol and make that money
We have watched OCC almost from day one. If I had been Paul Jr, I would have left a long time ago. There is no reason for people, family or not, to have to put up with all the mess and hateful language going onon that show. It’s not even a show and Paul Sr. has no right to try to undermind everything Jr is trying to do now. Let him open his shop and go about his business….Jr should get all he is entiltled to because it was he and the rest of the team, with exception of Sr, that made OCC. Sr should not even be on the air….let him and his YOUNG bride go on with their life. It must be real satisfying to him to know NONE of children want to have anything to do with him. I hope Jr. really makes it big……………
Truthfully I think both of them are in the wrong. One Sr needs to recognize that Jr helped him to build the business into what it is today. They are both acting like children, Sr is blaming Jr and vice versa. Sr won’t recognize what his children have contributed to OCC, truthfully-what made it was the bikes. And truthfully, Sr needs to own up to the fact that he doesn’t know his kids as well as he thinks he does, and he screwed up during their childhood. Most people who have been drug users and alcoholics seem to believe that “I’m sorry,” will suffice. It won’t-trust me. I grew up with a drug user as one parent, and an alcoholic as the other. As a result I don’t really know either of my parents.\
Bottom line: they both need to shut up, and be happy they have each other. Quit fighting over money.
Paul sr. Is so messed up.how can anyone father defind his actions.he needs to get off steroids. Talk about roid rage.jr. is 75% of the success of that company with his creativity. Sr. Does nothing. What kind of a father pushes his kids away from him for pride, money and the sake of being in control.life is way to short to push away the people you love for petty reasons.this years worst dad goes to sr.
I’d say Hotrod is pretty close to being on target with this whole thing. They both need to focus on the business. All custom bike shops are hurting and the thing is now to just survive this economy until it hopefully turns around. Good luck to them both. One last thing-Jr needs to grow up a little and take his ego down a few notches. I think he is now finding out that the world is not going to beat a path to his door. It is too bad that he hired someone like Joe to run his merchandise side.Joe does not have a clue what should and shouldn’t be done. and at this point the merchandise side of the business is what is bringing in cash flow not bikes. He needs to boot Joe out the door and hire someone who actually knows what should and shouldn’t be done.
The best thing Sr did was to let Jr go his own way and use tough love. Jr needed to grow up and that was not going to happen under his father’s wing. I need to do that with my own son.There is a lot of BS flying around about Sr but the truth is,most of the fault lies with both of his sons. They were taking advantage of thier dad to the point that it was taking the company down. Hard decision to make but I give him credit for doing so. Now the thing is to just survive. Maybe next year the economy will turn around and people will start buying custom bikes again. ;).
i think paul jr. should get what he is entitled to. if he has a valid contract, signed , and witnessed then he should get what sr. agreed to. i saw the show where sr. refussed to go to paul jr.s unviel. not cool for family. just get all your money togather and through it all in the air and let the lawyers fight over it. that’s what it will come down to. just get some parts from a swap meet and go to your basement with a welder and a hammer and do like the biker build off and roll it out in 10 days and let the people decide.
Im sure he will get everything that belongs to him (occ part 3 ) this is soo stupid and scripted
its pathetic if the bikes werent cool no one would even watch this trash. yup the fued will stop as soon as a television network exsecutive says its over i mean please they argued since the series started now all of a sudden its too much haha really..watch the series will get better when the network says to kiss and make up .
This is a classic example of a controlling father that has alienated all 3 of his sons. He has admitted he doesnt speak to any of them. The middle son took over the fathers steel business and is still successful. The father could not design himself out of a paper bag. Without his son he will need to utilize his employees to keep OCC afloat. He did not even go to his son’s wedding although he was invited. The old man is a low life controlling SOB
Paul Sr.come on your family Paul Jr. your son is blood,you now have nothing but a bunch of kiss asses that Jason couldn’t have a browner nose if he painted it,then you sit there and bitch about family to those jerks that only use you to get on TV.People argue all the time in business to make sure the work comes out perfect and all is forgotten,you have yes men now like Jason yes Paul Sr.yes Sir,it makes me sick.
Paul Sr. looks like shit now you can see it’s taking it’s toll on him if he wants to admit it or not,Paul Jr.is the artist,but Paul Sr.sticks with those ass kissers yes Sir no Sir,Paul Jr’s only fault is he stuck up for himself like a man.
SR LOOKS HORRIBLE AND DOESN’T HAVE THE STAGE SKILLS THAT JR HAS. THE EXISTING STAFF AT OCC, EXCEPT FOR RICK, SUCK AND ARE A BORE TO WATCH. JR WITH VINNY CAN PULL THROUGH AND BE SUCCESSFUL WITH A GOOD WORK ETHIC AND A GOOD SALESMAN. WHO KNOWS PAUL DESIGNS COULD EVEN BE A SUB FOR OCC ONE DAY AFTER A FAMILY RE-REUNION. I APPLAUD JR FOR DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND BUT I WISH THEM BOTH THE BEST OF LUCK.
any father who sues his own flesh is a loser.your suppose to build a business to leave to your sons you money hungry putz..Sr just refuses to admit his time has passed and doesnt want to pass on the torch.my goal in life is to pass on a succesful business to my sons so they could carry on the family name ,and the work. Jr puts out the fat rides.dad puts out what everyone else builds. we saw the builds.
SR.WOULD IT ACTUALLY KILL YOU TO SAY THAT YOUR SONS BETTER THAN YOU,IT PROBABLY WOULD,IF IM LUCKY BEFORE I DIE ILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT MY SONS ARE BETTER THAN ME ,THAT WOULD MEAN IVE DONE A GOOD JOB AS A DAD.THATS WHY SOME PEOPLE SHOULD PRACTICE ABSTAINACE,OR AT LEAST USE A CONDOM.——->Sr.<——–.
all men can make babies very few can be a good dad…………
Sr. is a moron and a total ass of a father! He should be ashamed and I cant wait to watch him drive his company into the ground. I bet Rick will be with Jr. by New Years.
My father was a violent alcoholic when I was growing up as a kid, then we got along for twenty years and things have soured again, when I watched the show tonight and saw those kids doing their finger paint hand prints and that a.s..s hole raised his hand as a joke to the little boy it brought it all back,
I think Paulie should let his Dad go and move to Hawaii with his earnings from the show….
I also think this is a scam against all of us innocent’s to make money for that oversized piece of s…hit Paul Sr. looks like he has prostate cancer…
THEY ARE USING US, and he is an abusive P…R….ICK
HE AIN’T BEEN TO A MEETING IN 30 YEARS… WHAT A JERK, CHILD ABUSER, LOOK at Michael, torn up dooosh bag
senior is a multi-millionare, so his jr. this is a scam
People don’t seem to realize that Paul Sr started this company In his garage and worked his ass off to make it what it is today Every father wants his son to do better than he has.Paul Jr always did what he wanted to do not what the owner of the company wanted Any Business would have fired him long time ago When you show no respect and come in anytime you want “after noon in most cases” take time off without clearing it with management. Paul Jr always had a chip on his shoulder thinking that he was th reason the company is doing good.I don’t believe in family suing family Paul Jr needs to realize he was just one piece of the pie that made OCC what it was And apologize to his father. No father wants to sue his son BUT they do want the respect they deserve.
Thank you Ken Baillargeon
i watch every episode from season 1 and i have to say both parties has the flaws no one is right or wrong i could say things about both jr and sr but also i believe mikey made the company also a sucess he may not be a builder or help out much but i promise you this he made the show fun all three of them made occ who they are with the help of the show so they should man up and make it right cause honestly with out them together the show really sucks
First for the record I think the whole show is a fabrcation just like the bikes. The bikes are in no shape way or form street leagel. No mufflers,emission controls, or turn signals for that matter.
The welds are questionable at the very least also. I find the production bikes semi legall also .
They may have turn signals but again safety , emissions, and noise become issues.
Next it seems that Jr. is in one of the old OCC starting buildings……… how convienent! Sr may be his landlord! All for a buck and to continue the increasingly boring shows of circus bikes. Most barely rideable at best and as far as safety goes (again) scarey at best.
A&E/Discovery have made the Teutel family weathy beyond their wildest dreams and after the film crews stop rolling and all is said and done it will be interesting to see if they are able to make a go of their establishments. I look at the other players as just witnesses to the train wreck………..
Vinnie, Rick, MIke,Corey, etc……….all the best to ya and hope you are survivors when it is all over.
The only one that may survive un-scathed through all of the bull thrown out by this is that wonderful,gotta love him for what he is……….. Mikey!! 8>))
Well, I think That this is not Sr.’s fault, or Jr’s fault. The blame rests souly on they shoulders of BOTH of them. Their own actions toward each other have brought them to this impass, and they both need to figure out what to do from here.
I didn’t miss an episode for a long time, but started to baulk when the show became more about the fighting between the two Pauls. There is enough misery in the world without turning a good motorbike design/construct show into a sobstory between two grown men. It’s a bit sad that program people tended to push the “dynamics” between the two Pauls. I tend to side with Paul Jnr on that issue because he refused to speak badly about his dad for a long time, but regardless of why it happened, it has now turned nasty and become a copy of “Days of our Lives”. The old man is a nasty piece of work, and could not leave Paul alone for a minute. Why should Paul have put forward his best when he was abused in front of the boys at all times of the day.Maybe it was his way of showing that he didn’t care, by not caring, which unfortunately has brought the company to its knees. I was dissapointed to see the article where Paul Jnr said he wants to destroy his father. But its seems to be too far gone now to stop. Could Paul Juniours bike shop ever be just a construction shop now, without high drama. He has Vinnie there which is a big +, one of the real backbones of the original business. I understand his misery too, Paul Senior wasn’t going to give anybody recognition if he wansn’t in the right mood. Would be a real shame if Mikey ever had to get a real job too, he has survived too long as the company clown, there is nothing sadder than an old worn out clown, and though all the world loves a clown, if there is no show for him, what does he do, wash the floors till a new one opens. Watch out Paul Jnr.
Yes, a show which once gave me much joy, is now very sad indeed. And it is a matter of concern to me that it seems to be the formula for most Automotive shows built in the US of A. Its really sad, the only one that doesn’t get too much into it is Biker Build Off although they do get the occassional KnicKers in a Knot, as though they feel maybe they should kick something or yell, just to make sure everybody knows how angry they are. ?????
Oh for heavens sake, neither one of these morons have contributed a damn thing to the evolution of the motorcycle. Any bonehead can put together a bunch of parts and build a bike. What tiny contribution JR has made to his custom build bikes were at the expense of one of the other people in the shop who does have a clue to to fabricate. I have always wondered why this show is on the air to begin with because is has very little to do with motorcycles. It should be called the dysfunctionals or watch the idiots fight. I think it would be better suited as a show about how not to raise your children or this is how a drunken idiot behaves. I will say one thing, this show is a perfect example on how there are times when morons get lucky. If it wasn’t for this show no one would have ever heard of these people and their bike shop would have tanked long ago.
@borishoris -huge insight into this thing; i agree with whatyoue said, not that any of this will matter after the split, other than Sr. counting his money and blaming everything on Jr., as usual!
considering it was the black widow bike ( designed by Jr.) that got the company worldwide notariety he should not get screwed!!!
Nice to see that the judge has some common sense and is not going to let the bottom
feeders (attorneys) run rampid and drain Sr. & Jr. out of whatever money they have left… As far as the feud goes I think that there should be an independant appraiser to look over OCC’s books and give Jr. his fair share (20%)… He did help build the OCC empire and deserves his share… As far as Sr. goes he can be a total ass at times and forgets just who was actually designing and building the bikes… I’d like to have a bike from Jr. Designs but since Jr. has left OCC, I wouldn’t waste my money…
Here’s the irony: What made OCC successful was the American Chopper so-called “reality” television show, and what made the show successful was the dysfunctional relationship. A freshman psych student at Upstate New York City College could see that. Isn’t it fitting that the conflict between the two — each desperately seeking acknowledgment from the other — should destroy the company and the family?
It’s all the same whatever! As soon as money and power take president the original formula of success becomes in danger and lost. If this saga is a stunt in anyway, shame on them all… If not it’s a shame it had to end up in tears. With Vinni, Jr and Sr all gone in seperate ways the narrowing due to ecconomic pressures cannot substain them all. Maybe that’s why Vinni is working with jr again. The other problem is that they are not diverse enough and although they are about Choppers they should consider options, but I think they proud to abmit another view is good enough for consideration… “NO MAN IS AN ISLAND”. I have 2 designs done that would make an interesting slant, but they wouldn’t talk to me even if I stood next to them… Why not? Because they can’t even speak to each other! I’ll send it to them anyway… Guys take your head out your butts and regain the reality factor, if you act now you might just save it!!! MIGHT!
Recently saw the documentary about how the show evolved from its inception, Discovery channel originally had slated the show to just be a bike build show and the Teutuls weren’t even the first choice, and at the last moment they chose them. After initial 1st or 2nd episode’s the producers saw the drama between Sr & Jr and they focused more on that than the bike build sadly. I watched for the first couple of years with Vinnie, Cody and the original guys but quit watching when they left and it became a total soap opera. They did do some nice bikes for good causes but I personally wouldn’t buy one of there bikes. Glad there off the air, but I heard there’s a new show about the two of them opposite each other.
I’ll pass…
I have just watched the latest episode just released Thursday here in OZ on the Foxtel network.
Now I have watched this series from the first episode mainly because I am a bike fan and I enjoyed watching the design and build process. The sagas behind the bikes was mere additional comedy.
Now the episode I saw Thursday where Sr made a dummy on a bike with the likeness of Paul Jr leap of a ramp. Whilst watching it I thought Sr now is a ring leader in a circus of clowns. What has that got to do with moral, what I really thought was that is what he would really like to do to his son.
Don’t get me wrong Paul Jr is a bit of a waster with his half arsed attitude to time, work and committments which does him no favours whatsoever! I think Senior has a lot to answer for where all he used to do was rock back in that chair with his DM boots on the table chugling on a smoothie or coffee and the only time he used to come onto the shop floor was to yell and scream at people saying ” I’ll punch yo right in the face!” What a big fat useless ‘Mooron’!!
I would like to know what they did to Nubbie to make him fear painting for either of them again, maybe someone out there in digi land has the answer?
Another niggle is that TWAT Jason, he was quick to suck up to Sr as his surrogate son!!! As he said ‘I puked in my mouth!’ He should shut the F***K up as he is a feeble excuse and as useful as a dildoe with flat batteries!!
To be honest I don’t even know why I am bothering to pass coment on these two bafoons as they don’t really have any effect on whether the sun will continue to rise tomorrow or anything of any importance.
If it is scripted for the show, then we are all suckers! If it isn’t who gives a S***T.
In closing all I can say is Jr should strike out on his own totally away from his father and Sr for God’s sake retire and let the others take over as they do everything for him anyway.!!
I’ve been watching this for the last month and must say that I think Sr. is an absolute jerk. I have to wonder if his temper and issues aren’t roid rage. He looks horrible. If OCC is worth zero, I’ll happily purchase 100% of the company!
If I was the judge, I would make it easy for them, I’d order the parties to settle the lawsuit by a date specific, failing that, order the company auctioned to the highest bidder with the proceeds being split 80% to Sr. and 20% to Jr. If the business did not sell at auction I would order the company into receivership, sell of the assets, settle the liabilities and deliver 80/20 split to Sr/Jr the profits or debts as they case may be.
Since the Company is probably worthless on paper, Paul Sr, could and then should find a straw man to buy the company at auction, pay Jr. 20% of the purchase price (probably not far off from the $0 Jr, was already offered).
But Jr probably could play the same game, buy the company and liquidate it.
Discover Channel needs to start a new reality program, called “How to make rich lawyers richer while destroying your family”
I can’t believe what I am seeing and reading!!! Sr. built that company and made it successful and by the sounds of it you guys think not showing up for work that jr. is entitled to wealth. As i remember in order to get a pay check you work and show up when your shift starts not when you decide to roll your spoiled,irresponsible,inconsiderate behind out of bed. Sr. made that company before jr and mike were born. My family revolves on working and pulling together to make things work. Jr is hateful and just wants a hand out of his dearest daddy’s money thats it!!!!! Mike is taking jr side when he himself has dealt with rehab. For the love of GOD don’t make it Sr.’s the only problem. MIKE and PAUL JR need to make more of an effort to want a relationship with thier father not him showing up to the diner waiting on mike to show up and get left hanging for over 30 minutes. no one deserves the bs these spoiled,hatred,self-centered,irresponsible,and inconsiderate boys do to their father whom has tried to do the best he can for his family.AND YES PAUL SR. I FEEL FOR YOU SIR. Mike needs to stand up and be a man for himself not I got to tell jr this and do this.Jr is not a man if he can sit their and have everyone turned against you because you don’t agree with cry baby jr.. The disagreement is and should be limited between you and jr. and not everyone else. Jr. only cares about jr and what jr wants. I have worked and lived on my own since I was 16 years old and my husband has worked since he was 15 with his father. These boys need to grow up and learn what real life is. shit don’t get handed to you like jr thinks it should. You work or you get nothing.IT’s as simple as that. Sr. is a good man in my book
Paul Sr. is a d*&che bag. Hope Paul Jr. gets what is owned to him. I am a father and I would never ever treat my children they Sr. is treating his. I don’t care what kids do they are still your blood. Not going to Jr. wedding was totally pathetic.
Sr. has short man syndrome. SMS folks are difficult to deal with!!!!
It is show biz folks; ratings sell and boring gets paid squat and canceled.
That is where the show was headed and they figured out a way to shake it up a bit.
I don’t think senior wants his kids to fail; the lawsuit will be settled and in fact likely has been settled- only being dragged out to help the show.
The show is more successful now than it has ever been.
Now the best played plans have some truth to them; but
I think that it is more game than reality. After all; all reality shows ARE STAGED.
A message to Paul Teutul Senior and Paul Teutul Junior: business is business -, BUT FAMILY IS FIRST! So rather than a temper tantrum work out the business issues!!! Both of you will feel badly if a tragedy intervened. I certainly disagreed with my dad many times in 45 years BUT to the end we loved each other, Now, I would give anything to still have him around. That’s family and it beats MONEY any day.
Both “Sr.” and “Jr.” are highly dysfunctional, obviously. As stated above–though it’s very SAD!!–dysfunction makes ratings which sells advertising.
Neither “Sr.” nor “Jr.” could go up against the likes of any of the contestants on “Biker Buildoff”. They know that. The Discover/Learning Channel knows that. That’s why we never saw it. What we saw was a carefully crafted exhibition of familial, inappropriate, behavior. TDC/TLC often edited out (sometimes after they’d already shown them) parts of episodes that exposed Paulie’s inability to weld, i.e. an early rendition of the Spiderman Bike episode showed a welder–hired specifically to do the welding after Paulie tacked everything up, working away in the shop as everyone else left. Another episode showed the “Fire Bike” being repaired after Paulie’s weld(s) broke.
There’s somewhere between, roughly speaking, a thousand and a million teenaged boys, accustomed to model-bashing, who could design bikes of similar quality to Paulie’s designs, given the resources Paul, Sr., gave Paul, Jr. Paulie’s (Pauline’s) inability to show Sr. some gratitude just shows his, Paulie’s, immaturity.
While Sr. may have once been hard-working, the legal shennanigans over the creation of the second Orange County Iron Works, diminishes the respect both he and Paulie might otherwise have garnered. His inability to more appropriately motivate Paulie to come in on time, quit wasting time, etc.show his inability to act similarly in non-work-related areas of his own life.
The bottom line is neither of them could have gotten to where they are without the other. Neither is very healthy emotionally. Paulie’s biggest resentments at Sr. are simply based on the fact that he imitates and emulates a lot of Sr.’s behavior, putting others down, being verbally abusive, throwing tantrums, being irresponsible–breaking down doors, tearing up vehicles, etc.–while expecting the other to be responsible.
It’s sad that neither one of them seem to have realized–and sad that many of the sheeple out there help perpetuate the problem–that many of us have nevered watched them for any length of time based on their abilities to build motorcycles. (Parenthetically, many corporate purchasers of OCC bikes understand–through the scowls they showed at the poor quality of the custom merchandise they purchased–that they got a huge bargain in TV advertising: their corporate names were mentioned many more times during a single “hour-long” OCC episode than they would have been had they purchased all the advertising time during the breaks.) We watched them because we could laugh at them, feel superior to them, etc.
Hopefully, at the end–whether at the end of the alleged “final season” or later–of this comedy, neither one of them will have “lost everything”, though, that’s doubtful. Whether they know it or not, both Sr. and Jr. have lost a lot of their self-respect at the same time they lost respect for each other.
THAT’S SAD! 🙁
The Tuetuls are constantly seeking out humanitarian causes and like to say, “it’s all about the [soldiers/fireman/orphans/homeless/etc]” professing humility and a sense of giving. Yet, neither Paul Junior or Paul Senior can extend that same sentiment to each other. You almost think that the causes they support are really about the portrayal of a generous, thoughtful image rather than anything real. Hypocrites. Really messed up.
Truth is, very few of these bikes would be special without Nub’s paint jobs (and Justin’s before that).
Anyone that takes either side is really deluding themselves. If you think the show is about the bikes you are also deluding yourselves. They are only a vehicle to see a dysfunctional family that has been successful in-spite of themselves.
The real underlying cause here is egos. The popularity of the show elevated all the egos involved and finally there wasn’t room for two. All the family members are also dysfunctional.
Prior to the breakup I had more respect for Senior and saw Junior as a talented but unfocused brat. A person that had no self direction. I still see that but he seems willing to share the limelight and develop others around him. He doesn’t have to be the one to introduce the bikes. I also have to recognize that saying he is still unfocused isn’t really fair. He has two employees and not enough work to keep them busy. So is he supposed to be in the shop building bikes with them when he can’t keep them busy?
Senior keeps going deeper into dark places. He drives in front of his son’s shop to taunt him. He has an effigy of him ridden off a ramp in back. He ridicules him for not working or for late on a delivery when he has no idea what was going on. He didn’t go to his son’s wedding. (He said it was for his son’s benefit but I don’t buy that. He was rationalizing his own desires.) He keeps talking about others manning up but he never does it himself. Right now he has so much hatred and vitriol in him he doesn’t really seem to be balanced. Not that he really ever has been.
The idea that OCC isn’t worth anything, while expanding, doesn’t pass what I call the laugh test. That while in a recession. Again that is nothing other than a vehicle for showing who is in control.
Obviously were not seeing everything. Some have said only the Teutul’s know what has happened. I doubt they even know. I suspect they have filtered the others sides and only realize their own.
Still I expect them to get together as a family again. It will take a major issue to cause it though. One large enough to make all concerned realize how trivial their argument was. It may simply be that they all realize that their sum them was greater than their parts. Maybe its Junior’s business fails and OCC goes bankrupt. Then they can see each other on a level playing field. Still Junior going on his own was long overdue for everyone concerned.
Paul Sr. is really looking gaunt in the last episodes. He looks to me to have some kind of potentially serious health problem. Either that. or all his nastiness and hot tempered outbursts have backed and like impacted fecal matter can’t be expelled.
judge is right, settle or work out differances, you both have lots of talent building, could try a franchise & split your profits base on production & quality, blood is thicker than water…
I am so surprised how opinionated people are about the lack of talent and how both Jr. And Sr. Are selfish and immature. I would just like to say that many people have troubles with their families,no situation is the same and everyone has a right to their own feelings of love,anger, disappointment and need for resolution. American Chopper has given all of us the chance to look in from the outside to either understand how fortunate you are to have a decent relationship with your family or to understand your are not the only one if you don’t have a good one. I am disappointed that some of you are not getting that and are so judgmental. Think of how you would look if you had cameras on you.
As for the quality of their bikes, they are good or they would not be successful while I do agree there are probably better builders out there, as like any craft, you can’t always be the best, but you can always do your best.
All of us has said or done things we wish we hadn’t , that’s human nature it’s what you do to change it once it’s been brought to light who makes you who you are. That is what makes this show successful, it’s bigger than who can build the best bike.
Agree with Schizy – Sr. suddenly look much older and weaker. Hate kills from inside…
Maybe it’s just me….but I think all this is for us. What I mean by that is this new series is just a chopper show based “16 and Pregnant”. All the drama, legal stuff, and sharing your family drama with literally the ENTIRE world makes no sense This is “The Emperor’s New Clothes” redux. All we see is what they show us.
I believe the bike selling business, especially choppers has dropped since the recession has taken hold. It was easy a few years ago to sell production motorcycles, maybe even a chopper. Now there’re bikes shops all over…even one down the street from me in San Antonio. Simple economics>>> lower demand equals lower prices. increased supply (bike builders, Ebay) lowers price too.
The merchandising part of the business is where they made their money. That’s easy to see since they were always wearing OCC branded clothes. They need to stay on the air and in peoples mind to stay popular. A crappy T-shirt made in China with a silk-screen of an OCC design cost 0.40- 0.60 cents a pop and the sell them for $20-$30 to their fan base…WORLDWIDE!
….for that much chedder I’d start some drama with my parents too. We haven’t even monitized the speaking engagements, bike shows, bars, etc that pay them to host or just hang out. Movie stars do the same thing. They try to squeeze EVERY dollar possible out of their brand.
Even Mikey said they got kinda funky once the money eased up. They needed to create this drama so the new series would be credible. I know it pulls on the heart strings with us fans because I’m sure many of us had issues with our parents, so we relate to this stuff.
Enjoy the show for what it is….[A SHOW]!!!!
OK..I agree with others here..this is all for the money..the fighting, two companies..its all a scam to keep us watching and keep making them CASH !!
I knew when they first got the cnc machine it was over. I miss the days when they just built bikes.
Thanks Boss Hawg,
GOD Bless Indian Larry!!!
If you knew him you knew it was real. We are watching a soap opera now.
I am 70 and started in 1959 working at Dick & Foster’s Paint in Compton.
We we built the wildest bike back then for ROTH !!! I miss the old guys.
I spent a lot of time with them and also a lot of really good younger guys
are doing a great job of keeping it real.
WE MISS YOU INDIAN LARRY. On your last build of the winner of
the biker build off ( THE WINNER) Larry said that he wanted to show
the mechanic’s of the bikes I full view. Thanks Larry, God Bless.
In my honest opinion this is all a publicity stunt to boost the ratings. Everything they do is for higher ratings for the discovery channel and more money for the Teutels. I quit watching it most of the time. I will tune in to see the bikes and that is it.
My observations of what I have watched are why is it, if this is not a stunt, that Sr treats everybody better than he does his own flesh and blood. I understand what Paul Jr is going through because when my father passed my brothers accused me of hiding his assets. I just turned it all over to the executor and a lawyer and I have not spoken to them since or will I ever, they are all dead to me‼‼ So Paul Jr if this is not a stunt I feel for you and stick to your guns your father is an arse.
You guys are idiots. Paul Jr had a contract stating when he would would come to work, when he would leave. He violated that contract. Screw him!!!
I’m a father of two grown girls and four grand kids and cannot comprehend trying to sabotage my kids lives no matter what the circumstances were. Paul Sr. is an immature moron who talks to much and I hope he loses it all. Suing his own son twice as well as the grief he’s caused both of them by making a big deal about choosing to attend his employees wedding in his new emperors clothes while ignoring theirs is disgusting at the least. Paul Sr. has a great crew with all the experience it takes to build awesome bikes but Paul Jr. was a big part of that growth and recognition and being fired by his dad will perhaps give him the maturity he needs to stand on his own two feet. He has a good eye for designing bikes and I hope for one that he makes it but I’m sure we’ll never see that dream come to fruition on this show. Good luck Paul jr. and as for Paul sr. SHUT UP and GROW UP!
As a father, and I say this respectfully, I feel Paul, Sr. is not being fair or appropriate. I have watched the show from the beginning and Senior has always been hard on Junior. Junior, is clearly a different person altogether from his Dad and when he gets angry, he has shown that he can apologize, but more importantly, he will also acknowledge that he is only human. Junior seems to have compassion and sympathy. Senior does not seem to have these qualities. Well, Senior will apparently shed tears for his dog’s concerns, and show compassion to his current staff members. However, when it comes to his sons, he seems to hit a brick wall. During the times I have watched the show, Senior never seemed to have anything nice to say to junior. He was always calling him names, making negative comments about his bike-building abilities and more recently taking every opportunity possible to take shots at Junior’s new business. Words like: “numb-nuts” and “idiot” seemed to be common place. I could only imagine how difficult it must have been to be raised in an environment that had no positive reinforcement. In the end, Junior might lose the lawsuit, but Senior will be the actual loser. He will have regained his business, but he will have lost his sons forever. I just think that it’s sad and unnecessary road. I do think that Senior is hurt, but the problem is that Senior doesn’t know how to convey his feelings appropriately. I also believe that Senior clearly understands what he lost in Junior’s departure and he is also angry over the loss of a gifted builder. As much as he complained, it didn’t take away the fact that Junior is one of the most premier bike builders around! There is only one fix to this problem. Senior needs to acknowledge what is most important. As a father, I am working my whole life in order to leave my children as much as I can. I could never see myself in court, or worse, hurting one of my children in any way. Senior really needs to see that he is not looking good here! I truly hope that Senior will eventually see what’s truly important and drop his suit and give his son what is appropriate -and I am not talking about a percentage increase! I do sympathize with all of them and I don’t want this to appear as a “Senior-bashing” session. I am just pointing out what is obvious because it doesn’t see to be as obvious as some could see.
Both Sr and Jr take credit for making OCC and now PJD popuplar. They are both wrong, it was the Disfunctional (Discovery) Channel that made them and their half a** of a bike shops known. The only reason OCC and PJD became known is because of the weekly, hour long infomercial they have one the Disfunctional Channel. Most people who don’t live in that part of the country never heard of these idiots until they were on tv. And now, many people buy OCC and PJD shirts and hats, not the sh*tty bikes they order and put together. Real custom bike shops make and paint everything. OCC and PJD orders the frames, tanks, wheels, engine, trans and forks. They send out parts to get coated, plated or painted and the seats are made by an outside vendor. The only things they do is change one or two things and assemble the bikes. By their bike building method, I could get an angry monkey that escaped from the circus to build bikes, have it aired on tv. Sr, Jr, Mike and both shops suck and I hope both shops fail.
As far as the Disfunctional Channel goes, they need to stop with all the car and bike building shows because those shows don’t show what it takes to make a real, custom made and painted cars, trucks or bikes. And by last check all of their programs that were about making custom cars, trucks and bikes have failed. The Disfunctonal Channel also needs to stay away from programs that involve the family (John and Kate, American Chopper) because the families will fall apart just like the show they are featured on.
STOP with all the crap. A FATHER is trying to DESTROY his own SON!!!
What planet does THAT come from?????
GOOD LUCK, Paul Senior, you egotistcal insane IDIOT!
The show of the future on Discovery will be about Paul JUNIOR, a guy who builds bikes with QUALITY in mind, not a quick “schlep together” like YOU do! You’re going DOWN old man, as you SHOULD, for dissing your OWN SON!
You disgust us viewers. You are a disgusting dad – you care MORE about your dog! REALLY?
relax all you haters….paul jr rules
if you look at the last episode…paul sr looks bored,uninterested and somebody who looks like hes on his death bed….i think he knows the end is near
paul jr should sell his 20% of occ to paul sr at his cost and then move on. if the co. goes bankrupt let paul sr deal with it. paul jr is doing great with his co.
Last episode this coming Monday –Feb. 7th .. I wonder if that will be it for good ! –or will the Dysfunctional Channel some how continue this slow motion train wreck. You can read 50 posts or 5000 posts and it will all come out the same. Inconclusive ! Both Sr. and Jr. are wrong in many ways, both right in some ways. With one worth about 28 million and the other about 15 million, who are the real clowns here ? Us I believe.
But what the hell, we do enjoy our entertainment, and it was never a law that we had to watch it.
When the money is gone all you have is family, this worls is screwd up enough without having family fighting family.
A lesson I learned in my Divorce… Lawyers don’t make any money unless they make the case as complicated as they possibly can!
If I could get Sr. and Jr. Alone….
Senior: Get a freaking grip! This is YOUR SON Dumbarse! Yes, he didn’t suffer as much as you, work as hard as you, or “make” OCC, But he DID make a HUGE contribution Moron! He is and always will be your son! IF he can’t make it to work at 7AM, CHANGE THE SHOP HOURS! Problem solved! You were never there at 10-11PM when he was working late! give the Kid a break! You really have a warped sense of Fatherhood! You should have been PROUD for your son to be a part of your business! Stop trying to destroy him! I could never treat my two sons they way you treat yours, EVER! Look in the Mirror! Watch the re-runs and ask yourself WTF?! Do you like what you see?
Junior: Give your Father Respect! He did make it a lot easier for you to have a fantastic opportunity. Showing up to work on time would not have killed you. Yes, I know you worked later and he didn’t respect you for that, but for Pete’s sake… You know your Father, when he starts spouting off, instead of arguing with him, say something like “You’re right Dad” I will try to do better. AND THEN STOP TALKING! I am all behind you in PJD. I love your craftsmanship and wish you would SMILE more. I would never dis-respect my Father the way you have.
Both of them! Get a grip! When it all boils down, Family is more important than a business, ratings, or income. Both are to blame. They are too much alike and I think they both know it.
Get the TV Cameras out of your lives. That is not how real people live.
I wish you both well.
Motorcycle Lover Bill
It to the point Paul Sr is just a A$$ hole and he think he God if doesn’t change he will lose his sons for life.
Paul Sr is an idiot.
i don’t like paul jr
he is arrogant and spoiled and has everything because of his daddy
without sr, paulie would be nothing
i am a chopper fan and sr loves bikes and loves his bussiness
but paulie come on he has no passion for bikes
or even his own bussiness
lazy bum
Being from Texas I have seen this all before……Both guys are in the wrong as well as both guys are in the right. Paul Sr is Jerry Jones and Paul Jr is Jimmy Johnson…
Now yes, Jerry fired Jimmy and the team is still making bikes with out him but is the MONEY as good as it could have been if Jimmy was still around?
Jimmy has started his own business and Jerry now has a bunch of substitute sons.
Since the time that Jerry fired Jimmy, Jerry has lost his other son Mikey who won’t speak to him, his dog Gus just died and if he doesn’t watch out he just might lose his overall health. I ask Jerry this…Since when did family become 2nd to ego, money and fame?
I ask Jimmy this…if the boss wants you at work at a certain time, who the hell gave you the POWER to show up when ever the f%#K you want? You were WRONG!!!
Like I said, both are right and both are wrong.
My suggestions: STOP LISTENING to your WIVES!!!! They are the ones that are TRYING to break you guys up so THEY can HAVE ALL THE MONEY!!!!
Jimmy has now been his own boss and has now gotten a taste of what a bad employee can do to a company…so he fired him!!! Isn’t that what Jerry did?
Jerry only wanted HIS majority owned company to all show up at work at the same time and leave at the same time. Is that really that hard to do…show up to work on time???
Jerry should END the lawsuit and let Jimmy keep his shares and just control the company with out having to pay Jimmy any profit sharing…it is done all the time in businesses.
Jimmy has nobody to blame but himself if this is what happens.
Maybe one of these days these two will put their egos aside and give the other person some respect that they deserve and HELP each other instead of trying to hurt one another.
In the meantime…MIKEY IS THE ONE WHO IS REALLY GETTING HURT!!!!!
I think all of the drama is just for the camera. Jr has a large interest in OCC so it is in his best interst for occ to survive this economy and keep the ratings up on the show.
SR is an ass. they made a fortune because JR designed awesome bikes. To lose your children over money is pathetic
Much have that has been said here is true. And some a little exaggerated.
Ultimately….Dad…..Paulie…….step over the barriers you both have put up.
Shake hands and give each other a good hug. And then apologize to Mike for putting him in the middle. Get back to being a family. Screw the money. Family is more important.
Good luck to you ALL…God Bless you ALL.
Ron
Paul Sr. is such an ignorant, arrogant, mean spirited person. His language of dis, dat, dese and doz really bugs me. All of the things he says to his son is so hurtful and harmful. I never once, when they worked together, heard him give a word of praise or anything positive. It was always negative. For Paulie to keep his own spirits up and to stay positive is a testament to his good heartedness. It’s no wonder he would blow his top when he did. Who could keep on swallowing all of the vileness spewing out of Sr. Yes, poor Sr. had to lay on his back on the cold ground (too stupid to put a pad down) to work on bikes. How many of you guys would do that if you loved working on bikes? Probably all of you. Nobody starts out with a damn full blown garage etc. The point is, Sr should have been proud of what he could offer his sons. He was lucky enough to have Paulie as an extremely talented designer to further the business he started. What good father wouldn’t want better for his kids? Not an ugly, arrogant bastard like Sr. I don’t know how Mikey and Paulie really got to be sweethearted guys with an overbearing bastard like Sr. They must have had a good mom. Those boys are good brothers to each other, and look out for each other and love each other,which they would share with Sr. if he wasn’t such an asshole. Everything that Sr. projects onto Jr. every lying mouthful is about himself. He calls Jr. arrogant, selfish, only thinks about money, does nothing in the shop all day, all the crap he spews is about himself. Pauly works on all the bikes in his own shop. He doesn’t scream at an belittle his employees. People are happy there. No one is happy at OCC.. Even if Pauly was late at work, all projects met deadlines. Sr. stands around with his thumb up his ass and other than his screaming or trying to screw in one bolt maybe, sits with hi feet up on the desk. Oh yeah, he would appear to sit his fat ass on the bike for the first ride and for the unveiling like he did it all. Ever hear anything like praise for Paulie’s designs.? I think not. Since Paulie left Sr. everything from Sr’s mouth tears Paulie down. like his “i know for a fact” that he stole that company from me” or I know for a fact he can’t build a bike and he doesn’t like bikes” and he made Mikey turn on him ” and blah, blah, blah. Oh God I despise that ugly, nasty, arrogant bastard, and he really doesn’t deserve them. You watch though, in the end they will forgive the non-deserving asshole. i just hate what he is doing with those boys (and Vinnie, another good guy who’s baby’s birth celebration was crapped on by Sr.) and Mikey, a happy,cheerful fun lovin’ guy whose been tossed in the middle. Gee, for all of you who think Sr. is a good guy, it’s pretty funny all three of his son’s aren’t on speaking terms with that vile man. Nothing hurts worse than a father’s scorn.
I think the old man is crazy, he might have started the business but it was his son who made it successful. What do you expect the old guy is a biker at heart, looking to fight all the time, be a bully and probably result of long term affects of abuse showing up now. Makes me a bit sad something entertaining like the show could self destruct so completely so quickly.
So these guys are artists, so I guess this is a necessary end, so that art is not overdone.
Old man you need to get some prozac and chillllll!
The Teutuls (Good Family) Tough times
The TV Producers have a responsibility to put a product out that creates a stir. They do their best to Get our blood pressure up so we will tune in again and again.
It appears The Building of custom bikes has only carried the show so far. The people that watched (like myself) were interested in the craftsmanship, new technics and new equipment that was offered to help build a better product. The final product was something to be proud of and show off. The show stopping bikes produce were a creation of both Sr ,Jr and a bit of humor from mikey .
I miss that show and would welcome it back in a heartbeat.
The drama portrayed on the show called AMERICAN CHOPPER hardly represents a show about building bikes any longer. Coleman Grills? Really?
The more the show continues on the soapbox variety, The more the audience will change from motor cycle enthusiasts to those interested in a family caught, in a terrible period of their Lives. A time when patience and understanding seem to be “just words” with no meaning.
Its hard to sympathize with Sr or Jr when they allow their personal business to be play out for all the world to judge. Especially when the producers have the power to portray either one of these Gentlemen as the Good or Bad guy on any given show. I wonder what this does to your family members that are trying to live a normal life?
Personally I wish the show would stay focust on the engineering technics and new equipment that is available in the building of an American Chopper.
Do your family justice and stop the camera’s from recording your personal issues.
I wish your family piece and prosperity without the cameras.
Let’s get back to building a quality bike and let the program take care of itself.
I think Seniors issues are result of his steroid use. He seems to definitely have an unhelthy mental capacity.
I do hope they work out their differences but I doubt we will ever see them in the same shop again. If they were to decide to reunite professionally, one way it could be done is for them to market Paul Junior Designs by OCC, as another line.
Time will tell.
AFTER WATCHING THE SHOW FOR YEARS I THINK THE ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM IS ANOTHER BIKE BUILD OFF LET BOTH SENIOR AND JR. BUILD A BIKE AND HAVE THE PUBLIC DECIDE WHICH IS THE BEST IT WOULD REBUILD INTEREST IN THE SHOW AND BRING AN END TO ALL THE FIGHTING REMEMBER THIS IS FAMILY AND ALL THINGS CAN BE FORGIVEN REGARDLESS WHO WINS I BELIEVE IT WOULD REUNITE BOTH SIDES WHEN THEY REALIZE BUSINESS IS BUSINESS AND TOGETHER THEY ARE STARS DEVIDED THEY ARE JUST BIKE BUILDERS
Its hard to get started in business, especially in the world today. Jr like many of the young people today have no idea how Srs business struggled when he first started his iron business. I bet there were many lean years before it got where it is today. Jr knows his stuff but wouldn’t be where he is today if it wasn’t for dad. Dad puts on that he is one tough cookie but behind his big mustache he really caring person and you can tell that he is really proud of his family. I bet if anyone threatened his family he would be right there to defend them. His younger years were plagued with many personal problems that he recognized and did something to correct them. Junior walked into a pot of gold and only see’s the fruits of his dads earlier struggles. Maybe helping the whole family get back to being a close family and able to work together again would be a good project for Dr. Phil. I only hope for the best for this entertaining family that the the viewers seem to enjoy especially watching the young ones getting Sr worked up for such penny antics within.
Mr Teutul the older is an infantile alco-rage-a-holic and would benefit from twelve months in the can with five great big guys who call him Pauline. The narcissistic-envy that rules his life and causes his obscene attitude toward Junior’s pretty awesome talents should be studied by psychiatrists, psychologists, statisticians with access to copies of the Fourth Edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders – DSM-IV) police forces and by other pathologically-ingrate mountains of vanity!
Look at them. Neanderthals? Dumasses belong in a cage at the zoo. Did any of them (except Michael) finish school? I don’t watch this anymore. Paul’s temper explosions and Jr’s ignorant dialogue sent me to other programs months ago. It’s about as interesting as watching signal lights change or those crab boats in the Bering Sea where every other word is bleeped out or they are in a storm. Boooooring!
after meeting jr /sr/ and mike and doing business with their powder coat shop in Westmoreland,NY , for $1.00, I would mediate a resolution between the sides….
The writers did the tipical thing and started a second shop for more drama.Just like all the other shows,LA Ink,Miami Ink,and so on.
I see garbage TV you put family out where everyone looks and sees you pooping on each other; sad but you do, and I can stop laughing because you might be big but you look stupid!!!! ask the producers they love stupidity and you people give them what they want. ha ha ha ha by stupid
the bottom line is that jr. and like the rest of these new younger generation has no respect for their elders. occ foundation came from sr. NOT from jr. i truly enjoyed watching this show at the very beginning. even though sr. and jr. argued. i never took it to heart because they represent every other family including mine that family will always disagree with each other but the great thing in the past about these 2 guys was that at the end they were able to finish their project. it was fun to watch although i felt that sr. over did his frustration with jr. jr. also had no right to disrespect sr. because all sr. wanted hi to do was work like everyone else in the company. jr.gotworse at the end when the company started getting successful.
if i was jr. i would have truly given sr. all the respect. his father was the foundation and jr. should not forget where ll the tools, the money, the shop, the other employees came from. sr. is the root and that will not change. jr. is such an ungrateful child. how many chance can you get to meet all these important people, get to see all these wonderful places in the world if it was not for his father. watching the new shows showing jr. buiilding motorcycle for some business who just wants to be a part of discovery channel or pay a high price advertisement just to be on the show is so pathetic. a lot of americans have lost respect for both jr. and sr. including myself because of the fact that they both have gotten greedy and they do not care who they step on just to build their own individual egos.
i and several hundreds of my fellow motorcycle riding partners have stopped watching the show and actually have stopped talking about sr. and jr. we would rather watch and talk about other show like “biker build off” which is truly a fun show to watch because of the fact that even though the biker builders are competing against each other, at the end they both have respect for each other. jr. and sr. in fact i would rathr watch dancing with the stars than watch how these 2 clowns tries to destroy each other.OCC, you are now history as far as i am concerned. keep getting greedy and both of you will end up with nothing.
Paul Sr. is an idiot. now that Paul Jr won now Paul senior wants to be nice. Fuck that. You should have thought about that every time you bad mouthed your own son. Your a dick. How can you treat your own kids like that. I hope you loose everything to your son. Any man that treats his own sons like the way he has treated his sons should be shot. He is a disgrace. Odie is a piece of garbage. He should get punched in the fucking face. That’s it.
I feel for both parties, but over the years, Jr. was always nagging his father with his antics. Having worked for my father when I was younger, and having a respect for his authority, as well as his being my dad, it would never dawn on me to do what Jr. did. Sr. is no angel in this, but his son used him to get famous, and then stuck it to him after driving him to blowup. The stuff that Paul Jr. would do was so easy to “Not DO” and yet he did it knowing it would upset the old man. He pushed his father to break, and then complained about it? Another one is Mikey. Talk about a waste of space. He never had a real job in his life, so his father got him a job at the shop. What did he do? He did next to nothing, and failed at every task he was given. He was given jobs, cars, houses, and was made famous. He then turns on his father who didn’t have a beef with him. Loser. Maybe they get back together, and maybe they don’t, but Sr. deserved better. He may be an ahole, but he provided opportunities for his sons, who shat on him and then are upset when he moves on. I miss the old biker buildoff show now, as OCC had turned into a soap opera.
hey junior, whats your problem, dad is always right even when hes wrong, grow up and love thy father.
The 60 days, in the original post, should be up by now.
Is the three way with Jesse part of their settlement ?
The only “winner” will be the lawyers and TV.
I like both Sr. & Jr. but I have to say that it was Sr’s. money that started the company and not Jr’s. The father is the head of the household and should be respected and by the same token he should respect Jr. There were times that Jr. would not show up for work and when Sr would get on him Jr. would get mad and start yelling at Sr. and to me Jr. was not taking the responsible for his actions, if my son would do that I would get mad also. If Jr would treat Sr. with respect as a son to a Father he could get anything from Sr. I also noticed that when Sr. gets on him for something he did Jr. would go around biching and bad mouthing his father and that is not right.
I still like to see the bike builds. Color me stupid. Focusing on the positive aspects on this progressing saga is that some very talentec peoples efforts are showcased. What I find Ironic is there are many blood and guts bike biulders out there that don’t get the air these people do. You may call him a waste case but I can see this simple fact in Mikey’s attitude. Oh well, it puts fans in the stands.Mercahant Marines. . . hahaha. Try volunteering for real service. I don’t think think the “Merchant Marines” ever took a Submarine to and from periscpoe depth. Try that for adventure Sr. NIce blurb on the “Deadliest Catch” bike episode. “oh I’m ok on the coastal waters” Johnny Cockran. . were are you?
Peace and Love to the worker bees.
Ahem. . I should lern how to proff read. ha ha
My post were a little bit offense twoards Sr. My apololgies to anyone who has has ever been out to “sea”. Survinig out at sea is a 24/7 a day grind. Add to that the possiblities of holes in the people tank or hull. Time away from land /home is time away.I enjoy the fruits of what the fishermen do. Seafares all and they have to go farther and farther out to get the catch. Sr. just pissed me off. If he wants his son’s to be adventurous then stop inviting them into the Octagon. Go on UFC alone. battle Randy. From what I’ve “seen” Sr. is scincere but he has had a lot of talented people along side him to get this far. Remember your people Sr. One ship. . one crew. Personally I feel if he put Jr. out on his his own. . he would come through . I sure he hopes so. . .
Peace . Love
After rewatching the episode of the Trans Am, and GTO bike builds by OCC and the Crazy Ape builds by PJD crews. . . I hope I didn’t offend “anyone” with my post. I have many skill sets in my bag of tricks but building a kick arse bike is not one of them. Was OCC ever invited to the series “Biker Build Off “? I miss that series too! Who was the scowling guy ( I think his name was Steve ) that appeared to push Sr.s’ buttons about Jr. and Mikey? He face just said create confict to me. Is he family or just have a controlling % of the OCC Co? Anyhoo the featured bikes are kick arse.
To the Tueutul’s Stay Strong. This economy is gonna get really shrunk soon.
Peace
SR is the biggest ass he think jr didnt do anything for the company jr made occ what it is. jim q is adouche bag and so is jason p.mike is a yes man and so is rick.jr and sr both have big egos they both need to deflat that ego and mikey caught in cross fire but he no jrs is right for what he did.he didnt compete for over a year his dad tried to take back the 20% that sr give him for nothing jr built all the bikes that made them who they are.sr need to grow up and stop talking shit about jr aleast jr bikes look differnt evey time not just the paint job all of occ bikes look the same nothing custom about it rick dont even make the tank anymore.once again jim q and jason p and sr are douche bags.i only watch the show when they are showing vinney or mikey,jr.the show only good when jr is bulding a one kind bike
it really doesn’t matter to me but what should happen is that they should just shake hands and leave it the h#(( alone and just go on with their lives and just keep on building KILLER bikes and for the record I would like to have either the 64 goat that Sr. has just for the simple reason is that it has a one (1) year hood on it as long as it is a standard shift 6-pack car and to go with that the Buick GS that he has don’t know weather it is a 350, 400, or a 455 hoping that they are 4-speed cars
Paul Sr. is a douche.
Reality TV sucks. Family is always more important than money.
You all are on the wrong page. They have every idiot fooled. They only care about money. The new show started…they are making even more. Jokes on you if you do not see the truth. It is like Steve jobs and Bill gates…they make tons of money off eachother, just like this family. Wake the fuck up
You only have to take a look at what Jr. has done in his own shop so far to see there is true talent and new age ideas in that man. I think it’s really sad that Sr. won’t give him an ounce of credit for the success OCC has become. I understand Sr. was raging mad because Jr. seemed to be laying down on him often and Sr.’s position with a deadline hanging over him was stressfull. I just think Sr. should at least give Jr the credit he’s owed but the bottom line is… in the end as bad as the situation is, The firing lit a fire under Jr. that will take him as far as he wants to go in business. He will be allowed to display and claim ALL the credit due to him and at some point will experience the frustration of a vital piece of his team laying down on him. Then he will understand his Fathers position. And Sr. will have the business he built from the ground up all to himself. Hopefully, eventually they will make up and both be in a better place for their personal selves. I hope they make up before that baby is born. I don’t know if Jr. could ever forgive Sr. if he wasn’t there for the begining of his child’s life. Sr. PLEEEASE don’t let this temporary situation create lifetime hard feelings reguarding Jr.s baby. its not worth it!!
At the end of the day life is too short u only get one dad even after ways gone on they should make up
Paul Jnr would not be tolerated in Australia – coming into work as an employee late – just taking time off to go to the Doctor/Dentist or anywhere else without telling the Boss would not cut it for an employee in Australia – he would be sacked after three warnings – son or employee it makes no difference – he is a little arrogant shit who should not have gotten away with his whinging nature – the old man built the company with hard labor and smart marketing including the TV series, it made him, Paul Jr and Mickey.
What a joke Mickey is – having a man servant to clean up after him – an oxygen sucker both of them.
He needs to do a trade course and get a real job instead of trying to be a stand up comedian, painter etc – he is an idiot and unproductive in life. Send him out here so we can straighten him out a bit – we looked after them all when they came to Australia as a family and fragmented from there – come out again where the tough men survive and we will put your lives back together without all the crap surrounding you now
Tezza
I WANT TO HAVE A TALK WITH PAUL TEUTUL SR RIGHT NOW
I have been watching the show since it started and all i can say is “what a spoiled jerk jr is and that mickey is a leech. who else can be fired one day and shortly there after is able to continue living in a nice house for a year with no job other then the tv series itself. i also disagree that jrs wife is so much part of the show, i hope they’re not paying this women. its like jr doesnt go to the bathroom without her being right there with him. maybe someday after the show is done jr will grow up and do the right thing and go see his dad and keep his big mouth shut for once. one last thing vinnie should do is take a look at his own self in the mirror. since when does it matter what he thinks. he creates so much drama by himself. i know he would say thats how he feels about sr. but really where would he be today without orange count chopper. His own business sucks. not much to say about mickey and his crap art. somebody has done him no favors when they told him that he is an artists, waste of good art materials. he really needs some serious help. it will be interesting to see where everyone is in life five years after the show ends, if sr can last that long. remember jr and mickey when dad is dead and gone its to late to fix things. how would feel if this was happening between your own kids and yourselves, thats right you dont have any kids, do you? lastly jr really how long would you put up with an employee that did the same things that you got away with at OCC, remember even vinnie complained about your work habits and how much it bothered him, he couldn’t even keep OCC shop clean without cring about it. good luck guys
P.S. SR. I REALLY HOPE THAT YOUR KIDS WILL GROW UP AND TELL YOU SORRY THEY WERE FOR HURTING YOU SO MUCH OVER THE YEARS. YOU SEEM TO HAVE A VERY NICE AND UNDERSTANDING WIFE.
Trout….
You say
“…I have been watching the show since it started…”
Why….???
(just wondering)
-nicker-
Jnr does’t deserve a cent. He worked for his father and was paid well and the Snr gave him shares in company so Jnr would pull his finger out and pull his weight but all Jnr saw was dollar signs and wanted money for his shares GIVEN to him. Judge is wrong !!!!!!!!!
I have watched every show and still feel as tony stated that the judge was wrong. sr set up the 20% for jr for him later in life. i read somewhere that jr is worth around 15 million dollars, pretty nice i wish my dad set me up that way. please tell where sr went wrong my wanting his son to set examples by just being to work on time, and keep your work space clean. even the other employees (including the great vinney) all complained on jrs and mickey’s work habits. before my disability i owned my own business and you can bet i had rules to follow. its like this, either do it my way or you will be fired. sr’s only problem is that he should of had a clause that stated, if your fired, no 20%. simple.
has anyone bought any of mickeys so called art work. i didnt think so. where is he getting his money to live the way he does and have the house that he has. i guess dad was worth being around at some time. maybe he saw his money train leave the station when he cut ties with dad. i think jr is paying for his fat ass.
if sr ever read this, i am a dad of four kids and i think the way your kids have treated you is terrible. just remember that as long as you leave the front door open, then it’s up to them if they want to come in.
Count on it. Sooner or later there will be a domestic violence incident arrest and someone will be injured. Pride, steroids, and money. Oedipus all over again.
I believe that Paul Sr is a spoiled brat……..had absolutely no respect for his father…….as for Mikey………I don’t know why he was ever in that business……….Just saying……….