American Chopper. Senior VS. Junior VS. Falcon Motorcycles

Since a few days the custom motorcycle industry is buzzing with the story of Paul Teutul Junior wearing front of the cameras since August 12, 2010 in his TV show “Senior vs. Junior” a Paul Junior Designs tee-shirt featuring as front graphic what appears to be the photo of a motorcycle named Bullet built by Ian Barry of Falcon Motorcycles. This tee-shirt is also modeled by Paul Junior and offered for sale online in the category “vintage tees” in Paul Junior Designs website for a price of $25.50.

I had to watch the new Teutul TV show “Senior Against Junior” to get confirmation of all this. Was it possible that Falcon Motorcycles licensed  their Bullet Falcon motorcycle to Paul Jr.? Highly improbable. So, I contacted Falcon and got confirmation from Ian Barry & from his partner Amaryllis Knight that no such authorization to reproduce their motorcycle creation exists. I also contacted Paul Junior asking him to make a statement regarding the use of Bullet on his company tee-shirts. At time of publication, he still didn’t reply.

It used to be that Custom Builders showing a motorcycle on their clothing line were promoting their own creation, and it’s what all people assume. Paul Jr. being a TV personality, this “Paul Junior Designs tee-shirt” seen by millions will certainly make viewers think that the motorcycle featured on it was built by him. And of course I think it’s very, very wrong. How would you feel as a Custom Builder if you see people in the street wearing a tee shirt featuring your motorcycle creation with the name of another builder printed on it and knowing that they paid $25.50 to wear it?

I know Paul Teutul Jr. since he was a beginner in the industry way before his TV shows and celebrity. Although it is somewhat difficult to write against a friend of the industry, to stay true to being a good reporter I must not let personal feelings and relationships with all the people I know interfere with what I publish. My commitment to you is to report honest stories and to support them with factual information. Maybe Paul Jr. has an excuse, and of course if he decides to make a statement in my Blog, like I proposed to him, I will publish it as is. To be fair  I must mention that the web pages where this tee-shirt was for sale were just removed from Paul Junior Designs website.

On top left, picture of Falcon Motorcyles Bullet custom motorcycle as seen on their own website. Top right, a close-up of tee-shirt modeled by Paul Jr. featuring print of Bullet bike picture in one color. Bottom picture, a screen shot of Paul Junior Designs website where the tee-shirt was advertised for sale (another web page featured this same tee, woman version.)

Update Sunday October 2nd At 8.50 AM (EST). I am informed that Paul Teutul Junior just posted in his website an apology to Falcon Motorcyles, stating that it is the fault of a 3rd. party vendor without any other explanation.

128 Responses to “American Chopper. Senior VS. Junior VS. Falcon Motorcycles”


  1. 1 TodT Oct 2nd, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Wow, looks like Junior might be paying Falcon a few dollars or throwing a few boxes of T shirts into the trash…

  2. 2 Greg Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:06 am

    Whatever his apology (because Jr. kew Cyril was about to post the story), accusing a 3rd party vendor is not an excuse. If a tee-shirt with the picture of another motorcycle than his is proposed to him, how come he doesn’t think that the motorcycle was built by somebody else? Apology of Junior is BS. Thank you Cyril for reporting this..

  3. 3 Shifter Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:10 am

    I agree with Greg. The excuse is not credible. Paul Teutul knew it was not one of his bikes (hope so!) He approved this tee shirt with the picture of a custom motorcycle on it that he knew was built by somebody else. No excuse.

  4. 4 J. Carter Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:18 am

    What a mistake Paulie. Bad for your image because I agree that there is no way you could ignore that you were using the image of a bike built by another builder. Respect your fellow builders struggling for a living and who don’t make millions like you because you are on TV. They are as good or much better builders than you. You owe Falcon Motorcycles and to all custom builders!

  5. 5 Kelley Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Bravo Cyril. Shame on you Paul Junior. You don’t reply to Cyril who gave you a chance to explain before publishing the story and you just post a short panic apology no excusing you in any way.

  6. 6 MotorMan Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Paul. Why don’t you give us the name of the 3rd party vendor who sold you this tee shirt design? You don’t design your tees? You approve designs with a motorcycle you did not built? What excuse is that?

  7. 7 Justin Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Wow. Insult to injury. First he steals somebody else’s bike and photo, then his apology is to blame it on a 3rd party???! BS is piling higher if you ask me. Some kind apology that is: “It wasn’t me”!

    Paul Jr definitely knows he didnt build that bike and what’s more, unless he’s been living under a rock (quite possible) how could he be a custom bike builder that has no idea what that Falcon bike looks like seeing as it’s been on just about every motorcycle website and in mags for two years?! Maybe he’s too busy studying the tails of lizards as inspiration for his next Geico build to be paying any attention to what anybody else in the motorcycle world is doing.

    Either way, man up. Totally Lame followed by Lamer. Thanks Cyril, can’t be easy if the cop out’s your friend.

  8. 8 Kris D. Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Paul, you wrote in your website, apology to all your fans??? Are you kidding? What about apologizing to all builders for your designs inspiration?

  9. 9 Mr. Potts Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Good job Cyril! I still for the life of me cannot understand why these people are still on TV. The conflict between Jr. and Sr. is made up just to get a couple of more seasons out of their tired show.
    I think they need to focus on their motorcycle business. Whatever happened to all of the OCC dealerships that were going to open across the country?
    By the look of the Falcon Motorcycle, they need their own show!

  10. 10 Robbie. Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Although it’s not an excuse for Paul Teutul Jr. I would really like to know if it’s really a 3rd party vendor who proposed to put this motorcycle on a tee shirt or if it was a deliberate personal choice made by Paul. Cyril, you should look intothis. Who is this 3rd party if any? You are the best and most honest reporter in the business.

  11. 11 James Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Guys you’re all missing the point. Falcon’s motorcycle isn’t orange or lime green and comissioned by a mega corporation so it’s not custom, it’s “vintage”. Never mind that it’s had the time in to building it that’s been widely reported or that it’s more recognizable than any other custom bike that comes to mind because of all the coverage it’s received. Paul Jr. needs to get a clue. Name the third party vendor and then take responsibility for your actions anyway, he didn’t have to print the shirt or wear it episode after episode. You’re a design company, design your own bike, design your own shirt, and make a real apology to the bike builder who put blood sweat and tears into creating something original, that you blatantly ripped off.

  12. 12 Kemper Oct 2nd, 2010 at 9:05 am

    My feeling is that Junior ripped off on purpose a builder thinking that he and is bike were unknown. And it would prove that he is completely disconnected fromf the motrcycle industry. He should read Cyril’s blog more often. Cyril featured the Bullet and it is part of the reason the bike is so well known. No respect for you Paul Jr..

  13. 13 Brandon Oct 2nd, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Caught red handed ripping off a talented builder. Period. No excuse.

  14. 14 Just my opinion Oct 2nd, 2010 at 9:59 am

    I totally agree that it is not only wrong but also shows a lack of integrity to use another mans work and call it yours. But non of this is new in the motorcycle world, in fact most builders copy the designs of other builders. Most are not this blatent about doing it but they still copy othets designs and use the ideas of others.I am not saying this was right because there is NO excuse for stealing another mans work. I am saying it happens all the time, so why is anyone shocked. Lets face it OCC built their show on other peoples designs and took credit for most of it. Nothing new for Sr. or Jr.

  15. 15 pj98rider Oct 2nd, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Playing devil’s advocate here…it is conceivable a 3rd party design company came to him and he did not know whose bike it was. There are thousands of bike images all over the web and Paulie may have thought it was a clip art design. If it was an actual photo of Falcon’s bike, than it would be different. This was an interpretation of a photo and not necessarily a clear one.

    On the apology…he’s up front on his web page right away. Many would do nothing. Right now it’s between him and Falcon. I’m not ready to convict him on “stealing” until all facts are out.

  16. 16 Greek Oct 2nd, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Come on. If you know a little bit about photo and print, it’s not a clip or drawing. It’s clearly a print in black of the color picture of the Bullet as shown above. If you see a bike that you like and didn’t built it, somebody else built it. As simple as I just said.

  17. 17 pj98rider Oct 2nd, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Still think that saying he “stole” it is harsh and not right without all facts. Paul does not have rep for stealing that I know of.

  18. 18 Unkl Ian Oct 2nd, 2010 at 11:26 am

    He presents himself as a “Designer”,

    wears and sells shirts with his name on them,

    but the shirts are designed by a “third party” ?

    Cop out.

  19. 19 dictionary Oct 2nd, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Steal (st l) v. stole (st l), sto·len (st l n), steal·ing, steals v.tr.

    1. To take (the property of another) without rig permission.
    2. To present or use (someone else’s words or property as ones own.

  20. 20 My Intellectual Property Not Yours Oct 2nd, 2010 at 11:39 am

    In Paul Junior Designs, I read the word Designs. And he subcontracts his tees designs and don’t ask himself who built the Bullet before printing it? Paul Jr. must think he is above all of us and above all builders. And it’s what happens. Caught stealing a design.

  21. 21 Paul Oct 2nd, 2010 at 11:47 am

    OMG. A non scripted show of stupidity. Why do this and take the risk of being exposed? Can’t understand.

  22. 22 Bobby Oct 2nd, 2010 at 11:48 am

    I have been a fan of Jr’s talent from back when the series started. Every artist will emanate anothers work in one way or another, but the tee shirt situation does come with less of a gray area than say… a bike built having features similar to another builder.

    The perspective I have is this: look at Sr. and consider Jr’s upbringing. I didn’t necessarily think Jr did this to claim that he made the bike, and seeing as Sr is probably the most immature guy with a gray beard I have seen (like father like son)… Jr did this more to say “hey… I’m on my own now”, and then apparently he approves the shirt to include a perfect example of a bike that not only he wouldn’t typically build, but really the only type of bike Sr. can design (if we’re talking design talent vs design talent). I really don’t think he was trying to present this bike as his. The guy is really going through some tough times and it was a bad decision considering what the shirt may mean to the Bike World.

    He designs some great stuff and should overcome his poorly thought-out deicison and be a viable designer for years to come. At least we now know for sure that Jr was the guy for the first 3 seasons.
    He really puts a lot of heart in what he does and doesn’t need to carry his designs on paint & graphics all the time. Both of his Bikes are an awesome start. I’d love to have a Paul Jr. chopper!

  23. 23 kber45 Oct 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I think it would be obvious to most people that the bike on the shirt wasn’t his. The bike on the shirt looks good.

  24. 24 Copy Not Right Oct 2nd, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Made a search and the story of this tee appeared in forums, including in OCC/Teutul/Paul junior forums at least 2 weeks ago. And Junior writes a vague and not so credible apology only (it seems) when Cyril contacts him and asks him about it? Hmmm. Thanks Cyril.

  25. 25 Bobby Oct 2nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Realistically, Jr needs to be very careful until he discusses the situation with Falcon and determinte what level of communication they are at (could be their attorneys discussing the matter!).

    There are tons of builders out there, and like kber45 points out “The Bike on the shirt looks good”. Not everyone liked Warhol, not everyone liked Monet… the matter of taste is an argument that really has no resolution. We tend to each like what we like.

  26. 26 Gofannon Oct 2nd, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    As a “designer” and “member” of the custom motorcycle industry, Paul Jr. should have recognized the Bullet as it was commissioned by actor Jason Lee…

  27. 27 Jason Oct 2nd, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Was the tee selling because of the graphic or because of the name on the shirt or both and in what percentage? How many show viewers have been deceived? Let’s have lawyers argue on this. Paul Junior is now obliged to declare how many were printed and sold. Bookkeeper, time to give the numbers.

  28. 28 Robert Shu Oct 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    It’s now turning into a positive free advertising campaign for Falcon with increased traffic to their website. Ha, ha, ha. Thanks, Paulie.

  29. 29 worth-it!! Oct 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Oh man!! I see $$$ here as this T will be removed and not sold anymore! .. Find that T-shirt and buy it, hold on to it and dont remove the tags…. its going to worth some bling later in life! … Hey Paul Jr. dont worry all is good and you will thrive , ive seen worst items being copied from handbags to condoms. You think that coffee you drink is from a mango tree? Same tree diff. label ! go figure !

  30. 30 Michael Oct 2nd, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Hey yo Pauly, -♪♫ I see your true colors, shining through…♪♫

  31. 31 D. alexander Oct 2nd, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    In the apology in his website Paulie says that the shirt was created when Paul Junior Designs started. He could not show any bike because none were built under his new label. So, he took the short and illegal way, using the bike of a builder he didn’t know anything about. Translate in his mind by he will not bother me, he is unknown and nobody has seen the Bullet bike. He should have asked his talented painter brother to create smething. I know, he would not have sold one.

  32. 32 Christian Oct 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Copy the logo of OCC or of Paul Jr, Designs (nobody wanting to copy their bikes) and be ready to immediately receive a call from their lawyers. Just answer, it’s the mistake of a 3rd party vendor. No problem.

  33. 33 Gofannon Oct 2nd, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    “In the apology in his website Paulie says that the shirt was created when Paul Junior Designs started. He could not show any bike because none were built under his new label. So, he took the short and illegal way, using the bike of a builder he didn’t know anything about. Translate in his mind by he will not bother me, he is unknown and nobody has seen the Bullet bike. He should have asked his talented painter brother to create smething. I know, he would not have sold one.” – D. alexander

    Which would reinforce my point that Paul Jr. is merely a tool living in his own vapid little bubble, isolated from the ‘real’ custom motorcycle world to not recognize this piece of fine art on wheels (which has been featured in almost every major publication in the business BTW). IMO, anything that Paul Jr. has ever built belongs rusting away in the back-trade-in-lot of a Honda dealership. I laughed to the point of tears when they were building the Miller bike and he proclaimed on their show how ‘innovative’ they were to route the exhaust to the left side.

  34. 34 Martinez Oct 2nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Proof that with a lot of luck you can be dumb and make millions in a tv non-reality show. Sad to observe that there is a huge public to watch these clowns without real talent and buying their t-shirts.

  35. 35 Manhattan Choppers Oct 2nd, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    You know u signed off on it, man up, admit your error of ways that’s all, don’t lay blame. I think we all really know what happened and you would have saved face. In other words, plagiarism is an act of fraud. It involves both stealing someone else’s work and lying about it afterward. I quess it’s the biggest form of flattery though also. Hot wife by the way.

  36. 36 Manhattan Choppers Oct 2nd, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Sorry what I said about the juice clown serving Ca. also Cyril. I was a little hateful, I will watch my words and was uncalled for. Hope you will be @willies for bikefest again.

  37. 37 Kyle Oct 2nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    It’s not the first time Jr. has used someone elses designs. It won’t be the last, but I love how he got cought at it. On National T.V. Goes to show what type of person he realy is.
    Later,
    Kyle

  38. 38 John E Adams Oct 2nd, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Pitiful -;0(

  39. 39 Footshifted Oct 2nd, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Even with the 3rd party stuff… You would think as a bike builder he would have asked about the picture?? Why not put one of your own bikes on the shirt… Or a concept bike of his own design?

  40. 40 Grey Beard Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Solution to compensate for the screw up. On one of the episodes, Pauly should make up a reason to pay a visit to Falcon Motorcycles and talk to Ian Barry about Ian’s work. This will give Ian some free airtime, and will somewhat justify Pauly jr for wearing the Bullet shirt on his show.

  41. 41 Unkl Ian Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    If you were Ian Berry, would you really want to be on THAT show ?

  42. 42 Scot Oct 2nd, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    This was a blatant copy plain and simple. But why doesn’t everyone get pissed like this when someone knocks off another builders bike bolt for bolt? We’ve seen it plenty of times before where it’s the same damn bike with a different paint job. Hell even the magazines that feature these bikes don’t care. Same goes for the parts that get knocked off and ultimately manufactured in China. Nobody really cares except the guy who busted his ass and created the original part to start with.

    Are we really pissed because a picture of a bike was copied or because it was Paul Jr who did it? I’m not sticking up for Paul Jr at all. What he did was wrong. I do think at this point we need to stay out of it and let the lawyers do the talking.

    Good work Cyril.

  43. 43 Dave Blevins Oct 2nd, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    Those of us in the industry and readers of this blog can see this obvious blunder for what it actually is…
    However, the public at large and/or fans of the OCC series probably will never know about it, or care. And that is a shame.

  44. 44 Chopperhead Oct 3rd, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Cool bikers/bike builders you are! I think you look like a bunch of gossip girls, that like to hang around in shop and talk shit about anothers luck, instead of build or ride what you built. Admit it – Anyone of you would like to be in his shoes and have his money! Its just buisness……

  45. 45 Irish Rose Oct 3rd, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Whether Paulie approved of the design or someone in his company did, he dropped the ball by not following through to have his legal ducks in a row regarding the design. My sentiments follow with what a lot of others here are saying about the apology and his excuse why this snafu occurred. In my opinion it was/is sloppy business.

  46. 46 David Oct 3rd, 2010 at 12:40 am

    Why didn’t he come out and just tell the truth—–“MIKEY DID IT”

    SSDD; David

  47. 47 ragingbull Oct 3rd, 2010 at 1:03 am

    You’d think PJD would want to promote one of his own designs on his marketing products. Pretty weak excuse too. BTW, I appreciate your journalistic integrity Cyril.

  48. 48 blobdo, Oct 3rd, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Blowhard and the boys is old! I like Dog the bounty hunter

  49. 49 Ashley Oct 3rd, 2010 at 2:06 am

    It’s pretty sad no matter what the excuse is. We don’t need to hear any of them…it is what it is. I can honestly say I have watched most all of the shows. When the show first started, it was actually about building motorcycles, now, it’s on TLC, enough said.

  50. 50 Fernando Oct 3rd, 2010 at 5:43 am

    L-A-M-E

    Go and ride your Bike!!!

  51. 51 Knucklehead Oct 3rd, 2010 at 7:58 am

    He’s as fake as I’ve aways thought of him.

  52. 52 jim Oct 3rd, 2010 at 8:22 am

    mmmm….unemployed mmi student needs job…any entry level jobs anywhere…

  53. 53 McScooter Oct 3rd, 2010 at 8:48 am

    For all his fans I must apologise for what I am about to say. This boy jr. is a complete hack! I have seen school children that are more creative and original with a box of crayons! That is the simple truth. The bike on the t shirt doesn’t even represent something he is capable of assembling unless it is copied. I suppose the 3rd party forced him to put this shirt on at gun point in a dark room as well?! I think not. Lets move on as this Jr. fellow is dilusional!

  54. 54 Johny Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:04 am

    I have to agree with Mc Scooter and all the comments above. Paul Jr. could not ignore he was wearing a tee featuring a motorcycle built by somebody else. He used TV (how many episodes taped with you wearing this tee?) to sell as many as he could. And now it’s a 3rd party mistake? Junior, you insult our intelligence. You don’t know what you wear? I think you are an idiot to think you could do this because Falcon Motorcycles is a small and not rich builder. They are much better than you and the motorcycle industry has much more respect for them than for you. You are caught, so apologize to Falcon, pay what you owe them, and stop blaming somebody else. Assume, learn your lesson and move on trying not to copy too evidently all good custom builders creations..

  55. 55 Patricia Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:24 am

    I also observe that people started to post in your own tv show forums about this tee shirt.about 3/4 weeks ago. It seems impossible that you didn’t know or that at least some people in your staff didn’t alert you. You could have called Falcon immediately. I think that you thought that it was a too small story in forums and that it would not go further. I also think that Cyril decided to publish about this to defend all custom builders because he knew that you didn’t call Falcon to aplogize. And you post an excuse on your site only when he tells you that he is going to publish? TV has huge power to sell t shirts. Cyril’s blog has also a lot of power in the industry. You made a triple big judgment mistake by doing this t shirt, not apologizing to Falcon immediately and not talking to Cyril.

  56. 56 Alan Mayes Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Here’s something no one else mentioned unless I missed it: PAULIE WAS WEARING THE SHIRT! How could he claim he didn’t know?

  57. 57 Carter Sr. Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:34 am

    It’s difficult for all builders to survive in this economy. They don’t have the help of tv. Paulie, ask Vinnie how he was doing with his new V-Force shop. Reason why he found a new job helping you. So, don’t rob custom builders. They all deserve your respect.

  58. 58 JimC Oct 3rd, 2010 at 10:44 am

    The truth is he probably did not see it until it was already made and sitting in his warehouse. The truth is that it was probably OKed by Joe P. He needs to get thrown out on his ear. I told him he didn’t know what he is doing a few years ago and this proves it once again. Joe handles the merch side of PJD and thus would be the one approving designs,including this one. He should have known that it was at least drawn by someone-not Jr. Jr should have drawn up his own design and put it on the shirt. As soon as he saw it,he should have asked where it came from but the thought probably never crossed his mind-that is one of the differences between him and his dad. his dad would have asked-no more than that,he would have told Jason to design a bike to be built and put on the shirt.

    I am glad to hear that Falcon is getting free publicity from this. It is a good looking bike. I think Jr is starting to find out it is not as easy as he thought it was going to be and now maybe he will start giving his old man credit for what he has done and continues to do. Just my opinion but if it was me, Joe would be looking a different job with no letter of recommendation.

  59. 59 Mc Queen Oct 3rd, 2010 at 11:01 am

    When you are a custom builder you don’t wear a shirt featuring a bike that you didn’t built because the bike was not born without a builder. Jim, if what you say is true there is still no excuse for Paul Junior. And it’s not a drawing but a printed picture in b&w like somebody already mentioned in comments. Even at Kinko’s you can’t print a picture more than one time without proving you have the copyright to reproduce it. I agree that the shirt is now a collectible and thanks to Paul (involuntarely) and Cyril (on purpose), Falcon Motorcycles is getting tons of free publicity. Outside of money, the best reward for Falcon.

  60. 60 Shirtless Oct 3rd, 2010 at 11:18 am

    If you own one of these shirts, ask Paul teutul Jr,. Ian Barry & Cyril Huze to autograph it. If you get all 3, it may be be worth a fortune in a few years! Let the race to the tee begin now.

  61. 61 D. Hamilton. Oct 3rd, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Paul Jr. should offer one shirt to both Ian & Cyril.

  62. 62 Greg Maney Oct 3rd, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Be ready to bid for a shirt on eBay.

  63. 63 olddude13 Oct 3rd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    BULL SHIT IN BULL SHIT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  64. 64 jdixon Oct 3rd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    You guys need to lighten up. Jr. was/is extremely busy starting a new shop/business. I’m a graphic designer who aslo happens to know bikes. But more than likely Rachel or one of the other people helping him start the business hired a design firm that doesn’t know Sh#&t about bikes. The designer probably googled “motocycles” and came up with this image. -It does look like an old bike and the design looked generic and cool to the designer so they proposed it as a design option…more than likely Paul didn’t approve all the graphics and thought the t shirt had an old bike graphic on it when he saw it. At that point, he did’t have a single bike to put on a shirt so he let a generic look get by on a shirt. He probably shouldn’t have , but i’m sure it wasn’t intentional to use anoter builder’s bike image on purpose. and he has appologized for it and making it right-like a man does. .
    You bunch of whiners would be the type to write letters to bike mags everytime a photo got published with an image flopped..remember those days? The DESIGNER didn’t know which side the primary cover goes on a harley. Actually it still happens today..look at Carlini customs ads in ER right now…their designer is doing it wrong. Why don’t you guys all let me know how you stopped reading EVERY motorcycle magazine since the 1970’s because a designer didn’t know enogh about motorcycles and made a mistake.
    Ok all you righteous ones tell me your story of never reading a single biker mag for the last 30 years because of your over the top arrogance. Give Jr. a break. he’s busting his asss off.

    PS, also all of you can post photos of the 2 custom bikes YOU built in 2 weeks…you all must have done it..haven’t you?????

  65. 65 Geoff. Oct 3rd, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    jdixon. What you say makes no sense. First, Paul junior is supposed (yeah) to belong to the motorcycle industry. Everybody and his brother and sister know this bike. Not him! A photography is never generic of a motorcycle. It’s an existing motorcycle. And junior doesn’t know what he is wearing? The bike is 2 years old and is always published with an editorial story and the name of the builder. What it has to do with the reverse image of a motorcycle in a magazine? Junior building 2 custom bikes in 2 weeks? Are yu kidding? All builders will tell you it’s impossible. It can take up to 8 weeks just to get the necessary parts and more than 2 weeks to do a mockup, fabrication, disassembly, molding, priming, painting, clear coating, buffing, assembling, etc. TV shows are edited to make you think that these motorcycles are built in 1 week. It’s not true. I don’t know what kind of designer you are but you know nothing about custom motorcycles and the way they are built. You watch too much the Teutuls and believe all what is said on tv. This is also part of the problem, reality tv shows not being reality shows and making people believe lies.

  66. 66 jdixon Oct 3rd, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    You need to get over yourself and get a life.

  67. 67 Dantec Oct 3rd, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    jdixon. You are an idiot. For your information it took Ian Barry 2 years to build Bullet, a masterpiece. And you know why? Because he is competent.

  68. 68 Rambler Oct 3rd, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    If a graphic designer was involved, he would be the first to know that you never steal a picture on the web to reproduce it on clothing. I don’t believe a graphic designer was involved. Even so, Paul junior approved the tee shirt. The first thing he should have asked is from where comes this picture.

  69. 69 jdixon Oct 3rd, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    You guys are fun to annoy. Who cares about Barry and how long it took to build the biike innocent mistakes happen. Not everything is a conspiracy you know.

  70. 70 Michael Parker Oct 3rd, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    jdixon is a Paul Jr groupie. Don’t pay attention.

  71. 71 Manhattan Choppers Oct 3rd, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Team Geoff

  72. 72 Bigalyts Oct 3rd, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Custom Builders, Y’all go Build a Bike or even Fix one and quit your whinning. The Winner is Falcon> They owe Pauly a BIG THANK YOU! That Bike Has 2 Chances of ever making it on TV………..First and Last……..Thank You Paulie Jr. Almost all of the Above, can’t stand that You Live in a Killer House, Married a Killer Chick. I Think the BEST thing that could happen to FALCON is having your SWEET looking Wife wear one of those T’s with the Falcon Bike on the front.. Now Let’s All in the Motorcycle Business and especially the Custom Bike Business say THANK YOU to Paulie Jr. and Sr. for all of the POSITIVE Influence that you have brought to this Industry. Cyrill I believe that Your Blog is a sucess because of the Chopper TV Show and some of the Biker Build off’s!

  73. 73 Richard Oct 3rd, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Bigalyst, I think you got it wrong from your first to your last world. Teutul’ fans are not here because they are not bikers.

  74. 74 Unkl Ian Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Stealing another’s work, even a picture,

    and presenting it as your own,

    is no different than stealing their car or TV.

    SOMEONE screwed up big time.
    And since JR had his name on it, he gets to take the heat.

  75. 75 JD Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Bigalyst, people watch the show for the same reason people can’t turn away from a train wreck or a car crash. The last thing Falcon need is to be affiliated with the Tetuls. Thankfully some builders would rather build motorcycles and devote themselves to real design, instead of being tv personalities and hiring third parties to make tshirts to promote design that has nothing to do with them.

  76. 76 JimC Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    LOL Bigalyts pretty much has it right. and Richard,there are more Teutul fans here than you know. I for one am happy that Falcon is getting the publicity from this mistake made by the person who approved the TShirt design-Joe P,he needs to get a different job like stocking shelves at the local resale shop.
    and no disrespect but for someone to take 2 years to build a bike and be in the business is unbelieveable. You do not stay in business if it takes 2 years to build a bike,I don’t care who you are. It would be very hard to pay the overhead of any pro shop when it takes 2 yrs to build a bike. I hope this was an exaggeration. Of course when talking about anything to do with the Teutuls usually entails the whiners,who dislike them,exaggerating the facts or reality of the situation.
    There was a time where the OCC logo/t shirt was the most stolen brand on the planet according to the FBI and I know for a fact that there were many bike shops that were printing these in their back rooms,so the Teutuls are no stranger to the misuse of someone’s brand,logo,ect. I believe that Paul Jr has been so distracted that the thought had not crossed his mind as to what was printed on the shirt. Does that make it right-of course not. The person responsible needs to look for work somewhere else. Taking someone ele’s work and making it look like yours is dishonest but I would be surprised that those of you who are talking crap about this situation have notdone something similar in the past. Like telling you did something when it was someone who worked for you who did it or copying a part because it was cheaper or faster to buy or make a knockoff of someone ele’s part or design of a part. Those in glass houses…….

  77. 77 JimC Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    wow Bigalyst,quite a statement coming from you. Most of those who whine and complain about this,if they even build a bike has built or bought a knockoff of someone else’s part in the past.which makes them a hypocrit. Does that mean that I agree with the pic being used on these shirts? of course not but I believe that Paul Jr had no knowledge of where it came from and the thought probably never crossed his mind. Does that make it right? no it doesn’t and i think Joe P needs to be working somewhere else like stocking shelves at the local resale shop.
    And 2 yrs to build a bike? No disrespect but it is hard to keep a place of business open when it takes 2 yrs to build 1 bike-I don’t care how great a bike it is. Like I said,no disrespect as it is a good lookig bike. I can not imagine what a person would or could make that it would take 2 yrs to do it. These statements above make it sound that because it took 2 yrs to build the bike then it is something to be admired and maybe it is but at the same time just because it might only take someone a couple of weeks to mock up a bike does not mean that it is something to be sneered at or demeaned.
    And as far as Teutul fans not reading this blog,I believe some of you would be surprised by the number of readers on here who actually like and applaud OCC,ect for a lot of different reasons. I have ridden the limited production bikes and I can attest to the rideability and practicality of those bikes. and just so you know,I personally do not like Paul Jr and I think it surprising that he is able to get his head through most doors. 😉

  78. 78 J Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    It says 1000 hours on website, not two years. When you look at all of the close up details it figures. Quality of the details that are admirable not the amount of time to make them, but I guess the two go hand in hand in some ways. It must be hard to run a business not cutting corners and taking that long to make one bike, but I guess that’s the point of this whole post, that it sucks that the big guy tv celebrity designer is promoting himself with the bike (without permission) of a independent builder who’s doing it for real without millions of tshirt sales, a TV studio or companies like Geico paying their way.

  79. 79 Chopperfugger Oct 3rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    A big problem here is as others have stated –

    Paul Junior Design is a startup biz that can’t even design their own T- shirt.

    This kinda makes it ALL look like a TV ruse and Paul is along for the ride.
    Did he actually design the custom grill or did someone else?

  80. 80 Junior Tee Party Oct 3rd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Only Paul Jr. affirms that it’s the mistake of another person. We don’t know. It’s possible he picked himself the bike (would not be surprised at all), thinking that in black & white, covered in part with the name of his shop, nobody will identify it clearly. And also thinking that Falcon will no dare or have the money to sue him. So, let’s go, I like the bike, I approve it, print the tees. Or his wife was named by him Clothing Line Chief Designer and told him, what do you think about this bike, my dear? And him to say, wonderful, but I don’t have the right to use it, so do it in black and try to cover it a little bit with the shop name typo. The bike has to look a little bit different from the original, like the motorcycles I build. Bang, It didn’t work. The guy can build a bike in 1 week (?) but can’t conceive a tee since his new company was created several months ago? What a talent.

  81. 81 Todd8080 Oct 3rd, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Okay, for the sake of argument let’s say that you buy Jr’s story about it being the fault of a third party. Does this third party also dress him in the morning?

    Regardless of how the shirt came to be printed and sold by Jr, he still is the one who decides what he himself will wear, and he chose to wear this shirt.

    There’s no way any bike builder could mistake a bike someone else built for one of his own. My point is, Jr had to know that wasn’t his creation yet he went ahead and posed for photos wearing the shirt. How can he blame a third party for that?

  82. 82 harleysrkewl Oct 3rd, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Who are the Tuetuls?

  83. 83 James Oct 3rd, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    i think the 3rd party mistale is complete BS. On the photo above that Cyril published he is modeling the tee front of a professional photographer to sell it on his website, then front of the cameras of TLC. No excuse. Like most people who have a lot money (that they don’t deserve) he thinks that he is above everybody else and can do whatever he wants. Funny that Jr. is suing Sr. for getting what belongs to him (shares of OCC) but is trying to make money with the work of others. Great character. .

  84. 84 Cranky Oct 3rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Senior is laughing.

  85. 85 Sad America Oct 4th, 2010 at 5:36 am

    So 84 posts within 48H for some no-hoper story relating to a cretin that has always made the whole industry look like a bunch of wankers. Why don’t you lot just ignore him and go back to fondling your silicone ?

    PS Nice work if you can get it eh Cyril.

  86. 86 chicagojohn Oct 4th, 2010 at 7:58 am

    I’ve silkscreened some t-shirts for our friends and gave them away on our rides in Colorado. There are thousands of images out there. Gotta admit it was a cool picture. But in todays world, with everyone so interconnected with electronic devices and the internet, and being on TV, that image was sure to be identified. I’m sure Paul jr had other things on his mind getting his shop up and running, then to scrutinize t-shirt designs. I’d bet his girlfriend was in charge of the clothing line.

  87. 87 Jim Watson Oct 4th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Brillant — more content for another show, complete with a great viral marketing campaign. . . Is this marketing at it’s best, or?

  88. 88 Ritchie Oct 4th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Like blaming your wife for not getting up to go to work, grow up. Never try to argue logic with someone who can’t. Hope the other guys get some dough out of this. Peace, be kul.

  89. 89 Seymour Oct 4th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    I will be selling “Paul Sucks” T-shirts, let me know if you want one.

  90. 90 Woody Oct 4th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    I can’t believe folks can try and justify this. A guy who supposedly makes a living designing new bikes, standing there in a tee shirt with his company’s name and someone else’s bike on it? If it was a mistake done without his approval, it would’ve stopped the minute he went to put on that shirt-followed by a traditional Teutul !@#$%^ tirade and a phone call that the !@#$% shirts had to come off the website. His putting on the shirt and being photographed wearing it proudly tells us it was no mistake.

  91. 91 jsdiamond Oct 4th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Vendors who make t-shirts and hats don’t know bikes or anything else that they print images of. They probably grabbed the image through google and thought it was some generic vintage twin; Paul probably thought the same thing. It looks like nice clip art. I think that Chicago John’s and Jim Watson’s posts got it right.

  92. 92 MPMcWane Oct 4th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    This is akin to a web development company having t-shirts printed up with some other design company’s website design largely displayed, or an architectural firm having shirts made with a picture of some famous building they did not develop emblazoned boldly. What a monumental embarrassment for someone who espouses himself as a “designer”. He may as well have a Harley on his shirt with his logo rolling over it. Or maybe the Google logo with Paul Jr. Designs over the top of it. Yeah.

    How about a Paul Jr. Design T-shirt with some…wait for it…Paul Jr. Design drawings on it! What a freakin’ concept!

  93. 93 Jason. Oct 4th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Paul is new to running his own business. Mistakes happen. There is no good reason to slander another business’s name by outing the “3rd party”. If he did in fact contact Falcon Motorcycles then it is between the two of them. Why bother debating it here? He apologized publicly and we have no way of knowing whether he intended to plagurize an idea or not. Whether you like his designs or not, the have been unique in the past and whether the bike building crowd wants to admit it or not Paul Jr has done a ton for drawing positive attention to our industry in the last 10 years.

  94. 94 chrism13 Oct 4th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    His ego has ruined the show along with his judgement . He builds parts bikes with dabs of bling .The painter is his saviour , he hasn’t had an original thought in many years . C’mon 3 stupid web bikes and now this thing ?! TV made this kid and his father , or they never would have made anything near what they have become .

  95. 95 stylie Oct 4th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    After seeing what is coming out of OCC these days, I have to say the talent left the building along with Jr. The Geico bike looks sick and aside from whatever corporate logo is on, Im sure most on here would love to ride it. It seems to me its probably fashionable to rip on the Tuetuls, but Id say its due to over-exposure and cliques within the community. Lots of venom on here wow! I suspect it to be a clipart issue. Paulie should have known better to have a bike on his shirt, yes. but damn… all of this hate?!

  96. 96 Rusty Knuckles Oct 4th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Leave the graphic design to a professional visual communications company that actually rides and works on their own bikes. Amazing publicity for Falcon, as they are truly creating amazing machines.

  97. 97 RUB Oct 4th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    people getting all worked up over OCC , imagine that ……………………….

  98. 98 jsdiamond Oct 4th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    I seem to recall Jesse James getting into a bit of trouble over allegedly copying a union seal for one of his variant WCC labels. Anyway… Would I be miffed over someone using my art without payment or permission? Sure. But to make amends I’d have them send me some product and link my site as a partner on theirs to swing some biz my way.

    The failure was the shirt vendor’s. They knew they were photo editing someone else’s photo. IMO this doesn’t alter Paul Jr’s cache up or down.

  99. 99 1 DWB Oct 4th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    I REALLY HOPE PAUL JR GETS HIS ASS SUED OFF OR WILL HE GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE OF WHOM HE IS ?

  100. 100 fuji Oct 4th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    ninety nine bottles of beer

  101. 101 Slantartist Oct 4th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    This guy may be just as stupid as his dad.

  102. 102 XlFbar Oct 4th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    A friend of mine had a bike shop. He had one of his first builds put in a nationally known magazine. Acouple of months later he is at Bike Week in Daytona and there is a stand selling wind chimes and other memoribilia that has his bike on it, all made in Japan. When he contacted his lawyer he was basically told he could try pursuing a lawsuit to try to get some royalties, but it would probably be a waste of time. He was more upset by the fact that someone had taken and used his design that he spent hundreds of hours of time on withoout his permission, and without giving hime credit. Now here is Paul Jr., supposedly a “designer” using someone elses design on his shirt. Being in business, I know that someone has to approve prints before they are put into production. Was that a “third party” also, And the fact that he wore the shirt and had it on his web page with him posing in it to sell it shows that he did nt care who’s design he was stealing.

  103. 103 jdixon Oct 5th, 2010 at 5:39 am

    91 jsdiamond
    “Vendors who make t-shirts and hats don’t know bikes or anything else that they print images of. They probably grabbed the image through google and thought it was some generic vintage twin; Paul probably thought the same thing. It looks like nice clip art. I think that Chicago John’s and Jim Watson’s posts got it right”….guess i’m not the only one thinking that way after all…..

  104. 104 BPD Oct 5th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    jdixon, chicago john and Jim are obviously buddies of Mr T’s. with this kind of lame display of behavior he needs them. I have a soft spot for Paulie and think he’s got it tough with his Dad and starting a new business and all that, but the ‘clip art’ excuse is laughable. I doubt that Paulie would have wanted to use something that looked ‘like a piece of clip art’ to launch his new ‘design company’, now that wouldn’t make very much sense would it? No excuse for using another builders work and selling it as your own, then promoting it as your own on your famous TV show. Now when the work you take happens to be a bike as well known and respected for its design and the work that went into it as this one, that’s a whole other story. that’s just plain disrespect and out of touch with your industry. Either which way you look at it, it’s wrong and theres no excuse. When he looked at himself in the mirror that day and saw Paul Jr Design written on a bike he didn’t design, he must have known something was wrong there but he wore it and sold it anyway.

  105. 105 Jim C Oct 5th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    HHMM,Pretty sure I stated that I did not like Paul Jr personally.

  106. 106 JG Oct 5th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Clip art is a simple term for stock imagery. Not that cartoony stuff.I just built my logo based off of a button web designer use. I bought it for $1 off of istock.com, changed it to my own. I have the graphic design skill of a four year old. I think paulie should have said whoa, that’s not my bike, but shit happens. I really REALLY don’t think he sought to go out to rip the guy off. I’m willing to let Falcon and Paul jr designs work it out on their own.

  107. 107 Irish Rose Oct 5th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    I agree with you about Falcon and PJD working it out on their own, but if Paulie didn’t know what the bike was, that indicates to me he’s out of touch with the industry. If he’s not keeping up with what others are doing, then he should either start paying attention or reconsider being in the business.

  108. 108 jdixon Oct 5th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Give me an F’n break . It’s focus of the image is the back end of a very old loking bike like a Crocker or any number of 100’s of american bike brands build (and gone ou of businessess) in america many, many years ago. This Falcon is just a play up on that same image anyways. You guys have just get over it. The only reason you’re all whining about it is just because you don’t like Paul Jr. no matter what. You think Sr. is an angel in business etc…why don;’t you all buy tons of OCC (Paul’s logo desgn) merchandise and show your love and worship for him and quit whining about it on this site…what a bunch of idiot babies….and i have other supporters of this opinion..read recent posts.
    Also, Paul is an ORIGINAL designer, he doesn’t have to keep track of what anybody else is doing in the “BIKER BUILDER” industry. He’s not a wannabe he’s doing his own thing.

  109. 109 Brad Oct 5th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    jdixon. I am speechless after reading your intelligent comment.

  110. 110 JPD Oct 5th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    jdixon you’re way out of touch buddy. You and Paul Jr need to get yo finger on the pulse.

  111. 111 Bastard in a Basket Oct 6th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    I don’t think Paul Jr. would knowingly steal some one elses design & out it on a t-shirt. I agree that there is a 3rd party invloved here. I know Jr. hired a consulting company & part of there job is too make 3rd party contacts with Vendors for jobs such as this ie.. t-shirt design & production.

    We don’t even know if he had the final say in the go ahead with the shirt, he may have entursted that to Rachel or Joe P.

    What ever the reason was wether accidental or intentional rest assured Falcon will be getting paid.

  112. 112 Rider2 Oct 6th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    111 posts on this “news”???? … get a hobby people…. Who cares if he took a picture that wasn’t his. That happens all the time. He ‘s going to sell 10,000 t-shirts out of this. Send Falcon a check for a $1000, a chocolate bar and a Paul JR Design sticker and be done with it.

  113. 113 James Oct 7th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Embarrasing mistake Paulie especially using a bike people care about.

  114. 114 Jack Oct 7th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    …and it is an ugly t-shirt. Look how high the graphic is…who wants a shirt with the graphic that close to the collar? It’s like wearing pants jacked up too high.

  115. 115 Danny Oct 7th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    I recently heard a rumor that Paul Jr`s wife Rachael and Joe Puliafico had a brief affair and that it is being kept a secret not to hurt the business. Please tell me this isn`t true. I have good friends in upstate NY who say they have seen them together on numerous occasions and she just married for the money. Supposedly she was pissed off after JR just blew off her boutique dream without caring about her feelings. Don`t want to start any rumors but this is what I have been hearing from some very reliable sources. Anyone else have some info?

  116. 116 Brent Oct 8th, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Danny. Wrong place to find out such information. Who cares? And Cyril Huze never reports on private lives.

  117. 117 jdixon Oct 8th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Another Intelligent poster:

    Bastard in a Basket
    Oct 6th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
    I don’t think Paul Jr. would knowingly steal some one elses design & out it on a t-shirt. I agree that there is a 3rd party invloved here. I know Jr. hired a consulting company & part of there job is too make 3rd party contacts with Vendors for jobs such as this ie.. t-shirt design & production.

    We don’t even know if he had the final say in the go ahead with the shirt, he may have entursted that to Rachel or Joe P.

    What ever the reason was wether accidental or intentional rest assured Falcon will be getting paid.

  118. 118 m switzer Oct 8th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Was Vinnie wearing a “Falcon-JR’ shirt in Stugis on the show last night sure looked like it?

  119. 119 Seaoxcustoms Oct 10th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    I think that he needs to get this situation taken care of. It is bs that this happened in the first place. And all of you wannabe bikers that are getting so defensive about about this saying that he is so original. You are lame. He is far from that. And have you ever rode one of those bikes. I have. They ride and handle like crap. The only thing that is original on those bikes are the paint. If you was to paint them a single color they would be nothing. I no that opinions are like a$$holes and everyone has on. But that is just mine.

  120. 120 BPD Oct 10th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Seaoxcustoms Im assuming your talking about Paul Jr’s bikes?

  121. 121 Chopperblaster Dec 11th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    It’s bush to slam Juinor like some of you guys are.

  122. 122 knukkles Jan 24th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    OCC has been sued for using artwork and printing t-shirts without permission. Their original painter on the early shows had his artwork reprinted without permission. Runs in the family, I guess.

  123. 123 jc May 22nd, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Talk about making much ado about nothing. I would have contacted PT Jr. and asked him to mention that it was my design and then thanked him for shwoing it to millions of people. Too many negative f’s in this world.
    jc

  124. 124 Crotale Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Looks like Paul Jr’s “3rd party vendor” is at it again. They have ripped my artwork for use on their Gears of War T-shirt as seen on American Chopper and sold on their website. I created the custom Gears of War 3 image as a facsimile of the official logo. I contacted Epic Games and they have stated the image is copyrighted to me. Here is my original: http://crotale.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2pmfw3 and here is the T-shirt graphic: http://pauljrdesigns.com/product/5B8/PJ-PJD1726/black/. Zoom in on both images and you will see the logo is the same. My work was created over a year ago, right after the announcement of the game.

  125. 125 Crotale Nov 12th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Here is an update to my copyrights issue with PJD. I sent a DMCA takedown notice to PJD’s webhost, who in turn sent a notice to PJD to remove the offending items from their website. PJD has fully complied, although I have received no explanation for the discrepancy. PJD has attempted to contact me but everything in my inbox was accidentally erased, so, I have no idea if they left messages for me. I returned their call, left a voicemail but have not received any return calls.

    At this point, I consider the matter to be resolved.

  126. 126 Joey Dec 8th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    I’m no fan at all of PJD whats so ever.

    But I wouldn’t be surprised if they hired a graphic designer or company to do their shirt designs.

    Then PJD looks over what designs they like and go with it. I’m sure they can’t scour the internet looking to see if the design used was actualy taken from a picture,etc… So if thats the case then yes the 3rd party is to blame.

  127. 127 fredncek Dec 8th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Falcon should be thanking Paul Jr. or whoever’s F up it may have been. He just got himself a couple hundred thousand dollars worth of FREE advertising.

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