Big Legal Win For Paul Teutul Jr. Against His Father. Can Keep 20% Of OCC.

A decision of December 14th, 2010 by the Appeals Court reversed a Lower Court’s ruling that would have forced Paul Teutul Junior to sell his 20% interest in Orange County Choppers to his father at a price to be determined by the court. For those who are interested to understand the importance of this decision for Paul Jr., let’s come back in non-lawyer terms, to each step of this family legal fight.

In 2007, Paul Sr. gave to his son a 20% minority interest in OCC. In 2008, at the same time OCC moved to its new headquarters, the company entered into an employment agreement with Paul Jr. to retain his services. After tension escalated between father and son, in Fall 2008 Junior was fired from OCC. The Discovery Channel advised both parties that the split was a breach of contract of the original signed agreement between OCC and the network (the show could not continue with only Paul Sr because losing its entertainment value).  To resolve the breach of contract,  Paul Sr. and Paul Jr. signed a new agreement on January 21, 2009 amending the former 2008 Agreement, with Paul Jr.’s status changing from being an OCC employee to independent contractor. At the same time, the agreement gave the father the option on his request at any time to purchase Paul Jr.’s 20% interest in OCC at fair market value by a procedure to be agreed as soon as practicable.

In May, 2009, Paul Sr. sent a letter to his son stating that he wanted to purchase his shares and that an appraisal he ordered proved that Paul Jr.’s 20% shares in OCC were worth 0.00 dollar. Junior refused and consequently Senior asked in court his son to agree on a procedure to value OCC shares. Jr. legal reply was that the agreement with his father was  unenforceable because it could not be a binding contract without the parties agreeing on a procedure for determine shares fair market value. At the same time Paul Jr. worried that his father was diluting OCC assets, requested that his father provide a weekly accounting of all OCC expenditures and receipts.

On April 21, 2010, the trial court decided to reject rejecting Paul Jr.’s argument that the option was not enforceable because fair market value method was not described in original agreement. Paul Jr. appealed this decision to the Appellate Division of the New York State Supreme Court.  On December 14, 2010, the Appellate Division issued a decision reversing the trial court, concluding that the Option is neither valid nor enforceable. So, Junior can keep his 20% shares of OCC as long as he wants, but must be worried that OCC assets lose value. During litigation he already  sought damages from his father for alleged self-dealing and destruction of OCC assets. Maybe, if proven, something he could use as a leverage to get a very favorable buyout of his 20% shares in OCC. The saga continues, on screen and in courts…

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57 Responses to “Big Legal Win For Paul Teutul Jr. Against His Father. Can Keep 20% Of OCC.”


  1. 1 J Dec 17th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Hey, congrats to Paul Jr, for finding a judge who wasn’t a buddy of Sr and/or his lawyers….

  2. 2 Kelley Dec 17th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Now Junior should really worry about his shares value going for good to $0.00. I hope he can get from a judge control of the OCC books, or both are going to plunge together.

  3. 3 OMG Dec 17th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Now Senior is working for the interest of Junior. Kind of funny. Except that Senior will probably not distribute dividends and exhaust all the profits with his own salary and pesonal business expenses. Amen.

  4. 4 Charles Perez Dec 17th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    20% of OCC will be worth nothing before long. It will happen as soon as the show ends, if not before.

  5. 5 Frank Dec 17th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Pathetic.

  6. 6 Henry Selz Dec 17th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Bad Karma is catching up. Fights front of the camera made them money. Fights in court will bankrupt them.

  7. 7 R. Patrick Dec 17th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    A costly win for nothing. OCC going down the tube. Lawyers won again.

  8. 8 Jeez Dec 17th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    And to who Senior is going to give his money when he is gone? Stupid.

  9. 9 Robby Dec 17th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    I am curious to know until when they are in contract with Discovery. When free, they should agree to sell all the assets, liquidate the business and go to enjoy Cayman Island.

  10. 10 Knucklehead Dec 17th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Jr. is a nothing but a punk. Does not deserve a thing. Dad Sr. did it all. The BOY is nothing but a spoiled brat. F em!

  11. 11 just my opinion Dec 17th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Jr. is right on this issue of the business being of no value. As long as the show is airing on TV the T-shirts sell along with the bicycles and lunch boxes with the OCC brand all of which are the direct result of the shop and show that Jr. helped too create and build and owns 20% of. He should recieve 20% of any and all profits. The other side of the coin is that if Sr. runs that company in to the ground by trying to keep Jr. from getting his fair share, then Jr. will be on the hook for 20% of any loses that are created. He may want to cut the loses and try to work out a number both parties can be both unhappy about and happy about at the same time. And both of these idiots should remember that family does not do this type of thing to each other. After all in the end none of this money they are fighting over will mean shit. Jr. needs to think about the fact that Sr. is getting old and who knows how long he will live and Sr. needs to think about what will be important as he nears the end of his life, not to mention the fact that Jr. could be hit by a drunk driver and killed at anytime. does he really think owning all of OCC will matter at that point, or will he more likely regret not being able to spend quality time with his sons while he still is physically capable of doing so. Sr. is still in good shape right now but anyone can look at the shows they did 5 years ago and compared to the new shows and see all of this BS is taking a toll on him. He looks like he has aged 20 years in the last 5. I would hope for both of these clowns that they wake up sooner rather than when it is too late. There is NOTHING in life more important than your family. NOTHING. Wake up boys. Life is too short to play stupid games like this. Both of these guys need too grow up.

  12. 12 alan Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    any way why we spend time about that
    who care that just a familly business

  13. 13 1550tc Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    20% of f -all is still f–all

    or jr’s 20% of occ and 5 bucks should get him a low fat latte at starf—ks

  14. 14 Chopperblaster Dec 17th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Hey man big win for Paul Jr, Sr quit trating your son like crap and pay him.

  15. 15 RoadRage Dec 17th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    You can take any side you want ! Truth be known the lawyers the marketing gurus are the winners!
    Families come first. Paul started the the company with the money, Pauly is the creative fabricator with the vision and OCC cologne is the smell ! That’s when they lost me. Just a bunch of sell outs for the mighty dollar. Stop watching the B.S. and lets ride!

  16. 16 Cantrell Dec 17th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Who watches this crap and who really cares?

    Cantrell

  17. 17 Fred Dec 17th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Jr. should have sold his shre to his pop for $1 so he can avoid being dragged into the forclosure / bankruptcy that’s headed their way.

  18. 18 nicker Dec 17th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Just my…..

    Spot on dude.

    RE:
    “…. both of these idiots should remember that family does not do this type of thing to each other…. hope these clowns that they wake… Life is too short to play stupid games like this….”

    Seems the reality of OCC is finally playing out on-the-record.

    So, now the only question is, where are all the clowns who kept telling us this was all “an act” just for TV…???
    Don’t know about you, but this sure doesn’t look like an “act” to me.

    -nicker-

  19. 19 Danny Zoom Dec 18th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    I will say 2 sides to the story Paul Sr smart, he has all the right people working for him such as legal, bookeeping. Paul Jr I think he’s going to end up short when it comes to OCC. But let’s not forget that both father and son are very very very well off (rich) So when it comes to money they both can care less about anyone

  20. 20 david Dec 18th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    i worked at greensboro airport when you guys came for victory junction and i thought you dad was a bully by the way he presented him self like he better than anyone ealse .i have quit watching him on tv because of the way he has treated you .take care and keep your head up

  21. 21 Custom softail Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:13 am

    Like half of the people on here said, who really cares. They ruined themselves and I could care less about them or the show. Once its off the air, OCC multi million dollar building will be on the auction block. The last few times I stopped in there was hardley anyone in the store, half of it was empyt (wher they were selling the choppers they made and Ducati is gone (of course) . No one ever in the shop buiding anything unless it’s for TV. Good bye to another reality show .
    Don

  22. 22 Bigalyts@aol.com Dec 18th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Nicker, that is my First thought….Where are all the Genuises that said it was an act? I know that the Show will go onIf they will agree to resign. If you Dood’s think that the Intrest and market share of the Tetul’s are done then, watch and see! I think that Father is a Jagoff and Jr. is a Putz. I also think that they have a lot to do with the Business. I know I would rather hear about what they have to say about the Motorcycles Business then most of the interviews that Cyrill has done. These OCC guy’s have their Hands on the “Heartbeat ” of the Motorcycle Business more then anyone else, except maybe Ness Sr. and Jr. Both of these Family’s are making decisions all over this Country and many Country’s all over the World. Look at all of the Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz that is directly related to OCC.

  23. 23 Hondo Cat Dec 18th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    It’s all meaningless to me. However, I agree with Knucklehead. Jr. is a lazy bum who grossly overestimates the value of his little tack-on decorations. What a parasite.

  24. 24 TBear Dec 18th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    the big question here is:
    who gives a crap????

  25. 25 olddude13 Dec 18th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    To bad there is more value in this than i give there BUILDS!

  26. 26 Hugh G Rection Dec 18th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Does anybody know what happened to Cody? He was a force at VForce Customs with Vinny, but then Vinny bailed to go with Jr’s new company. Where’d Cody go?

  27. 27 scred Dec 18th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Knucklehead and Hondo Cat are parasites who, like Paul Sr., beat their kids into fear and compliance and then try to capitalize off them in their alter years. Paul Sr., the main parasite, is their god. All total morons.

  28. 28 Tony C. Dec 19th, 2010 at 6:17 am

    This is our country in a nutshell.
    This is our society outed.
    This is greed, jealousy and competition at it’s worst.
    This is more money than either can spend and yet they fight each other for more.
    The amount of money generated by this shows the ignorance of our society.
    This all started about laziness, self worth, entitlements, recognition, power, expectations and once again, greed.

    Sr. was responsible for starting this business, the idea, the risk, and financially support was seniors alone. Jr. came in without gambling a dime but created some very unique bikes, love them or hate them they were truly original and that’s what made the show and business thrive. The bikes have become mundane without Jr. Jason Poll is an average bike designer. Sr. an average builder, neither can fabricate, neither has a unique vision.
    Together Jr. and Sr. were to be a force. Alone senior looks pathetic. Jr does not yet have the capitol What a shame. .

  29. 29 cyclereckr Dec 19th, 2010 at 6:55 am

    I don’t care one rats _ _ _ !!

  30. 30 jatinder pal Dec 19th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Sr. pay the Jr. and both should focus on their own ventures.

    They must understand that they are family and they made OCC together. Sr.should have taken a fair decision and given him part of the business,like production bikes venture,sales etc,so that he can still be part of OCC.

  31. 31 Unkl Ian Dec 19th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Some people think money is everything.
    Doesn’t matter what they say, their actions speak louder than words.

    This group just personifies the corporate mentality that has become too common.

    In the end, assets will be transferred and hidden,
    and the Lawyers will win. Everyone else will lose something.

  32. 32 1550tc Dec 19th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    This Lady summed it best and this says it all about OCC

    Cyril. Name five things you hate. Genevieve. 1- The degradation of our society through the breakdown of the family unit and the infiltration of the media and its effects on the generation of young people today.

    That pawn shop show is 10 times more fun to watch and educational than this screaming and yelling disfunctional clan along with Jr and his clutter mania theme bikes 🙂

  33. 33 Rainmaker1965 Dec 20th, 2010 at 2:47 am

    scred – Right On!!!

    Although Sr might have the guns, Jr got the brains. Maybe that’s the problem – inhalation of all those fumes working at Orange County Iron Works might have turned Sr’s brain into “scat.”

    Also, if Sr would realize we’re not living in the 70’s anymore, that people want a fresher look on their cycles, MAYBE he might learn something.

    Then again, maybe this is all a ruse. Maybe this is what THEY want – us to make such a fervor over what is done and draw lines in the sand. As long as people keep talking about OCC/PJD and Sr/Jr, it keeps BOTH their names out in the limelight and people interested in what goes on.

    Choose for your self…but I do wish that Sr would learn from his son that fresher is better. Heck, watch “Biker Buildoff,” and you’ll see lots of similar stuff as to what Jr is doing.

  34. 34 Spot's Cycle Dec 20th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    real bikers don’t really give a shit

  35. 35 dragon Dec 20th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    sound’s like a way to build up rating’s for next reason

  36. 36 Walt Lumpkin Dec 20th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Hugh G: Cody and Vinnie are still together at VForce. Saw them along with Mikey T in Ocean City, MD at Delmarva Bike Week a few months back.

  37. 37 Miltrane Dec 20th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Gotta move on from this crap… Boring show ‘n boring Sr. & Jr.

  38. 38 Hondo Cat Dec 20th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    scred, no reason to get personal unless you feel the need to habitually prove yourself because of your inherent inadaquacies.

    JR. simply needs to wipe the snot from his nose and the tears from his eyes and learn to become a man…

  39. 39 chickenpants Dec 20th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    I like how you peckerheads faithfully read anything written about OCC and then take the time to comment and say who cares.
    Me? If Cyril takes the time to write about it then I’m interested enough to read it no matter what it’s about.
    Now go buy you some more chrome jinglejangles for your black leather vest.

  40. 40 BIGDAN Dec 21st, 2010 at 6:21 am

    SERIOUSLY GUY’S HOW COULD ANYONE PUT MONEY VALUE TO FAMILLY HOW FUCKING LOW DO YOU HAVE TO GO TO LET MONEY SEPARATE FATHER AND SON THIS TO ME IS BEYOND COMPREENTION FIRST OF ALL LET ME TELL YOPU THAT ALL THIS TIME WASTED ON DISPUTE WILL NEVER GAIN BACK AND WHEN YOU DIE ALL THAT MONEY IF THERE IS ANY LEFT WILL EITHER GO TO THE GOVERNEMENT OR THE SUCESSION AND THIS BITTERNESS AND SUTIDITY ONLY GOING TO CHANGE TO SORROW THESE FUCKING IDIOT AD SOMETHING GREAT GOING ON FATHER AND SON WORKING TOGETHER NEVER THE LESS ON TV I WOULD GIVE ANYTHING TO HAVE MY DAD BACK WITH ME WITH ALL IS YELLING AND SCREEMING THAT THE ONLY WAY HE KNEW HOW TO DO THING AND I ACCEPTED THAT AND SO WHAT IF WE SCREEM AT EACH OTHER ONCE IN A WILE WE ALLWAY EACH OTHER BACK AFTER AN ARGUMENT TO SEE IF WE WHERE FIND AND GO BACK TO WORK THE NEXT DAY WAKE UP BEFORE IT’S TO LATE

  41. 41 Ron Dec 21st, 2010 at 10:49 am

    I’m glad Sr is getting reigned in. His attitude is that he created everything so it’s all his. In 1999, Sr and Jr formed OCC and Jr created that great logo. It was just a bike shop until Jr created the Spiderman bike, which got Discovery involved. Sr could never accept that Jr is an artist with all the talent and expected him to work like some grunt employee. I’ll bet Jr worked more hours than Sr ever did because the old man was never there after 5pm and spent most of his day in the gym or running personal errands. Then the fool refuses to let Vinny move up in the company, fires Jr for being 30 minutes late, turns on Mikey, trashes his sons day after day, misses his sons wedding, doesn’t reach out to Mikey when he’s in rehab, etc, etc.

    All along, he’s stealing from his son, thinking he can just excersise a buyout option with a bogus appraisal and keep anyone from seeing the books. If you read Jr’s counterclaim, the amount of theft is staggering. $100,000 of Jr’s Discovery payments, $245,000 of Jr’s share in profits, having OCC pay his home mortgage and mortgage on the Nabisco building.

    Now Jr has full access to the books and will probably end up owning OCC, Sr’s house, cars and properties. Sr is too much of a control freak and bully to be smart enough to settle this whole thing. The clown even screwed his son Danny with the steel business.

    But all of this breathed new life into the show. I can’t wait to see Sr’s mouth wrapped around those size 12’s he’s always yammering about.

  42. 42 Bob McBride Dec 22nd, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    I would like to give congrats to Paul Jr. and Mikey for living strong, and keeping they’re heads up, For too long they have been bullied and threatened, Sr. always threatening the guys jobs, And acting like he was the creative genius behind the scenes… Was Paul Jr. and the shows plummeting ratings have proved exactly that.

    Mikey is doing his art, and Jr. is doing his too… and the guys even brought back the true life of the old garage, Vinnie!!!!

  43. 43 nicker Dec 23rd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Chickenpants,

    RE:
    “…I like how you peckerheads faithfully read anything written about OCC…”

    Well, could that be because reading and commenting on-em is a Hell of a lot more entertaining than watching-em…….. ???

    -nicker-

  44. 44 Mark Dec 26th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    as a father I am disgusted at Srs actions I was watching a show where he is giving a interview to iron horse, and says every father wants his sons to fallow in there foots steps. HAY JACKASS Most fathers want there sons lives to be better than theres, who in there right mind mind would want ther son to turn out like him.lets see he is an alcholic (dry drunk I think they would call him not Sober) and he has been threw how many wives plus, after how many years of building a business that he claims is worth nothing then throw in the fact how much is being spent to win that 20% that is worth nothing, who would want a son to follow in those footsteps Paul quit talking about your son like you would a ex wife,sad part is go to any of the rallys and take a good look at guys like cyrils,jim nasi and a lot of others that are truly talented but get none of credit these guys do Nes a Union Ironworker that builds bikes from mostly parts from china then jr comes along hangs a couple do dads on them and they end up with a empire worth millions I AM CONFUSED

  45. 45 Jay Dec 26th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Paul Jr should just hang onto his 20% just for the reason that it must drive Sr absolutely insane that he can`t own 100% of his own company! Oh the psychological damage that must be doing! Its nice to see that prick get a taste of his own medicine!

  46. 46 Debbie Dec 26th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Congrats Paul Jr! I am so very Happy for you! I am truly sorry for what your family has gone through but hope all will end up great for you. You have gone through so much and I am just thrilled you and Mikey have stuck together and been close. I hand it to you my friends great job!!

    I have 6 kids and 14 grand kids and it is sad very sad how your dad always puts you down and you stand tall through it all. Awesome courage you have and respect!!! 5 thumbs up!! With our family we love watch and love your show…. Sorry SR is so mean and always putting you down,, Very sad for a father and son to deal with, but I sure watch your shows always and I have to hand it to you my friend,, your awesome!! The best of luck to you and Mikey!! I will sure pray for you dad,, he really needs prayers! God Bless!

  47. 47 Conrad Nicklus Dec 26th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Have not really read through any of this but what does this do for Jr. if the building goes into foreclosure and the company goes bust? Will he have to be involved as the company goes to court and pays any kinds of debt which they may have (if any outside of the building) ?

  48. 48 Ron Dec 26th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Sr’s backup plan is probably to buy Jr’s 20% with assets Sr stole from OCC. If Sr is dumb enough to run OCC into the ground, and is found guilty of fraud, Jr will get Sr’s house, cars, bikes and even any retirement money that was taken illegally from Paul’s 20% share.

    I think if Jr starts getting traction with his countersuit, Sr will make the best deal he can to settle the whole thing. Then the last bit of interest in the series will be gone very quickly and the series will be cancelled. Since most corporations get bike’s built for the publicity and have little reason to do so without the show, OCC will quickly be worth 10% of what it is now. Back to being just another bike shop run by Jr with Sr rocking in a chair on his porch talking to his dogs.

  49. 49 Jackie Jan 18th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    I’ve watched American Chopper for years! All I can say is thank god for DVR’s. I can still watch the show and fast forward thru all of OCC bs and just watch the JR portions. What a disgrace of a father JR and Mikey have! Another, sad, old, bitter, uneducated, pompous former drugger drunks that revert back to their natural nasty selfs when they give up the booze. I have respect for Jr because he took alot more ridicule and degrading from his father than I would have. To stand tall when you have such a disgrace for a father shows character and though he may not have always put 100% in SR’s behavior played 100% role is JR retreating. SR acts like he is the injured party, oh boo effing woo! All these reformed drunks treat people like crap and then claim they are the victim. His wife is pathetic to be married to such a dispicable man. I can not even watch anything to do with the dad, it is disgusting to watch Pool and the other leeches suck up to him. Who encourages their employeees to talk crap about their own kids, someone who is going to reap what they sow, hatred and bitterness!

  50. 50 Bigalyts@aol.com Jan 18th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    I Love this topic! The OCC Show and People. Jackie, got a lot of Feelings for Drunks that stop Drinking don’t you? You are making a lot of Judgements and you probably never watch that many Shows. It’s a great Story and a Great Show and has done very much for the V-Twin Motorcycle Market. People love the looks of what they can do with an Idea or Picture or a Dream. They do a fantatstic Job building these Bikes. I am sure that Jr. will survive and Mike will stay in Recovery, will be a great accomplishment. Maybe Mike might take Sr. to a AA Meeting and Sr. could get Recovery and turn the Shows ratings to a 2 or 3 when SR. becomes a Loving Father!

  51. 51 Daniel Jan 25th, 2011 at 1:08 am

    Now there will be the complete degradation of value of OCC’s assets. The very nature that Paul Sr. exibits and proves his destructive and vindictive ways will be the nail in everyone’s coffin. This “type” of man will stop at nothing. Nothing stops a man like this he MUST win at all cost up to and including his own survival. This wouldn’t be the first time in history a man behaved this way and lost everything and hurt multitudes in the process,,,,,,,what a BAFFOON is PAUL SR!

  52. 52 paul Jul 20th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    aside from all this court crap, on the show, Jr is trying to do straight away, what Sr does now after 20years of building the company and brand, trying to go straight to companys and ask them to pay for a bike to be built so he can profit from it. He’s forgeting that when his dad started, he was building bikes and selling them, gaining a reputation over years of hard work and quality builds. This is the reason major companys want to build a bike with OCC and be associated with the brand. Jr needs to realise that he needs to start building bikes, putting them out there and touting his product and selling them. After all, he has always said he has a different style when creating, designing and building choppers to his father. So he should use that to his advantage, start from the beginning and build to sell and make a profit and create a reputation!……if it were me (and i know nobody cares, but i’ll tell you anyway) i would have forgoting about building bikes for now, and started a company producing tools and machinary that are used to build bikes, or produce and sell actuall bike parts, ( Tyres, Frames, Brakes, Lights, Seats) that places like OCC have to buy from, then OCC and Sr would eventually become a customer!…….. Jr should get OCC to do a build for Paul Jr Designs…..there would probably be no brakes!!

  53. 53 Pissed off MOM Sep 5th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    What the hell are you people thinking….it doesn’t matter NOW what Jr. did or didn’t do while working for his father. Sr. GAVE him his 20%…why in the HELL could he NOT GIVE them back?? He didn’t BUY them to begin with, WHY should his Father–who built the company from the ground up in HIS basement to provide a better life for his children have to BUY something that was FREELY given???????? You people seem to have a built in sense of ENTITLEMENT!!! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!

  54. 54 The truth Sep 25th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    The truth is that Jr. would not be anywhere without his father. 90% of the conflicts were based on the fact that Jr. had no respect for his father, or his team members. He would show up late to work and was suffering from severe illusions of grandeur. His teammates made him successful and his father knew this.
    What would you do as a father if your son whom you counted on to show up on time, and whom you needed to play a key role in the team would act like a spoil little brat.

    Mikee was lazy and clearly outside of being a court jester had no value. His art work is child like and has no compositional or artistic value. His father is not perfect however, he has given his heart and soul to build something for his family. Jr. grow up, Mike grow up and get a job. Sr. you will have to accept the truth that your kids are bone heads and its too late to change them. Accept them for whom they are and love them because life is too short.

  55. 55 Facts Oct 25th, 2011 at 12:56 am

    It comes down to talent.
    Yes jr was late, and disrespectful to the rules of the shop.
    but was Sr. rude and abusive in his tone? hell yes.
    As far as talent? Jr has it. Sr. is very jealous of Jr’s talent.
    If nothing else,Take a look at the Cadillac contest.
    Jr. is the talent. Sr. is old school, but Jr. past him up long ago.

    Bottom line its a shame and a loss for all involved.
    and now there both rich, and both without each other.

  56. 56 choppersSUCK Oct 25th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Paulie i and Fat Mike are spoiled little brats who arent grateful for anything and should let their dad be who he is cause they wouldnt have squat if that man hadnt busted his butt to start with and 2 things theirs no creativity in those bikes their just moving pieces around and adding pieces and slapping a shiny paint job on it then calling it creative,#2 Mikes so called art work looks like the brown button in my sphincter hes just a fat lazy slob who acts stupid for laughs they used to call it a gesture now its called being an artist.

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