Alert. Motorcycle Checkpoints On Your Way To Daytona Bike Week.

From Dan Forrest, State Director of A.B.A.T.E. Georgia.

“Motorcycle Checkpoints to begin in March. As many of you know, the State of Georgia received $70,000.00 from the NSTB for Motorcycle ONLY Safety Check Points. They will stop all Motorcycles at these Check Points.

We were informed by unnamed sources that the Check Points would start in early March to coincide with the Daytona Bike Week event. Most points of entry to Florida will be involved. We are anticipating them to start March 3rd in order to take advantage of the additional flow of Motorcycle traffic thru our State. I was told that the officers conducting the safety check points have been trained in what to check for so be sure you, your paper work and your bike are in order.

We understand that this is just a way to increase revenues, so do all you can to avoid adding to the state funds. There are many who trailer into Georgia and ride into Florida from here. You may wish to change your plans and trailer on through to Florida”

Zipper's

78 Responses to “Alert. Motorcycle Checkpoints On Your Way To Daytona Bike Week.”


  1. 1 Buzz Kanter Feb 13th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    How can this be legal? Are they stopping all cars and trucks too?

  2. 2 TigerLily Feb 13th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Zion makes an excellent point about all the other checkpoints that have been tolerated. To anyone that has ever gone through any other type of checkpoint without challenging it – TSA included – take a good look in the mirror – and without the makeup on. It’s hypocritical to condemn Zion for his acceptance of motorcycle-only checkpoints when most of us have tolerated such violations on others.

    So now here we are – facing what others have faced. Now it is on our doorstep and some of us want to cry about it like little bit.ches. Get over it and take one for the rest of the team (U.S.A.). Those who would trailer to avoid this challenge are either lazy, cowards, or both. Those who would boycott are plain silly – you’re only punishing yourselves and the motorcycling industry. Do you think any main-stream group of people gives a crap about motorcyclists? Hell no.

    That’s why the BEST way to address this is to get schooled, know the law, confront this and any roadblock eyeball to eyeball, get your cameras out, don’t consent to jack squat, and file complaints when law enforcers overstep their bounds. Just because you didn’t get a ticket, doesn’t mean you can’t complain. And complaints are costly to the system. Enough of them and they will finally come to realize that violating our rights is not the answer. (In Las Vegas cops are thinking twice before signing up for these checkpoints despite the overtime because we are making it NOT WORTH THEIR WHILE to violate us.)

    Anyone who thinks checkpoints are about keeping us safer – well, just keep telling yourself that to justify your apathy. Just remember: soon, the government is going to screw YOU over with something that means something to YOU. Do you like cheesecake? Too bad, if the government can “prove” cheesecake consumption increases heart disease they’ll outlaw that next. And skinny people will be telling you to get over it cause you shouldn’t be fat. And there will be other “Zions” ready to tell you that if these invasive measures can save one life, then it’s worth a little sacrifice from the rest of us. Do you like your afternoon cocktail? There’s a whole crap-load of moralists who would love to take that away from YOU.

    This is not about getting $ for the State – the cost to conduct these checkpoints will never be recovered by issuing citations. Jail time is costly. What this is about is CONTROL OVER THE PEOPLE. That’s what it was about in Germany when the Jews were told to wear their Stars, and that’s what it’s about today in America. The sooner we come to this realization and resist in masses, the sooner they’ll back off. Alternatively, let’s just light up those ovens to cook ourselves – Lord knows we wouldn’t want to do anything to annoy those wonderful law enforcers who put their lives on the line every day to protect our civil rights and keep us safe.

    As my friend David Stilwell always says, “this could be a bummer – or an opportunity.” Do we roll over and let them win? Or do take action that will begin to have a lasting impact for our Country?

  3. 3 BadMonkeyMW Feb 13th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    RC – I watched the whole 27+ minutes of that video of that guy sticking to his guns with those idiot border patrol cowards! That guy did just what we all need to do: He knew his rights and he stuck to them no matter what. That’s a real American.

  4. 4 TigerLily Feb 14th, 2011 at 2:55 am

    @ RC – great you-tube you found, and great replies to Zion. Imagine if every law abiding citizen did what that citizen did at that Border Patrol checkpoint. One of two things would happen: legislators and judges would make it legal to make us answer questions – a serious breech of our Constitution; or these checkpoints would be dismantled.

    This is a great training vid. It takes a huge amount of gonads to stand up to the pack of armed gangsters that he faced. The difference with this scenario and a motorcycle checkpoint is that we motorcyclists will not have the benefit of the insulation that drivers have. There is nothing to keep an irritated cop from zapping us. That’s why its especially crucial to know how to respond and know how far to go to be able to go home in one piece. You can see how that citizen kept his window cracked. A border patrol agent brandished a weapon at him. Had he been on a motorcycle he might have been attacked. We need to be extra savvy to stay safe against these checkpoints; just like it takes greater skill to ride a motorcycle than to drive a car.

    I don’t know what follow-up, if any, he did. The process of complaining is a crucial one. Flooding internal affairs with complaints is much more effective than flooding legislators with letters, though of course, sending a letter is certainly better than no action at all.

    It’s ironic when leos preach about how important and dangerous their job is (like one of them on that video said). But in actuality it is more dangerous to be a law-abiding citizen that exercises their rights. LEO’s have the power to do a lot more harm to us than we have to do to them.

    Therefore, our greatest strength is that we outnumber them. Knowledge will be the power that we use to win. I hope everyone sees that video and becomes inspired and hopeful that we can beat back the tyranny peacefully, safely, and effectively.

  5. 5 Roger Feb 14th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Be aware that this is a test from the Federal government. If it is successful here in Georgia, it will be implemented further. Join ABATE, MRF or your local motorcycle rights organization to help fight these discriminatory tactics.

  6. 6 zyon Feb 14th, 2011 at 8:22 am

    LMFAO, Everything is a “Right” to you people. Riding a motorcycle on public roads without being stopped is a right? I can’t find that in the constitution or the Bill of Rights. For a fact, I drive from Eastern PA, to Orlando at least twice a year, through DC and right down 95. Been stopped once!

    I can’t wait until one of your motorcycles disappears from your garage and your engine and tranny end up on a motorcycle confiscated by one of these stops. I bet you change your tune. I’m not a complacent idiot and in fact, I’m likely more “extreme right” than most of you.

    However, in this instance, you all feel like you are singled out as the bad guy but NO ONE is looking at the other side of it. I guess I hit a few nerves when I stated that you only have something to worry about if you are doing something wrong. If they bust one person with a stolen engine or one drunk idiot on a motorcycle it’s a win for me. That doesn’t make me stupid, it makes me a parent who doesn’t wan their kid killed on the road and it makes me a motorcycle owner that doesn’t want by 88″ on someone else’s frame.

    Before you even say “but a motorcycle won’t kill someone…” yes it will and they have check points for everyone. Do they not do sobriety checkpoints all over the US? Do they not do car seat checkpoints. Hell, they do insurance checkpoints to catch scumbags without insurance.

    You all want to act like you are above everyone else and BECAUSE you ride a motorcycle, the police must leave you alone. You have a motor and wheels, expect to be a target. If the article said “We are pulling over every motorcycle just to check noise pollution” Then I would be pissed. This is just not the case with this though.

  7. 7 KSW Feb 14th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Use the http://www.officialbikeweek.com link.

    Go to the Business Guide section then click on Government Officials.

    Use their email and send them a message.

    Hope that helps.

  8. 8 Mark Pavlica Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    There is strength in numbers and it sounds like we have numbers. Are they really going to try and stop 50 bikers, 100, 200. Get together brothers and ride by and smile.

  9. 9 deadwood1783 Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Hell, they do insurance checkpoints to catch scumbags without insurance. ???? Zyon, you make freedom loving men sick. Scumbags without insurance,,,now there is a dangerous group. Meth labs all over the country, millions of illegal aliens pouring in and SOMEONE thinks it important to hassle people who ride motorcycles just because they ride motorcycles. Geeez!!! Unbelieveable!!

  10. 10 Mark Pavlica Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Hey Deadwood don’t be too hard on Zyon he is still in his fantasy world, he believes that our government does what they do because they care about us and want us to be happy. LOL

  11. 11 Hark Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    I think many are missing the point…Cyril…thank you for this update, it is an advance warning for those headed to have a good time in the Daytona Area….I can offer more advice to many of you. Why do you spend so much time in Daytona…Central Florida is a riding Heaven. Lake County and Marion County Florida have some of the best riding in the state. If you stay in Lake County you are only 60 miles from Daytona and your room rate will be around $80.00 per night..where if you stay close to Main Street Daytona you will spend hundreds per night. The money saved and the riding you will gain will make your stay a lot more fun. So many put thier bikes on a trailor and head south..they grab the closest room they can get to Main Street…when they pack up and leave they might have put 50 miles on thier bike. Get out and ride…enjoy new sites, find new roads. I highly recommend Sugar Loaf Mountain which is in the Hill Country of Lake County…Head to Astatulla on 561…then into the hills, Ranches, Orange Groves, nothing but great wide open roads.

    Hark

  12. 12 zyon Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    I think the government is full of idiots and we are going to hell quickly. Again, I am likely more rightwing than most but I can comprehend that a basic traffic stop is not the end all of your rights.

    Deadwood, have you ever been smacked by someone who doesn’t have insurance? You think the government does not have the right to force insurance but obviously you think people don’t have the social obligation to cover themselves.

    I have been hit by an uninsured idiot and it cost me a ton of money. My insurance paid for it and then jacked my rates. Do you know how much you pay each year to cover idiots who choose not to insure themselves? Likely you do not. If you did, you would think every uninsured motorist was a scumbag too, unless you are one of them. I pay to insure my cars, my property and my motorcycle (which is $1,200 a year just for the bike)

    This conversation is stupid. Every person is subject to road stops, not just guys on motorcycles. You all act like the world is against you and only you! I understand it is an infringement on your rights to privacy but you all would rather sit on some low grade blog and bitch and moan instead of acting on your passion.

    if you feel this strongly about it, pitch a tent on the side of I95 and freaking protest. Stop in washington on your way down there and speak to your representatives. Get off your ass… and stop acting like you make one bit of a difference by bitching on some blog.

  13. 13 BadMonkeyMW Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Zyon, I’m curious. Which part of Nazi Germany did your ancestors come from? You’re a sad excuse for an American and a man. Back to the herd, little sheep.

  14. 14 deadwood1783 Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Zyon. Just so we are clear. I have 4 motorcycles and all are insured. I am not just sitting here bitching either. I have contacted my elected officials and have emailed all my friends urging them to do the same. They do not stop motorcycles only at sobriety and DL checkpoints. Can you really not see the difference? This is police state crap. Pure an simple totalitarianism. “Any man who would give up one ounce of liberty for one pound of safety deserves to be neither safe nor free.”

  15. 15 just my opinion Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    There is two sides to every coin. One side of this issue is an invasion of privacy. Yes it is a pain in the ass to be stopped and asked for license and IDs But the other side is that if the cops are stopped from doing their job than the next thing you know we will have drunks driving around as they please and killing innocent drivers. So the question becomes where do we draw the line. Do we say everyone is free to do as they please even if we know that some of those idiots will get drunk or do drugs and drive resulting in the death of an innocent bystander? Or do we have laws that prevent some of those drunk driving accidents. We cannot have it both ways. Every country has laws and yes some of those laws seem to be invasive but the laws are there to prevent stupid people from doing stupid things. Common sense and experience has told the cops that some people think just because they are going to Daytona that they should start the party at home and continue that party all the way there and back. That is why the cops want to stop motorcycle riders on their way to Daytona. It is not some conspirocy to get info about riders. If you are one of those stupid people you will likely have a problem with every law. If you are one of the many people with some common sense this law may piss you off but in the end you will have to agree that even tho it is a pain in the ass it may be neccisary to stop some of the idiots that think it is their God given right to drink and drive even if the end result is the death of some one else.
    In a perfect world we would have no need for laws that allow stopping people at random, but then again if it were a perfect world people would not be getting hit by drunk drivers daily and dying as a result of the drunks and their lack of intelligents. One more thing, it sure seems funny to me how some of you get so worked up about these dui check points but will go to the airport and stand in line to be checked with no problems. Is it not the same thing? We have check points at the airport to make our flights safe so why should we allow drunks to drive down our roads free to kill other drivers?

  16. 16 DK Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    With the powert of the internet and email, no one has an excuse for not alerting the congressmen and senators from their state about this situtation. Voting as a block of one regardless of what kind of two wheels you ride is the solution. The only thing politicians respond to is the fear of not being elected again.

  17. 17 rc Feb 14th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    for your consideration/discussion:

    “Personal liberty, or the right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the Federal Constitution, and which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable rights; as sacred as the right of private property; or as occupying a preferred position as contrasted with property rights; and is regarded as inalienable.” 16 C.J.S., Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987.

    The presumed right to travel, however, is firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, “It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized.” In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that “it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, … it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all.” It is interesting to note that the Articles of Confederation had an explicit right to travel; it is now thought that the right is so fundamental that the Framers may have thought it unnecessary to include it in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

    The U.S. Supreme Court also dealt with the right to travel in the case of Saenz v. Roe, 526 U.S. 489 (1999). In that case, Justice John Paul Stevens, writing for the majority, held that the United States Constitution protected three separate aspects of the right to travel among the states: the right to enter one state and leave another, the right to be treated as a welcome visitor rather than a hostile stranger (protected by the “privileges and immunities” clause in Article IV, § 2), and (for those who become permanent residents of a state) the right to be treated equally to native born citizens (this is protected by the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause).

    (NOTE 1 this does not included trucks that are conducting commerce over publicly paid for roadways. As the taxpayer must pay for the upkeep of the roads those engaged in interstate commerce are obliged to pay their share)

    (NOTE 2 the right of a citizen to freely enter or leave any state is prohibited. Therefor an argument can be made that a checkpoint to detain persons from crossing a state border could be argued in court. Keep in mind this would not apply to vehicles engaged in commerce)

    The Supreme Court also held that individuals in automobiles have a reduced expectation of privacy, because vehicles generally do not serve as residences or repositories of personal effects. Vehicles may not be randomly stopped and searched; there must be probable cause or reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.

    The government may not detain an individual even momentarily without reasonable and articulable suspicion, with a few exceptions.
    Where society’s need is great and no other effective means of meeting the need is available, and intrusion on people’s privacy is minimal, checkpoints toward that end may briefly detain motorists. In Michigan v. Sitz 496 U.S. 444 (1990), the Supreme Court allowed discretionless sobriety checkpoints. In United States v. Martinez-Fuerte 428 U.S. 543 (1976), the Supreme Court allowed discretionless immigration checkpoints. In Illinois v. Lidster 540 U.S. 419 (2004), the Supreme Court allowed focused informational checkpoints. However, discretionary checkpoints or general crime-fighting checkpoints are not allowed.[

    (NOTE, here one would have to ask, if it is a “sobriety check point” why are not all vehicles stopped)
    (Note informational checkpoint: The stop’s primary law enforcement purpose was not to determine whether a vehicle’s occupants were committing a crime, but to ask vehicle occupants, as members of the public, for their help in providing information about a crime in all likelihood committed by others)

    Profiling and discrimination are also problems the TSA runs up against. So we can assume, but don’t bet your ass on it,

    That any stop involving motorcycles only
    Any stop involving individuals wearing “Biker Gear” only
    could be profiling and/or discriminatory
    and it would be an us against them scenario

    However if they stop random motorcyclists
    Then it is individual against them.

    Profiling is against the in Florida, Check Ga. statute
    Most state laws will not apply here as these are constitutional questions

    As we all know, fourth amendment rights have been almost destroyed over the years.
    That does not mean we do not continue to fight for them.

    legally a group with signs should be able to assemble and protest as long as they do not interfere with the officer
    Persons stationed at exits ahead of identified checkpoints could hold warning signs

    either/or I can find no evidence that motorcycle only check points only are not singling out one segment of the population
    which I beleive would be unconstitutional.

    But then I am not an attorney

    rc

  18. 18 Switch Feb 14th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Just a higher class version of ripping off the tourists. Lived in southeast GA for 3 yrs. while in the Navy in the late ’60’s. No freeways in GA @ that time. They stopped @ the north and south borders so the economies of the small towns wouldn’t go to hell. I had out of state plates for a while. Wised up after meeting all the Justice of Peace along US 17.”Do I get a ticket and go on my way, Sir?” ” No sir, just procede to the JP’s house down the road here. That’s me in your mirror sir.” Remember to say “Sir” back and carry CASH. Only place I’ve been in jail.(No cash) Only place I was broadsided at an intersection where I had the right of way (really!) and had it be my fault. I was informed of this @ my home by the ladies husband – a state senator. No insurance money that time.

  19. 19 TigerLily Feb 14th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    The idea that law enforcers will not use this motorcycle-only checkpoint as a means to gather data is wrong. I saw with my own eyes the unlawful detainment of motorcyclists who were WALKING. The only reason they were being detained is because the law enforcers did not recognize their patch. Here’s that story – see the pics at the end and I have audio to support my interviews with the law enforcers involved. Caught them RED HANDED! http://tigerlilsblog.blogspot.com/2010_11_01_archive.html

  20. 20 TigerLily Feb 14th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Patrolling the old fashioned way is 3 times more productive than via checkpoints. Checkpoints are NOT about safety, they are very costly, inefficient, and it’s serve to domination government over We the People and it is a dog and pony show to make people “feel” safe.

    “Out of the 1,637 vehicles that were screened, 45 were sent to a secondary screening. There were no arrests for DUIs at the checkpoint, but a motorist elsewhere was arrested for DUI by a roving unit. One driver was cited and released for being in possession of marijuana, 21 vehicles were impounded, five drivers had suspended licenses and 16 drivers did not have a driver’s license.”

    LYNDSAY WINKLEY – lwinkley@nctimes.com, North County Times – The Californian

    http://www.drivinglaws.org/feed-item/breaking-car-window-dui-checkpoint-escondido-san-diego-county-driver-does-comply-cops-deman

  21. 21 ROGUE Feb 15th, 2011 at 7:10 am

    RC posted some detailed information on his site I am sure all will find interesting,
    http://www.bigbendbikersforfreedom.com/2011/02/p-margin-bottom-0.html

  22. 22 Richard Landry Feb 15th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    They can’t cover every road. A need to find out where they will be and then ride around the check point like the truckers do or at least did. Possibly Rte 1 or 41 would be clear.

  23. 23 deadwood1783 Feb 15th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    So,,,,are you suggesting we should have to hide in our own country? Not because we are criminals but because we ride motorcycles and do not wish to submit to an Authoritarian government run amock.

  24. 24 rc Feb 15th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    “They can’t cover every road. A need to find out where they will be and then ride around the check point like the truckers do or at least did. Possibly Rte 1 or 41 would be clear.”

    Deadwood nails it. The reason the government can now be so blatant with rights violations is because for to long we have not confronted them.

    Our government has a history of ignoring us until confronted with their abuses.
    Civil rights
    Womans suffrage
    getting out of vietnam
    Tea party

    Whether one agrees with any of the above social movements or not, I would be willing to bet people hitting the streets has created more change than any letter to a representative

    A recent comment let on my site:

    have never owned a bike in my life, but support the free and unfettered libety of those that do. It has been a right of man ALWAYS to travel unmolested from the day of birth. It was first put into law in 1279 in the Magna Carta and isw still on the books. It was continued with our 4th and 5th Amendments, the Bill of Rights. Without freedom and liberty there is no security.

    This person gets it!

    Hopefully, if ABATE of Georgia is unsuccessful at helping legislators see the light we can get dates times and locations. Filming of these stops would be imperative to insure that other rights are not violated.

    rc
    http://www.bigbendbikersforfreedom.com/

  25. 25 Hark Feb 21st, 2011 at 8:54 am

    The Biggest Laugh I get out of Bike Week Is This…SIGNS HANGING SAYING {BIKERS WELCOME} The next thing you see when you walk into a bar….NO COLORS ALLOWED. Cracks me up everytime. It is the same nearly everywhere you go, nearly every bike event is the same…Except One…Leesburg Bikefest in early April. Last year nearly 300,000 attended. This event has grown into the largest 3 day motorcycle event in the world. Lake County Florida is about as biker a friendly area as you will ever find.

    Hark

  26. 26 Poppymann Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Here’s my question. I chopped my signals and I passed inspection.
    It’s not required in my state. If I go to another state, they can’t enforse their “safety” crap can they?

  27. 27 kdiddy707 Mar 9th, 2011 at 2:39 am

    People like zyon are the reason we’re all so screwed. The right to free travel IS constitutionally guaranteed. BTW nobody wants your POS 88″ and if they did they could just take it because you probably don’t believe in property rights, the right to self protection, or the right to bear arms. I fully support your right to say what you like here although spreading your sheep mentality threatens my right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

  28. 28 Driver Nov 4th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    The ignorance on here is unbelievable. If you are doing nothing illegal, then there should be no problems. On the other hand, if you are doing something illegal, for example carrying drugs on your bike or obstructing with law enforcement, you can kiss all your rights good bye (except maybe your miranda rights). Maybe I should inform you, since I frequently take horses in and out of Florida, that the agricultural checkpoint’s purpose is to only check that you have the necessary documents for bringing your horse in the state. It’s a matter of controlling disease, not invading privacy. And trust me, you can wait for days, but they won’t let you through if you don’t have the papers. As for the bike inspections, who knows the real reason for it, but it sounds truly like they are just going to look at license, registration, possibly proof of insurance, and just generally working order. How exactly is that an invasion of privacy? Those are required by LAW. Go ahead and boycott the state if you disagree. We certainly don’t need more idiots down here!

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