Hoka Hey Challenge Or Joke A Hey Race?

Saturday October 9, 2011. At the awards ceremony organized at Chester’s Harley-Davidson in Mesa, Arizona, Hoka Hey organizer Jim Durham declared that none of the top 11 riders who finished within the allotted time would receive any money! Will Barclay was again on August 5th, like in 2010, the first one to cross the finish line of the Hoka Hey 2011, and was considered until 2 days ago the repeat winner of the riding challenge event. He was supposed to receive $250,000 with the following 24 winners also sharing another $250,000. But rules of the Hoka Hey requires that the winner(s) goes for  post winning testings. Among others: a check of the motorcycle(s ) for mechanical fitness (what does it mean?), a drug screening test to detect any use of illegal performance enhancements, a lie detector polygraph test, etc.

In Arizona at the awards ceremony, Jim Durham stated. “Because of the fact that the 2010 event did not utilize US Fleet Tracking to obtain information about the rider’s speeds and location, the Organizers had to rely on local law enforcement as the primary mean of enforcing speeding violations. This year, the Hoka Hey went high tech and utilized GPS tracking devices to monitor the riders to insure compliance with the prescribed route of navigation and speed. In this 2011 event, the specific information provided by US Fleet Tracking about the 11 contenders could not be ignored by the Organizers of the Challenge. After the final validation had been completed, even though the 11 riders who finished within the allotted time frame have accomplished something that no other rider on earth has done, they could not be awarded prize money.”

Well, Jim Durham would have proof that all 11 riders would have sped. By the GPS tracking device? Possible, but something that some riders seem to be ready to challenge. A question is also raised: is it possible to anyone, not speeding, to finish the challenge in the allotted time? And the one question that many ask since Hoka Hey’s 1st edition. Is this kind of event very dangerous, an illegal road race because for money gain riders will always have a strong tendency to speed and to push themselves, without enough sleep, beyond their physical abilities? I also hear, although I could not get direct confirmation from Will Barclay himself (his website email doesn’t seem to work), that Jim Durham would now think that Will Barclay not only cheated in 2011 but also in 2010, and may seek remedy by asking a refund of the $500,000 prize money the winner would have received at the 2010 awards ceremony. The top 11 finishers also wonder why they were asked by Jim Durham to travel to Arizona to what they thought was an award ceremony for them when the organizer knew in advance that he would declare them all disqualified!

As you all know, the 2010 Hoka Hey Challenge was extremely controversial with participants being killed and injured, promises not kept, rules changed during and after the event, public contradictary statements by organizer Jim Durham, etc . The 2011 edition was a very different event, with rules changed several times before the event got started and until Harley-Davidson eventually became a sponsor, taking only for responsibility to give awards (in exchange with getting from the organization each stage stop at one of its dealerships), but declining any liability related to the riding challenge. No doubt that the controversy about the Hoka Hey event, its principle, its organizer, its rules and regulations and the way they are applied, is going to continue. By the way, who keeps the non-distributed awards money? I am pretty sure that Jim durham will promise to add  it to the 2012 challenge awards… (to follow)

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200 Responses to “Hoka Hey Challenge Or Joke A Hey Race?”


  1. 1 FXRocket Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Joke A Hey Race!!!!…

  2. 2 Kirkpatrick. Oct 9th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    GPS was tracking position, or speed, or both? How often? It would take a few months to check all riders speed each second of their cross country trip. I think that the solution is simple. Boycott this event. I really think it’s a joke made to enrich Jim Durham Red Cloud Full Of Smoke.

  3. 3 Donnie Oct 9th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    If they were speeding and if the organizer knew in real time via GPS, why the organizer didn’t stop and eliminate them? Why to let them speed during 10,000 miles. So, it’s a race, Jim Durham knows it, says nothing, and 2 months later invite the 11 top finishers to the awards ceremony to tell them that they are disqualified? Something very fishy again. I smell 11 lawsuits.

  4. 4 Shifter Oct 9th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Who or what is going to prevent this dude to organize what is obviously an illegal road race?

  5. 5 Jeff Cuningham Oct 9th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    Will Barclay is a cheater? In 2011? In 2010? From the mouth of Jim Dark Cloud Too funny.

  6. 6 Paul Asher Oct 10th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    I guess another Indian trick.

  7. 7 Irish Rose Oct 10th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Something tells me that this will be the last Hoka Hey Challenge.

  8. 8 bigitch Oct 10th, 2011 at 2:06 am

    use your gps or garmin/magellen/tom tom lately. it has a speed indicator on it that tells you how fast you are going by measuring the distance between two points in a straight line.
    but as you go thru curves the distance id shorter , ergo it shows you are going faster, i.e. speeding!

  9. 9 chopmonster66 Oct 10th, 2011 at 5:58 am

    what a joke this race is !!!!! sounds like this durham guy did not want any one to wiw from the get go… he sounds like a pail of crap to me.. cogrates to the 11 people that finished this challange , great job !!

  10. 10 Brett Oct 10th, 2011 at 6:27 am

    This was a major joke in 2010 & even more so in 2011. It won’t be around. 2 years of nonsense & not as much pub this year as the 1st. Prize money cut in half & sounds like no one ever got any.

    Good Bye Hokie Hey

  11. 11 FLT Drake Oct 10th, 2011 at 7:04 am

    It would mean that Jim Durham knows what is the speed limit for each mile of the 10,000 miles and was able to compare with the speed of each rider on each mile of the ride? Highly improbable.

  12. 12 Kemper Oct 10th, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Jim Red Cloud strategy. Tell riders that they are real men, true warriors, boost their egos as much as possible. Add some Indian vodoo, take their registration money, screw them all at the end. I hope that those who have participated know that this guy is in it only for the money and doesn’t care about any of them.

  13. 13 Boss Hawg Oct 10th, 2011 at 7:16 am

    It has always been a road race…no other definition fits.

    Someone needs to two-tap this POS.

    .Boss Hawg

  14. 14 Englishman Oct 10th, 2011 at 7:44 am

    I bet the guys at Harley-Davidson® that thought it was a good idea to co sponsor this race are trying to find a corner of the carpet to sweep this under.

    At least the Stampede touts itself as being an illegal road race, which is why nobody can sponsor it except the riders themselves.

  15. 15 Rick Lossner Oct 10th, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Felt this was a joke from the very beginning…seemed like there was no word of it anywhere… and with HD as a sponsor, didn’t it keep out other brands of bikes ( I recall reading that somewhere)..

    If I was one of those participants, I’d have a good lawyer right now…………

  16. 16 2010 HHC Rider Oct 10th, 2011 at 8:24 am

    I think it sucks no one wins anything but it is clearly stated in the rules that all vehicle and traffic laws had to be adhered to. A simple to read but not so simple task to accomplish. Impossible to monitor in 2010 but not 2011. 2010 was a free for all from my experience but with the addition of the tracking devices, one can easily tell who is and who is not speeding. The speeds were actually listed for the first day or two while US Fleet Tracking worked out the bugs in the rider displays shown to the public. There is more to it than speeding, there was a missed checkpoint in Georgia. Next year’s will happen and once again, I will throw a leg over my seat and enjoy the ride.

  17. 17 HDrider146 Oct 10th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    NOTE: Will Barclay was disqualified for issues with the polygraph tests. He was asked to retake the test 3 times and refuesed. Will has been banned from competing in any future events. The other 10 riders after a joint meeting with organizers agreed to each get $10,000 to cover the expenses of the ride. (I saw the check of a competitor at the rally). They all were speeding….but the rule was if you got a ticket you were disqualified. The organizers gave directions that were incorrect and that has been verified, the route was not pre-road as stated and they have admitted that the entrees and sponsor support did not cover the winnings and expenses to run the event…..so where is the $400,000 left that was to be paid out. You think these 11 guys are mad? Looks like Red Cloud and the organizers made out on this one! Congrads to the 11!

  18. 18 Larry R Oct 10th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    AND!!!

  19. 19 Tommy Oct 10th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Announcing prizes and cash money that you can’t pay = fraud. The cash money must be put in an escrow account before the event starts. It’s the law. After expenses there is not enough money? How much is the expense Jim + Beth Durham. Will somebody force these 2 clowns to show their Indian Land Trust bookkeeping? It would be interesting and could lead to disclosures putting an end to this illegal race.

  20. 20 Prez Oct 10th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    SCAM?

  21. 21 reyn mansson Oct 10th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Beth Durham came to the HD dealer where I was marketing director last Spring. The proposal simply did not add up and with the history of the previous year’s event, I declined to get involved. I smelled a fraud and look what we have here now.

    You know where I followed the news about Hoka Hey and why I welll-informed was not a sucker? I read Cyril Huze Blog which covered the story and tried to warn the MC industry about Red Cloud.

    The worst part of this is that burned sponsors and participants will shy away from legitimate events.
    http://www.ironbutt.com/ibr/default.cfm

  22. 22 Matt Oct 10th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    While I was already convinced that Harley bought off the Hoka Hey this year to utilize it as a marketing PR tool (Banning all other brands from participating and filming a documentary and commercials around it). This latest controversy even further dissolves the credibility of this race and the people that run it. Truly a shame! =(

  23. 23 2011 HHC Oct 10th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    They should return all the money, if there are no winners.

  24. 24 Rebecca Oct 10th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    What a bunch of BS. One of my very good friends “officially” finished in the top 10. We tracked his every move on the GPS site they provided and met him in Sturgis and others met him in New Hamphshire. Rob did the ride by the numbers. In addition, Beth and Jim “hired” me as a consultant for over a month right after the 2009 Hoka Hey Challenge. I never saw a dime of what I should have been paid, TOTAL scam artists! I feel for those who rode this, it was an incredible MIND and physical F!@#K. Beth, Jim and Will should be criminally investigated and sent to jail.

  25. 25 Jim Centra Oct 10th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    In 2010 Cyril honestly and factually reported on the Hoka Hey and Jim Durham. He said many things that were never challenged by anyone, including the organizers. How come some people decided to participate to the 2011 edition? This illegal race must be forbidden and its organizers Jim & Beth Durham should be seriously investigated by law enforcement. I spent one hour on their Hoka Hey Facebook page. I observed that all posted critics are immediately deleted by the duo. It says a lot.

  26. 26 Jeff Nicklus Oct 10th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    It wouldn’t surprise me if someday searchers will need to use a GPS to find Jim Durhan …. if you know what I mean? I agree with Boss.

    Over & Out,

    Jeff

  27. 27 Brian Oct 10th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Jeff. LOL.

  28. 28 Toby Oct 10th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    That the MoCo was in any way involved in this is stunning. HD’s legal and PR departments are probably scrambling to warn off dealerships from participating in these kinds of events. Even at posted speed limits the even is dangerous (lack of sleep). Dumb for HD to be even a peripheral sponsor of this event.

    Footnote: In my previous incarnation I worked in traffic engineering. I can tell you that 100% of drivers violate some traffic law every time they drive. Most common: changing lanes less than 100′ before an intersection (or in an intersection), rolling stops at a stop sign (you know WE all do that on bikes), failure to signal a lane change. In short, these clowns could monitor all the participants over the last five miles of the race and find at lease on infraction thus disqualifying them. Scam.

  29. 29 biker Oct 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    This has always been a F-ing JOKE

  30. 30 P. Grossman Oct 10th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    The Harley person who decided to give if only one gift certificate for this event should be fired immediately. .

  31. 31 Jeri Oct 10th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Cyril, Thank you so much for allowing me the opportunity to participate in your blog. I am so thankful that NOW you see the truth about the HHMRACE. It has, again turned into a huge joke in 2011. I thank God that there were no lives lost and no serious injuries. For those wondering, the wife of one of the lost riders in 2010 is struggling to survive without her loved one and we continue to pray for her. I feel a bit vindicated after all the nasty accusations made about me in 2010. I was never responsible for the lose of lives in that RACE. Our group, Anti Hoka Hey has continued to follow and hopefully been instrumental in deterring many from participating this year. I would say that the number of riders was far less, thus affecting the $$ awarded. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that JD has, once again buffaloed a few good men out of their hard earned $$. God bless all that rode and know that you are respected by all of us that continue to stand against Redclown and his fake little wife, Beth. I would recommend to anyone that is interested to file a formal complaint with the Attorney General in SD and AZ. Formal complaints this year may constitute a pattern of fraud and that is what the AG in both states need to pursue a case. As for Will…..sorry dude…..now you get it? Can’t scam a scam…..until next time……Joka Hey! lol

  32. 32 Mr. Potts Oct 10th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    How does Durham keep getting away with this? Bringing all the competitors to Arizona just to tell them that everyone is disquilified is just a no class way of conducting business. It’s time bikers take care of this problem so it doesn’t happen in the future.

  33. 33 Hoaxis pokas my ass! Oct 10th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Thank you cyril for NOT referring to that clown as Red Cloud! His name is D-U-R-H-A-M and WAS NEVER KIN-FOLK of the SIOUX-LAKOTA-NATIVE ANCESTRY! HE MAKES GOOD NATIVE PEOPLE LOOK BAD AND WE WILL CERTAINLY HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOILING MY FAMILIES GOOD NAME! God bless those who were hurt and lost their lives because of these S-C-U-M-B-A-G-S and god bless those who had the guts and determination to perservere this race! May the wrath of GOD ALMIGHTY STRIKE THESE EVIL SCAMMING S-C-U-M-B-A-G-S when they least suspect it!

    Signed…..Pale Rider Black Horse

  34. 34 Jeffrey Oct 10th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Jim and Beth Durham. Are you ready to take a lie detector test administered by a FBI agent, like you did last year for Will Barclay? We have quite a few questions for you.

  35. 35 AntiJOB Oct 10th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Jeri… A year later and you are still a loon. You are trying to get others to file complaints in the hopes that it will help you in your personal crusade. Must be the FL atty gen office told you to stop bothering them and go away. Remember, you supposedly heard all the “lies” at the riders meeting and then chose to continue your participation anyway. You are done with this event so be done with it and go away.

  36. 36 Jeri Oct 10th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    lol @ AntiJOB……GET A JOB! lol…..no worries dude….haven’t and still not going anywhere….you are invisible to me! blessings,

  37. 37 Dave Blevins Oct 10th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Why would anyone even think about being involved as a participant or sponsor after last year’s fiasco?

  38. 38 Hoaxis pokas my ass! Oct 10th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    @ Antijob……I’m guessing you are red clown once again hiding behind a key board launching your drivel towards a HONEST and RESPECTFUL woman who like many…..were blatantly LIED TO ALL THE WAY TO THE DAY THEY WERE TO LEAVE KEY WEST! I’M ALSO GUESSING SHE HAS MORE INTESTIONAL FORTITUDE IN HER LITTLE FINGER THAN YOU DO IN YOUR ENTIRE ANCESTORIAL FAMILY DATING BACK TO ADAM AND EVE! I DON’T USUALLY TALK FOR OTHER PEOPLE, BUT IN THIS CASE….ALL I WANT TO SAY IS B-L-O-W ME DURHAM!

  39. 39 David Oct 10th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Have you ever heard that old saying “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result”. Anyone riding or particapating in this event and expecting a different result is STUPID and INSANE.
    Trick me once shame on you…Trick me twice shame on me…Trick me three times….Double Tap !

    SSDD;David

  40. 40 bigitch Oct 10th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    ATTENTION! ALL RIDERS
    sign up now for the 2012 Hoka Hey motorcycle race around America.
    Big cash prizes.
    i no cheat you this time…really…trust me.
    XOXOXO
    Jim

  41. 41 macawsj Oct 10th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    I am reading a lot of disgruntled and excellent comments. James Gregory Durham has perpetrated scam after scam after scam. I have no clue how he continues to get away with it. (maybe one of the devil’s spawn is watching over him)
    He has learned more finesse with each scam since the blundering mess he made with “The Great White Buffalo Caper”.
    Jeri is not alone, but has been instrumental with trying to get the legal authorities to check out the Durhams.
    AntiJOB sounds like the writing style of ‘Beth’ to me. So if Jim and/or Beth are reading this: “We said that we would be watching forever and we mean it!”

  42. 42 john reed Oct 10th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    screw me once shame on you.
    screw me twice shame on me

  43. 43 jsdiamond Oct 10th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Polygraph exams do not detect lies. And a race doesn’t include safety inspections after the fact or drug testing or adhering to a speed limit. Otherwise, why should it matter if you’re in the top ten? There’s no racing in this so-called event; it’s more like an illegal lottery wrapped in some pseudo-spiritual b.s. about being “blessed by a shaman and hey I’m one-eighth Cherokee and a biker” or however the story went back in 2009. Hundreds of bad stories vs. a few pro-Hoka goons who post threats they can’t back up = Nothing legitimate in the Hoka Hey or its promoters.

    You want to get even? Sue them. Or get photos of these people to every major event and banish them; never regard them; never serve them; don’t even sell them a beer at Sturgis, or any other event they show up at.

    You know what the opposite of love is? It isn’t hate –it’s indifference. Make them not matter.

  44. 44 Johny Oct 10th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    So if the GPS tracking shows that everybody is speeding, why don’t these guys take legal action, produce the GPS results front of a judge as evidence that it’s a disguised illegal race. A judge will forever ban this event because to promise big money for winning a 100,000 miles ride is evidently encouraging people to break the law.

  45. 45 Max Glide Oct 10th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Proof that the 2010 event was also an illegal race. So Will Barclay broke the law more than the others and was not caught by police? What is his brand of radar detector?

  46. 46 1550tc Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Why would anyone even think about being involved as a participant or sponsor after last year’s fiasco?

    What did PT Barnum say???

  47. 47 John White Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Date correction:

    The Hoka Hey has a future. Don’t count out Jim Red Cloud yet. NASCAR’s beginnings were a bit off too. It would seem after reading this that it would be impossible to think a 2012 Hoka Hey can happen. However, this and more was said about Jim Red Cloud after the 2010 HHC and he still pulled it off. How many folks raced in that race this year?

  48. 48 Unkl Ian Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    The ONLY thing surprising, is that some people
    were surprised at how this turned out.

    Durham is a hustler and con artist.

    Plain and simple.

  49. 49 Rider2 Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Why is everybody surprised of this? The “presentation” lasted 10 minutes in the middle of roughly 500 people at this open house who couldn’t care less about what was said. Everybody knows the entire thing was all bogus from day 1. If not, sponsors including HD would have lined up to be part of it. The website looks like it was designed by a 10 year old kid, the communication sucked from day 1 and of course nobody got paid anything (winner or not). It’s amazing that people are not going to jail over this.

  50. 50 martin Twofeather Oct 10th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Paul Asher I don’t think any Native American me encluded would find your comment funny,so do me a favor and refrain from the jokes and Indian tricks…As for Hoka Hey it will fall by the wayside like like every bad idea ever made and the only one that will get anything out of it will be Jim…..So find another worthy cause like breast cancer etc. to put your time and money into………

  51. 51 Wally Oct 10th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    @Rider2…People need to file formal complaints or no one will go to jail.

  52. 52 Wally Oct 10th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Hey John White….I read that Jim Durham is suing you over the Guts and Glory. What can you tell us about this? http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2011/04/21/the-guts-and-glory-challenge-postponed-or-canceled/

  53. 53 Rider2 Oct 10th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    @Wally… well, if they don’t, bitching on a blog won’t really do anybody any good.

    Here we go again, the name John White comes back with more stuff… one day it’s Indian/Victory the day after it’s Hoka Hey…. man… this stuff should be on TV… you guys have enough material for a pretty cool reality show about the “bad boys” of the motorcycle industry.

  54. 54 Jeri Oct 10th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Thank you Wally! I filed in 2010 and the SD AG closed the case stating that they look for a pattern of fraud. I’d say that the more complaints they get the closer we are to holding Jimmy and Beth accountable. I encouraged them with all the info we had to turn everything over to the State Attorney for criminal prosecution. Illegal road race…..The sign on the side of their truck in 2010 read “The Last Great Motorcycle RACE.” Just sayin’……And JW…what the????? Are you serious? lol….I can’t even address you….just speechless!!!

  55. 55 John White Oct 10th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Wally,

    No, Jim Red Cloud is not suing us. There is no venue, there is no case number. He sent us a letter with his concerns. As you know, I am not one to back down. That being said I read his concerns. He and Robert Swope were much more involved with each other than I was aware of. Robert worked for the HHC and was fired just before the event started in Key West. There is some real bad blood between Robert and Jim. Jim says Robert made movie promises and Robert says Jim refused to pay him. I think the truth is in the middle.

    Jim did not like the Guts and Glory’s version of being able to gain points back by sleeping in a tent which he felt was much like Hoka Hey’s rules that you must sleep next to your bike. Jim listed many other aspects of the HHC that he felt were his IP. I could see his points.

    He wanted us to delay Guts and Glory so that our event would not have an adverse effect on his Hoka Hey. He also felt that Robert Swope had copied his route across the USA. The route was pretty similar. Jim just had too many good points for me to ignore.

    Robert was furious and did not agree with Jim’s claims. I felt it would be fine if we delay and try to come to common ground. Robert and Jim have been going at each other and a lot of this conflict started between them long before I came along.

    I pushed for a delay. My biggest concern was that when I participated in the HHC in 2010 I signed an agreement as part of my entry requirements. In that agreement it says I cannot come up with my own race with similar components. Everyone that raced in the HHC signed the same agreement.

    Jim and I could fight all day long about how the G&G was a timed rally and the HHC is a free-for-all but Jim had me by the nuts when I signed that entry agreement.

    Besides, Jim’s points were valid enough for me to listen to him and so I pushed for the delay. Jim and Robert can fight it out. I am a 45% shareholder of G&G, soon to be 50% because Dale wants out. I sold him 5% early on and he wants me to buy it back so I agreed.

    Who knows what is in the future. Like many have said on this blog, John White has no experience running a motorcycle rally. This is very true. However, my role was to help fund it. I had some ideas but in truth they had too many elements of the HHC so I think we did the right thing to delay it until things get worked out. Robert refunded all the riders.

    No one is suing anyone. I told Jim that I agreed with some of his complaints. Now that the HHC is over perhaps Robert Swope and Jim Red Cloud will work out the differences and Robert can have his G&G. Meanwhile my shares are up for sale. Robert wants to buy them and if he can match the funds I put into it then he is welcome to own 100% of Guts and Glory.

    My thoughts were to see if Jim Red Cloud would let me take over the HHC and try to fix it……….OK am just joking!

    Thanks for the question and I hope I answered it clearly.

    John L. White

  56. 56 Hoaxis pokas my ass! Oct 10th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    This just in….
    Jim Durham and Bernie Madoff are partners for their next scam…..er….race to the artic circle!

    The fee to enter thge race will be $1,000,000 a person and once again you will have to sleep by your horse (sheesh! how phony can JD be? a H-D referred to as a horse? C’mon people! grow a freaking brain!)!

    First one there without freezing solid wins!

    The race will only be 3 days with 20,000 miles to be ridden!

    It can easily be ridden if you adhere to 45 M.P.H.

    Just send your money to the medicine circus clown show trust fund to enter!

    SUCKERS!!!!

  57. 57 Hoaxis pokas my ass! Oct 10th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    To all the “warriors” who need to feel like a man…

    Just send me your $1000 and I will send you a brass plaque with the inscription of “WORLDS MOST BADDEST ASS BIKER BOY” ON IT!

    There ya have it!

    You won’t even have to roll your bike out of the garage!

    You will be the envy of all your Pabst Blue Ribbon redneck biker buddies who come over to your “bad ass biker pad” where you can all take turns rubbing the plaque on your genitals as foreplay and a prelude to your gay white trash trailer park escapades!

    I will have your money….

    You will have your “badass” plaque…

    EVERYBODY will be happy!

  58. 58 James Fuller Oct 10th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Thanks God (Cyril!) for letting us express our feelings about this event. Quite a shame that bikers participating to this race believe that they are men because Jim Durham tells them so. Be real men, don’t participate to any motorcycle venture organized by a non biker-thinking only about his financial interest and who doesn’t care about your safety. I am not at all convinced that anyone could finish on time without breaking the law by speeding all along the way. A good way for never giving any promised prize money. If there is a series of scams committed by JD, it would be the 1st one.

  59. 59 Dakota Bill Oct 10th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Nobody can win the HHC, except Jim Durham. Are you all stupid for not realizing this? I think he is a bad actor and you believe his words? Remember 2010. Enough for me to have a definitive opinion.

  60. 60 John White Oct 10th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    With these sad times its hard to find something funny. I am still laughing over this post: by:

    Hoaxis pokas my ass!

    To all the “warriors” who need to feel like a man…

    Just send me your $1000 and I will send you a brass plaque with the inscription of “WORLDS MOST BADDEST ASS BIKER BOY” ON IT!

    There ya have it!

    You won’t even have to roll your bike out of the garage!

    You will be the envy of all your Pabst Blue Ribbon redneck biker buddies who come over to your “bad ass biker pad” where you can all take turns rubbing the plaque on your genitals as foreplay and a prelude to your gay white trash trailer park escapades!

    I will have your money….

    You will have your “badass” plaque…

    EVERYBODY will be happy!

    —————————————————————–

    Now that is funny! I cannot believe that one got past the monitors. Thanks Cyril for letting them fly.

  61. 61 Hoaxis pokas my ass! Oct 10th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Thank’s Johnny!!! (ya FNB!) I always try to doright!

    BTW Johnny…..

    How’s your wife and my kids?

    Is she still on her broomstick?

    Tell her I said hey!

    The Dud is outa here!

  62. 62 36 Special @ Open Road Biker Oct 10th, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Just get out and ride because you want to, F@c4 what anyone else thinks, and forget trying to win money. The route was published, save some money and get on your bike and ride it yourself or be original and find your own route. Even better just get on a bike and point it in a direction and go until you no longer want to.

  63. 63 Scooter45 Oct 10th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    I bet that John white is going to tell us very soon that he owns Hoka Hey 2012. Ha, ha, ha. He would say anything to have his name in Cyril’s website.

  64. 64 John White Oct 10th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Scooter45,

    No, I am going to ride in the Hoka Hey 2012. By the way, has even one rider from the HHC posted on here?

    By the way, this lead story here is missing a few facts. When you read the story it does not tell what really happened regarding the top ten riders. I think it would be better if Cyril tells the true story. Cyril, tell us what really happened. Those riders did not leave AZ empty handed and they all got what they agreed to get. When the readers find out from someone else they might think you manipulated the blog. Just tell them the truth. The real story is bound to hit the news in the next 24 hours anyway. Tell the true story. Tell us what the riders really received because you say they got nothing and that is not true. How would this blog have gone if you would have told the readers that the riders agreed to a sum and accepted it?

  65. 65 Frank Oct 10th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Speeding by some participants does not make an event a race. Giving a prize to the FIRST person(s) to finish makes it a race, and that’s what HH does — encouraging riders to ride for days, sleep-deprived, quite possibly speeding or unsafe, to be FIRST, to get a large amount of money.
    The RULE, in the published rules, was not that “you’re disqualified if you get a ticket.” It was “you’re disqualified if you don’t obey all laws, including speeding laws” (paraphrased).
    One person commented that speeding was allowed up to 20 miles over the limit. Was that announced before the race, or decided after the race? The rider going 65 mph in a 65 zone has the right to be upset if the organizers change the rules later to allow 80 mph in a 65 zone.
    If HH really meant what the published rule said, those riders who sped could have been identified and pulled out of the race at their next checkpoint — not allowed to stay in and set an illegal pace for the race, especially since checkpoints closed X hours after “the first rider.” Riders should KNOW ahead of time when the next checkpoint is due to close, not have to guess based on whether they’re within 96 hours of the speeding first rider — and they can’t call anyone, under the rules, to see when the first rider arrived.
    If riders 1-11 are truly disqualified, then rider 12 should be “first,” and riders 13-22 should be given the lesser prizes. The pre-race rules specified, “Although all vehicles have sufficient time to arrive at each destination, the route of the Event is demanding.” Therefore it should NOT be impossible to legally and safely finish the ride.
    For many riders, it was an adventure. It is the organizers who are at fault.

  66. 66 Hoaxis pokas my ass! Oct 10th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    This whole circus would be hilarious if two men HADN’T DIED (which incidently the organizers NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED UNTIL A YEAR LATER AT A SPEECH WHERE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THEY WERE SHOWING HUMILITY) AND MANY MORE SERIOUSLY HURT!

    All I can say about the Durhams is…..

    sooner or later…

    KARMA will rear it’s all too realistic head and bite them where it hurts most!

    I WOULD NOT want to be in their shoes when it does!

  67. 67 Nobody Oct 11th, 2011 at 2:23 am

    reading about this and past HHC runs, sound hinky as all hell.

    I’ll just stick to my Indianapolis to Denver bar hopping.

  68. 68 Jeri Oct 11th, 2011 at 6:20 am

    I know two amazing people that rode 23K miles, 49 states and 3 Canadian territories in a little over 3 months. If fact, they met me in Homer for the end of the HHMRACE 2010…..AND THEY DIDN’T PAY ANYONE A DIME for their journey! They finished #4 and #5 in the HOGS ABC’s. You know…it is just pathetic for men to think that they have to have their names immortalized as a finisher of the Hoka Hey RACE. “Otherwise…who will remember your name?” Let me tell you……I AM SURE that Chuck Lynn and Ken Greene will be remember for more than dying in the HHMRACE. Jim Durham is no one…..HHMRACE is a joke. Too bad for those who continue to support a man who’s only interest is to increase his bank account with riders entry fees and then DQ everyone that finishes. Big Jim…your a big fake.

  69. 69 Cyril Huze Oct 11th, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Reply to John White.

    As you can see by the server date stamp appearing under each of all my posts, my article was written on Sunday October 9th. Precisely in the afternoon. The information it contains is the only one I had at the time, is factual, is correct and reproduces word for word what was said by Jim Durham, including what he wrote in his official Hoka Hey Website. I reproduce again his words

    “After the final validation had been completed, even though the 11 riders who finished within the allotted time frame have accomplished something that no other rider on earth has done, they could not be awarded prize money.”

    So, where is the manipulation? FYI, before publication I also tried to contact the top eliminated winner Will Barclay to know more. I was unable to reach him at that time. He contacted me only yesterday afternoon but I mention he is not the source of what is explained below.

    On Monday October 10th, some people with inside knowledge of a long meeting between Jim Durham and the 11 disqualified winners (minus 1 participant who left the meeting), told me that an agreement was reached with the organizer by which they would all receive an amount of $10,000 as compensation for their expenses for participating to the Hoka Hey. It was explained to me that during this meeting it was mentioned over and over that the $10,000 should never appear as prize money, because if these proceeds were qualified as prize money it would mean that Jim Durham was rewarding the participants for WINNING A RACE. The way the meeting was related to me is that Jim Durham was extremely scared at the thought that the GPS tracking data proving that riders were speeding end up in a court of law and that giving prize money to reward those who break the law proved to a judge that the Hoka Hey Challenge is in fact an illegal disguised race with for consequence heavy sanctions, penalties, etc for Jim & Beth Durham and the event being banned forever. So, it seems to me that the agreed $10,000 was a way to appease the eliminated winners (they all agreed for such compensation) and a satisfactory way for the organizers to avoid to be taken to court.

    I guess it is the reason why, even in his website, until this date, the organizers never talk about these $10,000 of compensation and state “officially” that “no prize money will be awarded” to the speeding winners (We kept a digital screenshot of the HHC website as proof of what Jim & Beth Durham state to the world). John White, who is manipulating the information? I am asking you.

    You know like me that the rules of the Hoka Hey contains illegal clauses for the participants, several like “you can’t talk to the medias, report an accident to the medias”, etc… “Everything must go first through HHC organizers…” What about freedom of speech?

    I faithfully reported all the information I had on Sunday, without any retention of facts I had knowledge at that time. Yes, since yesterday I learn more and more because people contact me. They always end up contacting me. FYI, I asked some written statements from those sources. I was waiting to get them all, if I get them, to publish more. I am not sure you help your friend Jim Durham in accusing me of not yet disclosing information that he does not want to be disclosed by fear of legal consequences.

    By the way, yesterday October 10th, you sent me an email. It says: “Talked to Jim (Durham). I might take the Hoka Hey back.” How can you take back an event that you never owned, although in 2010 you declared all over the web and in my website that you owned it, for later acknowledging that you never owned it! John White, who is manipulating information? You do, like the Hoka Hey organizers. I just publish as I get complete verified information. And I was again the 1st one to publish this story.

    It is my opinion that if Jim Durham changes his story and now pretends that he gave awards money, he may put himself in big trouble. And if it’s awards money, why he doesn’t give $250,000 to the winner and split the other $250,000 between the other 24 participants as promised at the start of the race? Maybe, like last year, he is going to state that he lost money…

    I take this opportunity to ask Jim Durham and yourself a few simple questions. Why are there no winners at all? Do you mean all participants who finished the challenge were racing? Without any exception? Everybody broke the laws, lied at your polygraph test? Was it possible to finish on time without speeding? Why is there a certain time to finish the ride? How was it calculated? Is there anyone from the organization who did a pre-run ride to check how long it takes, not speeding and taking the time to sleep, to accomplish the complete ride? How do you know the speed limit of each mile of the 14,000 miles distance? Please reply. My readers want to know the truth.

  70. 70 bigalyts Oct 11th, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Cyrii, Don’t you think that as long as this “MOOCH RACE” runs you will always become even more and more read? was wondering if John White was still riding that POS Bike he has had for the last 5 years or so? I think all the Riders should partner up and invest in the Mega Millions, and they will have a better chance to win something !

  71. 71 Brian Hemsley Oct 11th, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Bravo Cyril. It’s the reason why we trust you and love your website. The truth and only the truth.

  72. 72 Jeri Oct 11th, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Cyril, Not that it matters to you; but, you have gained my respect. Blessings,

  73. 73 Poka Kaka Oct 11th, 2011 at 8:06 am

    John White can’t shut his big mouth. LOL. Waiting for the answers.

  74. 74 Hoaxis pokas my ass! Oct 11th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Wow Cyril! Talk about a good read first thing in the A.M.!

    I wasn’t nor would I ever give two seconds thought about riding in this circus, but after reading your reply to JW’s comment…

    I trust your site as far as integritty and honesty are concerned!

    Cyril…I am just a Black Hills Hillbilly, but you gained my TOTAL respect!

    Keep up the great work!

  75. 75 Keith Stone - Kiki & Angel Oct 11th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Sounds to me that the whole thing is a con….. I know there are “high powered” people that read this blog… This needs to be dealt with….

    CYRIL, great job keeping us posted on this nonsense……

  76. 76 Donnie Oct 11th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Hey, John White. For integrity Cyril ranks first. You? I don’t believe many things you say about your logo, HHK, Hoka Hey Motorcycles and many other stories you like to spread in Cyril’s blog . At best, just the twisted truth. You sound like an egomaniac loving to see your name in his website. Sorry to tell you this, but like JD you are nobody in this industry.

  77. 77 John White Oct 11th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Cyril,

    Thanks for posting those remarks. Yes, the riders did accept 10K each. However, this is not the whole story. The riders themselves came up with this arrangement, Jim Red Cloud was going to pay them in full. Now why did the riders clan together and agree to a lower number? If the blog would have disclosed the 10K arrangement at the beginning and also explained that this arrangement was not forced upon them but a clan agreement then I think the reactions would have been more diverse.

    This is a hot story; One that is being filmed. In fact, the entire arrangement process is on film. Why these riders grouped together and accepted 10K each is part of the yet untold story here. How they reacted to Barcley afterwards is also a story.

    Sincerely,

    John L. White

  78. 78 Cyril Huze Oct 11th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    John, you wrote:

    “Jim Red Cloud was going to pay them in full”

    Really? The winners together, after one full day of meeting, refused to be paid ?? Why they would refuse to be paid their winning award money ??? Will Barclay refused too?

    Why did Jim Durham write in his website.

    “After the final validation had been completed, even though the 11 riders who finished within the allotted time frame have accomplished something that no other rider on earth has done, they could not be awarded prize money.”

    Since you claim the privilege of knowing the whole story (from Jim Durham), why don’t you narrate it for my readers. Not a tale. The real story.

  79. 79 reyn mansson Oct 11th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    This statement is complete and utter BS from the HHC BS factory > Jim Durham was extremely scared at the thought that the GPS tracking data proving that riders were speeding end up in a court of law and that giving prize money to reward those who break the law proved to a judge that the Hoka Hey Challenge is in fact an illegal disguised race with for consequence heavy sanctions, penalties, etc for Jim & Beth Durham

    They are using a hypothetical threat to get away with theft. Why so scared, who exactly is going to prosecute? Anyone trying to bring charges or is this some comical malevolent Smokey hiding behind a highway billboard scenario? Reminds me of that Gumball Rally movie. No one was ever prosecuted for the real Cannonball Baker Runs, and they were truly racing!

    Riders, you have been conned, Harley has been conned and I can not believe that this will work again.

  80. 80 Donnie Oct 11th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Reyn Mansson. EXACTLY RIGHT.

  81. 81 Jeri Oct 11th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Will Barclay’s reply to me on his FB page when I asked him if he was the rider seeking “other remedies.”

    Aloha Jeri! I fit none of the categories in the HH press release. I was present for a time in Mesa, but had to leave for a charity event in Daytona. I did not ask for or receive a check. I am not seeking “other remedies” I am still in listen and watch mode. Heading out on a nice ride today. Stay tuned.

    Interesting……

  82. 82 John White Oct 11th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Cyril wrote:

    Since you claim the privilege of knowing the whole story (from Jim Durham), why don’t you narrate it for my readers. Not a tale. The real story.

    Ok Cyril, I will do just as you ask. The real story. It might take 6 hours to get permission from Jim Red Cloud. When I post it will be his words, written by him. Stand by.

  83. 83 carla Oct 11th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    [settling in for the second season] “where’s the popcorn?”

  84. 84 Branson Oct 11th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    HHK is a very sad story of deception. And if they make a movie about it, who is going to show this to who? Oh, yes. to the disqualified winners. 11 people!

  85. 85 Hoaxis pokas my ass! Oct 11th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    RE: John White comment:

    Cyril,

    Thanks for posting those remarks. Yes, the riders did accept 10K each. However, this is not the whole story. The riders themselves came up with this arrangement,

    {Jim Red Cloud was going to pay them in full.}

    Now why did the riders clan together and agree to a lower number? If the blog would have disclosed the 10K arrangement at the beginning and also explained that this arrangement was not forced upon them but a clan agreement then I think the reactions would have been more diverse.

    This is a hot story; One that is being filmed. In fact, the entire arrangement process is on film. Why these riders grouped together and accepted 10K each is part of the yet untold story here. How they reacted to Barcley afterwards is also a story.

    Sincerely,

    John L. White

    —————————————————————————————————————————————

    Are you freakin kidding me?!?!?!

    OH! I guess John White thinks Cyril’s readers are a bunch of backwoods country bumpkins who just fell off the turnip truck! (well…I may be…But after reading some of the comments by other readers, It’s easy to see there’s high caliber inteligence in here)
    For John White to publicly say that the riders REFUSED to accept the AWARD MONEY in FULL and instead took a fraction ($10,000= ten thousand dollars) of the $250,000 (two hundred fifty thousand dollars) is a blatant insult to my inteligence!

    C’mon already! Tell the WHOLE TRUTH JOHN WHITE!

    I’m starting to think you are under the influence of something other than reality!

    I am trying to invision it in my head….

    These 11 riders are in Mesa EXPECTING (otherwise why on earth would they have even shown up in Mesa AGAIN?) to BE PAID!!!!

    But instead, they all put their heads together and said….We just want $10K apiece and you (Jim Durham) can have the rest since you are such a swell fella (dripping w/ sarcasm)!

    No sir Mr. White! I’m just a poor white backwoods hillbilly from Sturgis South Dakota with a high school diploma and I’m not falling for that line of B.S.!

    I have a question for you Mr. White…..

    What color is the sky in your world???

  86. 86 Hoka Blah Blah Blah Oct 11th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    The HHC BS factory is working hard at making a story. Please don’t disturb while they prepare their lies. I bet nobody at the HHK BS factory will be able to answer Cyril’s very sharp line of questioning. Even john White turned silent. Well, means a lot.

  87. 87 Dazed N Confused Oct 11th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Let me understand this a bit. John, feel free to help out this FNB.

    Jim Redclown thinks that he can prevent the records of the speeding from ending up in court if he doesn’t pay out prize money? Now that the top finishers have admitted to speeding by at least 20 MPH any law enforcement agency THAT CARED could easily get those records. By failing to pay out any money he did nothing to keep the law out of this. All he did was try to cover his butt from claims of an illegal speed contest.

    No, I suspect that what really happened was that Jim told the riders that they were all going to be in trouble with the law for speeding and that he, Jim Redclown, was going to disqualify them. He offered them $10K to cover their expenses because he doesn’t have the prize money to pay these riders. If they threatened to expose him he would sue them over the wording of the non-race agreement. If they sue him he declares bankruptcy and walks away and they get nothing.

    In this way they get to cover their expenses and he gets to keep his (non)race and try to screw more riders next year.

    I suspect that this was his plan form the beginning since only Will was required to take the polygraph and submit a urine sample.

    Feel free to poke all the holes in my guess that you want to. My guess is just as valid as your GUESS, John.

  88. 88 Rider2 Oct 11th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    WHO CARES!!!!!! The whole thing is a scam… doesn’t matter who says what and who got burned or not. Doesn’t matter if it’s illegal or if there will or won’t be another edition. The bottom line is that nobody saw any money (winners or not). Can we all go back to work now? This stuff is boooorrrrinnnnggggg.

  89. 89 Hoka Hilarious Oct 11th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Beth Durham just declared online:

    “The majority of the contenders admitted to having gone at least 20 mph over the speed limit during their interview and the result was that they could not be rewarded with prize money.That may or may not be acceptable to the 11, but for riders it was never about the money in the first place.”

    I REALLY WONDER WHY EVERYBODY IS SPEEDING IF IT’S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.

    Organizers thinking. Since it’s not about the money, why give the award money we promised!

    Hee, hee, hee…

  90. 90 Danny902 Oct 11th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Nobody could finish on time without speeding and skipping much sleep. It was impossible. Everybody disqualified. No money given. All money in Durham’s pockets. The BS meter runs so high, it’s going to explode.

  91. 91 Garmin Oct 11th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    John White trying to defend Jim Dark Red Cloud, like in 2010, to convince him to give him a share in the 2012 organization and steal a slice of the money pie. Twice the BS. LOL.

  92. 92 John Ashbury Oct 11th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Hoka Hey Challenge slogan is “Expect The Unexpected.” I am certain that the 11 winners asked to travel to the awards ceremony in Arizona last weekend didn’t expect to hear “you won but are all disqualified.” Jim Red Clown laughing to the bank. Give him $1000. You get only the right to ride, never to win because he will tell you that real men and women never do it for prize money. And since you are probably a jerk in your daily life, you feel that $1000 is a small price to pay to get the illusion that you are somebody. I am convinced that Red Clown is going to give the prize money to the poor Sioux of the Pine Ridge Reservation…Not you?

  93. 93 Unkl Ian Oct 11th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    So Jim Durham is going to pay income tax on the money he didn’t award ?

    Anyone know the phone number for the IRS ?

  94. 94 Wally Oct 12th, 2011 at 5:04 am

    To John White…
    your post on Oct 10th, 2011 at 10:20 pm ….”The real story is bound to hit the news in the next 24 hours anyway. “….. I can’t find that news anywhere. Can you post a link please?

  95. 95 Scooter45 Oct 12th, 2011 at 6:00 am

    There is no other real story than the one told by Cyril. Just White bragging again that he knows more and that he is connected! Just trying to look like he is somebody important. The official story is on the HHC website and says less, of course, than what you read here.

  96. 96 reyn mansson Oct 12th, 2011 at 7:51 am

    On the Hoka Hey web site is a list of “Friends of the Hoka Hey” I am taking it upon myself to write a letter and send a link to this story to all those companies to let them know that association with this event is a bad marketing choice because it associates their company and brand with a fraudulent event. I doubt that Beth is sending out a press release to announce how they didn’t payout as planned.

  97. 97 theguy Oct 12th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    “The Fleet Tracking devices could send out an email notification if a rider went over a certain speed, however, without knowing the speed limits in any given location, and without knowing whether that rider was passing another vehicle at the time, it would be an unreliable and unfair option to remove any rider from the field. So, it was decided that the results would be withheld until the entire validation process had taken place. It was a process that took many days of scrutinizing speed patterns for each rider. Reports for each were thousands of pages long as the US Fleet Tracking GPS pings a rider every 10 seconds!…”

    Would seem that it is entirely possible to check the riders speed printouts against the posted speed limits in any given area. That said, if the rules stipulate riders must adhere to all traffic laws to be eligible for prize money it’s a pretty straightforward deal. They broke the agreed to rules and were held to the rules. Bottom line in this is that it really doesn’t matter what was said before the ride started, what matters is what riders agreed to… in writing. I do wish someone else would take over this event as it has huge potential to be a great event if it could just get out from under the dark cloud always present.

  98. 98 Garmin Oct 12th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    You are as guilty participating to a road race as you are for organizing it. So it’s possible that Dark Cloud and the 11 riders minus 1 (Why? Who?) agreed to an “expense money deal refund” to not put each other in big trouble with the law. Was it possible to be on time at the finish line without speeding?

  99. 99 Trenz Oct 12th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Nobody participates = end of this bad circus. Easy.

  100. 100 Unkl Ian Oct 12th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    If you can track speed limits every step along several thousand
    miles of road, it should be possible to calculate if it was physically
    possible to finish on time without speeding.

  101. 101 Cleatis Cleghorn & O'Riley Oct 12th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Ya just gotta love the concept of John White’s damage control ammounts to just shutting up! Anybody who has kept up with this farse of a race knows that Jim, Beth and Lil Johnny boy are sittin by their “laptops” glued to the monitor watching to see what is said next! I got a good laugh yesterday when Lil Johnny wrote that he would respond with the “real story” after he spoke with Jim whats his name! It reminds me of that serial killer who got orders from his dog (son of Sam)! The difference is that these knuckleheads truely believe they are smarter than anyone else and that the people reading Cyril’s forum are numbskulls! While I agree that “some” of the people who rode and/or support these habitual criminals are seriously lacking in good judgement as far as where they spend their hard earned money, ultimately it IS THEIR money to spend! BUT…… What I DON’T AND WILL NOT EVER UNDERSTAND is the clause in their rules and regulations wherein it states NO RIDER WILL TALK TO THE MEDIA OR ANY OUTSIDE CORPORATION/ORGANIZATION WITHOUT WRITTEN CONSENT FROM THE ORGANIZERS!

    EXCUSE ME?????

    There are MANY VETERANS who ride and/or rode in this sick and twisted vergin of one man’s attempt to get rich off the blood and sweat from alot of VETERANS and these same VETERANS signed a deal with the devil (Durham and White) and volunteerly gave up their FREEDOM OF SPEECH?!?!?!?!?!?!

    I just don’t get it!!!

    The same veterans who give there lives for our country for our BELOVED RIGHT OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH and yet……They signed an agreement with DURHAM who in his sick and twisted mind has the power to take that RIGHT (FREEDOM OF SPEECH) away!?!?!?!?!?!

    I am SPEECHLESS!!!!!

    I AM AT A LOSS FOR WORDS!!!!

    MY HEART JUST BREAKS WHEN I READ THE WORDS OF A DURHAM SUPPORTER WHO IS/WAS A VETERAN AND AGREED TO HAVE HIS/HER FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHICH M-I-L-L-I-O-N-S OF MEN/WOMEN BEFORE US HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR!!!!!

    BAND TOGETHER TODAY MY R-E-A-L VETERAN WARRIORS AND SHUT THIS EVIL SCHEMING MAN AND HIS ILL-TEMPERED COHORTS DOWN!!!!

    Thank you Cyril for your integritty

    AND…..

    GOD BLESS AMERICA AND OUR FREEDOM TO EXPRESS OURSELVES TO ANY CORPORATION AND/OR ORGANIZATION MANY BEFORE US HAVE DIED TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE!!!!!!!

  102. 102 Hoka Hawg Oct 12th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    It’s impossible in the given time frame, unless you sped……. when calculating, take in consideration construction delays, wrong directions from HH, sleep, fuel stops……. I know………. I rode it.

  103. 103 Trenz Oct 12th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    The clause “you will not talk to the medias” without HHC authorization is illegal. It voids the whole agreement you signed with HHC. You are free to do what you want, to challenge HHC for the prize money they didn’t give you, etc. You didn’t agree with anything. Your agreement with HHC is void. You understand? No more contract. Gone! Do what you think is right. Now, Jim & Beth Durham. When do you take the same polygraph bullshit test?

  104. 104 live2rideaglide Oct 12th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Reasons to quit Hoka Hey and join the AHDRA , All Harley Drag Racing Association:

    1. It only lasts 6 seconds
    2. nobody sues anybody
    3. nice , friendly HONEST people
    4. the guy who gets there first wins
    5. they pay you if you win

  105. 105 HDrider146 Oct 12th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    NOTIBLE FACTS: This ride ended up being over 14,000 miles to be completed in 16 days. Given the posted speed limits, time refueling, time riden thru residental areas and little sleep (very little sleep) it was impossible to finish in the 16 days allowed unless you were SPEEDING! Rember 1 mph over the posted speed limit constitues speeding. No one can go 14,000 miles staying under the posted speed limit and finish in 16 days!
    All of the riders were told that the entire route was preriden. They admited it was not! If it was they would have seen it was impoosible to ride in 16 days and that the directions were WRONG in multiple areas!
    LOOK at the rules, it does say that you must follow “the applicable laws and regulations of the Sate/County in which you are traveling” but it says nothing that if you exceed the speed limit by 20mph you will be disqualified. So by what they have stated in “the rules” I would bet that every bike that entered was “disqualified before it left the state of AZ by going 1mph over the speed limit. THEY SET THIS EVENT UP TO FAIL FROM THE START!
    WHY THE RIDERS AGREED TO THE $10,000?
    1.)They were all being disqualified!
    2.) The riders got the event organizers to admit the purse was not all there based on the number of entrees and sponsors. (Unless someone added money to it)
    3.) The directions in multiple areas were incorrect.
    4.) It could not be riden legally in the time frame given by organizers.
    I will say this, one of the 11 riders was absolutley furious with the event organizers, including EB Chester who was running the interviews with Red Cloud, and in the end was asked to leave and escorted off the property!
    In the end this event was advertised as an event that could be finished with in the guildlines of the rules stated by the event organizers. They stated they had the funds, preroad the route and riders could finish and win. All were lies! I feel in my heart that Harley didnt know what was taking place hear…..if they did then I’m very disappointed! They need to make a statement in reguards to this situation! Finally EB Chester and Red Clould need to open the books and SHOW EVERYONE WHERE THE MONEY IS AND ADMIT TO THEIR MISTAKES and stop pointing the finger at just the riders. (if they didnt make any mistakes they wouldnt have given these guys the settlement)
    Alot of time, money, blood sweat and tears was invested by every rider and family member who participated. WE DESERVE THAT!

  106. 106 Ger Oct 12th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Everybody disqualified before the start = F.R.A.UD. Not enough money to pay the winners = S.C.A.M.
    Thank you rider 146.

  107. 107 Kirkpatrick Oct 12th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Harley-Davidson lawyers. Here a guy who I think deserves to be sued to his last penny. Jim Durham. And this idiot claims a fabulous 2012 Hoka Hey success for the riders and sponsors. I still didn’t read, heard 1 positive comment.

  108. 108 Shifter Oct 12th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    I bet all concerned Harley executives read Cyril. Watch out Red Cloud! Storm is brewing.

  109. 109 Hark Oct 12th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    I took the time to check and see about how many riders did the Hoka Hey this year….if you ask Read Cloud forget getting an answer!!! From what I could tell…according to the tracking system being used there were less than 800 riders…so lets say that is $800,000.00 not including the sponsors who paid and what Harley-Davidson gave out. Is Less than 800 Harley riders a good investment? Even if it were not a low class scandle type event as the one Red Cloud puts on…there is no way I would invest a brand new harley for under 800 riders…there is no way this can pay off. The only winner in the end…is Red Cloud…who each year comes up with more lies to cheat, rob and steal Harley Riders for all he can get….the Hoka Hey this year makes the Harley-Davidson Mortor Company look bad…lack of support should show the Motor Company the wasted a lot of time, effort and money.

  110. 110 Jeri Oct 12th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Thank you all that have voiced their positions here on this blog….NOW FILE YOUR FORMAL COMPLAINTS. My Ricky finished #98 in 2010 and will hold dear to the experience of the ride forever; but, he also lost his dear friend. The SD AG closed my formal complaint last year with “We look for a pattern of fraud.” I say the 2011 RACE constitutes a pattern! PLEASE, PLEASE make your voices heard at the Attorney Generals office. You can file online. It is very simple and they will contact you in reference to.

    Office of the Attorney General
    Marty J Jackley
    Division of Consumer Protection
    1302 E Hwy 14
    Pierre, SD 57501-8503

    Attn: Ray Klinger
    Investigator
    605-773-4400
    http://www.state.sd.us/atg

    Please make your concerns about this event known to the ones that can make a difference. I am calling Mr. Klinger today to update him on this years event. I am sure he won’t be surprised. Blessings to all!!!

  111. 111 Jeri Oct 12th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    I just spoke to Mr. Klinger and he is very well aware of what is going on this year. HE NEEDS TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU; especially those that rode and have first hand knowledge. This is a very exhausting process; but, necessary in order to stop Jim and Beth from doing again! Blessings,

    @ AntiJOB – Have you found a job yet? lol…..Oh yea…your not looking!

  112. 112 mikedabiker Oct 12th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Most GPS or maping software know the basic speed limits such as 4 lane or 2 lane state or local roads. How do you think it gives you an estimated time or arrival? They plot the route and then take the speed limits into the calculation. Some devices will give you a warning if you are going faster than the posted speed limit and also record the hightest speed. I know my zumo 550 has the highest speed on it.

  113. 113 HDrider146 Oct 12th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Hark….try less than 300 riders. GPS had 150 tracking. Not 151….150! I have talked to a couple of dealers who are saying 280-290 checked in total early on in the event.

  114. 114 Trenz Oct 12th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    More than 24 hours later, still no “Hoka Hey real story” as promised by john White who would get it from Jim Durham. Of course, you can never expect a real story from these people.

  115. 115 Jeri Oct 12th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    HDrider146….I watched the tracking….how is that possible that there were that many riders and only 150 tracked? Boy….big Jim made out a lot better that I thought! Another twist!

  116. 116 T. Bruce Oct 12th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    In a post in a website called Long Distance Riders http://www.ldriders.com/, Frank Kelly, Hoka Hey rider number 175, wrote the following.

    “Let me please try and take a second and explain to you my take on this whole thing. Out of the 11 riders Will Barclay was the only one not recognized for reasons I am unsure of. The rest of us were in trouble for speeding. After a long discussing with the Hoka Hey and the 8 riders left in the room (Will Barclay being DQed for something other than speeding, another guy was over in the middle east, and one guy just left mad which is understandable and I hope he has cooled off by now) there was an agreement between us that yes we the riders understand and admit to going over 20mph at some point (Hard to dispute when they have our GPS tracking records). This is considered reckless driving by most states and is against the rules of the Hoka Hey. The huge grey area about speeding and the fact that the GPS tracking device wasn’t supposed to be used against us in regards of speeding left us in quite a pickle. So an agreement/compromise was made in order to protect the riders’ reputation and integrity while still showing that organization wants to abide by the state laws on the regards of speeding. That we would still be recognized and we did receive money for completing this in the allotted time frame while still holding our positions (although this money received can’t be considered prize money).”

  117. 117 T. Bruce Oct 12th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    All cheaters. Organization, Will Barclay, riders. Hear louder and louder that Will Barclay woud have been equipped, like last year, with electronic devices letting him do a few magic trcks, foul the organization. Anyone with info about this?

  118. 118 Scooter45 Oct 12th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Will Barclay flies jets for a living. Must know a lot in electronics. Dqued for other reasons than speed. Scrambling data? Confusing HHC about where he was? His speed? His route? Caught red handed by organization? Greatest rider on the planet in 2010? Maybe not…just better in electronics?

  119. 119 Cleatis Cleghorn & O'Riley Oct 12th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    RE: Jeri & South Dakota Attorney general

    We beat you to it Ma’am.

    Three of us Called today and will be calling frequently to get updates on action being taken in regards to James G. Durham, Elizabeth Moyer Durham, John White and a few other associates that are under their influence.

    God bless and take care

    C.C. & M.O.

  120. 120 Jeri Oct 12th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    @ C.C & M.O. – Now that’s what I’m talking about!!!! THUMBS UP!!!!! 🙂

  121. 121 Jeri Oct 12th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    The Anti Hoka Hey FB page is a closed group of fellow naysayers….F’n nut bags and broom riders (coined last year by John White) that have followed this bogus race since before it was run in 2010. We hold to the same core beliefs that Jim Durham and Beth are ….. well, lets say less than honorable! lol Please feel free to look us up, tell us who you are and the group will, based on your profile grant you access….or not. Understand that this is a closed group for a reason. We welcome TRUTH from riders of the HHMRACE 2011 to better understand your position and share with you some of the information we have gathered over the couple of years. Trust me, you won’t be disappointed! NO MOLES PLEASE! LOL

  122. 122 David Oct 12th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    There are no winners in the scheme because this guy’s middle name is “Bernie Madoff” Yeah he Made off with all your money
    Or is he tied to the Solyndra bundler for obama and has taken more of the tax payers money and no one has filed a suit.

    SSDD;David

  123. 123 Unkl Ian Oct 13th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    David: Sounds like there are 2 “winners”.

    Jim Durham and his female accomplice.

    The $10K settlement was to save his neck.

  124. 124 Jeri Oct 13th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Please, HDrider146, someone that rode the HHMRACE 2011….PLEASE tell me why / how / if there were riders that were not on the tracking system? Has JD or Miss Bethy posted official list of starters / finishers….accidents / injuries / hopefully no fatalities. Are all riders accounted for? Does anyone know? That was an issue last year. One rider lay in a culvert for 12 hours before local law enforcement went to the last signal his spot one put out. He was deceased. Who knows if there are still riders out there…hurt or worse? IDK….just wondering WHY the statement was made that there were over 280 / 290 riders and only 150 tracked? It would be nice if the HHMRACE officials would publish the truth for all to see and confirm that everyone is safe and sound. Assuming family members would surface IF they were missing someone….but, not all have family……just sayin’.

  125. 125 Jeff Nicklus Oct 13th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    David,

    …..”There are no winners in the scheme because this guy’s middle name is “Bernie Madoff” Yeah he Made off with all your money.”…..

    Now that is some funny crap I don’t care who you are!

    Over & Out,

    Jeff

  126. 126 carla Oct 13th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    it’s a load of BS… but what i dont understand, and never will, is why some of these riders/defenders will plop another $1000 down next year, KNOWING that all this crap is going on. A ride that can NOT be won — you either are DQ’d from breaking rules, or get in too late. They HAD to know from the start that the route could NOT be finished in time, without breaking rules. That means they KNEW they would not be paying out ANY prize money, from the very start. That means they SCAMMED every single rider who paid $1000…. i dont CARE if it ws the best ride of your life (i’m sure it was, assuming you werent killed doing it, or maimed)… but WHY WOULD ANYONE, especially in the economic environment we live in today, want to pay someone $1000 to screw them up, down and sideways? Is there self-esteem so in question that then need a con-artist to call them a BAD-ASS BIKER WARRIOR??? pu-leeze. Pull your head out of buttholes and look a con in the face. You may have had a wonderful experience, but you could have done the same damned thing wtihout putting money in a swindler’s pockets…. and risking lives in the process. yup, another FNB.

  127. 127 carla Oct 13th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    excuse my typo’s above. and nope, i have nothing invested in this, and barely followed this year as i have better things to do. Just cant believe he pulled off another year of this crap, and drew HD in as well. Silver tongued for sure. and forked.

  128. 128 Hoka Hawg Oct 13th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Amazing how easy it is for people to let their fingers write such horrible shit, when they where never involved with, nor rode in the challenge. The only goofs on this blog are the haters….. get a life! Or better yet, get off your asses and ride in it. Put your life on the line for yoursef and others participating and trust other riders to do the same for you……. Live your life the way you want to. I could just as easily call you cheaters and losers for NOT living a great life and chasing dreams, but crushing “others” ways of life.

    If you dont like something and have a place to do something about it, then go complain to the AG. But for Christs sake, get a life!

  129. 129 Big Oct 13th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Hoka Hawg, why do you need to pay an entry fee to achieve all those things?

  130. 130 Hoka Hawg Oct 13th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Do you really have to ask? Really?

  131. 131 Jeri Oct 13th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    @ Hoka Hawg……”Otherwise…..who will remember your name?” Oh yea…you don’t even post your name here. Yes, we really want to know WHY you feel the need to pay a con man $1K to be given a route to ride where the directions are wrong and can’t be accomplished in the allotted time? YES Hoka Hawg….WE REALLY DO WANT TO KNOW?!

  132. 132 Big Oct 13th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Ummm, yeah…I do.

  133. 133 Wally Oct 13th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    This is the prize list from their official hand-out:

    http://i54.tinypic.com/2eauo00.jpg

  134. 134 Dazed N Confused Oct 13th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Hoka Hawg,

    As one of JW’s FNBs I will answer why we care.

    1. Because last year JD made a commitment/promise to several charities that they would be receiving donations of several thousands of dollars.

    2. Because JD stood up in front of all the riders last year and admitted that he lied to them the night of the race.

    3. Because a legitimate event puts the prize money in an escrow account to guarantee it’s preservation. JD did not do this either year.

    4. Because 2 people died last year in a non-race! The organizers have not been held responsible for their contributory negligence.

    5. Because JD just collected between $150K and $300K and cheated people out of finish money. Ruining reputations along the way with innuendo and rumor.

    6. Because someone has to step up to warn gullible people about this scam artist. If you choose to support him, then just mail him your $1,000 and consider yourself a hero and a warrior.

    7. I consider the true warriors and heroes to be the Vets who were lied to, cheated and taken advantage of last year. Going for a ride is not proving anything. Losing an arm or a life in defense of our freedoms IS. They should not be cheated. And they were.

  135. 135 Cleatis Cleghorn & O'Riley Oct 13th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    RE: Hoka Hawg

    You’re kidding….Right?

    Are you saying that I. along with MILLIONS of current veterans,retired and passed on….That in order to be considered a “MAN” that we have to GIVE UP OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, 1000 DOLLARS, AND HAVE TO WEAR THAT STUPID LOOKING LAME ASS PATCH WITH A WEISEL HEAD CLOAKED WITH PIGEON FEATHERS???

    You’re kidding….RIGHT???

    You see….

    According to you….I’m not a real biker like you!

    Nope…

    I only ride my dresser 45 miles round trip EVERY day, go to the grocery store on my FLHTC, well hell Hawg….The ONLY time I don’t ride my FLHTC is if I’m sleeping or sitting at home relaxing after a long day as a machinist!

    Yeah….I have other cars and trucks, but it’s hard to carry 2×4’s and such for a project on my sled. I just love to ride! It’s like an extension of me and has been for over 1/2 a century!

    Yeah….I will admit….I only ride about 40,000-45,000 a year on my sled, but it’s better than having to give up my FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND HAVING TO WEAR THAT RIDICULOUS PATCH THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS BOUGHT IN A CHINESE GUMBALL FACTORY! I mean….C’MON!…A WEISEL with PIGEON feathers??? That…in itself was enough to keep me and my friends out of your bubblegum rally!!! Since your pal swears that he was a member of the United States Navy Seals U.D.T. (underwater demolition team) and E.O.D. (explosives ordinance & disposal) team, I would have thought your buddy would have come up with something a little more noble and inspiring! But a picture of a griggin WEISEL WITH PIGEON FEATHERS??? iI’m thinking ya’all were smokin some pretty harsh shit there Hawg boy!

    Now….Please excuse me….I have to run to the store

    C.C. & M.O.

  136. 136 Shane in KS Oct 13th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Folks, please attempt to stay on topic here. Remember what your real objective is. Faulting a HHMC rider for paying an entry fee to be part of an “organized” ride is wrong. It’s Jim, Beth, and maybe other organizers whom you have a beef with, not the riders. I couldn’t begin to tell you how much money I’ve spent to participate in various Iron Butt Association rides, but I do know that entry into ANY of their rallies easily exceeds the $1,000 that the HHMC riders paid. It’s not to gain acceptance into an elite club, but rather to do what I like.

    When you think about the participants, try to keep an open mind and look at things from their perspective. They paid a fee to do what they like to do, and they most likely had a great time participating. They were challenged – some met it; maybe some didn’t. Yes, they could have done the same ride on their own without paying anyone a dime. That’s not the point. It’s fun to build relationships and hang out with those who love the same things you do.

    So were they cheated? Maybe. Most weren’t, but some obviously were. Did it lessen their experience? Was it rewarding, even if not monetarily? Probably. We’ve all probably pissed away a lot more than $1,000 on something that someone else would declare as stupid. So what. Enjoy life.

    Let’s stay focused on the real agenda here.

  137. 137 Hoka Hawg Oct 13th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Cleatis Cleghorn & O’Riley,

    Your like a female……… always looking to fight, taking the worst and gloifying it into YOUR prospective for YOUR benefit……. go pound sand! Why? Because you have no idea of what your talking about. IF you are now talking about being a Vet, I am too. Stay on topic………

    Ride in the Hoka Hey and comment intelligently, or get a life!

    Have fun at the store…………

  138. 138 Ron Oct 13th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    I was going to enter next year but NOT NOW

  139. 139 JD Oct 13th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    First I want to congratulate all the riders on a great ride. This discourse in no way reflects on your achievements in any way.
    What I question are the people who run the show and their sponsors. we have all heard the arguments against the organizers and their shady ways. This year they tried to make this a legit event and even got harley to sign on as a major sponsor.
    If I remember correct Harley pledged to give away 50,000 in cash and prizes, no small amount. They got a lot of press out of this and drummed up some business for their dealers. All good.
    The only thing that troubles me is that I haven’t heard one peep about who won the new bike and all the cash. Please don’t tell me that even Harley is not being above board on this. Did Harley lie also, or are they just riding the wave with the rest of the HH crew. Does anyone know?

    JD

  140. 140 hawghugger Oct 13th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Hey CC&O
    I LOVE that patch!

  141. 141 TexBagger Oct 13th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Good lord, how many people does it take to recognize this scam? Let’s never agin be sucked into this sad vortex please! May Jim and Beth Durham be dropped into the depths of HELL!

  142. 142 Jeri Oct 14th, 2011 at 7:45 am

    @ TexBagger,

    Good Lord = YES HE IS!!!

    May Jim and Beth Durham be dropped into the depths of HELL!

    Don’t be mistaken…that might very well happen….if they don’t change their ways and that being a change of heart. Only the Lord can change the heart of man / woman. Blessings, 🙂

  143. 143 Hoka Hawg Oct 14th, 2011 at 7:59 am

    ANSWERS

    1. Because last year JD made a commitment/promise to several charities that they would be receiving donations of several thousands of dollars.
    A- They never raised enough money for the charities. In fact, they came out of pocket to pay the 2010 winner.

    2. Because JD stood up in front of all the riders last year and admitted that he lied to them the night of the race.
    A- That’s totally on him………. It’s disheartening

    3. Because a legitimate event puts the prize money in an escrow account to guarantee it’s preservation. JD did not do this either year.
    A- Most rider’s trust event organizer’s. This will need to be addressed in the future. Hoka Hey is a an incredibly small organization.

    4. Because 2 people died last year in a non-race! The organizers have not been held responsible for their contributory negligence.
    A- We all sign an agreement that this is on us. We will not hold event organizer’s accountable. You cannot control what individuals do. That’s like sueing the government for being a soldier and doing something dumb and being KIA……… If a rider fell asleep, If a rider was speeding and died, these are both on the rider. The rider chose to be involved. HH cannot be held responsible in my opinion.

    5. Because JD just collected between $150K and $300K and cheated people out of finish money. Ruining reputations along the way with innuendo and rumor.
    A- Do you know this for a fact? I don’t. If I ever find that to be true, I’d be very pissed. Don’t forget to also include the 8k that dealership checkpoints threw in the pot, when calculating what HH took in for cash…..

    6. Because someone has to step up to warn gullible people about this scam artist. If you choose to support him, then just mail him your $1,000 and consider yourself a hero and a warrior.
    A-This is an ignorant comment…….

    7. I consider the true warriors and heroes to be the Vets who were lied to, cheated and taken advantage of last year. Going for a ride is not proving anything. Losing an arm or a life in defense of our freedoms IS. They should not be cheated. And they were
    A- I agree……

    I will tell you, I feel cheated by HH…… I and my family went through a lot to complete this challenge. I rode over a thousand miles a day in under 16 days. I believe it was set up to fail with the given time frame that was aloted. We were told the tracking device would not be used against us, but it was. It was their sole defense to DQ each of us from the prize $$. It totally sucks. The top 5 finishrs were at one point supposed to get a new CVO, but Harley changed that to just one. HH had a mandatory rest stop in SD this year, but when Harley got involved, they took it out. Since Harley was the sponsor, they wanted ALL HD models in the challenge. Last year, it was any American made air-cooled V-Twin. I think HD dropped the ball on HH as well as any mis-management, however it’s like any small business, they get better and better each year.

    IF HH is a con or a scam or in any way going into this to defraud for money, then they need to go to jail. But just think for a moment, why would they be a nationally know brand and jeopardize their name and reputation and possible jail time for a couple hundred thousand dollars? Please……. I don’t believe this is the case at all. They are paying the price for not annoucing the winners……….. hence, the rider’s AND the dealerships involved feel cheated. HH has it work cut out if they want to keep this going, and I hope they do.

    IF you love to ride and challenge yourself with a possibility of winning a very large prize, and meet incredible rider’s from around the world, and have dealership’s stay open 24 hrs and treat you like kings, and not just sit on your bike on a super slab accumulating miles but rather be on 2 lane roads where you need to think and see this fine country……… then maybe I will see you there. People, $1000 is nothing today……….. I don’t drink or smoke and I spend a ton on my passions as well as each of you do. Don’t judge me on my sport.

    I love what I do, and I want you to love what you do as well…………. I would not raise hell with you if you spend your money in ways that I don’t agree with (smoking or drinking) or whatever you do. That’s why we are all so different in this country………… it’s called freedom

    Again, go to the AG’s office if you have a complaint.

    Peace,

  144. 144 2011 HHC Oct 14th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Joka Hawg are you kidding???? 1. nationally know brand and jeopardize their name and reputation and possible jail time for a couple hundred thousand dollars? A. You can ask alot of riders and or dealers they don’t know anything about them.
    2. $1000 is nothing today. A. thats not what it cost to do this. and if you have extra send some my way.
    If they did not scam??? us then maybe they should give some money back to the riders and dealers that paid.
    But maybe they should give it up.

  145. 145 Hoka Hawg Oct 14th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    2011 HHC,

    Your silly…..

  146. 146 Jeri Oct 14th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Hoka Hawg says:

    I will tell you, I feel cheated by HH…… I and my family went through a lot to complete this challenge. I rode over a thousand miles a day in under 16 days. I believe it was set up to fail with the given time frame that was aloted. We were told the tracking device would not be used against us, but it was. It was their sole defense to DQ each of us from the prize $$. It totally sucks. The top 5 finishrs were at one point supposed to get a new CVO, but Harley changed that to just one. HH had a mandatory rest stop in SD this year, but when Harley got involved, they took it out. Since Harley was the sponsor, they wanted ALL HD models in the challenge. Last year, it was any American made air-cooled V-Twin. I think HD dropped the ball on HH as well as any mis-management, however it’s like any small business, they get better and better each year.

    IF HH is a con or a scam ……… IF?????? LOL…. IF….. I guess it’s like trying to convince a crazy person that they are crazy….impossible~ PEACE OUT….

  147. 147 Jeri Oct 14th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Is it me?

  148. 148 Jeri Oct 14th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    lol….OH well….to each his own. I am just glad my hubby learned the first time! Great ride ended with total heart break. We’re are choosing our life’s challenges much more carefully and they will never include the cons of Jim Durham (Redclown) and his endearing wife Beth! BLESSINGS TO ALL!

  149. 149 Cleatis Cleghorn & O'Riley Oct 14th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    To Cyril:

    Have you by any chance heard fro John White and/or James Durham/Beth Durham regarding their explanation as to why they covertly handed out 10K as a formality and what will happen to the remainder of the proceeds of the money that wasn’t given as prize money?

    We, as readers are STILL WAITING for an EXPLANATION.

    Thank’s again Cyril

    C.C. & M.O.

  150. 150 Cleatis Cleghorn & O'Riley Oct 14th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    The way my partner at arms and I see it is like this….

    These fake indians have figured out a way to cheat people out of their hard earned money and like a few people, They have started to believe their lies they have spoken.

    Here’s our take on the whole scenirao……

    They cater to people who are looking to belong to something bigger than themselves. They have found a way to manipulate people into thinking their Hope away (hoka hey) is like joining an elite motorcycle club simular to the Viet Nam Vet’s Club (I apoligize for using the VNMC in the same sentence w/ HHMC) and they promote it that way!

    The BIG difference is this….The Viet Nam Motorcycle Club is a club of BROTHERS who will at a moments notice drop what they are doing to help out another VETERAN! Whether it be a funeral or a bike wreck, a veteran need grocerys or help working on his bike, to help financially to get a vet’s lights turned on or to help pay funeral expenses!

    If you didn’t finish the race because of a hardship and after paying money to the Durham’s….try calling up the Durham’s and see how much help they will offer you! If you need help financially for something like food, electricity, medical, etc….Call Durham and see what he will offer you!!! God help you if you get his answering machine because you will wait until hell freezes over before you hear back from him!

    This WHOLE R-A-C-E is/was just a big joke made up to lure gullible/lonely/inadquite people under the pretense they would be joining an elite club of sorts!

    NOTHING MORE!!!!……NOTHING LESS!!!!

    I have heard Durham say so many times that it’s not about the money and everything about the ride that if I hear it one more time, I’m going to vomit!

    If it was about the ride……Then why in the hell did Durham make up a story last year while in Montana where he had to fly to Washington state to sign a deal with John White to sell a percentage of the Hoka Joke???

    I know the head mechanic in Montana personally and he told me Durham’s Street glide had NOTHING wrong with it! He flew to WASHINGTON state for MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!

    What will it take to get it through your heads that DURHAM doesn’t give a rats ass about your life, your family, your lives, your kids, or whether you die!!! ALL HE CARES ABOUT IS YOUR MONEY!!!!!!! END OF STORY!!!!

    HE HASN’T EVEN COMPLETED THE RACE!!!! NOT LAST YEARS!!!! NOT THIS YEARS!!! HE DOESN’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE R-A-C-E!!! HE NEVER STARTED THE R-A-C-E TO FINISH THE R-A-C-E!!!!

    WHAT IN THE HELL IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO OPEN YOUR EYES TO THIS SCAMMING SCUMBAG????

    THEN YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO THE NATIVES SPEECH!!!

    THE O-N-L-Y NATIVES THAT WILL SEE A-N-Y MONEY FROM THIS R-A-C-E ARE HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY JUST LIKE LAST YEAR!!!! LAST YEAR THE ONLY NATIVE THAT WAS HELPED WAS HIS NIECE AND IT WASN’T ABOUT GETTING HER WATER EITHER!!!! IT WAS ABOUT FIXING FROZEN WATER PIPES THAT THEY WERE TOO LAZY TO HEAT TAPE AROUND!!! ANOTHER THING THAT YOU DON’T KNOW IS THAT HE RIPPED OFF THE CONTRACTOR WHO FIXED HER BROKEN WATER PIPES!!! HE DIDN’T SPEND A DIME!!!!

    What is it going to take to make you people realize that Durham is a LYING, TWO FACED, MANIPULATING, STEALING, CONNING, ARROGANT, LAZY, SCHEMING, SCAMMING SCUMBAG WHO’S O-N-L-Y INTENTION IS TO TAKE YOUR MONEY IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE!!! IF HE HAD HIS WAY….YOU WOULD ALL DIE DURING THE R-A-C-E AND HE WOULDN’T HAVE TO BOTHER WITH A AWARDS CEREMONY AND HE COULD JUST START SETTING UP THE NEXT JOKA HEY R-A-C-E!!!

    IF EVERYONE DIED ON THIS RACE…….DURHAM WOULD N-O-T LOSE ONE MICRO-SECOND OF SLEEP!!!

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

    SHEESH!!!!

    C.C. & M.O.

  151. 151 Jeri Oct 14th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    C.C & M.O….What do you really think? lol…..DITTO!!!! :-p

  152. 152 Wally Oct 14th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Hoka Hawg says: “I think HD dropped the ball on HH as well as any mis-management, however it’s like any small business, they get better and better each year.”

    Is Hoka Hawg really Jim or Beth Durham? Who else would blame Harley Davidson for their lies? Also, the reference to the Hoka Hey being a small business. From their press they’re humanitarian and vision questers. Philanthropists for the Lakota. I’ve worked with a lot of charities in my life and we never considered ourselves a small business. I find that an odd statement from a random participant.

  153. 153 Teris sister Oct 14th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    This is for C.C. & M.O.: BOY! Do you know James Durham or what????? You hit the nail right on the head! I knew James Durham waaaaaaaaaaaay back during his “Sacred” Buffalo days! You know where he didnt make enough money on the buffalo skeleton so he destroyed it for the insurance money? Google it, the investigators did a wonderful job telling the story. The Great Buffalo Caper. I just wanted to let YOU know you were right on the money! as far as JD and the whole JokaHey group are concerned!
    Prayers to all the riders and their families who were injured or lost their lives. This is in no way a reflection on the riders! But riders be aware…..James Durham doesnt care about YOU or YOURS!

    I am….Teri’s sister! (read about the Buffalo and you will know who she is)

  154. 154 Unkl Ian Oct 14th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
  155. 155 Teris sister Oct 14th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Thank you to Unkl lan for posting the link! Hugs!

  156. 156 Wally Oct 15th, 2011 at 5:06 am

    For Hoka Hawg….It’s not that Durham didn’t have the monies to pay out to the charities he promised in his advertisement for the HHC 2010, he never intended to. The Lakotas were never contacted by anyone connected with the Hoka Hey Challenge before or after the race. Here’s an article about it in “The Lakota Times”, The Official Legal Newspaper for the Pine Ridge and Rosebud Reservation. http://www.lakotacountrytimes.com/news/2010-07-14/Headlines/HOKA_HEY_A_CHALLENGE_OR_A_SCAM.html

  157. 157 Hoka Hawg Oct 15th, 2011 at 6:00 am

    Wally,

    I have never contacted the American Heart Association to let them know I was going to make a contribution…..

    I just made the contribution. Why would the Lakota’s have to be contacted?

    Also, you don’t consider 5 people running a business a small business?

    Trust me, Jim & Beth have their work cut out to save HH……. and they will.

  158. 158 BD Oct 15th, 2011 at 7:56 am

    If Harley Davidson was smart they would give the first 5 finishers a new CVO and be done with this Hoka Hey and Jim Durham thing. Good PR and probably tax deductible. Weren’t the dealerships that sponsored the riders supposed to receive money from HD? Does anyone know if they got their money?

  159. 159 Cleatis Cleghorn & O'Riley Oct 15th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    @ BD
    Oct 15th, 2011 at 7:56 am
    If Harley Davidson was smart they would give the first 5 finishers a new CVO and be done with this Hoka Hey and Jim Durham thing. Good PR and probably tax deductible. Weren’t the dealerships that sponsored the riders supposed to receive money from HD? Does anyone know if they got their money?
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    Hey Beth……

    I have a better idea….

    How about if YOU (Beth Durham) and JIM DURHAM give the CVO to the top five (5) finishers???

    Maybe then, you “might” be able to find five (5) riders to sign up for your “joka hey” R~A~C~E next year!!!!

    C.C. & M.O.

  160. 160 BD Oct 16th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    CC&MO, I just realized that I left myself open to you thinking I was “Beth Durham”. I think this whole “Challenge” is nothing but a con job by people making money by claiming to help vets, Native Americans and numerous other organizations. I don’t believe for a minute that Jim Durham was a Navy Seal or a Native Lakoda. He doesn’t live on the reservation and can’t because he isn’t a native. He claims to be an attorney, what law school did he attend? Who was his swim buddy in the SEALS? I hate to see sincere people dupped into thinking they are going to be something or someone just because they rode their motorcycles in a “Challenge”. Yes, I think they accomplised a very long, ill planned ride and I hope they enjoyed it but they could have done that without giving their money to JIM DURHAM. Do they really think their names will go down in history or appear in musems? WTF!! Jim Durham did wrong by claiming that Will Barclay cheated last year and may have smeared Will’s reputation. He probably did that to take some of the heat and attention off of himself. I “Challenge” Jim Durham to show us proof that you even had the money to pay the finishers. Harley Davidson needs to step up and make this right for the finishers and then be done with Jim and Beth Durham..

  161. 161 Jeri Oct 16th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Hoka Hawg… The HHMRACE 2010 was promoted as an event to support the Vets. There were several charities named on their official HHMRACE web page and NONE of them had any idea that they were being USED to encourage riders to enter. That is fraud! NOT ONE of the charities got a red cent from Redclown! Keep your head up your butt….I am sick of those of you that are so freaking STUPID!!!! JIM DURHAM AND BETH….I HOPE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MAKES YOUR LIFE A LIVING HELL AND DRAINS YOUR BANKBOOK!

  162. 162 Cleatis Cleghorn & O'Riley Oct 16th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    I think an effective avenue to take as a NON-supporter of this satanic R~A~C~E would be to band together and form a trust fund in lieu of hiring an investigator who is knowledgeable of this sort of scam as well as knows how to get the Internal Revenue Service involved as far as getting “into” their so-called humanitarian medicine circus clown show!

    It’s high time someone with some serious stroke shook the proverbial tree and see how many nuts fall out!

    The “Durham’s” need to experience “first hand” the pain and suffering they have puked out on GOOD, DECENT, GOD FEARING, VETERANS who’s ONLY intention was to be rewarded what was RIGHTFULLY THEIRS!

    WORRY NOT, MY FAITHFULL SOLDIERS OF PEACE AND TRUTH FOR VENGEANCE IS MINE…SAYETH THE LORD GOD!!!!

  163. 163 BD Oct 16th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    John White, we are still waiting for your comments. I have a son-in-law that was one of the finishers and I can tell you he wasn’t offered anything close to what he deserved to get. Jim told the qualifing finishers that he didn’t have the money to pay them. Yes, under the rules of the “Challenge” I’m not supposed to say anything about Durham, Beth, or Hoka Hey that is not shown in a good light but I would like to know how they plan to stop me. Have my son-in-law sign away my freedom of speech? I don’t think so.

  164. 164 Hoka Hawg Oct 16th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Jeri,

    Your not being nice…………. 🙁

  165. 165 Cleatis Cleghorn & O'Riley Oct 17th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    RE: BD

    John White, we are still waiting for your comments. I have a son-in-law that was one of the finishers and I can tell you he wasn’t offered anything close to what he deserved to get. Jim told the qualifing finishers that he didn’t have the money to pay them. Yes, under the rules of the “Challenge” I’m not supposed to say anything about Durham, Beth, or Hoka Hey that is not shown in a good light but I would like to know how they plan to stop me. Have my son-in-law sign away my freedom of speech? I don’t think so.
    —————————————————————————————————————————————

    If what you are saying is that these organizers KNEW before hand that they didn’t have the funds to cover their race and that they “offered” the WINNERS chump change instead…

    Well…..That in itself constitutes FRAUD!

    Another thing….

    As I have SUSPECTED all along, Jim and Beth and ASSOCIATES handed out chump change to Barclay last year as well with the expectation that he would be re-imbursed this year.

    Please BD….

    Share more with Cyril’s reader!

    WE ARE ALL EARS!

    THE FLOOR BELONGS TO YOU!
    C.C. & M.O.

  166. 166 Dazed N Confused Oct 17th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    BD, ask your SIL if there were forms signed at the meeting when they received the $10K and if the forms were preprinted.

  167. 167 Danny902 Oct 17th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    As mentioned before the signed contract contains illegal clauses, so all the contract is void. Participants can do and say what they want, including to the medias. The $10,000 “expenses refund” can’t be given under any restrictive conditions. So whatever you signed is also void.

  168. 168 BD Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    My wife has chaistised me today and told me that I’ve said too much already. It is true as she pointed out that I did not hear JD say he didn’t have the money but I can use my brain to figure this out. If the numbers on the Tracking system were correct, there only appeared to be about 148 riders and I would be willing to bet that not all of them paid the $1000.00. That would not come close to paying the first 11 finishers. Sure the dealerships paid to get to be a check point (So I’ve been told) and they sold T-shirts but that is no where close to what the payouts should have been.

  169. 169 Cleatis Cleghorn & O'Riley Oct 17th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    To BD

    I would like to convey to you that if you are being in ANY WAY THREATENED AND/OR COERCED into keeping quiet in exchange for future revenue and/or peace of mind and/or the threat of physical violence and/or property destruction, you can be rest assured that under provisions of the law, any threat to you, your family, your friends, (i.e. associates) will be dealt with accordingly. If you’d like to correspond privately, Let Cyril know and I’m sure he will direct you in the appropiate direction, where contacting my firm and I are concerned.

    DO NOT lose one minutes sleep worrying about retaliation from these people as they will soon have a smorgasboard of plaintiffs concerning their ILLEGAL R~A~C~E as well as contributary negligence where three (3) people died last year.

    Sincerely,
    C.C. & M.O.

  170. 170 Wally Oct 17th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    It’s ironic that the HHC with their stringent rules about drugs and law breaking should have someone with warrants representing them. http://www.mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Charlotte-County-FL/Whittany-Alexandria-Crum/details/?mid=5067

  171. 171 Jeri Oct 17th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    BD. You did not hear; but, your SIL did. Please encourage him to tell his story if not to us…the South Dakota Attorney General! Ray Klinger is the investigator and is anxious to speak to those with first hand information. Blessings,

  172. 172 Jeri Oct 17th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    C.C. & M.O.

    Two good men died last year. Chuck Lynn and Kenneth Greene. I sure hope you have contacted Ms. Lynn. She needs someone to step up and help her!!!! Blessings,

  173. 173 Wally Oct 17th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    To BD

    C.C. & M.O. is right. You have nothing to worry about. Telling the truth is not illegal. JD and BD don’t have a leg to stand on. They made people sign papers to scare them quiet. From JD’s own words in print the money given out was for travel expenses, not hush money. Please keep talking and help us expose these evil scammers.

  174. 174 Jeri Oct 17th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    I don’t care how Jim tried to cover his butt. After the past two years…there is enough evidence to prosecute him in civil and criminal court. Now the question would be whether or not the authorities in charge are going to pursue them. The state of FL was struggling for $$ to prosecute F1 felonies. Is it worth the SD AG or SD SA? The more that speak out, the more pressured they will be to go forward. I’m praying!

  175. 175 Felicity Oct 17th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    To C.C. & M.O.

    Jeri is right. Two good men did die last year simply to put $2000.00 in JD and BD’s bank account. Is a life worth $1000.00? Please don’t go away and please help us and their families get closure. You’re the first ray of sunshine in this dark place we’ve been in since this horror began last summer. I thank you for giving us hope.

  176. 176 Felicity Oct 17th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    BTW, I’m boycotting Harley Davidson till they quit hobnobbing with the Hoka Hey Challenge. I can’t give anyone my business that promotes the HHC.

  177. 177 BD Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    No threats have been made or directed at me personally but thanks CC and MO. I’ll have to give some thought to all of your suggestions. An interesting thing to me was: If JD planned on paying anyone why were the glass trophies ready for the awards ceremony indicating that the guys were finishers but not winners? Why did JD accuse Will Barclay of cheating this year and last year? Why would it take a year to decide he cheated in 2010? Will has been all over the internet and at numerous bike rallies promoting the Hoka Hey. Why turn on him all of a sudden? The finishers this year were given polygraphs before the awards, just in case you were wondering. I feel right sorry for my son-in-law and alot of the others. They have fallen for this warrior BS and think that JD and Beth have nothing but respect for them.

  178. 178 Dazed N Confused Oct 17th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    BD,

    Your questions are consistent with the actions that we have witnessed for a long time form JD and BD. Your observation about the trophy is consistent with your conclusion. That is why I am curious as to whether or not JD came to that meeting prepared with pre-printed forms. I suspect that he did because he knew how the meeting was going to turn out.

    The fact that the trophies were prepared ahead of time indicates that JD KNEW exactly how it was going to go down. It would be hard to pass up $10K after having sunk at least $5K into entry fees, transportation, gas, tires etc in the HH.

    Please encourage your SIL to contact the SD AG.

  179. 179 Cleatis Cleghorn & O'Riley Oct 18th, 2011 at 7:57 am

    To: All concerned

    Patience is a virtue and revenge is a dish best served ice cold.

    Stay strong my fellow Harley enthusist as the day of reckoning approaches and with it brings truth!

    C.C. & M.O.

  180. 180 Jeri Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:02 am

    BD: I feel right sorry for my son-in-law and alot of the others. They have fallen for this warrior BS and think that JD and Beth have nothing but respect for them.

    I think your mistaking respect with empathy! MAYBE…..just maybe Beth has a little empathy; but, RESPECT? How do you respect someone your planning to rip off? NO…no respect coming from the warrior headquarters. Besides…you have to have SELF RESPECT before you can respect anyone else.

  181. 181 Jeri Oct 18th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    This is consuming way too much of my time and energy….pressing on! Thank you for all that are willing to pursue truth. I hope that ALL riders take note of the past events related to the HHMRACE and take appropriate action. Blessings,

  182. 182 Cleatis Cleghorn & O'Riley Oct 18th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    @ Jeri

    Just slow down Ma’am….

    I belong to an information & technology firm where we aquire information and forward it to the propper authoritys.

    Hang in there!

    Continue to do what you are doing as long as you aren’t call Marty Jackley’s (South Dakota Attorney General) every five minutes to where he can’t step out for lunch w/o hearing from you, just sit tight!

    We are confident the Durham’s and associates have given themselves ample rope to hang themselves and that Everything will come out in the wash, But PLEASE be patient as these things take time!

    C.C. & M.O.

  183. 183 Jeri Oct 18th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Office of the Attorney General
    Marty J Jackley
    Division of Consumer Protection
    1302 E Hwy 14
    Pierre, SD 57501-8503

    Attn: Ray Klinger
    Investigator
    605-773-4400
    http://www.state.sd.us/atg

  184. 184 RICO ACT 1970 Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Durham was NOT, to my knoweledge or anyone elses, a Navy SEaL, he left the Navy as an E-1. https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/139750192720340/290273327668025/?notif_t=group_activity~also, now Durham is a Cheyenne Warrior??????

    http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1174.htm . Then scroll down to James G. Durham

  185. 185 Felicity Oct 19th, 2011 at 5:32 am

    Thanks C.C. & M.O.!
    )))kiss((( ^ _ ^ )))kiss(((

  186. 186 Lavada Guilmette Oct 19th, 2011 at 6:18 am

    I should say, youve got 1 of the best blogs Ive noticed in a lengthy time. What I wouldnt give to be capable of create a weblog thats as interesting as this. I guess Ill just have to maintain reading yours and hope that one day I can write on a subject with as substantially knowledge as youve got on this one!

  187. 187 tokyomike Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    I have a friend that was in the recent hhc event, he loved the ride. He kind of lives for that s&*$. I built his bike and I take great pride in the fact he came in second. He wants to do it again, ( I wouldn’t call him crazy, but) We have talked about the 2012 event, with in hours of his finishing. I belive that there is a way to let these riders compete over long distances and for prize money, with in the law and safe. As a kid in the ’60s my parents competed in events that where timed and had check points. If you came into a check early, you lost points. If you came into a check point late, you lost points. Set arrival times and staggard start times. My opinion of the promoter, well?

  188. 188 Felicity Oct 19th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Hi tokyomike! In theory what you say could happen if the the race was deigned for having an actual winner but it’s not. The race is designed so every participant will be disqualified. This is Jim and Beth Durham’s livelihood. They live on the prize money. If there’s a winner then they don’t get their paycheck. No legit race will ever happen if they’re in charge.

  189. 189 tokyomike Oct 19th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Felicity, now you are just being ,well. It can happen weather the Durham’s are involved or not, that’s up to the riders, right?

  190. 190 Wally Oct 19th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    It’s ironic that the HHC with their stringent rules about drugs and law breaking should have someone with warrants representing them. http://www.mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Charlotte-County-FL/Whittany-Alexandria-Crum/details/?mid=5067

    The above is Miss Hoka Hey’s mug shots. Harley Davidson gave her a 2011 pearl white Street Glide provided by Rocky Mount Harley-Davidson who said this about her:

    “Whittany Crum, in our view, is a great representative of young female riders in the Harley-Davidson industry and we welcome her as part of our rider family.”

    The Harley dealership expressed pride in sponsoring “Miss Hoka Hey, Whittany Crum to be riding for ‘Team Rocky Mount Harley-Davidson’ in this year’s challenge.

  191. 191 BD Oct 21st, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    I have contacted the SD Attorney General’s office with what I know. John White, why so quiet, hasn’t JD told you what to say yet?

  192. 192 Felicity Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:30 am

    tokyomike
    Oct 19th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
    Felicity, now you are just being ,well. It can happen weather the Durham’s are involved or not, that’s up to the riders, right?

    To tokyomike:

    All I know is that it’s a fact that Jim and Beth Durham ran dirty races 2 years in a row. How is it that the responsibility of the riders?

  193. 193 Wally Oct 24th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
  194. 194 badinfluence63 Nov 2nd, 2011 at 2:07 am

    Not for nothing there are no surprises here. The organizers and the way the event was organized last year was at best suspect, all due respect to the participants. The events organizers this year seemed to have taken the organizational skull duggery to a new technological smoke and mirrors level and at the expense of the sincere and serious minded participants. Something kinda smelled last year and the stench is a little more noticable this year.

    You buys your ticket and you take your chances.

    Please notice that the burden of the mistakes of the organizers seem to continually be taken out on the backs of the participants rather then they who organized fouled up??? How convenient.

    Hows that go? Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me…..

  195. 195 Wally Nov 6th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Disgruntled riders should file a complaint at Scambook:

    http://www.scambook.com/search

  196. 196 READ THIS!!! Name is SGT T Nov 10th, 2011 at 2:59 am

    GREED , weve all heard ” if it sounds too good to be true…. I also wanted do a Nation Wide Run !!!! FOR CHARITY- 100.00 per bike, one up or two up doesnt matter from west coast to east coast hitting every bad ass motorcycle twisty and straight away along the way. But since my dreams ambition wasnt to earn a buck or give out prize money few people wanted to participate.No multi thousand dollar prizes no interest.

    Come Ride with me this summer and help me make this happen. I say we all put our heads together and our love of riding and come up with a route and contact places that would be supportive of bikers along the route giving us discounts on places to stay, eat and party.

    A CROSS COUNTRY ROLLING RALLY were we could all meet up and share some good times at the end of each day of riding. Most importantly lets do it for REAL charities of our choosing that we will send our money to minus a voted on article showing our participation. EVERY $ raised will go straight to charity minus the atta boy gift saying you took part. Nobody gets paid or keeps any money raised and no prizes.

    Bikers riding for a good cause, meeting new and old friends, riding safe within a reasonable daily ride time and distance and getting together at the end of the day sharing each others camp fires and tall tales. About me, Im a US Army Iraq Veteran 2003-2005 born and raised in the USA, a proud VET , gainfully employed, a no bullshit type of guy that still believes in words like HONOR, DUTY, SERVICE and RESPECT. lets go riding this summer 2012, join me riding cross country or just for a day or two doesnt mattter eithier way. If interested I can be contacted at miket0301@yahoo.com and yes that my real email.

  197. 197 Hark Jan 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Cyril,

    You have done a great job the past two years covering this story. I have read most of the post for 2011. It appears…this is just one big scam. The thing that stands out the most is the fact that the ride was impossable to complete in the time allowed without speeding. Durham new this…and scamed the bikers again. I hope this is the end of his scams…boycott the 2013 HOKA HEY…is what I SAY>

  198. 198 Tim Menzie Jan 20th, 2012 at 1:15 am

    As a rider and the #39 finisher of the 2011 Hoka Hey I can tell you we got exactly what we signed up for…”The Ride of a Lifetime”. The challenge was run as advertised and the rules were adhered to as stated verbally and in print. The GPS didn’t disqualify the top 11 riders. We were told it wouldn’t be used against us from the start, but we were also informed that we would be given a lie detector test for all finishers in the prize money. To each riders credit when they were asked the question “Did you travel at speeds (20+ over the limit) considered by most states to be reckless driving they all replied “Yes” and thy were aware that this was in violation of the rules of the race and therefore disqualified from prize money.

    It was a tremendous “Challenge” nearly 14,000 miles. Every rider I met before during and after the ride was there to be the part of something great!…. which is exactly what it was. We’re not there for the prize money, we could care less. You could take a scrap piece of wood and write on it with a sharpie “Hoka Hey Winner 2012” and we’ll all plunk down another grand and line up at the starting line for the honor of participating.

    Another thing…. coordinating, planning and the logistics of this ride is a huge undertaking and the Durham’s have a right to earn a living by organizing this race. You would have to be a fool to believe it all goes in their pocket. There’s considerable expenses to putting on this event and the last I knew this is America where you have a right to earn a profit. We got what we paid for…. funny that none of us that competed in the challenge are complaining or running to the authorities. All were doing is preparing to ride in the Hoka Hey 2012.

    So my challenge to all of you who like to run your yaps about something you know very little of….Put your money where yer mouth is. Meet me in Las Vegas and see if your ass can ride 6,000 miles in a week to the Statue of Liberty and get there before I do. I’ll be at the starting line waiting. The real riders will join me. The candy asses will point fingers, make excuses and stay home.

  199. 199 Kelly Perkins Feb 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Right on the money Tim(excuse the pun)—call them out.Here in the USA you can do what makes you happy.Next they will be after Walt Disney’s estate for charging so much for children having fun with thier parents-and high lodging and parking costs. I hope Jim and Beth continue thier dream here in America and one day equal Walt Disney.
    Shame on those who attempt to smear Whitney’s reputation.Evan Bill Clinton “did not inhale”.Evan Jesus Christ said”let he who has not sinned cast the 1st stone”. White Buffalo Calf Woman “come-an you shall have what you want”
    Let us ride-to our death- Hoka Hey

  200. 200 Far Rider Mar 4th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Tim, It didn’t really happen as you said, not all the top 11 agreed that they had gone 20mph over the limit. There were repeated efforts to use the trackers to disqualify. The Polygraphs were a joke.

    By the way, it was very possible to complete the entire course, in the time limit, without excessive speeding as defined by the organizers. No scam there.

    This was a great event. It will never be the same, It was initially a “call to warriors” now, In 2012, it is “everybody’s a winner” It was possibly the greatest motorcycle event ever. Let’s see what it becomes.

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