To The Law Officer Who Has Stopped My Vehicle… To Print And Keep In Your Wallet?

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  1. 1 Brutus Apr 17th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Thank you Cyril.

  2. 2 Steve Carr Apr 17th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Yeah….that should do the trick!

    If I were a police officer and someone read this to me, the first thing I would do is call for backup, cause this person has a problem with law enforcement and they have something to hide.

    Steve Carr

  3. 3 BluDog Apr 17th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Be careful applying such absolute strategies in the real world or you can turn a simple traffic stop likely involving a civil citation or even a warning into an arrest for resisting an officer without violence. Might win in court after being booked and bonded out and paying a lawyer. Most LEOs are folks with a job their trying to do and running the risk of getting shot in the process who respond very favorably to being treated with common decency.

  4. 4 Reggie Apr 17th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    I guess Cyril doesn’t necessarily recommend to do this. He placed a ? after To Print And Keep In Your Wallet.

  5. 5 deadwood1783 Apr 17th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Just because I do not wish to be searched without cause or reason does not mean I have something to hide. Thinking like that led to the rise of Hitler. Show me your papers boy! Countless souls have given their lives to protect you from the totalitarian tactics employed all too often against our own citizenry. If you don’t have the guts to stand up for your rights maybe you don’t deserve them.

  6. 6 Loki Apr 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Really? I can’t believe the responses I see here. Never, never ever say anything to the police other than what is printed above. They are not asking you questions for the fun of it. It is an investigative tool for their use only. Everything you say can be used against you and nothing you say can be used for your own defense. They can and will use your words as evidence, period. There
    Is a reason citizens have fought and died for your rights. Don’t piss them away. Police do have a job to do and that is to use every trick in the book to put you away. I strongly suggest you take a few minutes to view the following two videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE

  7. 7 Fred Apr 17th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    This could be the difference between getting a verbal warning and having your bike or car scrutinzed for every possible violation. No thanks.

  8. 8 Matt Apr 17th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Will have to memorize it since I probably won’t have my hands available to read the 2nd half =).

  9. 9 zyon Apr 17th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    I get the whole “cops are out to put you away” so “F” the man and fight back… I also know that if I get pulled over on my way to work, simply reading the text provided is guaranteed to make me late for work. How hard is it to say, “yes officer, I’m on my way to work. This is bob, a co-worker. If I was speeding I’m sorry and i’ll pay better attention from now on.

    if he gives you a ticket and you were speeding, suck it up!!!!! You DESERVE the ticket! We have laws, you broke one and you know beforehand what the penalty is… then again, those who complain about this likely think we shouldn’t have any traffic laws because that infringes on their right to be lawless.

    I speed every day and on the occasion when I get busted (like I did on rt95 three years ago doing 95 I simply paid the ticket. it’s not the cops fault he clocked me speeding and pulled me over, it was my fault. It has nothing to do with your “RIGHTS” not to answer a cops questions. It has everything to do with the fact that you think you’re cool by trying to stick it to the man…

    If you want to pay a few grand in fines and lawyer fees, be my guest and read this to a cop… you know… the one that’s got his hand on his gun because he has to deal with a-holes like this on a daily basis. For those posting youtube videos of cops… post a few where a cop walks up to speak to a driver and gets shot….

  10. 10 The Supreme Team Apr 17th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Best words of advice…most cops are just “doing their job”. Though way too many have a God complex, most of them just want to get through their shift alive and go home to their families.
    Nobody likes an insubordinate employee or a co-worker that screws up their day, so treat them like you would if you were meeting them out of uniform and you’ll probably end up getting off a lot easier.

    I’m not telling anybody to kiss anybody’s ass…just saying it’s best to choose your words wisely and the defiance bit isn’t always the best choice. I’ve talked my way out of WAYYYY more tickets than I’ve ever received.

  11. 11 Mad River Motor Company Apr 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    If you’re gonna pull this, and I have, make sure you have a video or audio recording running, and have a cell phone nearby to call 911 – had a gun drawn on me and if weren’t for the dispatcher on the other end I might have been dead….

  12. 12 GuitarSlinger Apr 17th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Unfortunately under the ( ahem ) Patriot Act that message [ as Constitutionally Valid as it may be ] could earn you a quick trip to the County Jail for a thorough interrogation : along with an ‘ Instant ‘ search warrant and a complete tear down ( or worse … apart ) of your vehicle , along with a night on the City in their less than finest facilities . Or even worse at the Feds little local resort .

    Read the book ” What We’ve Lost “; byGraydon Carter – to better understand just how limited our ‘ Constitutional ‘ rights are these days .

    Then recognize that there’s a vast chasm between ‘ Sucking Up ‘ and ‘ Playing it Smart ‘ use a bit of discretion , and as TST said above ” chose your words wisely ”

    The consequences aren’t worth what ever ‘ Political ‘ Statement you may be trying to make that no one else will ever hear .

    Trust me , for reasons I’m unwilling to divulge I know this all to well ….. and it is Fact

  13. 13 Loki Apr 17th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Zyon:

    The videos are classroom footage from a lawyer and police investigator. I have used the tactics mentioned in these videos and yes it pissed off the cop (too bad officer) and yes I didn’t become a @#$*ing sheep.

  14. 14 Rider2 Apr 17th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Be very careful with this… cops are just doing their jobs… doing what is suggested here will get you in more trouble than you think. Gotta love the way laws and civil rights are set up but unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way in the real world. What is written above would probably get you tased and arrested. It would cost you a lot more to defend yourself (may I remind everybody that a lawyer costs between $300 and $600/hr) than paying the damn ticket and go away. Unfortunately, this is how it works.

  15. 15 Retired LEO Apr 17th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Cyril, anyone that takes your advice is more likely to cost themselves far more pain and money than not. Its one thing for a criminal to assert these rights. And they should. Far too often, officers judge a person by what they say. If they sound like a criminal… well, you get it. To be honest with you, even a criminal that is civil and polite is less likely to get jacked up. If you really want to give criminals advice, tell them to dress properly, not drive a low-rider when transporting a trunkload of drugs and really, just don’t be the profile. Be courteous. Have a proper license, insurance, etc. Don’t have outstanding warrants. Don’t have passengers that are dirtbags that need to be identified…
    Its easy for you to tell people how to act on a traffic stop… How many times has this worked for you or anyone you’ve advised??

  16. 16 Cyril Huze Apr 17th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    To Retired LEO. See my question mark in my headline? As a matter of fact I don’t recommend to do it. So, why I published this document? Because many asked me and I think it was better to create the debate, to publish the reactions above (including those of LEO’s) and let each of my readers decide.

  17. 17 BrotherTiberius Apr 17th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    I used to be a police officer.

    I am currently a lawyer. I have done criminal defense in the past.

    As a cop and a lawyer, I realized those words are a summary of your legal rights (just as they are mine as well).

    Attitude is everything though. If I had a reason to stop you in the first place, and you read a card like that to me I would be immediately suspicious.

    I wouldn’t assume that you were necessarily a criminal. I would think though that you are a little more tightly wound than necessary.

    And while I wouldn’t be looking to lay hands on you, my experiences have taught me that the way you respond to me may indicate that you are more likely to fight, if it comes to that.

    And my goal, at the end of my shift, was to go home to my wife, be able to see my family, and my friends.

    I would believe that 98% of the bikers (and general population) that I encountered are good decent people. 1% may be the 1% bikers, and an additional 1% may just be @$$hats that are going to fight with me in the first place.

    YMMV, do what you’d like, but if there’s a middle ground between reading that card verbatim and answering every LE question, I think you’d be better to find the middle ground.

  18. 18 Doc Apr 17th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Thanks Cyril, unfortunately, I already “fit the description”…the mods on my bike are just icing on the cake. For the record, I was never one to “enjoy” a traffic stop (as I was usually issued a citation in the past) but in recent years, I can honestly say that I have been let off with either a warning (sometimes about something unrelated to why I was allegedly pulled over) or just a cool conversation with someone who may like bikes and simply want to shoot the s#it – even when i should get a citation and after he’s run my plates. I now try to see LEO as regular guys just doing their job and it has luckily worked out for me with more positive experiences than negative ones. The last thing you should do is be a dick…getting tazed or shot sucks…and guess what guys, many of us do fit the description. LOL!!!

  19. 19 TigerLily Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    I know I have the “right” but often not the “ability” to say nothing. Therefore, after many hours of riding and cleansing my mind, I have decided to say three words if and when stopped by a cop. With a recorder in my hand, I was say, “Talk to the recorder.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7eGjueUGQ

  20. 20 Kroeter Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Maybe he was just pulling you over to give you free tickets to the ballgame because you were driving so nicely.

  21. 21 Jeff Nicklus Apr 17th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    You can bet one thing for sure ….. you start off the encounter with LE and you will lose a hour of your time and maybe your freedom. As soon as you read the card the stop will go something like this:

    LE: “ License and Insurance card please.”

    Perp: “Here, and don’t forget I am not telling you crap nor am I answering any of your questons!”

    LE: “The reason I stopped you is because I tracked you doing 45 mph in a 30 mph zone. Set here and I will be right back.”

    LE calls for back up as he runs the Perp’s license for Wants & Warrants.

    LE: As back up arrives LE again approaches the Perp and says: When I first stopped you I picked up on the heavy smell of Marianna. Is there and drugs, guns or anything I need to know about in this vehicle?

    Perp: I already told you I am not saying anything to you.”

    LE: “Please step out of the vehicle sir.” LE opens the car door for the Perp extraction.

    Now with the “alleged smell” of the weed probable case exists to bring the “Dogs” on site for a walk around. Maybe calling for another 30-45 minutes before the drug dog arrives. In the interim the other occupants of the vehicle are removed, identified and searched and all four are hand cuffed and placed on the curb to await the drug dog.

    Now what happens should the dog “hit” on something …. a full fledged search of the vehicle is warranted at that time. Now you better pray to God there is nothing found or “planted” during the search because if there is most likely all in the vehicle will be going to jail until “everything is straighten out”.

    Even if the dog does not “hit” on anything you have still killed an hour or longer because the “Perp” had to be a badass and read his little card. As Brother Tiberius said: “ YMMV, do what you’d like, but if there’s a middle ground between reading that card verbatim and answering every LE question, I think you’d be better to find the middle ground.”

    Sometimes discursion is the better part of valor in my opinion.

    Just my take on it anyway …….

    Over & Out,

    Jeff

  22. 22 Jeff Nicklus Apr 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Whooops … that should read: “discretion” not “discursion” …… brain fart on my part!

    Over & Out,

    Jeff

  23. 23 UnknownRider Apr 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    I have always been very civil with any LEO I have ever encountered, and I have never had any problems I didn’t deserve I did on past long ago occassion had a warant and went to jail for that, that excluded . I have always been civil and cooperative towards every LEO and they to me. I do have modified vehicles (evey one of them) but never have been hassled about vehicles or lic or anything as said before LE is a tougher job than most people realize, and they just want to go home safetly at the end of the shift.
    I am not saying there are not $%^hats that should not be LEO, but there are a%%hats everywhere. I am just going to go about and keep treating everyone LEO included with respect and courtesy that everyone deserves including them. KHARMA People KHARMA what goes around . . . . .. . .

  24. 24 CafeSportyTC Apr 17th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    i guess my comment would go along with Zyons, show some personal responsibility, Integrity, and courtesy and they’ll treat you like the decent human being you are…or are not….

  25. 25 Iron Horse Apr 17th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Gotta agree with zyon, UnknownRider and several others. All of the times that I’ve been stopped, I was doing something wrong. Being courteous to the officer has always worked for me…even when I got a ticket, most gave me a break on the infraction. As most have noted, LEO just wants to go home at the end of their shift in one piece and without incident or putting up with a bunch of crap.

  26. 26 Eric Maurer Apr 17th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    if someone does this…. please, please, please, have your passenger record it and post on YouTube, I am sure you will get a ton of views and if you sell some advertising space, you may make enough to:

    1. pay your ticket(s)
    2. get your car out of impound
    3. bail out your passenger
    4. cover your atty fees
    5. pay your insurance deductable for the damage the tow company did to your ride
    6. cover any medical bills from when you “tripped” on your way to the city jail.

    mainly, it would just be funny as hell to see what happens ot the person reading this to the officer.

  27. 27 Vince Apr 17th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    The Patriot Act eliminated just about all our rights. Do any of those things mentioned above and you will ruin any fun you had planned.

  28. 28 rob Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:10 am

    I too am a retired leo(nyc).When i encountered anyone who was either very hostile or very nice,it would raise me up .Unless you committed an offense that could have caused serious inury or property damage, there was a very good chance of you leaving without a ticket as long as you were legit. But if you came off with an attitude there is no doubt you would be dealt with differently.As professional as most cops are,we/they are only human,no one is perfect. As far as video goes,it may be worse for you as a jury/ judge can see first hand that you might seem to come off as confrontational or maybe just an asshole using the above written advice…………………………just sayin………………..

  29. 29 Borther Tiberius Apr 18th, 2012 at 6:38 am

    Thanks for the words Jeff.

    To be honest, as a former cop, I didn’t really care all that much about bike or vehicle mods. I could have enforced on that on a number of stops (on cars mostly), but I was really more interested in keeping traffic flowing than writing a citation for equipment violations. But if I had a reason to stop you, what you said wasn’t going to affect your ticket; I almost always had that decision made when I got out of the squad car. If I asked you how fast you were going, and you responded, or responded with “I will not speak to you about that”, both of those things were easy to write into a court report.

    The one thing that might get you stopped, as a biker, or a youngster with their modified car, were your pipes or your music system. As a biker, I understand that you want to be heard, and that loud can keep you alive. But loud on the highway is an entirely different matter than loud pulling into/out of a tavern, and also a very different matter when riding through a residential area that’s posted at 25 or 30 mph. Lay off the throttle in town, it’s easy enough and makes everyone, including the homeowner in that sleepy town, happier.

    “Shut up. Don’t be an asshole.” My dad told me this when I was 12; I’ve since taken it as good advice on how not to get myself in trouble. You only need to do one of those things, and 99% of the trouble isn’t going to find you in the first place, and you can still voice your opinion to government easily enough.

  30. 30 Knucklehead Apr 18th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Brother T, I don’t have a problem with getting pulled over when I’m wrong. But a few years ago at 1:10 AM I got pulled over. I knew the cop was behind me. So I was donig 53 in a 55. Sure as a sun rise the lights go on. I ask”I knew you were behind me. Why did you pull me over?” Cop “You were weaving!!” I was not. Had it been differant hours and I had time I’d of like to have read this.

  31. 31 Wade Apr 18th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Legally, know your rights, wing-span searches generally okay (see below), no trunk/back seat without a warrant etc… Best to cooperate and only push back if you think the officer is over reaching. Why would you ask to search my vehicle officer? Why do you feel you have probable cause? PC is huge.

  32. 32 BadMonkeyMW Apr 18th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    It’s sad how many of you tough guy bikers are nothing but cowards in real life. I readily agree with some of the LEO’s that have chimed in here that it only makes sense to be reasonable and respectful towards a police officer that has pulled you over, as they just doing their job. What I believe in even more strongly though is knowing your rights and not throwing them away because you’re too scared to exercise them.

    Some of you too obviously are pissing down your leg and crying like a little girl when pulled over, you don’t deserve the rights of an American citizen. The text that Cyril printed is a very solid blueprint of the rights you should understand and have the courage to uphold when dealing with law enforcement. I agree that a good middle ground between just handing over a card and otherwise answering every question the cop asks is the right thing to do. The rest of you sheep that would just bend over and allow your rights to be trampled should go ahead and sell your bikes and hide in your houses, leave the real world to the men.

    And before you ask, I’ve been in these situations several times and I’ve always stood up for my rights. Never been to jail once.

  33. 33 Internet Tough Guy Apr 18th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    BaldMonkey…I’m sure glad there’s guys like you out there to prove how manly you are…LOL.
    Who’s bending over and pissing their pants?
    It’s called respecting the law and so long as your rights aren’t “being trampled”, then you’ve got nothing to worry about.
    People I grew up with who are cops are just normal people, hanging out, having a beer, enjoying life, and in fact, a few of them are people who I ride with. They happen to be the same people I was smoking pot with 25 years ago too. They’re simply doing their job making sure “hardcore” bikers such as you aren’t violating any laws, and if you’re not…then no worries.
    I bet you’re that guy that yells at the girl at McDonald’s for getting your chicken nugget order wrong, but then again, that’s when she spits in your french fries….because she was simply trying to do her job and had some jagoff like you pull up to the window to ruin her day. It’s good to know you’re out there standing up for my rights too…nobody should mess up my happy meal.

  34. 34 Walt Lumpkin Apr 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    It is interesting to note the responses above that suggest you take the bend over and take it posture when confronted with instrusive questions. Conversely the opposing in your face approach seems to me to be as bad.

    Over the years I have had friends and family in law enforcement (Treasury down to the local beat) and most are/were just regular guys and gals. A few were wild cards that should have never passed the initial interview but somehow got a badge. Just as in our community there will always be that one or two percent that are just bad news. The problem with the badge holders is they are presumed to always tell the truth and are considered in the right. Don’t hold those bad apples against the rest.

    My hackles are raised when a stranger intrudes into my personal business and and starts to ask personal questions. It is no different when a cop stops me. However, I use what little common sense I possess and reactly politely. Especially if I was pulled over for a legitimate reason.

    Case in point I was stopped several months a go in SE Alabama. The state trooper said he clocked me at 78 in a 65. It was on a four lane divided highway and I told the trooper I disagreed with his radar. I told him I had the cruise set at 70 and I knew it was correct.

    He was a young guy, very polite without being patronizing. He ran the plates/license, asked several general questions that weren’t out of line. He then gave me the lecture, with tongue in cheek, about the speed limit being 65, how it was a holiday weekend with a lot of traffic and for us to be safe and enjoy the weekend. No ticket, no warning.

    Not a bad experience because as some of the officers stated above, attitude goes a long way toward resolving the situation favorably for both parties. Then there is the story about the time 40 years ago I had to write my own ticket because the officer was so illiterate he couldn’t even copy my information off of my license. I’ll save that one for later.

  35. 35 Blackmax Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Both opinions are valid, you’re damned if you do & you’re damned if you don’t …..
    The onething I know for sure, is something my parents taught me long ago.
    “You dont; win an argument with a cop, in the street, you will always Lose” !!!!!

    You can fight for your rights but you can also, be polite about it
    I have found that being polite to anyone usually ends up a lot better than being rude
    (especially if they have a badge, a gun & you’re all alone on the highway with no witnesses)

    That’s why they have review boards

  36. 36 Martin Twofeather Apr 18th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    It’s worth the try!

  37. 37 bigitch Apr 18th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    answer every question with a question.

    example:
    Q: do you have any drugs on you?
    A: do you ask everyone that question?
    Q: where do you work?
    A: you offering me a job?
    Q: do you know how fast you were going?
    A: what is the speed limit?
    Q: are you trying to be a smart ass?
    A: do you think i’m trying?

    as long as you ask questions about their questions, it keeps them off their game.

  38. 38 .357 Magnum Apr 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    “Thanks” to all the former and current LEOs who have only confirmed that South Park episode in which Cartman goes around on his Big Wheel, demanding everyone “respect mah authoritaah!” That truly is the mentality of most of you, I guess. “Be respectful!” “Be courteous!” Yes, we will, but not because you’ve EARNED it, but only because you’re in a position to abuse your authority, and the recourse is too expensive for most people to bother to pursue it. “Thanks” also to those former LEOs who have given very straightforward descriptions of the ways you abuse that authority; that’s very candid of you.

    “Just doing your jobs,” huh? Keep yelling it louder; everyone who knows how that worked for the prison camp guards at the Nuremberg trials is snickering at you as you type. Yeah, we’ll keep feeding your little egos while you’re standing there demanding it at the point of a gun, but keep in mind what you’re doing for the ACTUAL level of respect we have for you and your colleagues. Is that what you want for yourselves? Is that the esteem in which you wish to be held, really?

  39. 39 Bigalyts Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Folks AS one said before me “The Patriot Act” has removed our rights. The Patriot Act was actually written in either 1989 or 1990? The Government is run for 9 pm to 6 am. Those are the Boys that make the Laws, Enforce the Laws and Apply the Laws as they see fit. We are losing all of our rights. The last thing I am going to do right now is give any of the Nice Guys and Guys that want to go home to their Familys those 98% of the LEO good guys any reason to move up the LEO LAdder. Dude, 99% of the Cop’s are Pricks and 2% of them are the “Regular Guys”. Don’t you ever think any different! To comment on the 4th and 5th Amendment Rights they are only our RIGHTS WHEN WE ARE ON TV AND THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS WATCHING. A MORON would use that peice of paper for anything but a scrap peice to put your used Gum in.

  40. 40 Lyn Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Interesting post Cyril… thanks for the discussion topic.

    I think this operates under the assumption that everyone who gets pulled over is being wrongly accused. Look at the wording “alleged”?? The fact is, majority of people who are pulled over WERE in fact violating a traffic law. Yes it can be a bit annoying when a PO asks that “do you know why I pulled you over” damned if I do damned if I don’t question…. but in many cases they’ll approach you – tell you exactly why they’re pulling you over, and not ask any further questions. MAYBE they’ll ask where you were headed – but how exactly are they going to use that information against you? Unless you’re headed to somewhere or to some activity that is illegal – I highly doubt anyone is going to use “on my way home/to work/a friends house” to lock you up. What’s the PO going to say? “Judge, this man was on his way to WORK! I rest my case!!!!” Lock em up!!! seriously????

    What is the first thing that’s going to make you look suspicious? Avoidance.
    Can you imagine asking your significant other, have you been cheating on me?
    If they respond, “I refuse to talk about this.” – hello, don’t you pretty much assume there’s something fishy going on??

    If you truly believe you’re being pulled over for no reason, how about politely saying, “With all do respect, I do not believe I have violated any laws.” In which case, they will probably inform you that you have the right to protest the ticket in court.

    And show some appreciation… do you know how many more fatal driving accidents (particularly pertaining to alcohol) would have occurred if an officer had not pulled those violators over??

  41. 41 tejasandre Apr 20th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    do you know why i pulled you over?

    random doughnut search?

  42. 42 Wiz Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Whenever I get pulled over [alot, I’m sorry to say] it’s “Yes Sir, No Sir” ‘an try to get them talkin’ about some common ground like “Nice gun, is that a .357 magnum, got a Ruger myself back at home.” or “Man, how did ya get them boots so shiney?” Once they let down their “Us vs Them” attitude, your just a coupla guys talkin’. Along side the road they got the full deck ‘an all you got is a deuce! What you say in the next five minutes can determine the next five years! Yer “Rights” are something to be argued in court later on by a lawyer, you ain’t got nuthin’ with just the two of you out there. You hear guys sayin’ “I don’t take no crap from cops!” Yeah fella, the jails are full of like-thinking clowns like you! Wiz

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