Looks like one-piece steel forging, which means two-piece rods, automotive-style. Probably also means insert bearings instead of roller bearings, somewhat larger oil pump, higher oil pressure. No crank truing or shifting (or welding). Still single pin. Still knife and fork big ends? BFD indeed!
The real questions are if it will connect to a cam chain to roll some overhead cams and will it handle 140+ hp/tq. If the answer is yes then we can expect an amazing motor that will build power quickly and is upgradeable without having to rebuild the entire engine and especially the crank. Harley would do well to pay close attention…
@Rodent – assume ‘BFD’ does not = Bidirectional Forwarding Detection, but rather my consensus retort – iow, let us see how we can do the same differently…
I am far more interested in the FEA in the background; and that is not F*** Em All.., nope.., well, at least not until we see the rest of the thing.., it is Finite Element Analysis…
spoke to a couple of reps today showed them the 2010 sturgis prototype they were shocked when i showed it to them so it doesn’t look to be ruled out just yet.
Why isn’t Mike Wolfe brandishing this thing whilst in the midst of tall dead weeds just outside an old rustic barn that’s leaning ever so slightly and that’s slowly decaying down to the ground complete with sunlight peeking through the decades old neglected roof?
@nicker,
As a machinist, I will go out on a limb and guess it IS a forged crank, note the wide “parting line” indicative of forging (casting generally leaves neat, thin, narrow ones). It was quick and easy way we could identify smallblock hop-up parts when junkyarding years ago. And no problem for forging dies to leave letters and/or numbers when the die compaction occurs at or near 90 degrees… again, considering the parting lines on the part, looks like like about 85-87 degrees. Probably a forged crank.
My question is, insert bearings and side-by-side rods with offset pistons? Those clever devils at Polaris have hidden that bit of info from the photo with that conveniently placed display fixture! This crank reminds me very much of the crank in the Mid-USA Powerhouse engine, less the polishing of course.
LMAO… if they do an EVO style or twin cam… every one will say “HARLEY CLONE!!!” .. if they do latest technology, everyone will say ” METRIC!” … even if they did an inline 4 ( which they aren’t presently) , most would have some BS to say about that….Come later this year when they put out a better bike than HD, everyone will scream “TOO EXPENSIVE!”..
Looking forward to seeing these out this summer myself ..
Used in a sentence; The new Indian engine and motorcycle will banish forever dispassionate and dispensable haters filled with malice for all that is new / old that is not their idea.
Long live Indian Motorcycle and the growing legions of followers who have been looking for a unique, premium, and American-made motorcycle to answer their deep lust.
Good times are ahead for the grand brand and the inspiration that it will bring to others…
Looks like they’ve torn down an S&S X-Wedge and are learning from its design. Ride an X-Wedge equipped bike one time and you’ll see what tree stump pullin’ torque feels like.
I was at the international Motorcycle show in Mpls and met the crew from the Indian Twin Cities Dealership. Great crew, all very professional with a lot of Polaris Reps standing behind them. Talking with many of the Polaris Reps, they assured me it wouldn’t be a Harley clone. They don’t want it to be anything LIKE a Harley. But one thing is for sure, they will have a hell of a lot more power THAN a Harley. Where as most people that own Harley’s will have to pay and pay to get that kind of power out of stock Indian. And it still won’t come close. Leaving the Twin Cities Monday morning, just happened to grab the Star Tribune after fueling up, And there’s a ncie little article in there. http://www.startribune.com/business/186570891.html on Indian and the Flagship Dealership now in Polaris’s back yard. Great bikes and great people selling them. I know where i’m getting my newer one.
I don’t know what the heck is in that picture exactly, but just from reading that the Rat hates it makes me know its another bad ass piece of the upcoming all new America’s First Motorcycle. The Legend Lives ! Gobs of power, ton of torque, thats stuff I do understand. I have been told by people I believe that all i’m gonna need to do with my new Indian Motoycycle by Polaris is change the oil and ride the shit outa it. SOLD ,
Indian Motorcycle of Charlotte is gonna get my deposit. They are the real deal, first class Dealership with legit motorcycle enthusiasts running the show. Sounds to me like Since 1901 and a forged crank bitches, is one of my new beer/gas stop comebacks. Thank you Scott Wine, well done. Who gives a Rat’s ass if we know about throttle return mfg. dates, I want mine to carry on the Legacy, haul ass, turn and stop on a dime. I’ll figure out how to change the oil! When I leave a stoplight, all I will care about is knowing second place….is first loser.
I prefer the idea of a plain bearing setup, higher oil pressures, guaranteed lubrication, an abundance of oil pressure for piston squirters so they should desire. Keep that motor cool with a possibility of not turning your theighs to charcoal (for those that may have a complaint against the 103 and 110.) I think we have the beginning of a great motor, especially if you have more conventional rods, greater strength , more power can be transmitted through them. not everyone will be happy about it but , oh well.
my prediction is that if Indian takes off on the right foot this time, we’ll see another Indian 4 cylinder, but not within the first 5 years.
Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy! Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that! Yes, indeed, I certainly have already said that! LOL
All this speculation is meaningless. Polaris will produce a motorcycle with the Indian label. The motorcycle BUYING public will either like it and buy it or pass on it. All the smoke and mirrors is just that. The bottom line is, Will it sell?
Forging dies are made in sets, Buster, Blocker, Finisher, Coin Die, then a trimmer die parts off the excess slag around the parting line. The coin die contains logoes and id numbers and letters in reverse like the AA you see here. Spirit Lake ~ nice work so far so good.
Yep another Vtwin shhoot if I wanted power i would have bought a hond or yamaha vtwin.looks like they are on the wrong track already where is the four…??that most people want to see like somebody else said another clone anything v twin is a clone to me,honda yamaha, polaris,s&s how many fifferent versions of a v twin do we need be inovative build a bad inline four.
BFD!
It’s not an inline 4.
Looks like one-piece steel forging, which means two-piece rods, automotive-style. Probably also means insert bearings instead of roller bearings, somewhat larger oil pump, higher oil pressure. No crank truing or shifting (or welding). Still single pin. Still knife and fork big ends? BFD indeed!
The real questions are if it will connect to a cam chain to roll some overhead cams and will it handle 140+ hp/tq. If the answer is yes then we can expect an amazing motor that will build power quickly and is upgradeable without having to rebuild the entire engine and especially the crank. Harley would do well to pay close attention…
That’s gonna make Crazy Power. Lots of Horses ! Very cool, thanks for posting
Sigh, gonna be hard to make 4 pistons go up and down with THAT thing 😉 Oh well, didn’t need another bike anyway.
@Rodent – assume ‘BFD’ does not = Bidirectional Forwarding Detection, but rather my consensus retort – iow, let us see how we can do the same differently…
I am far more interested in the FEA in the background; and that is not F*** Em All.., nope.., well, at least not until we see the rest of the thing.., it is Finite Element Analysis…
Thats no inline 4………
Now I get why it’s going to take until Sturgis for the official release of the new bike. They’re releasing it one part at a time!
spoke to a couple of reps today showed them the 2010 sturgis prototype they were shocked when i showed it to them so it doesn’t look to be ruled out just yet.
RE:
“…Looks like one-piece steel forging, …… BFD indeed!…”
Hmmmm….???
Well, i’m no “machinist”, but how does a forge leave what looks like an “AA” casting mark…..???
That must be some hot new Mfg. technology us old farts don’t know about ….(?)
In which case it would be a “BFD”…..
I think NOT….. try again
-nicker-
Plain bearings= frequent oil changes.
Why isn’t Mike Wolfe brandishing this thing whilst in the midst of tall dead weeds just outside an old rustic barn that’s leaning ever so slightly and that’s slowly decaying down to the ground complete with sunlight peeking through the decades old neglected roof?
Well, mark me as disappointed….
@nicker,
As a machinist, I will go out on a limb and guess it IS a forged crank, note the wide “parting line” indicative of forging (casting generally leaves neat, thin, narrow ones). It was quick and easy way we could identify smallblock hop-up parts when junkyarding years ago. And no problem for forging dies to leave letters and/or numbers when the die compaction occurs at or near 90 degrees… again, considering the parting lines on the part, looks like like about 85-87 degrees. Probably a forged crank.
My question is, insert bearings and side-by-side rods with offset pistons? Those clever devils at Polaris have hidden that bit of info from the photo with that conveniently placed display fixture! This crank reminds me very much of the crank in the Mid-USA Powerhouse engine, less the polishing of course.
They’ got a great advertising/marketing campaign working this release … Got folks here looking and talking.
Buy your PII stock now whiles it’s still in the double digits…..
Looks like the Victory crankshaft with a timing gear added to me.
WILL,,you,re rigth,,and i am sure the engine will be overhead cam like the jap and the victory
LMAO… if they do an EVO style or twin cam… every one will say “HARLEY CLONE!!!” .. if they do latest technology, everyone will say ” METRIC!” … even if they did an inline 4 ( which they aren’t presently) , most would have some BS to say about that….Come later this year when they put out a better bike than HD, everyone will scream “TOO EXPENSIVE!”..
Looking forward to seeing these out this summer myself ..
Signed
HD Owner
The Polaris Indian available as a DIY kit, parts available in instalments, first part ready now – crank 🙂
BFD = Banish Forever Dispassionate…
Used in a sentence; The new Indian engine and motorcycle will banish forever dispassionate and dispensable haters filled with malice for all that is new / old that is not their idea.
Long live Indian Motorcycle and the growing legions of followers who have been looking for a unique, premium, and American-made motorcycle to answer their deep lust.
Good times are ahead for the grand brand and the inspiration that it will bring to others…
Nice and Beefy!
Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy!
That lournal looks a little small for two rods.
Looks like they’ve torn down an S&S X-Wedge and are learning from its design. Ride an X-Wedge equipped bike one time and you’ll see what tree stump pullin’ torque feels like.
Long awaited . Supposed to be a high-end bike. The forged crank shows that they are starting at the right place.
Harleys been sitting to long on no new development. They look to paint schemes and
selling imported tee-shirts at thirty bucks a pop.
I was at the international Motorcycle show in Mpls and met the crew from the Indian Twin Cities Dealership. Great crew, all very professional with a lot of Polaris Reps standing behind them. Talking with many of the Polaris Reps, they assured me it wouldn’t be a Harley clone. They don’t want it to be anything LIKE a Harley. But one thing is for sure, they will have a hell of a lot more power THAN a Harley. Where as most people that own Harley’s will have to pay and pay to get that kind of power out of stock Indian. And it still won’t come close. Leaving the Twin Cities Monday morning, just happened to grab the Star Tribune after fueling up, And there’s a ncie little article in there. http://www.startribune.com/business/186570891.html on Indian and the Flagship Dealership now in Polaris’s back yard. Great bikes and great people selling them. I know where i’m getting my newer one.
I don’t know what the heck is in that picture exactly, but just from reading that the Rat hates it makes me know its another bad ass piece of the upcoming all new America’s First Motorcycle. The Legend Lives ! Gobs of power, ton of torque, thats stuff I do understand. I have been told by people I believe that all i’m gonna need to do with my new Indian Motoycycle by Polaris is change the oil and ride the shit outa it. SOLD ,
Indian Motorcycle of Charlotte is gonna get my deposit. They are the real deal, first class Dealership with legit motorcycle enthusiasts running the show. Sounds to me like Since 1901 and a forged crank bitches, is one of my new beer/gas stop comebacks. Thank you Scott Wine, well done. Who gives a Rat’s ass if we know about throttle return mfg. dates, I want mine to carry on the Legacy, haul ass, turn and stop on a dime. I’ll figure out how to change the oil! When I leave a stoplight, all I will care about is knowing second place….is first loser.
I prefer the idea of a plain bearing setup, higher oil pressures, guaranteed lubrication, an abundance of oil pressure for piston squirters so they should desire. Keep that motor cool with a possibility of not turning your theighs to charcoal (for those that may have a complaint against the 103 and 110.) I think we have the beginning of a great motor, especially if you have more conventional rods, greater strength , more power can be transmitted through them. not everyone will be happy about it but , oh well.
my prediction is that if Indian takes off on the right foot this time, we’ll see another Indian 4 cylinder, but not within the first 5 years.
@RickLossner …….. Exactly correct, well stated!
Over & Out,
Jeff
THAT WILL HANDLE A LOAD OF NITROUS WELL…I LIKE IT ALLREADY! FORGED AND SIDE BY SIDE..MEANS HIGH REVS AND SUPER LOAD CAPACITY! YUMMY
Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy! Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that! Yes, indeed, I certainly have already said that! LOL
Dave B,
OK, if you say so…. Forging it is.
The finish sure looks like a casting to me……….???
And those three scuff marks below the “AA” are confusing.
-nicker-
All this speculation is meaningless. Polaris will produce a motorcycle with the Indian label. The motorcycle BUYING public will either like it and buy it or pass on it. All the smoke and mirrors is just that. The bottom line is, Will it sell?
Forging dies are made in sets, Buster, Blocker, Finisher, Coin Die, then a trimmer die parts off the excess slag around the parting line. The coin die contains logoes and id numbers and letters in reverse like the AA you see here. Spirit Lake ~ nice work so far so good.
Yep another Vtwin shhoot if I wanted power i would have bought a hond or yamaha vtwin.looks like they are on the wrong track already where is the four…??that most people want to see like somebody else said another clone anything v twin is a clone to me,honda yamaha, polaris,s&s how many fifferent versions of a v twin do we need be inovative build a bad inline four.
Wow….!!!
Great education i’m getting here.
Thanks Doc & Dave….
-nicker-
has nothing to do with indians. they stopped in 1953
Be afraid Hardly owners…………be very afraid.
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