Harley-Davidson Unveils Its New Lineup Of 2014 Motorcycles

2014_FLHXS_DET1Yesterday, Harley-Davidson unveiled its new lineup of 2014 motorcycle models during the company’s annual Summer Dealer Meeting in Denver, Colo. The star of the show is not a single new bike – rather, it’s the landmark product development effort that resulted in Project RUSHMORE’s delivery of innovative, customer-driven enhancements to the line of touring motorcycles.

Project RUSHMORE encompasses eight new motorcycles that feature improved power and braking performance, enhanced rider ergonomics, and dramatic styling updates that completely redefine and fundamentally transform the touring motorcyclist’s experience. Project RUSHMORE is the result of an entirely new way to produce motorcycles. In a process that invokes the voice of the customer throughout an accelerated development program, the ideas and dreams of thousands of motorcyclists are allowed to percolate with those of Harley-Davidson employees.

1234Eight new 2014 Harley-Davidson models, including Road King®, Street Glide®, Street Glide® Special, Electra Glide® Ultra Classic®, Ultra Limited, Tri Glide® Ultra, CVO Ultra Limited and CVO Road King® feature innovative They slot into four customer-defined categories:

Control: Project RUSHMORE bikes pass faster, stop quicker and see farther at night, thus inspiring rider confidence. Each model features the new Twin-Cooled™ High Output Twin Cam 103™ or the High Output Twin Cam 103™ powertrains, Reflex™ Linked Brakes with ABS (Anti-Lock Braking System), and Daymaker™ LED and Dual Halogen lighting.
Infotainment: New color-screen Boom! – Box infotainment systems feature the first original-equipment voice recognition and touchscreen for music, GPS navigation and phone in motorcycling, with quality audio, Bluetooth® connectivity, text-to-speech technology, plus support for intercom and CB communications in a single module.
Feel: Aerodynamics and ergonomics come together to improve comfort — from the new Batwing fairing with splitstream venting, which reduces head buffeting by 20 percent, to best-in-class ride for passengers with wider and deeper seats and new back and arm rests.
Style: The form and the function of many components are improved – a reshaped Tour-Pak® and saddlebags with convenient One-Touch latches, sleeker fenders, lighter cast aluminum wheels and intuitive hand control switches.

road-kingRoad King®

• High Output Twin Cam 103™ powertrain • Stiffer 49mm forks • Dual Halogen headlamp and halogen fog lights • Impeller cast aluminum wheels • Restyled saddlebags with One-Touch latch • Low-profile front fender • Improved instrument graphics • New intuitive hand controls • Available Reflex™ Linked Brakes with ABS

Street-GlideStreet Glide®

• High Output Twin Cam 103™ powertrain • Hydraulic clutch • Boom! Box 4.3 infotainment system • Jukebox media compartment with USB • New Batwing fairing with splitstream vent • Stiffer 49mm forks • Dual Halogen headlamp • Enforcer cast aluminum wheels • Restyled saddlebags with One-Touch latch • One-Touch fuel door •Low-profile front fender • Larger gauges with improved graphics • New intuitive hand controls • Available Reflex™ Linked Brakes with ABS

Street-Glide-SpecialStreet Glide® Special

• High Output Twin Cam 103™ powertrain • Hydraulic clutch • Boom! Box 6.5GT infotainment system • Jukebox media compartment with USB • New Batwing fairing with splitstream vent • Gloss Black inner fairing and color-match fairing skirt • Stiffer 49mm forks • Premium Ride Hand-Adjustable Low Rear Shocks • Dual Halogen headlamp • Enforcer cast aluminum wheels • Restyled saddlebags with One-Touch latch • One-Touch fuel door • Low-profile front fender • Larger gauges with improved graphics • New intuitive hand controls • Reflex™ Linked Brakes with ABS

Electra-Glide-Ultra-ClassicElectra Glide® Ultra Classic®

• High Output Twin Cam 103™ powertrain • Hydraulic clutch • Boom! Box 4.3 infotainment system • Jukebox media compartment with USB • New Batwing fairing with splitstream vent • Stiffer 49mm forks • Daymaker LED headlamp and fog lamps • LED rear lighting on Tour-Pak • Impeller cast aluminum wheels • Restyled Tour-Pak with One-Touch latch • Restyled saddlebags with One-Touch latch • One-Touch fuel door • Low-profile front fender • Larger gauges with improved graphics • New intuitive hand controls • Reflex™ Linked Brakes with ABS

Ultra-LimitedUltra Limited

• Twin-Cooled™ High Output Twin Cam 103™ powertrain • Hydraulic clutch • Stiffer 49mm forks • Boom! Box 6.5 infotainment system • Jukebox media compartment with USB • New Batwing fairing with splitstream vent • Gloss Black inner fairing • Daymaker LED headlamp and fog lamps • LED rear lighting on Tour-Pak • Contrast Chrome Impeller cast aluminum wheels • Restyled Tour-Pak with One-Touch latch • Restyled saddlebags with One-Touch latch • One-Touch fuel door • Low-profile front fender • Larger gauges with improved graphics • New intuitive hand controls • Reflex™ Linked Brakes with ABS

Tri-Glide-UltraTri Glide® Ultra

• Twin-Cooled™ High Output Twin Cam 103™ powertrain • Hydraulic Assist & Slip clutch • Boom! Box 6.5 infotainment system • Jukebox media compartment with USB • New Batwing fairing with splitstream vent • Stiffer 49mm forks • Daymaker LED headlamp and fog lamps • LED rear lighting on Tour-Pak • Restyled Tour-Pak with One-Touch latch • One-Touch fuel door • Low-profile front fender • Larger gauges with improved graphics • New intuitive hand controls • Linked Braking system • New rear brakes with 16 percent larger rotors • Foot-operated parking brake.

Additional Harley-Davidson 2014 Motorcycle News

Additional headlines from the 2014 Harley-Davidson lineup include the restyled Fat Bob® model, the availability of anti-lock brakes on all five 2014 Sportster models and the continued integration of H-D1™ Factory Customization.

FatBob1FatBob2FatBob3The Dark Custom styling of the Fat Bob model gets a make-over from Harley-Davidson Styling and now projects a new assertive authority.

Highlights include a new slash-cut rear fender with a recessed twin-ring LED tail lamp. Then black replaces chrome everywhere, including the powertrain, air cleaner cover, rear shock covers, triple clamps, headlamp trim rings, console and battery box cover. The Aluminum Slotted Disc wheels are powdercoated black and finished with a laser-engraved Harley-Davidson logo and rim stripe.

48883L72All five 2014 Harley-Davidson Sportster® models are available with the confidence-inspiring control of ABS (Anti-lock Braking System). The Sportster line also features new hand controls and brake components, improved service access, and an optional keyless H-D® Smart Security System with a proximity-based, hands-free security fob.

CVOSoftail1CVOSoftail2The 2014 CVO series of limited-production motorcycles features the new CVO™ Softail® Deluxe model, a premium custom touring motorcycle equipped with a detachable windscreen with GPS navigation, Daymaker LED lighting, detachable saddlebags and of course the bold paint and big Screamin’ Eagle powertrain that’s always part of the CVO program. The CVO™ Road King® and super-premium CVO™ Limited return with new features and Project RUSHMORE enhancements. The bold CVO™ Breakout® Softail® chopper returns with three dazzling new paint schemes. (See separate releases for more details on the 2014 CVO line.)

muscleNightRodThe V-Rod family now has ABS as standard equipment and new paint colors and graphics are available on the Muscle® and Night Rod® Special. By using the online Bind, graphics are available on the Muscle® and Night Rod® Special.

superglidesuperglidebissporster-paintbisThe Twin Cam 103™ powertrain is now standard equipment on the Street Bob® and Super Glide® Custom models, both part of the smooth-handling Dyna line.

H-D1™ Factory Customization: The web-based program that allows customers to select factory-installed options that personalize fit, function and style to the Sportster® 1200 Custom and Street Bob® offers new color options for both bikes, including two new custom paint sets for the Sportster 1200 Custom: Charcoal Pearl Eagle Graphic and Mysterious Red Paisley Skull in addition to new Hard Candy Custom color options.

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143 Responses to “Harley-Davidson Unveils Its New Lineup Of 2014 Motorcycles”


  1. 1 Eric Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    The Whiskey Amber color, please someone please tell me if its a good color or not in person. I have looked at 3 differnet pictures and the color all looked a bit different in all pictures. I am ordering while overseas and dont get to see the color till I pick it up. I like it in a few and hate it in the other, hard to tell on computer monitor. Thank you

  2. 2 Chris Sharp Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Touring bikes colors are ugly! Harley invests in gizmos and electronics, but no true new designs in 2014. Indian will take sales from Harley, for sure.

  3. 3 Joshua Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    More electronics = more problems. More money for the HD dealers.

  4. 4 Greeko Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Disappointed. Lot of “rushmore” noise for not much.

  5. 5 Brett Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Harley haters will blow this off & claim same old same old. However HD has done what they needed to
    They also responded to Polaris Indian as much as they could in the time they had
    Now for a battle to start Indian needs to sell bikes. HD has over half of the American market
    Unless Indian turn that 55% into about 35% there is no battle. If they pull it off then it will be interesting to see what HD & Indian come up with. Right now I believe Harley saved its share

  6. 6 Gleason Gallinger Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Saw the look of the new Harley’s I own a CVO FLTRUSE Road Glide Ultra, so the Road Glide gone I am someone disappointed. That being said I like the look of the CVO Road King especially in the orange. Might have to look at picking another CVO up to add to my collection.

  7. 7 rousseau Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    tres belles….

  8. 8 mk Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    That’s it????

  9. 9 hk Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    new and improved chicken mcnuggets now with slightly browner hue and 2 more styes of dipping sauce ,tangier barbeque and saltier barbeque.

    ho hum

  10. 10 Paul Gallhager Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    If Indian would come up with a touring pack/trunk for the Chieftain, I will not hesitate to order one instead of any Harley tourers.

  11. 11 Boris Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Seems like Harley-Davidson is more and more about bling and electronic gizmos. I can see the appeal of things like GPS navigation and voice-activated commands for the touring set, and all large touring bikes will have such features in the coming years. However, a lot of Harley’s new color combos are too garish (of course, the CVOs are especially hideous and busy looking). Also, Harley should have made the 110 standard on most non-Sportster models for next year, and bumped the CVO line up to the 120 engine. But the MoCo moves slowly.

    Meanwhile, a powerful 111 engine with an oil cooler is standard on an Indian Chief. Indian, with only three bikes in the lineup at this point, impresses me more. Watch out when Indian introduces a lighter-weight Scout.

  12. 12 Garry Johnson Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    yep new and improved? Where? So they put in a new Radio with blue tooth wow what a deal! I put a new blue tooth on my FLHTCI for $200.00 the Harley radio was a cheap piece of junk that went south after the warranty ran out.I don’t care for most dealers any more and go out of my way to get after market parts that seem to last longer and are better priced–best of luck Harley all hype nothing really new here.

  13. 13 P. Hamilton. Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    The first generation iPhone was released in 2007. It took 6 years to Harley to do a touch screen. What an innovation! Harley is unable to design a brand new motorcycle, so they do minor tweaking and modifications and wrap everything in electronics with gadgets. Becoming the most boring motorcycle company.

  14. 14 Stefan Graf Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    The Fatbob Fender Design is a terrible, ugly Crime , isn’t it?

  15. 15 Hammerman Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    have some flames or something in a paint theme that will say,, Damn that’s kool!!!,,, I see nothing here,,,,disappointing,,design wise?,, nothing really has changed much,, except a 103 v twin but even the 103 was droped in a lot of the styles last yEAR

  16. 16 Jesse Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    This HD lineup is a huge gift to Polaris. Go Indian.

  17. 17 Grumpy Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    BO-RING.

  18. 18 CafeSportyTC Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Scuse me guys , WTF is twin cooled??????? is this the beginning of the oil/water cooled head ????, im trying to scour the article for information but i see nothing… hellloooooooo

  19. 19 Seymour Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    you’re overlooking “Mysterious Red Paisley Skull” custom paint job, yo

  20. 20 Doug Singer Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    I have owned and admired several HD products over the years but if this is their response to the revamped completion from Polaris with not only the Victory line but the leave em in the dust INDIAN products I would bs surprised if there aren’t at least a few execs looking over their shoulder.
    2014 Indian ::10, 2014 Harley::4

  21. 21 Robert Byl Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    H.D what are you thinking you might as well delete the whole line up as apposed to deleting a few Your color scheme went pastel are trying to make sure Indian make a solid come back or do I have to be concerned that your going tits up. That’s what usually happens when companies stream line there lines or start adding multi versions of a basic bike i would never buy . They should be Happy there was enough loyalty with there over priced product after seeing the prices of there newest competitor I will definitely be taking a better look at my next bike. Especially since I live in Canada and the bikes are way over priced here.

  22. 22 SIGFREED Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Chris Sharp – how much sales can Indian take with only three bikes in their range? Perhaps not so sharp.

    The CVO Softail Deluxe looks rather nice – will it have a 110ci engine (as per CVO convention) with the obligatory skinny MU85B16 rear tire? Better change to Michelins and Avons very quickly (in fact do it when you buy it). Perhaps the Motor Co should consider a slightly different gearbox ratio for skinny rear tire 110ci models – citing the Indian and all. I remember the first 110ci CVO Dyna’s – almost every time I took an HD for a service there was one with crash damage at the dealer (some more than once).

    On the topic: The Indian Chief Vintage starts at ~$21k (base), The CVO Softail Deluxe ~$23.5k (base). The CVO will always be something special – for any money. The Indian is just the Indian – just like all the others that will be sold in the initial current of hype (lets see where they are 5-10 years from now + what is the resale value then).

    Then there is the CVO Breakout – WHAAAA, check out the orange/red (or whatever) candy and black thing – I want to lick it, not ride it..!!

    Buy an Indian, blow an extra $2k-$3k on accessories and other BS, but the first time you pull up next to a new factory CVO, a little voice will magically appear in your head (and it is not your girlfriend, whispering in your ear, asking you if your wife has found out yet).

    I am also strangely drawn to the V-Rod Muscle, but will get over it quickly, when I am reminded of the insipid performance figures – Blue 2014 Diavel here we come.., buuuut what about that CVO Breakout.., AAAAAAHHRRRR, I bet they are already all taken…

    Still not sure what is so “special” about the Street Glide Special…

  23. 23 smithncustom Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Harley is turning into a motorcycle for pussies!!!

  24. 24 llene Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    It’s a step in the right direction, but is it a large enough step? Time will tell.

  25. 25 James Guerini Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    OMG. Nothing to be excited about.

  26. 26 BobS Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Brilliant move. They will make a fortune alone on new bar and shield logo gloves that are touch screen compatible!

  27. 27 Brad Schonberg Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Is there a designer in the house of Harley?

  28. 28 MIKE CERVI Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Watch out . The INDIANS are coming.

  29. 29 Sam Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I’m worried for HD,I ride Sportbike’s but watch the industry quite close.As the Motorcycle fad wind’s down so doe’s the new bike market.I also see a shift in a small percentage wanting something different Adventure Bike’s and Sport Touring.With Indian now in the mix as well as Victory producing very well built machine’s.Is there enough business”new bike sale’s” to keep HD going in the light of the competition?How would we feel if Chevy,Toyota,Ford,Nissan just kept selling the same thing?I realize that there is a segment of the Motorcycle World that will ride nothing but HD,but how many of those hardcore HD rider’s are left to buy a new machine.HD must come up with something new even if it’s just styling something different.On Bikenite’s I,m seeing fewer and fewer HD’s and more of everything else.Yes I,m worried about HD and there same ol stuff marketing?

  30. 30 Stuart T Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    fyi-
    The Hi Output Twin Cam 103 in the Road King Classic, Street Glide and Electra Glide gets an oil cooler to help with the 5% extra torque delivered by new cams and a new high-flow airbox.

  31. 31 HDRIDER Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Just seen the new line-up and I agree with everyone else that this is nothing great or a big change. What I can never understand is most other bike manufactures do not void warranty if a bike has the hitch to pull a trailer! If a couple is riding across the country touring and camping, lets be real, more space is needed! When will Harley adapt to the customers?

  32. 32 Stuart T Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    from American V magazine- Meanwhile the Twin Cooled High Output 103 in the CVO Ultra and the Tri Glide gets a very precise 10.7% more peak torque and 10.6% more peak power, and a “precision cooling system” which runs coolant round the exhaust ports – XR1200-style – which I know I suggested might be the easiest way to add cooling to someone, maybe even have been here!

    Rather than being hooked into the main oil system, as with the XR, it appears to be an independent system using “liquid coolant”: they don’t specify what the coolant is and they don’t call the ‘ducted heat exchangers’ radiators, so either they’re concerned about calling it water with all its negative associations for the traditional set, or else it isn’t. Other liquid coolants are available, and I daresay many of them would work a lot better than water in this duty.

  33. 33 Canada Robbie Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Designed by dealers and bikers? Late Apple CEO Steve Job said it clearly. If we would have asked people to imagine the next music player or cel. phone, they wanted, they would have never imagined the iPod and the iPhone. Listen to your customers, but designing is the job of designers. Harley has none?

  34. 34 Curtis Moss Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Except the Sportster and the Road King, no reason to buy a Harley.

  35. 35 Matt W. Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    True the “Rushmore Project” marketing scheme is pretty gimmicky even for Harley but so far I think the changes are positive direction and go slightly beyond the usual parts and paint swap. The Goldwing like “Infotainment” feature and Victory like “Twin-Cooled” (oil/air cooled) engine just go to show how competition makes the market as a whole better.

  36. 36 Dogg Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    This is a total let down. Discontinueing the roadglide was a mistake. The cvo still doesnt come close to the indian 111. 3 initial models. To start. The scout will be next. And there is or soon will be a trunk available for the chieftain. Hd is going to lose its share of the market within 3 years. Plus, the metrics are slowly taking more of the market than previous years.
    All you hd fans should be more than dissappointed. I would love a cvo roadglide but, at $35000, it isnt worth it. I can buy a chieftain for $25k and have the same amount of bike. But thats ok. Ill keep riding my 15 year old valkyrie that is still faster than anything hd produces, can go farther on a tank of fuel, more comfortable without vibration than anything they are making and at 8.5 ft long and 865 lbs, it is big enough where i dont look like a monkey humpin a football.

    My next new bike will be an indian thanks to hd getting rid of the only bike they made i like. The roadglide…

  37. 37 Danny Rohr Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Believing that Cyril’s readers are representative of the US v-twin bikers, Harley is getting its worst lineup review of these past years. Hmmm.

  38. 38 Fritz Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Judging the *new* Harley line up competing against the new Indian bikes…. why did Harley gift this product year to Indian? Are they owned by the same money?

    Jeff Bleustein, where are you?

  39. 39 Frosty Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    We all care about bike styling. I take a Chief anytime instead of a Harley. A well designed Indian Scout could steal a lot of sales from the Harley Sportster. Fun just got started.

  40. 40 CafeSportyTC Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    personally the twin cooled setup i think is going to be a band aid until a whole new motor is introduced, which i predict will be not in the immediate future , but not too far off future

  41. 41 Sharrose Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Not what I expected from Harley..again! You stopped making the Springers and Springer front end yet where ever I go I get bikers from all walks of life stopping by making comments on my bike, You even took the front end off the over priced CVO’s. I guess I will just keep my old Heritage Springer forever although I am a gadget person and love all the new tech stuff I hate the looks!!! Colors leave lots to be desired too. If your aiming for the younger people good luck they want something special too not just a name!!!

  42. 42 Jerry Marcoux Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    No change to the Dynas?

  43. 43 Nitschke Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    While the comments may or may not be true relative to Indian, Harley still has something that the Indians don’t: the don’t look like they were styled by a pimp from 1973.

  44. 44 Mish Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    In my 35 years of riding and building Harleys, I have never seriously thought I could afford a NEW Harley. But, for the first time, I realize that if I sell my 1981 FLH, my 1949 FL Bobber, I can actually Be riding a NEW Indian. The Chief Classic Has an MSRP of $ 18,999. With a 5 YEAR warranty. Engines built in Wisconsin, Bikes built in Iowa.

    Polaris has done Great with the Victory’s. They are still on the market. I live in a town of 400 people and there is two Victory’s mixed in the lot. I own vintage Harleys. (Crunch those statistical numbers.) They have been on the market for 15 years and show no sign of going anywhere.

    The Harley market likes tradition, likes to feel unique, American, and nostalgia. Where will that market go next? It will be somewhere they wont meet themselves in oncoming traffic. Me thinks they will think real hard about 1953 or so, and what a loss the world seen when the last Indians rolled of the line.
    Id bet that 45% of the Harley market rides Harley because there is no other American made competitor that will provide the above. Tradition, Unique, American nostalgia. Offer that at a lower price, with a 5 year warranty? Lets say the battle ( cease fire) is taking up there it left off 60 years ago.

    Now lets talk about how Harley Davidson dealerships treat their customers. 80% that I have been in, treat you like they are doing YOU the favor. I have had to wait 20 minutes for service, and I was the only customer. The sales person was in a discussion with a mechanic about last weekends party. This is only one example. I started riding during the AMF years, and stuck with them. Even when most of todays Harley Riding RUB’s were taunting me from their gold wings. So you know how I feel
    I have folks bring Harleys to my one car garage for repairs two days after they pick them up from a dealership that supposedly has “Certified Mechanics” who repaired the bike and charged ridiculous labor. TISK TISK. Harley, where are you going. Last 2 years models are exploding cam chains like whack-a-mole.
    I work in a town near by that has two factory’s that produce Harley components. Both say the Quality has taken a nose dive. Harley now accepts components that even 5 years ago would never have been allowed unloaded on their docks. But hey, the share holders want their money, stuff all the bikes out the door you can.

    But me? Well, Ill jump in the shower, get ready for work, go out and roll the Panhead out, retard the spark, kicker her over, return the spark, and ride the 25 miles to work. Ill really be thinking about that new Indian 111 power stroke and its electric start. Hmmm 5 year warranty. Yes, Ill be upgrading in the future. Its finally time. I got $4000 I can come up with after I sell the Panhead and Shovelhead (which are sold when I’m ready to sell.)

  45. 45 Drive The Wheels Off Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    @Brett -”They also responded to Polaris Indian as much as they could in the time they had ”

    HD had the same time available (~2 years) that Polaris had since the announcement was made about Polaris acquiring the rights to the Indian trademark….but HD had how much already in place?

    The door has been opened wider for a Scout.

  46. 46 Slow Ride Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    I don’t see much technology upgrades in the Indian line-up. Indian has a push rod, air cooled v-twin. But they’re the greatest and Harley all the sudden sucks?

  47. 47 JohnJ Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    I really don’t get the Indian, its so freakin’ ugly and tired. and I read on trying to understand… and with Harley its a little change each year of something else… good and bad.
    What will Indian change in 2015??? Maybe you have to be THAT old to get the Indian thing but ever sense I was a kid… its been Harley. I’m getting a Road King… stay alert.

  48. 48 Terence Tory Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    For all the profits The Motor Company has reaped over the past couple of decades,it sure hasn’t been ploughed back into the works for a better crop.H-D has always been twenty years late,but getting close to forty years too late is stretching the friendship a tad.

    I would love to know who is responsible for the paint schemes and colors on many of these bikes? “Tijuana salvia posse” ?

    Many of the mag wheels on the big twins seem to draw inspiration from Yamaha and Suzuki cheap commuters circa 81′

    The piling of techno held high is bling faith in people preferring thousand of dollars of things that glow lovingly and beep installed by H-D,over grabbing a cheap smart phone or tablet from Walmart.The bits,and bytes,and binary codes can’t help Humpty to add this play all up:at the cash register.

    The “Twin-Cooled” stop-gap seems a high school project,marginal engineering,and design.They should have made water cooled 4-valve heads & barrels,with a radiator on the front down tubes like everyone else.

    When I visit the H-D dealer and speak to mechs I have know for decades and ask them “on duty” how these new over-complicated bagger-busses will fare as the miles clock up,they won’t even smirk,roll their eyes or speak the truth.They know that their jobs come with the price of toeing the party line.Po-po-po-po-poker face.Ga-ga.It will be a different story after hours and a few beers.

    The only H-D’s that interest me are fast XL’s,basic baggers and a new FXRS 2.0 with a twin-cam and USD forks.Out of that wish list the only one that even comes close is an RK.

    I’m starting to think that when Indian produces a radical bobber,a hightube Frisco chopper and a Scout that is light,has modern sport tire sizes and believable thirties bare bones styling it will be time for short day shifts at the H-D works.Will the last Willie please flip the light switch on the way out of the factory,please.

  49. 49 Fab Kevin Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Does anyone here, including the reporter, want to comment on the fact that the ultra is now water cooled? Is this not news worthy??

  50. 50 Frosty Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Kevin. Not water.

  51. 51 RK Brent Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    No new technology?? Same old?? HD is finally doing the liquid cooled heads on the Limited and Trike, which I am sure is paving the path for most every non Sporty model, and all I hear is crying about the colors. Anybody go to HD’s web site and really read up on any of this?

  52. 52 Jeff Massey Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Most or all of the stuff including the electronics should have been part of the deal a few years ago. To ask people to buy “upgrades” like an amplifier and real speakers is an insult after spending 25k on a bike that should have this stuff on it already. I just bought a 13 and the large touch screen would have been nice. Feels more like fish hook in my throat now. My bike runs like a tractor and need performance tuning after all this for another 1000. Its an obvious strategy to make more profits on an already expensive motorcycle.

  53. 53 Toby Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Any information on the Linked braking? Is this linked as in front to rear, automatic bias?

    Would like some detail on these mysteriously cooled heads? How? By what?

  54. 54 Boris Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    I just saw that new H-D Fat Bob. My god, that is an abortion if I ever saw one. To begin with, the tank graphics are lame… looks like a high-school shop job. Uncomfortable drag bars and ugly little twin headlights. And finally … that rear fender looks like it was trimmed off at the back by a hacksaw. And then a cheap-looking plastic taillight housing inside that cut-off mess? Holy crap. The styling department at the MoCo is out to lunch.

  55. 55 Fab Kevin Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Frosty – sorry. Not water, some form of glycol is a more appropriate answer!

  56. 56 Mike Greenwald Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Terence Toby,

    You are as acerbic as ever. Damn, if I don’t agree with you.

    Mike

  57. 57 Fab Kevin Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    RK Brent – Right on!

    For cryin’ out loud – take 10 minutes and actually read what the 2014′s have going on. From the comments here, you would think anything less than a laser guided machined that hovers is not enough of a change for the moco to bring on.

  58. 58 Huck Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Epic fail for a new model year rollout. I’m HD dyed in the wool – but this is disappointing.

  59. 59 Toby Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    @ Boris. I agree on the tail. Looks like a 1980′s Honda. The paint too. The headlights (except black bezel) and drag bar are the same as last year though.

  60. 60 Frosty Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Kevin. On June 12, 2012. Cyril published this. In it, the explanation how Twin Cooled works.
    http://cyrilhuzeblog.com/2012/06/12/harley-davidson-limited-water-cooling-patent/

  61. 61 RK Brent Aug 19th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Fab Kevin. I’m glad someone else sees the changes and went to HD’s web site!

    Led lights standard on all Touring. New bags and Tour Pak. New cam and intake. Killer new touch screen radio. This is the most changes HD has made in many years and biggest since the 09 Touring frame change. It is all still EPA compliant so like every other HD I’m sure a good exhaust and tune is required to get the most out of it but that has been the case for a long time. (Our government is who to thank for that). Road Glide will be back and may even be a mid year re-introduction. Although happy with my 2012 Limited and not really in the market, I’m going to test ride a new one this week!

  62. 62 takehikes Aug 19th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Glad somebody cares about this stuff as I sure don’t. FLip through the pictures at any kind of speed and nothing stops you with its look and the only difference you can see is trunk/no truck and windshields/fairings. Big whoop.
    Fab Kevin nailed it, the big news is the water cooling on the heads. So I’ll take the motor someone else can have the rest.

  63. 63 Rick Lossner Aug 19th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Validation that Indian is about to make a dent in their sales

  64. 64 Frosty Aug 19th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Kevin. For now, Harley is unusually somewhat “discreet” about the Twin Cool. Dealers were not briefed in details.and apparently don’t understand it very well. The system may be a big source of problems for service. Let’s talk about it in 6 months. And why the Indian Thunder Stroke 111″ doesn’t need such a system?

  65. 65 Matt W. Aug 19th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Nitschke: I can’t tell if you are joking or not but if you are being serious you might want to take a gander at Harley’s 2014 Sportster, Dyna, & CVO line-up sometime. I think Huggy Bear have been moonlighting in their design department possibly ;).

  66. 66 domino Aug 19th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Listen to me …. FXR … FXR … FXR …

  67. 67 C10 Aug 19th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    As a long time Harley owner I feel they are behind in styling and design. I sold my fxdl and went with a Kawasaki Concours and it was the best decision I ever made. Step out of the past HD and try to catch up.

  68. 68 Fab Kevin Aug 19th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Frosty – I can send you a pic of the overflow bottle stored in one of the lowers – it is coolant for sure. As for Indian, who says they need it or don’t need it? 90 percent of the 2014 Harley’s don’t have liquid cooling – but they are exploring it and I applaud them for it. I am excited to see what Indian does, once the overly fringed and enormously fendered trend goes away and they build something decent looking.

  69. 69 Mike Aug 19th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    I noticed that Harley’s new-fangled liquid cooling uses two big fugly radiators that are hidden in the touring bike’s lower wind deflectors. That is all well and good for a bagger, but they will not be able to use it on any normal bike without fairing.

    I think that was a major boner on Harley’s part, or maybe they couldn’t figure out a better way without having the bikes look “Japanese.”

    Harley would have been much better off using oil and air cooling like Victory and now Indian. Both companies’ engineers have done just fine preventing heat and meeting emissions requirements with a small oil cooler between the downtubes.

    So basically Harley has boxed itself in again and come up with a liquid cooling method that it can never translate to 95% of its other models, because the Harley faithful will never buy a non-touring bike with a big radiator in the front for all to see. So Harey is stuck with the terrible heating issues on the regular twin cam 103 and 110 engines.

    Oh well Harley, carry on then …. I just go buy an Indian.

  70. 70 bart Aug 19th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    I’m not into electronics laden, infotainment, voice recognition barker lounges….it just gets too much – to the point where the ‘motorcycle’ has disappeared; I’d rather have a convertible car and call it a day.
    .
    I think H-D’s Road King is the only big twin bike I would consider over one of the new (and gorgeous) Indians. H-D is up against an awful lot in face of Indian’s all new from the ground up design. I also like the much simpler aesthetic that Indian has going compared to the less sleek, busier H-D big twins (RK mostly excepted).
    .
    As for the Gixxer moe who thinks that the Indian’s style (and H-D) is not what younger people are looking for I can only say that you don’t know the same folks I do.

  71. 71 bart Aug 19th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    PS. I think the Dyna and Softail look good too. I am only interested in air cooled motorcycles but can just about take a small unobtrusive oil cooler….once they get into water/glycol cooling etc its game over.

  72. 72 MDSPHOTO Aug 19th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Looks the same as last year and the year before that and the year before that and, well, you get the idea. I know HD has a historic styling guide and they want to retain the essence of the brand, but for God’s sake take a few design risks and see what happens. It’s better to swing and miss than not to swing at all.

  73. 73 Jimbo Aug 19th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    The simple truth behind HD not being innovative is based on the fact that they cannot redesign their engines as they will lose the historic POTATO exhaust note… The rest is down hill from there… i.e. marketing cooling systems as being innovative… UGH!!! Their legacy enslaves them!!!

  74. 74 Kirk Perry Aug 19th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    ~ For anyone feeling left-out of the 2013, 1200 Sportster-cp color combo ~ Rejoice!

    You can still get the same color scheme with Midnight Pearl and Silver :) , chrome spoke wheels, mini-ape handlebars and forward controls. Just like it was.
    Just remember to order a 30-T final drive pulley change-out from the stock 29-T, and for resale value, drop the “attitude slash-cut mufflers” for the sensible tapered-jobs.

    Please believe me when I tell you, set up with a 30-T pulley these 1200cp’s are a dart.

    Take the 360-degree view and review the price-per-sq.in of thrust to those other jukeboxes above. Face it. Your wild and rebellious days are over old man.

    https://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/H-D1/Bike-Builder.html#/locale__en_US/model__XL1200C/year__2013/code__24-98-0-44-37-13-13-16-10-9-7-1-8-0-3-7-8-11-17-1-6-0-28

  75. 75 Corey Aug 19th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    We were up at the annual Victory Rally this weekend up at Arnold’s Park/Spirit Lake Iowa, and they had the Indians on display, and believe me there is ALOT interest. One gentleman I talked to, who has rode HD for years, took the Indian for a demo and said he toured the plant. He said it is an awesome bike and the Thunderstroke 111 is a monster. He said the bike rides and handles great, and after touring the plant and seeing the motor broke and all the aspects of it, how much testing they have done, he said there will be no worries with that motor. As far as colors, sounds like they have more plans, but these were the first colors they chose to introduce the line. He also said they took ALOT of orders over the weekend alone. In 2 years, Polaris has redesigned part of their plant, set it up, designed the new Indians, and designed a new strong motor… I would say in the time frame they had, they did a FANTASTIC job! From what I saw, heard and to know what are still planning, the competition definately better not underestimate them. Polaris has done alot with their Victory lineup since conception, and now they own the original American bike, and this lineup is only their first…WOW, the future looks very bright!

  76. 76 Genesis Aug 19th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Sad day for the true bikers who rode Harleys most of their life realizing that the company devotes all its efforts to add electronics to touring bikes and a bad coolant system to mask the fact that they run too hot. For the price of these bikes you can get a very comfortable convertible car with more electronics and as much wind in your hair when you lower the roof. Harley lost its soul. I will wait for Indian to build a Scout, I mean a motorcycle.

  77. 77 Joseph Brenner Aug 19th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Harley doesn’t sell bikes anymore, but electronic upgrades. Paint jobs are horrible. A simple solid red, blue or black paint job with a chrome badge, new Indian Chief style, looks much better…

  78. 78 James just another crazy Kiwi Aug 19th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Geezus Im glad all the Americans out there are loyal to the only Motorcycle that was made in the USA for decades….joke
    Constructive critism is good, we all need it but some of the comments are amazing.
    I need to study it all and digest it. One thing I struggle with is the back guard and tail light of the Fat Bob I seriously was thinking of trading in the 08 FB …not sure now.
    Great to see Fab Kevins comments I have been reading the Horse and have every copy since Feb 07 .Good stuff !!!!!

  79. 79 Smittydog Aug 19th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Could they have made the Fat Bob any uglier?

  80. 80 Shawn belik Aug 19th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Whats new with the Break out soft tail

  81. 81 Doug Aug 19th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    @James just another crazy Kiwi…

    Many Americans don’t want to endure more GM-style complacency that took place around 1977-2007 or so.

    If HD managers don’t show up to work with any sense of competitive urgency now, then the next thought to enter their brain should be that they proved my complacency point.

    Harley should have had a huge variety of models by now (including small displacement bikes for other markets), all in the name of keeping their RK and Street Glide models alive and improving. Engineering talent comes with that type of diversity….ask Polaris how deep their engineering talent is

  82. 82 Mike B. Aug 19th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    I love my Harley’s. But I have to say that the gear driven primary and valve train on the Indian is very appealing. I guess I’ll just have to mend that hole in my pocket and wait to see what happens……;-)

  83. 83 morpion Aug 19th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    it,s nice to see how people put down Harley-Davidson,,,,if you don,t like them,,, you know what have to do,,buy and indian or a victory or maybe a jap copy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  84. 84 fxrocket Aug 19th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    While everyone is whining about what the MoCo should have done. They are going to sell thousands regardless of what we think. I find it interesting that what people say on here is so opposite of the public see. On that note who cares. JUST RIDE

  85. 85 RByl Aug 19th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    I read the improvements on the bikes and still no mention of cruise control on anything less than a touring model. come on guys get with the program fill the need its not like no one has ever asked. We all want to take long rides but hand fatigue is something you might have wanted to work on I know people who would have appreciated it.

  86. 86 Woody's Aug 19th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Kind of a mixed bag, overall it seems like they’re just phoning it in but it’ll take a few long rides to see if the overall feel of the bikes is better or not. As a Fat Bob owner myself, I must say the new model pics made me run out and kiss my 2008 as I suddenly find it WAY more attractive than it was yesterday :) I do like the new ducted FLH fairing. That’s something I wanted to do myself but I don’t have deep enough pockets to tool up injection molding, and that design doesn’t lend itself well to open molding or LRTM. I think folks are perhaps being too harsh on Harley by referring to these IMHO somewhat substantial changes as “nothing new”, just because of brand new entries from Indian/Polaris. That said, the 2014 bike buyers will have the ultimate ballot box and with their checkbooks, they’ll decide who’s done well.

  87. 87 Ronzo Aug 19th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    I was forced, for financial reasons, to sell my ’04 Road King Classic a couple years ago. It killed me to do it, but ya gotta do what you gotta do… Anyway, I had the opportunity to demo a 2014 Indian Chief Vintage this past weekend. Lots of power, comfortable, stable, lots of lean angle… Let’s just say that The Motor Company now has some serious competition! Since I am financially still out of the market, I won’t be buying one any time soon, but I can definately see myself buying an Indian! I figure that by the time I’m ready to buy, they’ll have worked out any bugs. Not that the bike a rode had any. One thing I liked about the Indian was that most of the stuff I replaced on my Road King, like the shift and brake arms, shift linkage, floorboards, etc. were already nice enough to keep as is! I haven’t given up on Harley yet. Maybe by the time I’m ready to buy, the new Road Glide will be out and be nice enough that I can’t pass it up!

  88. 88 Arie Aug 19th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Air-oil cooled like the XR1200….

  89. 89 Sharrack Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    More Harley Kool aid please !

  90. 90 eric maurer Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    I’m all for it… The more crap HDMOCO bolts on, the more crap I will pull off and sell on eBay when chopping up for my next project.

  91. 91 izadore007 Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Cyril, what a bunch of whinners and babies talking trash and talking about nice, i think I will add another to my Collection and talking about the market share and resale and, and and! How cann you Judge without looking in person and Riding them.

  92. 92 qajaqr Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Genesis: gawd, I hope you are wrong about Harley losing its soul, but I fear that very thing myself. That is all that Harley has had since Honda brought motorcycle technology to America, and if it goes, then the MoCo is doomed.
    For those of us that have ridden with the Motor Company since the ’60s ,the spirit has been weak for a long time. The quality decline in the AMF days stilled the old hearts, and Willie, god bless him, put it all on the line to save a legend and a family name, but even he can’t tork the shareholders he had to bring in. They have gutted many a company on Wall St., and HD is nothing if not branded merchandise.
    I have a ’10 RK in the garage. It is beautiful, box stock, plenty powerful for an old moustache like me, and may be the last of the soulful Harleys, but even it is nothing like the old pans and shovels. Those were the Harley Davidsons that built legends. These new Twins and the past Evos were improvements that didn’t need to be made. You buy a Harley because it is a Harley; performance be damned. The V twin was never intended to carve canyons or fog the rear tire to the next traffic light. But HD lost sight of that, and in trying to stay relevant in an world of superbikes, maybe you are right. Harley has become a mockery of itself, and maybe lost its soul in the process.
    I will not abandon HD in these coming years; my last ride will be aboard my RK, but for riders unborn, I hope there will always be a Harley shop open somewhere.

  93. 93 Jeff Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Say what you want about Harley being obsolete or an antique but, Honda is still using 1900′s technology with shim under cam adjustments while Harley is using modern hydraulic. Honda is still using a wire to jerk open and close a throttle slide, Harley is throttle by wire. I’ve owned several of both and the Honda just doesn’t handle, and, contrary to popular belief, it buzzes the grips, above idle the Harley is smooth as silk.
    Irregardless, money talks. Motorcycle sales are down 11%, while Harley sales are up 30%. The largest single brand of sales in Japan is Harley. The 35 to 55 age group is owned by Harley and they have the largest single share of the total motorcycle sales of all ages. A few years ago, the magazines were laughing at how Harley simply works with what they know, using one platform for many models. Now, Honda is doing it with the Goldwing, and low and behold, the magazines are praising their wisdom of using what they have. Guess the advertising money does talk.
    And last but not least… go try to find parts for a 20 year old metric. Usually over the counter for Harleys.

  94. 94 tc1550 Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    overly fringed and enormously fendered trend goes away –
    the sooner the better………………these new bikes are strictly for the HOG type buyers/riders/posers

    with that infotainment radio the only other crap you need on your bike’s bars is a cup holder and an i phone holder so you can could use your gopro camera app for the go pro video camera that is on top of your helmet and lets not forget the power commander led display………..now all we need is a cool heads up display like in the 2014 vette

    Just too much JUNKARIA on these bikes…………..as some posted above FXR FXR FXR

  95. 95 Little rider Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Another year another boring lineup. Change the colors, add some little electronics nobody cares about, re-design an air cleaner and jack up the retail price 5%. Even the paint program is boring for 2014. Complete fail again but that’s not surprising. Dealerships are boring, accessories are boring. No new ideas in 7 years. And on top of that, they took away HOG members discounts. Selling my 4 bikes… done with the brand… for a while.

  96. 96 Smitty Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    It amazes me on all the “INDIAN lovers there are when they haven’t been delivered yet. Harley tries to upgrade the electronics for all of the riders that love the I pad, IPhone etc and now all Harleys are for pussy’s. Had Harley not upgraded their electronics the same people would say that Harley can’t stay up with the times. It’s a no win situation.
    Don’t get me wrong, Harley Davidson could do a several things to improve their motorcycles. One of those things is putting the bearings back into the Cam cover. Gear drive cams instead of the chain where you have to replace those plastic shoes every 35,000 miles. The all metal flake paint jobs from last year were a little hard to handle.
    I want Indian to be successful. It has a long way to go and I would recommend that all of those people that are ready to dump their Harleys for a new Indian might just want to wait and see how the first year goes. There are going to be glitches here and there but hopefully they will not be anything major.

  97. 97 Droid13 Aug 20th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    I guess the choice comes down too…Do you want to visit Rushmore or Crazy Horse this year? You guess where I let my Indian rest this year at Sturgis.

  98. 98 Adje Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:12 am

    Reading and looking at the pics: I will keep on ridin’ my FXR…..
    Too much electronics on all these new cycles…..

  99. 99 Mr. Lu Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:50 am

    Year after year, Harley makes minor minor minor cosmetic changes, yet the prices remain crazy high. Adding lights and gizmo’s is nice, but it is not innovative. What about body design, The retro look, the future look. Nothing has changed in many many years. The cost of engineering and construction has been paid for many years ago. What they have now is a pure profit making endeavor. They have lost their innovation. Where is the thinking out of the box engineers that made them great. Stop playing games on the internet and actually make a new product with the awesome technology that currently exists. Think about it, if you take an engine that was made five years ago and put it next to one made yesterday, the average rider will not know the difference. this is true because there is nothing new. I love harley, but I refuse to buy one until they get off their behinds and actually make something new. Other makers are cleaning up on Harley because they know that Harley lost their edge. Gee Harley what a disappointment…AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  100. 100 Boomer Aug 20th, 2013 at 5:13 am

    The slow change business model has worked well for Harley for 111 years now but the lower quality parts does concern me. The trend to satisfy the share holders over the riders since the introduction of the Twin Cam has alienated a lot of die hard HD riders over the years; including me. I still have HD oil flowing through my veins from all the knuckle bustin’ wrenchin’ blood sweat and beers late into the night working on my beloved HD’s.

    HD owners don’t like a lot of change all at once so HD is doing exactly what most HD riders want. There will always be a few who want to see HD take a chance now and then though. How many times has someone asked for a V-Rod Touring bagger from the factory. A LOT of people want a water cooled HD so why not truly ‘break out’ and build one?

    HD has a rare opportunity right now to go bold in answer to the new Indian roll out. I hope they don’t squander it just to keep the share holders happy. Yes. It is a business and it needs to make money. Most of that money is actually from overseas sales these days so why not do a limited run on something truly innovative? HD was caught flat footed this year. I’m hoping next year is their year to shine and prove they can still make a reliable premium American made bike anyone would love to own.

  101. 101 brian Aug 20th, 2013 at 5:24 am

    the “new” 2014 line up looks like it will be quite appealing….to nursing home residents…. BORING!

  102. 102 ttomdecker Aug 20th, 2013 at 6:06 am

    Hey Bombardier!!!!ake up you sleeping giant!!Ive already contemplated putting a Rotax in my chopper!Awesome power & no INSANE parts bills/service which is usually done half assesd and OVERCHARGED!I’m ready for my CAN_AM bike as of 20 years ago!I sure would have saved a LOT of $$$!

  103. 103 Dale Aug 20th, 2013 at 6:15 am

    New “radio” is cool. I hate the new faring design. Overall not to much to write home about.

  104. 104 4BS Aug 20th, 2013 at 6:34 am

    Re-designed front fender? Re-designed saddlebags? Re-designed batwing fairing? From these pics I see no difference from my 2003 FLHT. I love my Harley but when it wears out it will be my last. The company has really done nothing to improve their product in years, i.e., direct drive for the cam chains, hydraulic lifters, M6 unit for primary chain, decent brake rotors, etc. For me it will either be a Victory or metric. Indian has proven too many times it cannot compete and I predict it will not last long. But, I have been wrong twice in my life! hahahahaha

  105. 105 Gary Aug 20th, 2013 at 6:48 am

    Put lipstick on a pig and it still is JUST a pig GO INDIAN!!!

  106. 106 Mr Dick Aug 20th, 2013 at 7:12 am

    Too bad these bikes weren’t at Sturgis, so that hundreds of thousands of potential customers could see them. Does HD think that showing the current model year bikes at the biggest rally going, impresses anyone? And really, still only a 110 in a CVO. I’m keeping my 2010 til something bigger and better comes out.

  107. 107 T.D. #17 Aug 20th, 2013 at 7:34 am

    I was at Sturgis and saw the Indian bikes. Their line-up was very impressive! I ride a Heritage Softail. I too feel that Harley dropped the ball on their “new Line-up”! I heard a lot of great comments from people at the Indian booth who were Harley owners ooohing and hollerin’ about the Indians! Harley needs to pay close attention to the comments posted on this page!

  108. 108 Plexed Aug 20th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Indian is in good shape for 2014!

  109. 109 Mike Greenwald Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    Many of the improvements that are brought forth by the MoCo seem to be behind the curve. I do not get the feeling that any of these changes are in the interest of the customer, nor the supplier, nor the dealerships.

    Since WW2, it would seem that HD has intentionally bred distrust of their organization. There is a lot of sizzle and smoke but very little steak. Could it be that the product does not meet the expectation that has been generated by marketing?

    The appearance of a better product/motorcycle is countered by the weight of unresolved issues. Each iteration of the v-twin has quirks and failings. Often times, these issues are created by a bean counter approach to oiling, maintenance, and liability.

    Hidden behind hocus-pocus and gadgeteering are issues that are not being addressed, solved nor resolved.

    Getting back to basics of what constitutes a good motorcycle seem to be absent or at best a grey market implication of ride-ability, service-ability and longevity.

    The latest greatest offerings seemingly are adaptations of the technologies of other minds best left to the aftermarket.

    Milorganite is also a Milwaukee based corporation that packages a product. It seems that they are, at times, in the same business.

  110. 110 Slow Ride Aug 20th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Guys who hate Harley’s:
    1) Love to root for the underdog. They tend to be Cub’s fans or Detroit Lions fans.
    2) Hate winners and rich guys like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or Willie G.
    3) Hate big, successful corporations that employ lots of people like Exxon Mobil, Apple, (and Harley).
    4) Have negative attitudes towards most things and offer no solutions.
    5) Like alternative products so they can be “different” than their friends. They ride Gold Wings and Victory Visions, but still hang out at the Harley store.
    6) Have no money and no credit. So instead of working to improve their lot in life, they hate instead. And they can’t afford a Harley so they bitch about it.
    7) Drive responsible boring cars like the Prius.
    8) Have some sort of problem with their mother, which also means a problem with their boss and wife.
    9) Need to get laid.
    10) Like horsepower more than torque.

  111. 111 Rick Lossner Aug 20th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    About time they upgraded the piece of shit base stereo ….. was embarrassing

  112. 112 roman g. Aug 20th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    greetings from good old europe…

    i am owning a 2011 flhx and i think i will keep it alot longer as i thought ;-)

    sorry MoCo but to change the look of the inner and outer fairing was a BIG MISTAKE…

    thats like you change the star of a mercedes benz…

    all we now got is a JAPANESE STYLE TOURING LOOK….

    I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED!!!

  113. 113 morpion Aug 20th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    how many of you will go with indian,,,or maybe it,s only some talking for nothing,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  114. 114 Woody's Aug 20th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    @MG “Could it be that the product does not meet the expectation that has been generated by marketing?” Good one ;) (only for the last 50 years or so) Sadly, I feel some of the blind adoration (or brand loyalty if one prefers) has caused us the customers to share the blame. Sheesh, remember the furor over fuel injection? People who loved it in their last 3-4 cars didn’t want it on their next bike. Folks want Harley to keep making a bigger motor so it can compete with other brands smaller ones, they want major change but threaten suicide over any new detail that can be seen by closer than 50 yards, they complain about so many things while vowing to go elsewhere if Harley doesn’t give them a Shovel. Damned if they do-Damned if they don’t?

  115. 115 bobx Aug 20th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    they never do enough.
    nobody ever likes the changes.

    tbw got ripped on when it first came out in 2008.
    nobody wanted it and it would be horrible.

    the critics hate, but these HD’s will sell.

    they always do.

    bla bla bla

  116. 116 Martin Twofeather Aug 20th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Thay are beautiful with all the stuff we would have bought anyway,keep up the good work Harley Davidson…..

  117. 117 Nuke 'n Pave Dave Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    I don’t know what all the fuss is about. v Just do what I did many years ago and build yourself a good running Panhead. Ya’ do that and you can happily retire from the marketers rat race and actually get out of hock for a change. Now where do I want to go with all that extra cash? Hmmm…

  118. 118 Doug Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    @Slow Ride

    111-inch motor with a simple oil cooler vs. 103-inch motor with not 1, but TWO complicated liquid-cooling systems

  119. 119 Kickstand1 Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    I see nothing wrong with the 2014 Harleys. Sure they are a continuation and an updating of past designs but that is the Harley tradition and that is how their customers like it. They look much better than the 1947 era skirted fenders on the Indians. I predict that Indian will make only very small dents in the Harley market share. I just talked to the Victory dealer in my medium sized city and they said they will not have any Indians for 3-4 years. Indian is committing to only large markets to start out.

  120. 120 Matt W. Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Slow Ride: You are right, EVERYONE is a Harley hater! ;)

  121. 121 Terence Tory Aug 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Slow Ride, I for one hate guys who write lists,make sweeping generalisations and self-serving asssumptions about people they have never met.Or cars they have never drove.I like horsepower more than talk (and lists).

  122. 122 Bobby Aug 20th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    These are some really impressive bikes. Harley is always setting the bar so high for everyone else. I love it :)

  123. 123 James just another crazy Kiwi Aug 20th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Doug, read what Jeff has to say and remember the sales increases that HD are getting are in tough times.Also from what I read a younger demographic are riding more sporsters.
    I see that over here and think it is great.
    Not to mention HD promotes Women riding Motorcycles which is even better.

    Doug my advice to you is since you seem to want to be so no negative towards HD stay away .from
    them you will only get an ulcer.
    I do hear what you say about complacencey and agree, hopefully Indian and Triumph will keep them honest.
    Strange Americans do not see Triumph as a credible opposition to HD.Their Thunder Birds, Bonnies and rockets are all great bikes and that is where I would be looking if I did not ride HD’s
    Indians look a bit liberacey for me, engineering seems great though
    The thing is they will never always get it right.The Fat Bob back guard proves .I am gong to ring my HD dealer, the Southern most one in the world and ask him if I can take the new style back guard off the 14 and put an old style one on.tThe rest of the bike is cool including the wheels which are a great improvement.

  124. 124 James just another crazy Kiwi Aug 20th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    PS does anyone know why the Springer is no more.
    Only reason I can think of is problems getting ABS to handle the greater shock from the stiffer front end.
    Someone must know ?????

  125. 125 Boris Aug 20th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    @James: The word is that the Springer front end won’t work with the ABS and Harley wants all of its bikes to have ABS.

    Also, you said: “Strange Americans do not see Triumph as a credible opposition to HD.Their Thunder Birds, Bonnies and rockets are all great bikes and that is where I would be looking if I did not ride HD’s.”

    I like Triumphs, especially the Bonneville. The seat height is a little high. But it’s annoying that the Bonnie is now being manufactured in Thailand and not in the UK. That’s enough for me to hesitate in buying a new one. Why couldn’t they have kept the classic designs coming out of the Hinckley factory? As for the Rocket III, it’s bulky and ponderous in my opinion. The Thunderbird? While I’m sure it’s a capable machine, it looks like just another generic Asian cruiser geared to the American market. No real distinction there.

  126. 126 Doug Aug 20th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    @James – you’re talking in circles. You write I’m being so negative then you say you agree with me when I only expressed one point, which was about HD being complacent.

    Don’t confuse constructive criticism with being negative. I very much like the grey Street Glide above but I see a lot of wasted opportunity with a company that has/had their resources.

    Some would argue HD is in some ways worse than GM ever was when the latter was at its worst. Imagine if GM treated the Corvette engineers & designers like HD treated their performance group of engineers & designers.

  127. 127 Max Frisson Aug 20th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Linked brakes were introduced by MOTO GUZZI in 1975, has been on many Hondas, like my 97 CB1100xx and my 2005 ST1300. I unlinked the brakes in my Guzzis and they worked much better

    BMW had ABS in 1988 and I removed the system on my 1993 K1100RS, which was also linked. it took off 30+ pounds and radically improved the brakes. The new BMW ABS is great though, doesn’t pulse and let go like the early ones did. I’m a front brake guy, seldom use the rear except to set up for a corner or panic stop

    Touch screens wear out much faster than switches, my Garmins all develop dead spots, I was just having to deal with imputing info in a touch screen at the pharmacy today and all the failures. These screen out in the sun a lot will fade too.

    I really was hoping for a 1400cc V-Rod powered Touring class bike. Frankly, look at the 2014 Guzzi California 1400, nice looking ride. And the footpegs are in a reasonable position. What is with all these floorboards and forward controls, I want a mid-control touring bike with a higher seat. Which is why I only ride Harleys when paid to. I hate the controls, too fat, too clunky and ergonomically illogical.

    I like Indian, some of my friends work there but I’m not the fringe and valanced fender type. A Scout with standard controls, big real brakes and some power and I would consider it. It is ashame the VMax is so damned ugly.

  128. 128 Mack Aug 20th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    com·pla·cent [kuhm-pley-suhnt]
    1.pleased, especially with oneself or one’s merits, advantages, situation, etc., often without awareness of some potential danger or defect; self-satisfied
    Someone mentioned GM seems all too familiar
    After reading all these it looks like the MOCO ain’t doing something right
    Only so many “new markets” to tap into ….boomers are getting older and older
    Indian( Polaris ) should take note:SCOUT
    and HD : FXR FXR FXR

  129. 129 Nitschke Aug 20th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    @Doug, you have some inside knowledge about how H-D performance engineers are being treated? Oh please do tell. We’d all love to hear about it.

  130. 130 fxrocket Aug 21st, 2013 at 1:35 am

    I think you guys should just ride. Forget all the BS of how Harley-Davidson has FAILED YOU!

  131. 131 James just another crazy Kiwi Aug 21st, 2013 at 3:35 am

    GM produced allot of crap no one wanted to buy for along time.
    I am from a GM Family, many Holdens, my company car is a Commodore.I have a 66 Chev pick up and I live along ways away from you
    HD does some dum things ,all companies do. Humans have refined dum.
    The Charcoal Pearl Street Glide is bloody georgous.
    That was the first positive thing you said.I am not trying to annoy you but
    some of these innovations on the latest bikes are great.Some of the paint is great.
    I dont like everything they do but that does not make me hate the company !!
    I bought a new 1983 XLX it shit the crank pin in 6000 miles. I was young and the warranty over here covered parts only. The importer then was a prick.
    I was broke for along time. Still I remained loyal. My Shovels were not perfect either.Still remained loyal.I am Harley Davidson through and through and very bloody proud of it.
    but like a good Woman she aint perfect all the time.
    If you dumped your wife every time she annoyed you no one would be married for more than 2 weeks after the honey moon
    PS the XLX cost $12800 here then that was allot of coin for a 21 year old but I still do not regret it

  132. 132 Jeffersonian Aug 21st, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Well. I’m not a expert. I’ve only been riding for 35 years or so, but I think all the changes harley has made that make their mtorcycles better touring machines are positive and attractive. I have never been a fan of stereos on motorcycles so the stereo affects me not except it will be more money I have to spend for something I won’t use. sigh. They have made some real improvements here and good for them. I am a little confused that the biggest news here, the liquid cooling, is being treated by H-D as if it doesn’t exist. this is HUGE! It will allow them to finally build in some horsepower. Nice! Can’t understand why they won’t talk about it.

    I bought a ’13 Road glide custom last sept. after having had a ’04 RG and a ’07 RG as my latest Harleys. It is awesome! Best Harley I’ve ever had (except for the rear shocks and I’m still a little upset about them). Now I’ve only managed to put around 20K miles on it so it is far from worn out. I’m going to hold off on a new bike until I see what they do with the new Road Glide in 2015?. I hope it is a full fairing true sport touring bike like a ST1100 or a beemer. It would be incredible.

  133. 133 Doug Aug 21st, 2013 at 9:32 am

    @Nitschke – ask EBR. You didn’t get the sportscar to sports bike analogy?

  134. 134 Tim Aug 21st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Looks like panic time for Suzuki! HD is coming after their market!

    What a joke lineup- progress….. HD should look it up.

  135. 135 Blackmax Aug 21st, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Ok, so they had to do something ????
    H-D gets a B for effort, but considering they knew Indian was coming….
    In my book they did not do enough to keep up.
    Yes the electric “toys” and the fairing are nice.
    But I have said on this very blog many, many times
    that if the LED lighting was such a big deal why aren’t they standard?
    I’m glad somebody finally either read this blog or figured it out
    Of course the H-D faithful will be lining up to buy
    But as far as attracting new riders, they’ve got a long way to go
    When Indian comes out with their Scout
    (and they will very soon if you can judge by the way Victory releases their new models)
    I hear the market share (& shareholder’s profits) shrinking even as we write
    Also I believe you will see more of the faithful looking at their old style air cooled bikes,
    after trying to maintain them with aftermarket parts, finally turn and give real consideration
    to Indian (and some to Victory) . I wish H-D the best and I’m really not a “hater”
    but they got to do better than this! Indian hit the ball out of the park, Harley only hit a single …..

  136. 136 Ray K Aug 21st, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Wow…I own a 2000 Road King, MY 2000 RK looks just like a 1990 RK…the 2014 RK looks just like both of them. Seriously, that’s 24 years and the bike is basically the exact same. 24 years….

  137. 137 bart Aug 21st, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Def not a h-d hater…love certain h-d models. As for wishing that Bonnies were still being built in the UK.. – LOL, try and remember that there’s a reason merry old England lost an entire world dominant motorcycle industry immediately the first competitor showed up (Asian no less). Asians will always make a better built bike (or car) than Nigel (than again I suspect half the occupants of Hinckley are from India or Pakistan anyway…so I really don’t get the “wish they were still made in England nonsense”.)

  138. 138 Mr Dick Aug 23rd, 2013 at 7:23 am

    And after 45 years, they decide to ruin the bat wing fairing, can’t we live without that dumb looking vent?

  139. 139 Shane Stratton Aug 23rd, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    So did any of the idiots on here that are complaining saying Harley has done nothing new ever wonder if the Riders ever complained? Why fix something that’s not broken? If you want to customize your fucking bike then do so at your own discretion. Thats what Harley primarily is used for Customization for the rider. They don’t have to come out with new shit, no reason to when most people are gonna cut, chop and add for what they want. And for those who dont Customize, they obviously dont have a reason to complain. Quite bitching about them not doing anything new, the bikes are fine the way they are. You are asking for more, those who actually ride are comfortable with where they are at.

  140. 140 Harleyboss Aug 23rd, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    I’m glad ther is a “choice in American motorcycles” for most of the people on this blog. Please do not show up at my dealerahip. My new integrated GPS will help you find the closest poser bike retailer to go to. Just because your welfare checks and food stamps arent reedmable to buy a Harely, doesn’t mean you get to trash something you cant afford. mOrONS!

  141. 141 Terence Tory Aug 24th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    I think the new Twin-Cooled 103 should be called the “Snakehead”,……because it shakes’n’bakes with hidden snakes.

  142. 142 Smitty Aug 24th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Harleyboss,

    You better watch it! Washington might be getting ready to allow food stamps to be redeemable at your HD dealership anytime now! Might as well, I saw a lady with four kids buy cigarettes the other day with her food stamps. Why not a motorcycle?

  143. 143 Johnny Intrieri Oct 25th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    Have owned many new Harley Davidsons in my life and have had 5 bikes at one time including my ’04 Triumph America which looks like it came out of the early 70′s now. Hence the early 70′s. The only Harley left in the stable is a ’06 Street Bob done to look in the same era as the Trumpet. Getting on in years and saw the ’13 Sportster (72′s). Wow, what metal flake! Slim Whitewall Tires, Baloney Cut Mufflers, Mini Apehangers and the Flake. Brought back alot of memories. Easy on us riders that still dig that look. Loved the red metal flake and the green metal flake Harley was offering in their ’13 models. What do they do? They discontinue those colors for the ’14 models!! Why fix something when it ain’t broke? Guess I have to hunt down one of those colors before they are all gone. I have read all of the above comments and feel you can’t satisfy everyone. I will stick with the Harleys and Triumphs for whatever time I have left on the road. Good luck to Indian on their venture. Hey I look at it this way. One more company to knock the rice burners out of here. Ride safe, and forget the radio’s and all of the other gadgets they are stuffing down your throat. There is nothing like hearing your scoot going down the road and being one with your bike.

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