Exclusive. American IronHorse Motorcycle Closing Its Doors?

Sad news at a time where we are in Cincinnati celebrating our love for the V-Twin industry. American IronHorse was the main competitor of Big Dog Motorcycles in the market segment of "production custom motorcycles". Follow the confirmation I received from one of their employees. " American IronHorse closed its doors officially this past week. Laying off pretty much everyone with the exception of a couple of big salaries. Employees were told possible return in march but nothing definitive . This during a 2 week layoff already in place. Doesn’t look good". Can it be only temporarily? It’s what I wish them. CH.

February 5th. Below is the letter that Buck Hendrickson, CEO, just sent to all American IronHorse Dealers.

"This letter is intended to address dealers concerns with American IronHorse.  Despite rumors, we are not closed, we have not filed bankruptcy, and we are not abandoning our dealers.  We are currently in a production hold, in an attempt to prevent overproduction from the factory, or overloading individual dealers.  This same overproduction and overloading of dealers has led to the majority of problems that you each see on a daily basis.  As a manufacturer, if we do not take action to prevent a repeat of a problem, we are committing a huge injustice to each of you, and to ourselves.  We are still offering incentives to dealers to help sell bikes, and hope that you will take advantage of these programs.  As a manufacturer, we are also working diligently on projects to ensure a quality future both for us, and each of you.  Moving forward, we will keep our network of dealers informed of all happenings, and hope that you will do the same.  We thank you for your patience, and your loyalty to American IronHorse Motorcycles" Buck Hendrickson, CEO American IronHorse Motorcycle Company

71 Responses to “Exclusive. American IronHorse Motorcycle Closing Its Doors?”

  1. 1 Donnie Feb 4th, 2008 at 4:29 pm


  2. 2 DJ CHOPPER GOD Feb 4th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    No surprise. R.I.P.

  3. 3 Brett Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    The fad is over…..the rich have found new hobbies. Oh well, Production Chopper just isn’t something that should be anyway.

  4. 4 Chop Net Feb 5th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    A true custom bike should never be mass produced.

  5. 5 Rodent Feb 5th, 2008 at 10:23 am


  6. 6 Tim Hanlon Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    A sad sigh of the times. Interesting, OCC comes in and Iron horse goes out. This will be a turbulent year.

  7. 7 Tim Hanlon Feb 5th, 2008 at 1:01 pm


  8. 8 Cj Hanlon Feb 5th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    I’d heard rumors while at the show, so thanks for confirming. The industry HAS to change to survive, regardless of who or what size we are there will be fatalities…However, it all washes out and things level back down. Those in the industry will become stronger because of it.
    Guilty Customs

  9. 9 Tony Martin Feb 5th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Say it ain’t so, hopefully they can bounce back in March. Meanwhile, what will AIH owners do for parts and expensive warranties we purchased????

  10. 10 RF Feb 5th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Actually, American IronHorse is still in business. They have not closed their doors & they have not filed for bankruptcy, YET. They are going through some tough times & they are working a skeleton staff, but right now they are still in business. I don’t know what will happen, but it doesn’t look good.

  11. 11 Randy Feb 5th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    OCC will be the next to go!

  12. 12 Biker Bob Feb 5th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    I was one of their dealers early on and I saw Tim Edmonson and Bill Rucker take the company through the roof with the introduction of the Tejas and the Texas Chopper models, then they improved the styling of the slammer and other models, even offering the Ranger in 2001 a bike for everyone. Sadly the styling and over all looks of the line of bikes never really changed after 2001 and 2002, just some cosmetics and graphics. Still with no nation wide coverage like OCC, American Ironhorse as a company did very well until Rucker and Edmonson departed, kinda went down hill from there. You can’t take the fire from under the pot and expect it to keep boiling.

    Biker Bob

  13. 13 Mike Feb 5th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Anybody want to see the official response fro AIH I will be happy to e-mail it to you or post on this site. From the CEO they have not closed and have not filed. I believe they are in trouble but I also believe that Textron Financial is so deep they will not let them go out and Textron has the resources to pull it off. This was sent on AIH letterhead today.

    February 4, 2008

    To: All Dealers

    RE: Current Status of American IronHorse

    This letter is intended to address dealers concerns with American IronHorse. Despite rumors, we are not closed, we have not filed bankruptcy, and we are not abandoning our dealers. We are currently in a production hold, in an attempt to prevent overproduction from the factory, or overloading individual dealers. This same overproduction and overloading of dealers has led to the majority of problems that you each see on a daily basis. As a manufacturer, if we do not take action to prevent a repeat of a problem, we are committing a huge injustice to each of you, and to ourselves. We are still offering incentives to dealers to help sell bikes, and hope that you will take advantage of these programs. As a manufacturer, we are also working diligently on projects to ensure a quality future both for us, and each of you. Moving forward, we will keep our network of dealers informed of all happenings, and hope that you will do the same. We thank you for your patience, and your loyalty to American IronHorse Motorcycles.

    Buck Hendrickson
    American IronHorse Motorcycle Company

  14. 14 j Feb 5th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    How many dealers are left carrying AIH?

  15. 15 AIH Employee Feb 6th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Please listen to Mr. Hendrickson’s statement, it is accurate and true. By the way; O.C.C was never a player in this industry (AIH had 400 employees)…….8 weeks to build a bike is one thing, 8 hours to build a quality motorcycle is another. Either way, adjusment to the market is needed and called for. Just like politics; games must be played and tricks must be used; the best and brightest will overcome.

  16. 16 j Feb 6th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Very Sad!
    Best wishes to AIH and all the dealers!

  17. 17 jojoe Feb 6th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Unfortunately for American Ironhorse they have managed to burn every bridge possible in regards to there vendor/suppliers. Even if they managed to get some new investors and strong sales, can they really keep from screwing it up again? As much as they hate to admit it, they need the Bob Kays, Bill Ruckers, Tim Edmonsons of the world . If anything for there knowledge of the industry. You need to keep them on a tight leash, but you need those kinds of guys. A guy from Johnson & Johnson as there ceo ,(lets see 2 ceos ago)what does he know about the custom motorcycle industry ? people will always need shampoo but a 30- 40 thousand dollar toy in these times dont think so..


  18. 18 '04 TX Chopper Feb 6th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Not a HUGE shock as ALOT of the dealers were closing up all over the US. BigDog Motorcycles has also been laying off people the past few months, ande I’m sure they’re not far behind. The money for BD comes from the Coleman family and sooner or later they’ll get tired of losing money also.

    With a restructuring AIH may come back, but they’re (company) debt is SO LARGE they’ll need ALOt of help.

  19. 19 Ryan Feb 7th, 2008 at 1:46 am

    So with AIH closing its doors and BigDog laying people off—who does that leave for the average Joe who can’t afford ( but of coarse dreams of) Big Bear Choppers, anyone else? Is BBC still doing good or are they on the decline as well?

  20. 20 Layed off Feb 7th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    The problems with Big Dog Motorcycles is not only the Economy or the Chopper fad being over. Product reliability has been a problem at big dog since 2005. When the average bike has five warranty claims in the first 500 miles would you purchase a second one?

  21. 21 insider Feb 8th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Ryan, I can tell you from the inside that Big Bear Choppers is as bad off as anyone, if not worse. The entire sales team quit, and dealers arent being paid for warranty work. Im sure AIH and Big Dog will pull through, but BBC will probably be the first to actually close the doors.

  22. 22 Stevo Feb 8th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    The writing has been on the wall for Iron Horse for a long time now. I’m not too sure if anyone is suprised at this point. The Dealers have been unloading their Bikes for a while now at well below cost. They have been going down hill for the last year. A lot of Dealers that I have talked to are wanting to pick up Big Dog and I think that would be a pretty good idea. Times are very tough in this Industry, but it will bounce back. If there will be anyone left, I’m confident Big Dog will remain. They have laid off a few employees but made adjustments early to accomidate for the slow times and if any of you were in Cincinnati, you got a glimps of what’s to come from them. It seems that they are not just sitting still waiting on the Market to improve, but pressing forward and will be ready when it rebounds. Good Luck Big Dog. Sorry American Iron Horse, IT’S TIME TO GO. R.I.P.

  23. 23 Stevo Feb 8th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Buy the way. I have a 2006 Big Dog K-9 myself and haven’t had a problem with it since I’ve owned it. I would check your warranty claims over the past couple of years. They seemed to have improved dramatically. Iron Horse unfortunatly fought the same speedometer problems for the past 6 years.

  24. 24 Dennis Johnson Feb 8th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Hey Insider, in regards to what you’ve posted about Big Bear Choppers I’d be very interested in talking with you. Click on my name for more info.

  25. 25 Dan Feb 12th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    I agree with one of the above posters, in the fact that AIH hasn’t changed their style in years. They look the exact same as they did years back. You can’t expect to keep up with all the new bikes that are out today. The newer bikes are fuel injected, better trans, paint and overall parts. Sorry to see them go though.

  26. 26 Dan Feb 12th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Ryan, Big Bear will be fine. It’s still a six month wait if you order one of their bikes. They are producing 40 bikes a month. They aren’t going to make the same mistake as AIH and even Big Dog in the fact that they won’t “over-expand”. They put very high quality parts on their bikes and as an owner, they have backed up everything they say. I do see however, the cost of these bikes coming down. The industry can’t keep raising the price of these bikes with the current economy.

  27. 27 mr flap Feb 13th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Personnally, I hate to see AIH having problems,they are one of the best riding bikes I have seen, and I am sure will bounce back with ease. I do hope BIG DOG stays in business,simply for the reason, that they have so many warranty recalls it keeps me employed full time.

  28. 28 Canada Feb 13th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    AIH is not a honest company and have burnt bridges all over Canada , it seems as if the engineering department runs the buisness , now you no why they are in trouble , BIG CIGARS AND MOTORCARS , that is what they are good for , they spent more money intertaining themselves rather than helping or working with the dealers , just thought they where to big and ruled the roost , you ever try to get a call back from them if your a dealer , their customer service stinks . They let a lot of good people go who really cared bought the company and took the pride in the product . They would of recovered but when you burn a bridge in Canada your done just ask IRONHORSE and TITAN and BIG BEAR CHOPPERS

  29. 29 Dan Feb 13th, 2008 at 11:47 pm


    Sounds like everyones burned ya’ll. What’s up with that?

  30. 30 problem eh Feb 14th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Canada, seems like you might need to go back a finish the 4th grade. That is some of the worst writing/typing I have ever seen. Maybe those companies didn’t screw you, you were just too stupid to understand.

  31. 31 Canada Feb 14th, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    canada ; little do you all no canada seems to no the market and probally have better designers for motorcycles than the usa . We have supplied the us market for frames and steel parts for a few years , the designs for big bear choppers which alsip stold , the Paul yaffee creations which he never paid for , the handle bars on many manufactures bikes , and yes the more important parts the frames that are produced with Canadian steel and yes we have Roger Goldhammer who has created many designs which companies in the US could only copy , just ride some of those other bikes like Titan which has a speed wobble second to none and 62 miles per hour , and all they could say was we don’t ride them that fast here ah ah great comment coming from production to a customer , over priced AIH thought they could dump motorcycles into Canada as none currents and chasrge full price and in the us sell them for half price do you really think that we are that stupid ,highly unlikely.most dealers in Canada strive on Customer Service and continue support from their customer base and will go to any lengths to keep their customers happy , we don’t have to have a lemon law in Canada for we stand behind the product we sell even when the manufacture doesn’t support the dealer net work they had set up , i could tell you a lot more but when you read some of the bullshit like BUck H is giving it’s a shame the so many beleive his words , i have watched dealers in the US sell and they sell the same way a used car salesman sells and that is bullshit, as for the spelling i’m not writing a book , but you still got the piont Yeh”

  32. 32 Dan Feb 15th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Ouch! That last reply was brutal! I do want to ask one thing…did Big Bear really steal their frame ideas. This isn’t the first time I’ve heard this. I heard they stole the dragon tail design from Martin Bros. As far as the steel issue…Candada, we have some of the BIGGEST steal industries around. Why would the US steal your steel? Getting back to the original post…AIH pulling out is bad for the whole industry and I’ll leave it at that.

  33. 33 Canada Feb 15th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Canada >>>> yes big cub did steal frame and design ideas from Nasty Boy Motorcycle out of Bolton Ontario , John Sheard was the designer and yes they where producing everything in Canada for big CUB when they started and following not paying they did alter their 15% and then called it theirs , and those people in Canada did everthing with a hand shake , which was stupid but they are old school and took their word and yes in the end they got burnt.
    The old way is not the best but a Canadians word is 100% good most of the time , but we also have our snakes to , but not so much in this industry , they are mostly old school people in the bike industry .
    As for Paul Y same thing never paid his bills and all his metal came from the same people , Handle bars for Titan was also used from the same people ,but we no where Titan is headed >>>> RIP
    The sales quote was a little harsh but i have watched and shouldn’t be judging everyone the same , but i would put Kevin Alsip ,Mona , Andy Proodfoot ,and Paul Yaffee in the same gategory ….. SNAKE ( not hand shake type people , everything is for their own personel gain and they don’t care who they burn , and yes don’t forget bought AIH , get rid of SCOTT WATERS and maybe they wouldn’t lose so much out the back door , and BUCK who just another WIL no knowledge of the industry , great dealer meetings don’t spare no expense when they new the ship was sinking , Scott the young women chaser , old enough to be his daughter, he thought he could come into Canada and not comply and now they have a wop trying to be their distrubutor , that again want’s to dump non currents to Canada , there is no trust in the dealer net work and there is a group that will stop the companies that have burnt the Canadian dealers and will continue to convince them to the companies that are honest and will work to make the Canadian DEalers strong …etc. Pro One ,Saxon , and for Roger B stay out of Canada you are no better you just have money another promise breaker , who already burnt one dealer and then started to deal with someone else , priced way to high , OCC fit and finnish is bullshit and just because they are on TV that doesn’t mean you get a quality bike .
    there are others that are good and should come to Canada like JIm Nasi , great builder and great bike , Swift should stick to the trucking industry not a strong dealer support program .
    I could go on on and this is through experience not just hear say and as for the spelling i ‘m soory but suffer …… yeh Canada and yes i love the US also we all have rats just seems that the us have more in one industry that we all love , the bike >>>>>>>>>>

  34. 34 Dallas Feb 16th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    RE: AIH. It’s been two weeks, do any insiders know if they are using a skeleton workforce and/or if only the CFO and CEO are there working on the proposed asset sale? I believe the CFO is a member of Tatum and has resources/contacts available to execute a deal.

  35. 35 AIH-er Feb 19th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Still has a crew, still on a production hold, some exciting things in the making. Stay tuned.

  36. 36 pissed of supplier Feb 21st, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    These guys owe us like 40 grand and won’t return any phone calls.. Buck YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT!!! Fucking Guy left me a message saying we could work something out (at like 5 in the morning) havent heard from him since. I’ll run into him i’m sure @ the gentlemens club one of these days, with all his free time Ive heard from a couple regulars he’s in there playing the ceo rockstar part..fucking douchebag

    mr. dumbass
    aka should have seen it coming

  37. 37 American Idiot Feb 21st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    canada, your name is PETER TOMCO, and I need not point out your obvious handicaps. For those who don’t know, PETER TOMCO is the Canadian who first tried to bring Titan, Borget, and American Iron Horse into Canada. He was an absolute buffoon, and eventually got them all kicked out, delaying their returns until the bikes WERE PROPERLY QUALIFIED PER PETER ZONGORA. PETER TOMCO REFUSED to do things the right way, then tried to point fingers, which is quite appearant with all the names (EXCEPT HIS OWN) he dropped above. Most interesting thing is he managed to get his Canadian contacts in TRANSPORT CANADA reassigned, which is how PETER ZONGORA got PETER THE INCOMPETENT run out of the industry.

    PS, if I spelled your last name wrong PETER TOMCO, it’s because YOU CAN’T SPELL IT EITHER, YOU FUCKING IDIOT!

  38. 38 ANT Feb 21st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Wow, you can just feel the love in the above posts. Really is a shame that things have gone down the way they have.

    I for one don’t appreciate the "wop" comment above, figures that a "dumb Canuck" would say something like that. How’s THAT feel "bro"?

  39. 39 Killed By Cager Feb 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    American Ironhorse has fucked over so many customers they should shut down! My dealer, no longer in buisnees, fought with them over my peice of shit weekly. Always the same problems, no tech support and no parts. My bike broke down 18 times in 9 months, 3 times in Sturgis, spent my whole week at their dispay. Thank God for the Side Hack strip club. They are also backing out of the settlement we reached over the lemon law suit we filed against them. They told my lawyer there was no money left to pay me with! FUCK AMERICAN IRONJUNK!

  40. 40 Get the story straight Feb 27th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Slander is not right , but let’s put the story straight.
    1) Nasty boy Motorcycles was the first custom bike to get dot approval for Canada , they had did all their testing at their factory and it took a long time and complied to all Transport Canada”s requests .
    2) Titan tried to get Nasty Boy to do their compliance and they refused for they had no trust in Titan and there was no show of $$$$ for doing it or no quarntee that they would use Nasty Boy to make any of their parts.
    3) Titan was given a copy of the compliance book to follow with hope that they would get orders for frames and metals.
    4) no one told Titan to copy the book and just change the name , this was the first step , witnessed many wrong doings , that did not sit well , in fact Titan probally still has that Nasty Boy copy , so the whistle was blown to Transport Canada .
    5) Now for the reprint of this compliance book marked Titan was again used by Ironhorse , which still have in their position , and used it to follow , but they had a engineering department that new better and tried to produce their own , with the attitude we are god and we will do this , again big cigars and motor cars attituide , wrong , and to think they could dump all non current bikes into Canada at full dealer price to Canadian dealers and allow the sale of the same bikes in the US at dealerships sell for much less than the dealer cost .
    6) IronHorse then would sell direct to the customer and take sales away from their dealers …yes ,but in exchange cram bikes down dealers throats .
    and still trying to get dealers to take non currents at half price , this looks like they are taking lessons from Titan , all though they don’t change serial ###
    That we no .
    7) also when companies are not playing fairball with the goverment would you put your name to their product, some people don’t no the procedure , but the importer of records holds all responsibility of each bike that comes into Canada for the life time that bike remains in Canada , now tell me would you want that type of responsibiltiy , when you no that they are not following the regulations .
    8) Mr. T is still in the industry and doing very well and i have seen dealers that no him follow him to the next company, due to his knowledge of the Canadian market and the contacts he has , and he certainly did not have any problems with Transport Canada , he was very pleased of all of their dissions on the companies that thought they where above the law .

    in closing i’m much younger and have seen how these companies stretch the truth not follow our Canadian guidelines and really don’t care how the dealer does.

    so that is the truth and i can back it up

  41. 41 Get the story straight Feb 27th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    as a goverment employee , i no the truth …………….so let’s leave it at that.
    and as for the spelling are you that stupid to realize great move on my behalf AH AH !
    Zongora will also back this statment .

  42. 42 AMERICAN IDIOT Feb 28th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Yes PETER, let’s get the story straight.

    1) YOU supplied the Nasty Boys’ compliance manual to Titan.
    2) YOU supplied the Titan manual to AIH.
    3) You are the one who told Proudfoot he could change the VIN’s on Titans.
    4) YOU are the one who told Wil Garland the older AIH bikes could have the VIN numbers re-assigned as new in Canada.
    5) YOU are the one who told the engineering department you had an “in” with Transport Canada.
    6) YOU are also the dick stain that got paid $80,000 by AIH over the course of 1 year, while trying to circumnavigate Transport Canada’s rules to FUCK YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN. Want to “prove” differently? POST YOUR BANK STATEMENT. The “wop” is actually a stand-up guy, working with the “gods” in the AIH engineering department, who takes pride in doing things THE RIGHT WAY.

    Living in your country at the time of the meeting Transport Canada head a Q and A session in Quebec, I witnessed 2 things of noteworthyness.


    I also heard tell YOU were sending inappropriate e-mails to some of the females half YOUR age in the marketing department at AIH. Should I contact them and ask they to forward one to this blog?


    It’s also going to suck when you come across some of these people you have slandered, not to mention your own countrymen who can fit the pieces together with regards to what you did to them!

  43. 43 Shel Feb 28th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Let me tell you about what I am currently dealing with American Ironhorse. Last year, I bought an American Ironhorse and paid almost $40,000 for it at V-Twins 101 in Camarillo, CA. I was the happiest lad on the planet as motorcycles are one of my favorite past-times.

    Several months down the road, I started experiencing problems. The problems were minor – a loose screw here, loose grounds there, etc. I brought it into V-Twins for any maintenance and repairs that my bike needed (mostly things covered under my warranty). A lot of the work done was mostly covered under warranty. I’ve also ordered thousands of dollars worth of after market parts like levers, forward controls, etc. and V-Twins would do the ordering and installation of all those parts.

    8 months ago, the speedometer went out and V-Twins replaced it under warranty. 3 months down the road, the speedometer went out again and they replaced it. When I got the bike the second time around, I noticed that the calibration was completely off and the bike was running really bad. V-Twins ordered the speedometer (which is covered by warranty) as the one that was just installed was faulty and then informed me that my head gasket was blown. They fixed the head gasket (hmmm the bike only had 2200 miles) and they orderd the third odometer from Gary who worked in the warranty department at AIH in TX. My service guy at V-Twins was told that it was back-ordered by 8 weeks.

    I got my bike back after the head gasket was replaced and my bike was still riding really crappy. In the middle of a ride, my bike would just stop. I’d restart and I’d be able to ride it for a few miles and then it’d stop again.

    I called V-Twins and told them something was wrong and to my amazement and shock, I was told by the owner that they can no longer work on my bike as American Ironhorse owes them $4,000 in warranty work from mine and other AIH bikes.

    OUTRAGE is an understatement to how I felt. Here my bike is, sitting in my garage not running right and one of the dealer that I bought my bike from
    refused to work on it without payment.

    I immediately had my assistant contact AIH in TX and had her notify them of the issue. She had been trying to get a hold of someone since the end of January until finally, she was able to get a hold of Vickey from AIH in TX with their first correspondence taking place on February 18. My assistant asked if they were going out of business and Vickey said that they downsized, but no, they weren’t going out of business.

    Vickey also assured her that everything regarding the money that was owed to V-Twins would get taken care of and she would pass on the information to her accounting department, sales manager, and whoever else it needed to get to in order for this to get resolved. It’s been a week and a half, and guess what, still nothing!

    I had no choice but to bring my bike back to the dealer that has been working on it and pull money out of my pocket to get it fixed. With a little luck I will get my bike back today. This is becoming an unending nightmare!

    In regards to my third speedometer, 8 weeks passes, we check up on it and nothing, another 8 weeks passes and nothing again. This keeps on occurring and now we’re 6 months down the road and guess what, STILL NOTHING!

    Is anyone else experiencing the frustration I am?

  44. 44 Speedmaster Feb 28th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Read Cyril’s article at:
    Does it look like AIH is going to help you?

  45. 45 Not Much Help Feb 28th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Thunderheart made those speedometers. It’s not much help, considering you will probably have to buy it yourself, but at least you know where to get one.

  46. 46 The Total Package Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    I bought a 2007 AIH Texas Chopper during September of 07. I’ve been very pleased with the bike so far. If AIH goes under, I plan on removing the ECM and wiring system and changing it over to a complete S&S Cycle electrical and control system. I know that S&S will be around for a long time to come. That way, I know I’ll have parts if something breaks. All AIH transmissions are made in China. If my tranny breaks, a Baker 6-Speed will go back in to eliminate an tranny problems.

  47. 47 The Total Package Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    I have a question. Who makes the AIH ECM and control system for the Texas Chopper?

  48. 48 tom barrett Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    being a owner of a american ironhorse i would like to see this story end like shawshank redmeption….the ceo of american ironhorse painting the ceiling with his brains!

  49. 49 David Mar 1st, 2008 at 9:42 am

    So check this out. I got an 05 American Ironhorse LSC. Front Exhaust Valve broke in half. I had to take it to Savannah GA to get it fixed due to the fact the dealer I bought it from stopped dealing with them… I dropped it off in GA on Jan 15 the bike is still sitting and only 5 out of the 10 parts were shipped to the dealer. The dealer calls me on Feb 19 and tells me I am going to have to pay for the labor because Ironhorse has not sent them any money in four months for labor… I said I gave you the bike a month ago if you knew about this for four months why didn’t you tell me then? They said Oh someone was supposed to call you about that but that never happened. So now I have called Ironhorse, the dealer, and no progress has been made on the bike nor do I believe it will be. This engine is under full warranty and it is not being honored. What to do. I am not a rich man I am in fact a Sailor in the Navy an E-6 wife three kids. I been riding for years thought it would be nice to step it up payments were not bad, but now with all the maintenance problems and engine issues looks like I am stuck up Sh*( creek without a bike. I would have to pay about 1700 to have the dealer fix it and return it to me. I would if I thought the money would be returned to me. Now I got a bike I owe 23000.00 on and can’t ride it. I have no clue what to do and can not believe this has happened. Sucks. Any suggestions from anyone would be appreciated. I can only get through to one person at ironhorse (a female) and she has no idea what is going on. I have explained to them everything. Funny thing is warranty side of the company approved everything the finance side has just not paid… Contact me please… Tell me what to do. Please I know this is a self inflicted ass kicking that I have provided to myself so if you feel like reminding me of that just “hold fast”. Thanks. Dave, South Carolina.

  50. 50 The Total Package Mar 1st, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Dave: My heart goes out to you. From the way it looks, the best thing to do, in my opinion, is to bite the bullet and pay for the repairs if you can afford it. At least you’ll be riding. Save your receipts just in case AIH comes out of this. The engine is made by S&S Cycle. I would contact S&S and asked them what they could do about the engine warranty since AIH may be going away.

    From what I understand, AIH is being sued for some of these issues as we speak by other customers, however, if AIH is bankrupt, the plaintiff may not get any money and will have to pay all his own legal fees which could be thousands of dollars. It will be cheeper in the long run to simply pay for the repairs and be done with it.

    However, since this issue may be in litigation at present, S&S may decide to do nothing on the warranty, since this is an AH bike, until the courts makes a judgement in these cases which could be two or more years down the road.

  51. 51 David Mar 1st, 2008 at 10:26 am

    Yeah it sucks. Unfortunately I can’t pay for the repairs right now. I am making the payments on the bike though. Too many issues the last few months to afford it now. Will try and contact S&S though I fear it won’t make any difference. So you think it will go unrepaired by Ironhorse? I will tell you this much I will never do this again. Once I can get from under this bike it will be back to the standard production V-Twin, Harley… Probably have to buy a honda with the loss I will take on this bike. Thanks.


  52. 52 David Mar 1st, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Not that there is anything wrong with Honda by the way.

  53. 53 AJ Mar 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    contact you state’s attorney general

  54. 54 David Mar 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    If you please, what would that do? I heard today from a dealership locally that AIH in Ft Worth had a 10 million dollar liquidation of inventory…

  55. 55 Cyril Huze Mar 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm
  56. 56 Tony, the big cheese Mar 2nd, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Do not put any faith what so ever in AIH. I checked with my parts department, I do not have any used or reburbished parts that would repair the bike. I did discuss it with my service manager and he is aware that we are going to reduce the labor rate to $60.00 per hour in order to help you mitigate your costs if you decide to bring your LSC to our shop to be repaired. Let me know on Tuesday what you come up with at S&S. I will then call my friend there at S&S and see what if anything he can do to help us out. If you have a copy of the repair order showing the diagnosis, labor hours, and parts list from the other shop then fax it to my office so I can see what we need to do in order to get you helped out. If no one will help us with the parts then you will have to pay for the parts, however I will give you a deep discount on off retail in order to help you. Also, one last thing I can attempt to help you with is since your factory warranty is going out on March 24th I can set you up with a 24 month extended warranty through GALT in order to give you some peice of mind for the next 2 years. I will sell you the warranty at my cost plus $25.00 (to cover administration) so off set the frustrations you have had. Lastly, if you get the bike sold then let me know and I will get you a Suzuki as a strong discount. We have some cool cruisers that you and the wife will enjoy….fast, good looking, and less expensive than a Harley (i.e. – C109R). Thanks.

  57. 57 Not Much Help Mar 3rd, 2008 at 1:19 am

    Hi Total Package, just to help, no AIH transmission was made in China. They designed and built in South Korea, by some engineers at Hundai, then machined and assembled by locals. All engine parts were made by S&S, and if you broke a valve the chances are good it seized in the guide due to a lack of clearance. They might help at a reduced rate.

    Tony The Big Cheese seems to know what he is talking about (one of few). Call him for advice.

    Tom Barret you should seek some PROFESSIONAL HELP. You REALLY believe someone should harm themselves due to a failed business? I mean I do understand it has hurt many. I HAVE ONE OF THEIR BIKES MYSELF. BUT GET REAL. You don’t see the CEO of CHRYSLER, FORD, OR GM putting a bullet in their own heads. And they have lost money by a factor of 100x. And as we speak, what about Donny Bitman and Illusion, either incarnatation of Titan, California Motorcycle Company, before they became Indian, any of the 5 or so revivals of Indian, American Quantum, Desparado, Hell Bound Steel, and the litany of others I am just unaware of? Their CEO’s dead? Jeez…who do YOU work for?

  58. 58 AL Mar 3rd, 2008 at 11:27 am


  59. 59 SmokeEm Mar 3rd, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    I hate to hear about the bad news from any m/c builder but I will say that when I purchased my custom m/c I bought a Thunder Mountain Custom Cycle for the obvios reason that mechanical and electrical components are from Harley-Davidson and they can be serviced by any H-D dealer so as far as having to worry about the mfg. going under, it won’t affect my ability to get parts or repairs, plus the fact that the bike (Keystone model) runs, rides and handles much better than a AIH or Big Dog and the quality of the finished product was far superior in my humble opinion.

  60. 60 Someone Mar 3rd, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Total Package – your ECM was made by ThunderHeart, as was your speedometer and various other electronic components. Virtually anything electronic that Todd Dalton had his hand in was done by ThunderHeart, although some amount of items (supposedly direct replacements) were manufactured by Gill Electronics in England.

  61. 61 tom barrett Mar 3rd, 2008 at 9:27 pm


  62. 62 Killed By Cager Mar 3rd, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Contact Krohn & Moss. They are attorneys that specialise in this type of situation. They are located in Chicago. I am thankful for all of the info I have gotten from this blog but it seems to stray from the main issue people bought a piss poor product, for large sums of money, and are going to get screwed while the CEO and others are still living large. If something serious is not done now they will just start another bike company and do it again. If you got fucked over by these dirt bags file a lawsuit against them. That way if they do close their doors for good the unlucky customers will get the sale off money not them. According to this blog this may already be happening.

  63. 63 Not Much Help Mar 4th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Tom Barrett, did yo happen to invested money in AIH? You seem like a really bad ass dude! A TRUE TOUGH GUY! I am so scared of you gnarly invester types who, while reaping rewards, have NOTHING to say, yet when the deal goes sour, you expect some type of financial recompensation. Talk about a financial wizard! Looks like you are really just a loud mouth bully who lost some money. WHY DIDN’T YOU DO SOMETHING BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE, INVESTER BOY?

    Speaking of not giving a fuck, BLOW ME, l’il-Tommy-talks-too-much!

    Since I have had my bike for a number of years now, and have had to do some work on it, those of you I can help, I will.

  64. 64 tom barrett Mar 4th, 2008 at 6:13 pm


  65. 65 Not Much Help Mar 4th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Tom Barret, you wrote “its not a public stock”. It is contracts to it’s. See the little apostrophe between the t and the s? And after looking through your past childish rants, you might try spell check yourself. See what I mean l’il-Tommy-talks-too-much? A REAL TOUGH GUY, always throwing stones.

    As far as investing goes…it would appear YOU don’t know much about the topic…after all, you are the one who lost your AIH investment! And I never suggested AIH was a pubicly held company. That does not stop someone from holding AIH shares, now does it?

    So typical of your type. Always someone else to blame. AS AN INVESTOR, YOU WERE INVITED TO THE COMPANY STATE-OF-THE-UNION ADDRESSES. Did you voice your concerns, attempting to direct AIH goals and policies?

    I don’t think ANYONE will find a single line of my type that supports your accusation that I back ANY AIH CEO. Just more of your TOUGH GUY talk, and you spend WAY too much time fantacizing about people on their knees and others’ crotches! Maybe YOU need to put a bullet in YOUR brain. A .22 should do.

  66. 66 Not Much Help Mar 4th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    And by the way l’il Tommy, your “beef” is between your ears, you can do us all a favor and spare us further clever, pithy, crotch and knee put downs. Just a little too low brow.

  67. 67 David. Mar 5th, 2008 at 6:05 am

    Tony. See that is the type of service that puts a smile on peoples faces. I did contact S&S they told me that they will only talk to a dealer and my warranty was with ironhorse. so that was a no go. I am waiting to hear from LCC’s to find out what it will cost me to get it fixed the owner there says he is going to “help me out”. I am sure he will, if I can’t do it I am going to pick up the bike this week tow it back here and bring it to you. As far as the two year warranty is concerned I don’t know the cost of that probably won’t do it cuz I want so badly to get out of this bike. In reality the only thing on the bike that is ironhorse is the frame and tins. Somone should buy it. I am going to call you today and disuss the other purchasing options on the M109 BLVD. I may just buy that, I currently have my car up for sale… I need to ride!~

    Tony thanks for your unconditional assistance with this. I seriously appreciate it.


  68. 68 Someone Mar 5th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Creditors Go After Motorcycle Company – From March 5 Ft Worth Star- Telegram

  69. 69 tom barrett Mar 5th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    http://www.star-telegram.com/business/story/511962.html not much help….looks like they may bring in some “fresh meat” for you! i have a 401k where i work so i don`t need to invest in losers like aih. i am sure you know all about “losers” you see one in the mirror everyday. don`t get all up tight because the flea market you work at doesn`t have a 401k for you. maybe your mommy or daddy can invest your allowance for you????

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