Indian Motorcycle Launches Iconic American Brands

Not a surprise. In order to offer its riders (and non riders looking for the cool factor) Indian Motorcycle just launched “Iconic American Brands, Inc.” to develop high-performance riding clothes and premium sportswear under the Indian brand. The first collection should be on sale at Indian dealerships and select department and specialty stores in the fall of 2008. The new company is headed by apparel industry veteran Steven Miska (pictured here) and is based in Seattle because location, port services and other amenities made it the ideal location for dealing with the Asian apparel makers who will manufacture many of the company’s goods. The collection will feature performance apparel and premium sportswear which pays tribute to the heritage of the brand, “embodying the freedom of spirit and adventure associated with motorcycling”, of course a sentence that you can apply to old motorcycle brands. Miska and his team are racing to develop an apparel line that will range from polo-style knit T-shirts to leather chaps and other “hard-core” biker gear. Stellican owns a majority stake in the new Iconic American company, Miska being a minority shareholder. I have seen some sketches of this new clothing line when I visited Indian Motorcycle in North Carolina 4 months ago. Must acknowledge that it looks “Indian Cool”. If I tell you that the objective is also to have the line distributed by Neiman Marcus, you will understand that it’s very high end. Indian Motorcycle. (photo Dan Schlatter)

95 Responses to “Indian Motorcycle Launches Iconic American Brands”

  1. 1 GJ Jul 15th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Even if it upsets most bikers, Indian Motorcycle is right to shoot “upscale” for its bikes and clothing. It’s where there is some money available

  2. 2 Tyler Jul 15th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    I already hear the old indian guys screaming.

  3. 3 Gar Jul 15th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    The “Old Indian Guys” will not be the guys (& Girls) who will be buying the new Indians or their products so who cares if the scream or not?

  4. 4 Andy Ferrell Jul 15th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Gar, you are so right.

  5. 5 RoadSter Jul 15th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Here we go again…. selling T-Shirts and jackets instead of motorcycles… things don’t change.
    But hey… margins are much better on an Indian T-Shirt compared to a 09 Chief…. and you don’t have to be a bike expert to sell it. Afterall, this big rig them have must be filled with something if it’s not with bikes.

  6. 6 09Chief Jul 15th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    That’s the smart business plan…it kept HD afloat when they couldn’t sell bikes. The money’s in the t-shirts, the add-ons and the service for the bikes. Dealerships will be able to sell more t-shirts than bikes anyway. Seems like KM is spreading the workload of supporting the company around which is a good thing in this or any economy.

  7. 7 Gar Jul 15th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Seems to have worked for OCC.

  8. 8 RoadSter Jul 15th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Agreed… it’s easier to sell T-shirts than bikes these days. It’s certainly a good way to get the name out.

  9. 9 Dave B. Jul 15th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Best of luck to the new Indian, and it seems obvious to offer goods with the trademark logo. It’s good business sense. I bet they have spent considerable time & money to make good looking high quality stuff, too.
    I don’t understand negative comments on subjects like this, Indian sold stuff like jackets, and knick-knacks over 50 years ago, so why is it supposed to be wrong now? Most shops do it, hell, even I do it.

  10. 10 Pop Jul 15th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    All those that ride motorcycles that there are no tee shirts logoed for or buy parts from places that don’t sell tees or frequent wrenches who do not have shirts for sale, raise your hand.

    Yep, thought so.

  11. 11 KC Cheef Jul 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Yeah–you nailed it Pop.
    But how many of them cost $40?

    Course the OCC shirts could be that much–I’ve never looked at them.

  12. 12 Brett Jul 15th, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    It may have worked for OCC, but the people wearing OCC shirts are busy watching Nascar. They have no clue what Indian is.

  13. 13 Nicker Jul 16th, 2008 at 2:30 am


    “… The money’s in the t-shirts ….”

    Some years ago, in a suite over looking pit-road at Fontana Speedway, during a sales pitch, a NASCAR sales person told two ladies, who were polishing up their business plan for a sports apparel business, that Dale Earnhardt made $46 million on “T-shirts & related items” during the previous season.

    He was as serious as a heart attack.


  14. 14 Seymour Jul 16th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    I just think it’s kinda ironic that all of the Indian fashionwear that they will sell will only bring more glory to the old Indians. Maybe that was the game plan all along, build a few bikes, but make the money on the T shirts and whatnots.

    Can they even build and sell enough bikes to $upport a nationwide dealer network? You can’t have one without the other, but…?

  15. 15 Mike Kiwi Tomas, Kiwi Indian MotorCycles Jul 16th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Sometimes there is negative reference to the “vintage” or “old Indian guys” on these posts however I believe us main stay guys don’t resemble those remarks. For me I’ve been specializing in Indians for a solid 20 years here in the US (30 yrs total including my pre US days) and I have seen every attempt thus far to resurrect the Indian name end up in failure. However Julius and Hess have reported they are higher educated people and done all the business case studies studies so one would think they should be given room to prove themselves this go around. One can either build the brand up for a little while and flip it and bank the dough or build it up over time and show some long term viability and credibility to the brand. It’s all good and they’re giving it their best Boy Scouts go. Modern, Vintage, Harley, Metric, I like it all.

  16. 16 Gunrunner Jul 16th, 2008 at 10:34 am

    I have my comments on how they should build a dealer network, but this article does not pertain to that.

    I’m behind anything positive that would simulate new buyers into the motorcycle industry.

    Good move Indian,

  17. 17 rodent Jul 16th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Stupid Indian, The least they could do is make the shirts in the USA using illegal imigrants to make them

  18. 18 Brad Jul 16th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Intelligent Indian. It’s smart to manufacture abroad at cheap labor and not taking the risk of being caught by ICE for using illegal immigrants (2 m’s, Rodent) here in the US. Imagine the public relation nightmare for the brand.

  19. 19 Keith Jul 16th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    I’m gonna buy em, I admit it.
    I Love me da Indian Motorcycles, and I’m rooting for the return. I love the new Indians///I admit, i can’t afford 30K, but they are sweet machines!
    Go Indian!

  20. 20 Keith Jul 16th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    oh yea, Hey KIWI…I DIG that Chieftain you built…sweet machine.

  21. 21 Mike Kiwi Tomas, Kiwi Indian MotorCycles Jul 17th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Keith, The X-Wedge engine and specially constructed compact trans we have is an awesome match. I’ve been doing some miles on it and S&S did a kick ass job of the design on the engine. It is so smooth

  22. 22 madpuppy Jul 17th, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Well IMHO, Indian can do whatever they feel will work for them. But ” polo-style knit T-shirts and other “hard-core” biker gear ” said in one sentence makes me laugh.

  23. 23 09Chief Jul 17th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Very true. Then again, I felt the same way when I read “Harley Davidson 100th Anniversary party with Elton John.” Seems like everyone’s stretching the market these days to cover everyone.

  24. 24 Conrad Nicklus Jul 18th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Oh yay another Tshirt shop in the making…..OCC here we go again but in Indian Format.

    What a damn joke. They cant sell their ugly bikes so they rely on the name and T-Shirt sales to make it big.

  25. 25 Keith Jul 18th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Yea,because Harley doesn’t rely on T-shirt sales at all…

  26. 26 Keith Jul 18th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    I’m wondering if a Baker Six speed would’ve been a better choice for Tranny? I do like the look of the X-Wedge, though…S&S has really evolved nicely, and really does sit in the Chieftain nicely…wish I had the bucks to buy that bike, amigo!

  27. 27 Gar Jul 19th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Geeeezzz, if Harley couldn’t sell over priced clothing and parts they would have been out of business years ago because their bikes are so outdated and poorly constructed the t-shirts are all the have to hang their hat on. What is that old saying …. “If Harley Davidson built airplanes instead of motorcycles would anyone darn to ride in one?” Just stirring the pot.

  28. 28 Danny Flucke AKA: Fugdbdt Jul 19th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Comical. I have three Gilroy Indians – After a long string of sport bikes and HD’s – And I won’t be adding a KM Chief to the garage anytime soon… (Too close to all the upgrades I’ve already done myself over the years to my ’03 Chief)

    It is interesting how some of you whine about KM-IMC selling t-shirts and riding gear. If you ride – There is a 99.9% chance you have some gear from your own brand.

    Dale Jr and OCC sell shirts to fans of those brands – And rightfully so. If you’re not a fan – Don’t buy one. Whinning about it simply makes you look like a little jealous biotch…

    And I can’t wait for the new Vmax to arrive – T-shirts and all…………..

    Thanx, D

  29. 29 Danny Flucke AKA: Fugdbdt Jul 19th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    And I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Kiwi Mike – And never got the chance to thank him for keeping the Indian brand alive and well through all the years.

    Thanx Mike………..


  30. 30 Keith Jul 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Danny-Gotta admit..that Vmax looks friggin awesome. I agree with you about the whining…every motocycle company sells their brand, and t-shirts and all the swag is part of brand pride….bitvhing aobut it is stupid becasue the odds are the dudes that are bitching have plenty of shirts with their favorite motorcycle brand.

  31. 31 Tim Grisack AKA -Grease Jul 20th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    People by motorcycles for different reasons and if you love the bike you ride you probably have purchased some type of clothing with the brand name or model type branded on them. I personally love the Indian brand as well as Harley , Triumph, Victory and BMW. I only wear Indian gear because its what I ride with pride. I will purchase the new clothing if I like the design. If I rode a HD I would wear HD ect…… Those who are negative towards indian obviously love another brand. Thats ok , I saw you broke down at the side of the road I would stop to help no matter what your T- Shirt read.

    Ride Long ! Ride Safe ! Brothers and Sistas!

  32. 32 Conrad Nicklus Jul 21st, 2008 at 3:49 am


    If Harley did make a plane I would build an underground home in fear of falling objects from 35000 feet…..AKA A Harley plane or anything that has to do with Harley, Davidson or HD….Its already a scary thought that they build bikes and not just shirts and apparel.

  33. 33 Conrad Nicklus Jul 21st, 2008 at 3:51 am

    ALSO, I must add that the whole ” Must acknowledge that it looks “Indian Cool”. If I tell you that the objective is also to have the line distributed by Neiman Marcus, you will understand that it’s very high end. Indian Motorcycle” comment is absolutely stupid. I shop at Neiman Marcus on occasion and if they start to sell this crap they can count me out as a proud customer. I will laugh in their face and walk past the store when I go out.

  34. 34 K1w1 Jul 21st, 2008 at 11:13 am

    I had occassion to view and pruchase some of the mercahndise over the weekend and I have to say I “LOVE” it. It is great quality, so even though the initial outlay seems a tad high, it will last longer than most apparel as it is high quality combined with classic style. A winner in my books.

  35. 35 crazycowboy Jul 21st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Fellow riders….

    Wake up and smell the coffee….Indian is going about it backwards. In order to build a so called “brand” you first need a true and tried motorcycle to build around……then you start selling t-shirts around the reputation of the motorcycle. Not the other way around…..keep in mind that this is a “new” motorcycle company…..the only reason that they carry the Indian name is because they bought it at below bankrupt price from a liquidator. Just in case any of you newbies didn’t know.

    Not that I’m an H-D lover, however, the “new” Indian company is a baby compared to the reputation of H-D.

    Go ahead and buy a t-shirt… a wannabee posser, considering that you won’t be buying a 35K unproven motorcycle from them….I can assure you that….you can always wear your t-shirt and jacket to the Lawyer’s meeting at the country club……and if they ask you if you have an Indian you just tell them that it’s in the shop getting some more chrome for you once a year ride to the mall.

    Word of of advise:

    Just work on the motorcycle right now……worry about the fashion stuff later.

    The new Indian’s logo should read:

    “Indian clothing……….forget about the motorcycle….just be cool and buy our t-shirts…..we want you fools money…….it’s the only way that we are going to make us some money right now”

    Keep up the good work Indian…….maybe you guys will come out with a new make-up and cologne line for all the alternate lifestyle fashion queens that will be wearing your clothing!!!!!

    Hey…..we all have to be cool……..or at least fit in……remember????!!!!!

  36. 36 Keith Jul 21st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Wow…Conrad and CrazyCowboy are bitter. Yes, I will buy the T-shirt, and I already own 2 Indians. I am rooting for Indian, and from what I’ve seen it’s gonna be an awesome bike….and, word of advise to all business owners…you CAN do both..promotion via merchandising, and build a quality product. Seems crazy cowboy either doesn’t understand marketing, or never ran a business…my guess is he doesn’t understand marketing.
    bottom line is if you’re tired of the tired Harley, but don’t want the bland BMW or Honda, and appreciate Americana..then The Indian is they way to go. Every where I ride I get attention on either my Chief or my Spirit. More than that, I know I’ve seperated from the heard…unlike Conrad, I’m no elitist..I appreciate all motorcycles and I’ve been riding since I was 16 and I’ve come to appreciate the heritage of Indian Motorcycles.
    It is an Iconic brand, and in a sea full of Harleys, how refreshing to see the original emerge once again. I don’t know if this resurrection will last…it is a tough economy right now and bikes are considered toys by most folks (although with the gas prices perhaps it is becoming a viable mode of transport…I know I ride to work everyday) but it sure is nice to see Indians back. from what I’ve seen, the Power Plus is awesome…105 Cu…six speed tranny, and some electronics that are very advanced. Many people spent 30K on a Harley CVO or close to that on the BMW Or Wing…so, why not on a Chief? They already presold many of the 09’s already, so I imagine they will move em out. I have no illusions that they will selll as many units as harley or Honda or Victory yet, but if they do prove themselves worthy (crossing my fingers) why not give them the benefit of the doubt that they can revive this brand?

  37. 37 KC Cheef Jul 21st, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Hey Keif. (AKA little kc — where you been hiding little bro?)

    What’s so awesome about the 105?
    Do you know something about it no one else knows?
    Some folks got to see it up close in Branson–but I didn’t think you were there.
    No one seems to know much about where it’s from–who made it–or who “DESIGNED” it. (or redesigned it as the case may be.)

    Six speed tranny?
    A Baker–WOW!! there’s some original INDIAN ENGINEERING don’t you think?

    Very advanced electronics?
    Fill us in on that a little.
    Some of us aren’t as well informed as you folks on the Indian Motorcycle Community Public Forum.

    Care to enlighten us?
    Has the Pubic Forum become the official Indian Motorcycle site yet?

    Indian proprietary?
    Or off the shelf from a foreign land?

    Nope–$33k up to almost $40k is a lot of bucks for a Gilroy Indian with a few bells and whistles added on.
    I’m thinking if KM will sell to us “bastard stepchildren” Gilroy Indians I might be interested in some of those “advanced electronics” one of these days.

    $40 ICONIC T-Shirts?
    I don’t care how WELL MADE they are–they are made in ASIA.
    ASIAN T_SHIRTS generally aren’t worth $40 bucks are they?

    Hey Keif!!
    Come on over to the CH site and send me a PM.
    I can turn you on to some AMERICAN MADE INDIAN SPEED shirts.
    For you a special price–$30–made in AMERICA!!

  38. 38 KC Cheef Jul 21st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Forgot to ask you Keif.

    Are you and Miska related?
    I’m telling you–the resemblance you bear to that pic shown above is UNCANNY!!!!!

  39. 39 crazycowboy Jul 21st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Nice points KC Cheef.

    After reading these posts, the only conclusion that I have come to is the fact that the “new’ Indian or should I say the “latest” Indian company is trying to shove t-shirts and fancy yancy underwear down our throats based on a failed name brand……wow!!…..let’s go out and buy some rice patty land produced junk for 40 bucks………….I tell you guys……these new guys give patriotism a new meaning……talk about buying low and selling high. I’m willing to bet these guys are paying 2 bucks for these shirts…seriously. Nice profit margin fellaws….way to go….you guys really have the american workers back…let me tell ya……such quality guys, such quality. You figure the least that they would do is use an american company…..considering that they are so pushy about the so called “Indian” legacy and quality issue. Specially after a 40K tag on their unproven experiment that nobody knows anything about.

    Hey Keiff……don’t think about comparing the newbie “Indian” company to H-D, BMW or any other major manufacturer…….right now, they are just a little bit better than a beer fart in the wind that’s starting to stink pretty bad….

    Oh yeah….and about the bike……………like KC Cheef pointed out……..A…..S….I….A……N……….parts……excuse me……I should say “proprietary”……..and all for the blue light special price of 40K…..lucky us….

    How stupid do you think that we really are??????

    Once again guys….work on the bike….once you prove that you are a worthy, reliable bike, then you will earn our trust and respect. The only thing going on right now is a bunch of profit hungry, greedy business “gurus” trying to make money for themselves by selling $500 apples….I mean t-shirts.

    Go out and earn it…….like the rest of us have………then, you can sell us your t-shirts……we will be more than happy to wear them…….and they better be made here in the USA…..

    Oh one more thing guys guys….this public forum has become the “un-official” yet “official” Indian advertising board…….keep on truckin Li’l Indian….

  40. 40 KC Cheef Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 am

    My main interest right now?
    And it seems to be information that is impossible to come by (might be on the Public Board)

    Who designed and built the new and improved Power Plus 105?
    Seems like there should be some info out there somewhere?

    Is it proprietary to Indian?
    Or is some well known engine builder providing it and stamping Indian on it?

    American made?

    I’m kind of thinking it will be an interesting story to read if when it gets out there.

  41. 41 Keith Jul 22nd, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Ed…you &
    Ant are funny. Now, I expect the bitter negative rants form you both…I mean, you’re both Crazy Horse lackeys that has never developed shit…and buying used Gilroy PP-100 cases doesn’t mean you’re a motorcycle builder…You’re pissed off because you have constantly bashed the new Indian start-up from the get go and your doom and gloom prophecies have come up and bit you in the ass, and it’s friggin hilarious to watch your constant pathetic anti-indian spin. What’s worse is that you backed a loser. JW made all sorts of promises, and wow, Ed is the official test rider, what an honor,and how many Thunder Dreamers are in production?
    Poor Ed sold his soul to CH, and there ain’t no coming back…mostly because of pride,of course…you backed the wrong player, and now your stuck.
    Bummer for you (well, not really, you actually deserve each other).
    Indian is building motorcycles, just like they said, and it just pisses you off!
    But, instead of conceding you wll deny, deny, DENY because eating that humble pie is just too daunting a task, especially since Crazy Horse has fallen well short of building anything significant….and what will you do when you run out of PP-100 cases? Oh, excuse me…V-plus, that’s right, Scratch off the PP-100 and now it’s your own design.
    Problem is, the CH site is boring, and a giant bitter-parade of a hand full of disgruntled whiners that have become so boring and tedious to listen too that they only have each other…misery does love company, and the Krazy Koolaid is working it’s wonders on you….which is fine, but I prefer to keep company with more positive pro-Indian people….hell, just more positive ANYTHING is fine….I mean, you don’t even have to subscribe to everything Indian does, but for you fine folks at CH, you’ll NEVER find anything positive…you can’t…you’ve already fully vested your hatred and there really is no turning back for you now, is there? I mean, not without eating all that crow, and you got too much pride for that, so it’s better to nit-pick every thing they do, and even if it’s positive, you can still find the negative in it….but just understand that you aren’t convincing anybody and you’ve lost all credibility with most of the Indian community. Your arguements are, at best, trivial, but more to the point, just an arguement for argument’s sake.
    You can keep on going to different blogs spouting your vehement crap, but I think it’s only fair to explain to people why you are so anti-Indian and the fact that there are ulterior motives to your rhetoric.
    Still want to PM me, Ed? Go ahead, but don’t expect me to give you any info I have…you’d just twist it and spin it anyway.

  42. 42 Davon Jul 22nd, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Keith. You are absolutely right. CH (Crazy Horse, not Cyril Huze) is on a campaign to try to discredit the new Indian. We all understand the motivation of Crazy Horse actig this way. An agenda trying to save their business. The new Indian is going to be great for the industry, the Dealers, the Chief 09 buyers. It’s going to be bad, of course, for Crazy Horse.

  43. 43 Keith Jul 22nd, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Well I am all for the right to opinion, and if you’re not a fan of Indian (Like Conrad, for instance) it’s all good…but CH is on a very transparent anti-Indian war path and it’s not fair for objective folks that are interested in what Indian is doing….I’ve seen the specs on the new bike, and it’s impressive…I plan on checking it out in Corona…I doubt I’ll be disappointed (well, except that I can’t afford it, of course). either way, I will support my favorite Motorcycle and say “Long live Indian…America’s FIRST motorcycle!

  44. 44 KC Cheef Jul 22nd, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Hey Keif.
    Who sounds bitter now?
    Read your post–then read mine.
    Nothing to do with JW or Crazy Horse little fella.
    Has to do with the new Indian Motorcycle, and lack of information about it.
    I asked you to clarify and explain your enthusiasm for the new Indian.

    Hey little kc—as for me being anti Indian?
    Were the hell do you get that?
    Last I checked I still ride one.
    Last I checked–I’m gonna bet it’s got way more miles on it than the 2 together you have in your garage.
    Last I checked I was still pretty damn satisfied with it–ride it and show it off every chance I get.
    Last I checked it has the most official Iron Butt rides on it than any other Indian out there.

    I’m thinking it’s going to be hard for you to find anywhere that I put my ride down–or state that it is inferior to the KM Indian.

    As for the CH site being boring?
    Matter of opinion–and my question would be ?
    What does that have to do with the topic of this blog?
    I’m thinking you didn’t have the cajones to hang with folks who could express their own opinion–you screamed like a b—h and ran off back to your buds when you were disagreed with
    Hell–last I heard your Pubic Forum was pretty well split about the direction Indian has taken with its elitist attitude.
    You want boring?
    Well–unless it’s changed–go take a look at your buds on the public board–pretty well controlled from what I’m hearing.

    Keif–you avoided my questions.
    Can you answer them?
    Or are you just spouting more of the bullshit you get fed.

    Here is the quote from your post that I was referring to.

    “from what I’ve seen, the Power Plus is awesome…105 Cu…six speed tranny, and some electronics that are very advanced. Many people spent 30K on a Harley CVO or close to that on the BMW Or Wing…so, why not on a Chief? They already presold many of the 09’s already, so I imagine they will move em out.”

    1.–From what you’ve seen of the P Plus 105?
    What exactly have you seen?
    I thought you missed Branson?
    When did you see the motor?
    What makes it so special?
    Have you ridden it?
    Who designed it?
    Who built it?
    Where is it made?
    You got the numbers on it?
    Has it been dyno’d?
    You got the numbers to show us?
    Are you just yakkng as usual?

    6 speed tranny that you are so enamoured with?
    Well–can you tell me what makes an off the shelf Baker so attractive to you?
    Hey little guy–you can go out and buy one for your Gilroy chief if you want it–they’ll sell one to anyone who wants to buy it.
    My quetion to you was and still is?
    What the hell is so special about an off the shelf transmission?
    Or –do you know something we don’t know?
    Maybe Baker designed and built that especially for the KM Chief?

    The electronics you are so impressed with?
    I asked you a simple question?
    What is so special about them?
    What do they do that you feel is “advanced?”
    Does Indian design and build them or are they “imported” from a land far away?
    Can you tell us exactly what it is they do?

    As for the statement you make that many people spend close to 30k for a CVO–Wing or BMr?
    Well I don’t know about the CVO–but last I checked the Wing and BMr decked out was WAY BELOW the $32k plus to get you a beginners Indian Chief from KM.

    Damn Little kc–chill out a little-no reason to get your blood pressure all out of whack!!!!
    Remember–mean people suck!!
    And you’re sounding a little mean.

    Hey–I love it when you all go to spouting how bitter and unhapy I am.
    Damn–I’m about the happiest Indian Rider you know.
    I got my Cheef and I’m totally satisfied with him–don’t need an ICONIC INDIAN–don’t want an ICONIC INDIAN.

    You want to give $40 for a $2 T-shirt go ahead.
    Too damn bad you won’t PM me–those T-shirts I’m talking about are selling pretty damn well–cool looking as hell too.

    Hey Keif–time to call in the hounds.
    I’m thinking you need some reinforcement on here–and if you care to look around the wonderfull world of open opinion internet?
    You and your buds better get busy–opinion is beginning to sway in the Indian Motorcycle World.

    Folks don’t like elitist–blue blood attitudes and snobbish wanna be upper class egos.

  45. 45 Warrior Jul 22nd, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Hey guys. Why don’t you wait until Sturgis to look attentively at the bikes. All the indian staff will be there to answer your questions. A lot will be sold during the rally. you bet? The new owners of KM have the right to choose the strategy they want, including an elitist one. If it’s what it takes to sell, why not? They are in business to make money, and I think they will.

  46. 46 KC Cheef Jul 22nd, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Well I am all for the right to opinion, and if you’re not a fan of Indian (Like Conrad, for instance) it’s all good…but CH is on a very transparent anti-Indian war path and it’s not fair for objective folks that are interested in what Indian is doing….I’ve seen the specs on the new bike, and it’s impressive…I plan on checking it out in Corona…I doubt I’ll be disappointed (well, except that I can’t afford it, of course). either way, I will support my favorite Motorcycle and say “Long live Indian…America’s FIRST motorcycle!”

    Keif–you are so damn full of it I’m surprised you don’t just explode.

    You will always drag CH and JW into it when I express my own opinion.
    Wise up a little DUDE–I express my own PERSONAL opinion.
    I’m NOT influenced by JW–Ant–CH or any one else.
    I’m thinking you ought to try that sometime.

    You’ve seen the specs on the new bike?
    Well–share them.
    Or are you talking about the specs on the Indian Home Page?
    Did the specs you saw include the info on the engine–and the electronics that impress you so much.

    Hell–I’ve MEMORISED the specs on the Victory Vision Tour.
    Rode one yesterday, and was REALLY hoping I’d like it?
    Nope–I wouldn’t own one.
    Spec Sheets and having your ass in the saddle are kind of two different things don’t you think?

    Hey–one thing we agree on–I’ll support my favorite motorcycle also.
    Happens to be Gilroy and Springfield in my case–MIGHT even be KM one of these days when they show me something I can ride and quit telling me shit that changes with the wind.

    One thing for sure?
    As you say–I’m also doubting you’ll be disappointed by what you see in Corona–you’ll have the blinders on!

    As far as Indian being Americas First Motorcycle?
    Damn–get a clue DUDE!!!

  47. 47 Keith Jul 22nd, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Ed, Read my post…I haven’t seen the new Indian up close…Yet. I read the specs, and I’ve talked to some folks that have seen it REAL close, and they’re impressed…and unlike you, I’m excited by it. It’s funny how you’re trying to sell yourself with a passive attitude-You’ve been questioning and bitching about Indian ever since they were bought by KM…or should I quote all your countless bitching threads on the public site, the members site, the CH site, and now here…you’ll bitch to just about anyone who’ll listen, and when someone calls you on it…you try to turn it around and say I sound bitter?
    Not bitter, just tired of your constantly whining, and that is what it is, whining. If it was constructive it would be one thing, but your rants are just nit-picking rants…everyoine who knows you understands it, but are too afraid to say anything because they don’t wanna get in your rant cross hairs.
    LMFAO. Dude, you ain’t fooling anybody…I know you still have your Gilroy, and you did all the spectacular riding…Yawn…you bring it up in every debate…and I ask you..what does THAT have to do with King’s Mountain?
    They aint’ gilroy…and thank god, they’re definitely not CH.
    I don’t need hounds or anybody else to debate you…of course, it will be like banging my head against a wall, which is pretty much why I avoid talking to you’s the same old rhetoric with you all the time and I can clearly see that GIGANTIC chip on your shoulder that you try desperately to disguise as honest debate. Sorry, BIG CHEEF, you can’t fool me…yer pissed off, and you KNOW it…most people know it, but stop blaming KM on your anger….you only got yourself to blame….but I’m letting you know…when I see your badgering on a blog, I’m gonna let people know that you do indeed have an agenda and not some interested , concerned onlooker that you try to paint yourself, because it’s getting old.
    but, just ot answer your Q’s again: I read the specs, talked to some folks..the chief is getting good reviews…I aint a wrench nor do I proclaim anywhere that I am, so it’s purely that I’m enthuised about the new Chief and the return of Indian. I will also admit at first I was like you, a basher of KM…but then I realized that I don’t own the company, and they’ll do (and are in fact DOING) what they said they will do..Making Indians…Not at the pace I had hoped, nor at the price I hoped, but they’re here, and that is cool to me. It’s nice to see them comeback, and I’m rooting for them…is that so horrid? Is that too optimistic for you? Do I really care where each spoke comes from?
    I like the Baker 6 speed, though. It’s a proven tranny….sorry KM didn’t build it…does CH originate anything new?
    Oh, I know, this isn’t about CH, but I do find the Hypocrisy VERY glaring…I know you can’t see it (won’t) but for those in the know…it’s painfully obvious that you’re on a very bitter smear campaign.
    Either way, I wish you well in your endeavors to…I dunno, Keep riding your Gilroy, I reckon, and I’ll keep riding mine, and in spite of my harsh words, I wish you no ill will, but I’m gonna speak up and call a spade a spade.

  48. 48 KC Cheef Jul 22nd, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    DAMN little kc.
    You just can’t seem to enter into a conversation or answer a question without the old attempt at a smear campaign can you.
    As for my “spectacular riding”?
    What’s spectacular about riding a motorcycle?
    I am bragging up the Cheef–not myself.
    You’ll understand that one of these days–well maybe you will–well on second thought I kind of doubt you will.
    You spend way too much time partying and trying to be popular to really ride your Indians–kind of a collector aren’t ya little guy?
    As far as me being pissed off?
    I’m setting here laughing my ass off at you and your rant.
    I’m guessing your BP is bouncing right about now.
    I’m thinking you need to crank up the karaoke machine–get some of those Manilow tunes thumping, and get to singing DUDE!!!
    I keep telling you guys–I’m a damn happy Indian Rider–you won’t be hearing me touting the virtues of the KM Indian over the Gilroy that I ride.(Even though you and me are the same in the fact that neither one of us has ever set on or ridden one.–I’m just less likely than you to accept what is spoon fed to me.)
    I like to question and have the answers PROVEN to me.

    Nope–you’ve never heard me whine concerning my Indian–or Gilroy — or Springfield.

    You say I’m on a smear campaign?
    Is that because I want to ask questions and SEE and ride the new KM Indian before I declare it the most awesome motorcycle ever created by mankind?

    Nope–maybe you ought to set back and take a look at what leads you to thinking that KM bike is so damn IT!!
    You know nothing about it but what you read–and what the boys on your board want you to believe and say about it.
    Hey little kc–you’re the one that sold out.
    You sold out your right to an opinion to remain popular in your group.
    Hell–you even told me one time that partying and having a good time was what was the most improtant thing in your opinion–good on ya–Party on DUDE.
    Just don’t be jumping my shit for expressing my own questions and ideas.
    I’d rather have answers than another beer.

    Yep–same on this side–no ill will torwards you either.
    And I’ll keep calling a spade a spade also.
    I’m feeling the love little bro.

  49. 49 Keith Jul 22nd, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Again, you are on a smear campaign, and you know it. My BP is fine, by the way…I don’t have near the emotions invested as you do…I do like your spin about how you don’t complain about gilroy or springfield…nor did I say you did…but you hate KM, and have made that publically clear from day one. From the “They’ll never build a bike..they’ll never own a building..tirades to now that they’ve done these things it’s “will they support Gilroy…are they just warmed over Gilroys….no matter what, You aint gonna be happy and dude, the list goes on with your rants.
    We both KNOW your pissed, dude, and you keep trying to sell me on the fact that you’re line of concern is…?? Now-reread my thread…I never say it’s the be all end all of motorcycles…Nowhere do I say that. In fact, I have said I worry aobut’s a tough economy and it’s an expensive bike…other than that, I am ROOTING for them.. I dig Indian, old, Gilroy, OR KM…, I want ot see them live…something you CLEARLY do not, and have said so countless times in “other” forums.
    If you wanna think I’m the sell out because I’m not all bitter that CH doesn’t own Indian, whatever floats yer boat, but you can make all the statments you want on this blog or anwhere else, but I’ve been on the inside track and know you’re disgruntled…and the group I hang with, they KNOW I’m opinionated, and if ther ever comes a time when I disagree with them, LIke I Disagree with CH…I just walk away. I still got friends who are Lone Wolfs and even CH fans, and that’s cool, but I’m not into what CH is selling…sorry.
    Now, did you get permission from JW to post here? I’m sure ANT is cool with it, but you DO have a chain of command to maintain.

  50. 50 KC Cheef Jul 22nd, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Nope–I don’t need anyones permission to post anywhere.
    As far as the group you hang with knowing you?
    Yep–you nailed it.
    They know you-and know what it takes to sway you.
    Hey as for the friends?
    Damn–i got them in CH — IIRA — and Lone Wolfs also.
    Come to think of it I got them in GOBs too–also PGR, and a few other places that might surprise you.

    Okay–one more time just to see if you are willing or able to answer my question.
    Who built that motor you are so sold on it?
    What are the specs on it?
    What makes it so special?
    Who engineered and designed it?

    Where are the electronics from that you consider state of the art?
    What is it exactly that they do that makes them so special?

    Why are you so sold on a six speed baker tranny in the new Chief?
    Do you really think it needs it?
    Or are you just kind of following along with the boys over there and declaring it necessary?

    Nope–I’m not disgruntled.
    Hey Keif.
    You show me one statement Indian has made and held up to without changing or tweaking the time table on it.
    Yep–one thing you’re right about.
    I’d rather see Indian sleep than see them become an OCC rich mans toy.

  51. 51 Keith Jul 22nd, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    RIIIGHT, Ed. If anybody is a lapdog, amigo, you’re JW’s…He bought you when you became the “official test rider”…and unlike YOU, ain’t NOBODY owns me one way or another. I dig Indians, and I dig the IIRA, but I havent sold my soul to them like you have to CH…which is why you skirt the issues quickly and say it aint about them, it’s about Indian…RIIIGHT.
    I also got friends that are not just IIRA..I’m also PGR, and good on you that you support the PGR. Glad we have that established….differencece between you & I…I owe nobody…and you…wellll, let’s just say it again to beat a dead horse…sold yer soul to CH, and ya can’t back out of it.
    Oh this is good!
    NOW your latest spin isn’t about the fact they’ll never have a plant (they have one) or never build a bike (they are building them) or never have dealers (they got em)…NOW you spin it to the fact they never met a TIMELINE? Geez, dude, That’s rich! I’m sure if they only consulted with you you would’ve used your tremendous management experience to keep them on the right timeline. Hell, Even Dave Wright, whom I wasn’t exactly a fan, said that quality will take precedent over time….and I’m thinking it has.
    Now, you can ask me all about the nomenclature of the engine, and even if I did know, I wouldn’t say…but, fact is, I dunno…don’t care. We’ll all find out soon enough in Sturgis and Corona. I know it’s not S&S, and It’s a bigger Powerplus…a 105. And I’ve got a few freinds with Baker 6 speeds and I’ve ridden a buddy’s Softail that he had installed a baker six speed, and I friggin LOVED that extra gear…but that’s just me. I reckon it doesn’t have to be Baker, but they do have a pretty good reputation from what i’ve heard and read, so, cool.
    But, unlike you, I ain’t owned. Like I said, I am an Indian enthusiast, but if they WILL be the last time for me. Quite frankly the rhetoric ultimately doesn’t affect me one way or another…but I will call you out to be honest about your spin every time…because I know where you’re coming from.

  52. 52 KC Cheef Jul 22nd, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Damn little Keif.

    More of the owned business. Yep–good spin again.
    No one “owns me” I don’t know what the benefit would be to being owned.

    Pretty much the deal is–and you were witness to it.
    NO ONE is going to tell me what to ride–or where to ride it.

    Talk about selling your soul?
    How about you and old faggoty putting on the DUMB AND DUMBER show in Branson 2 years ago?
    Naahh–you’re the one that sold out.

    As far as the timelines?
    How are they doing there any way?
    Seems they have a long way to go to meet the agreements they made when they moved into KM don’t you think?

    OK–lets see?
    So you’re taking it on faith–just because they are telling you that it’s a good engine?
    Way to go Keif–no blind follower in you right?
    Not an S&S?
    Are you sure?
    How do you know?
    I can’t recall anyone ever saying it was or wasn’t built by S&S.
    You’re gonna find out in Sturgis or Corona?
    Damn–your buds had the first look at it in Branson this past summer.
    What’s their story on it?

    Those bikes?
    I know you were all excited by the report from the 3 wise men who visited the factory that it was all SHINEY and LOTS OF CHROME–and had a HAND SHAPED SEAT–FORMED BY AN ELECTRIC KNIFE!!!!!
    LMFAO–That report from KM was some of the funniest shit I’ve read in a long time!!!!
    One of you even got to set on it, and declared the balance and feel far superior to the Gilroy bikes.
    No one ever said whether he made VVROOOOOMING noises while he was setting on it in the middle of the damn warehouse.

    Go on being a sheeple little kc–fits you pretty damn well.

    Baker 6 speed?
    Well if that’s what you think it needs good on you.
    I’m thinking if you rode it much you’d likely get tired of it.
    Course you IIRA boys do a lot more “Ton Up RIDING” than most folks– I’ve heard you even have members of the Ton Up Pirates on your board!!
    Hell–I’m hearing one of them is kind of hard on things when it comes to downshifting–but that’s a story for another time.

    Ride safe Keif–see you on the road sometime.
    Course you’ll probably be being chauffered around with a post party hangover but what the hell–you can always make those VROOMING noises and pretend to be riding.

  53. 53 Keith Jul 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Again, Oh bitter one, I’m hoping they succeed…I wouldn’t call that blind following, but, to you, anyone that roots for KM is a blind follower…I dig the iorny since you CH folks are as blind as you can get….say, just like the Thunder Dreamer…all noise, but still just a dream.
    Oh, and Dumb and Dumber at Branson…I love how you keep spinning THAT story as well…I heard Dave blatantly call you a liar and watched you stammer and back peddle…and then go to the CH site and start spinning your Bad-ass tales…very funny, but he called your bluff and you, even with all your back-up, still turned tail because he was right, and you know he was right. It’s funny how you LOVE to call everyone Keyboard Commandos, and KC CHOKE, You’re the KING.
    Sorry if I upset ya, little fella…I figured you’d be very relaxxed with all that riding you do…but I’ve been meaning to ask you how you managed to ride and Type at the same time…you ARE good, KC CHOKE.
    Now, I think I hear your Master calling you…get in his lap, KC CHOKE, or he won’t let ya test ride any more Gilroy rip-offs.

  54. 54 dark tan superman Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    I just sold my 03 for 14 g’s…..nothing special..same old sh..t. The usual problems that are related to your typical american scoot.

    Now once again, a group of so called “saviors” have bought the ruins and are claiming that they have re-invented the wheel.

    I’ve owned over 30 or so scoots…anything from Hondas, Harleys, Ducs and blah blah. So seeing another 10th wonder of the world for 40 g’s with the same old sh…t is retarded….

    Hey, these “saviors” can say anything they want, however, they are going to have to back it up. As of now, there isn’t one test done to date on any of their scoots……..and once the tests come out from your typical magazines, they better make sure that they bribe them enough as other manufacturers due for good reviews so we run to our local dealers and buy one. And believe me… 40k it better be able to fly for that kind of dough…….however, if you are stupid enough to buy one for the 40K….you obviously have a serious identity crisis looking for attention on your elite “iconic” scoot.

    As of now……’s nothing but an overpriced broken record…….oh yeah…don’t forget your t-shirt that says Indian on it………..gotta wear that….

    Might be a good idea to start in the 17K to even 22K………for that, I would seriously consider one…….but after at least 2 or 3 years of serious testing.

    However, these “saviors” are using the same principle that they used in the Chris Craft boat deal…….sell to the rich and elite for lots of money……well, I got news for ya……these are bikes….not boats…..the american motorcycle mystique will always live on……

    Harley is laughing so hard right now they have sharted themselves 3 times over….notice on how they are not saying anything right now????……I assure you that 100 plus years of experience is helping them a little….don’t you think?….maybe these “saviors” know something that Harley doesn’t know……how bout that!!……you learn something new everyday.

    As for all the hype…..blow it out yar ass!!!……show me the money honey!!!!….don’t talk to me about it……show it to me honey….show it to me!!!…..I wanna see it!!!

    I seriously hope that they make a good run and put their money where their mouth is….I would love to see the brand come back………but I assure you that at 40K ……it’s not gonna happen. Yes, I’m sure that they will sell some units to some label jockeys, but wait till they fall short on what the hype is all about….and Harley steps in and punishes them like a red headed step child with a 22K scoot up and down the block??? What will they say then??? Believe me….riders can be much more forgiving at 17K to 22k…..not at 40K.

    Huge, huge gamble on their part……..they better have more funding than Warren Buffet……cause when the milk starts to get sour….they better have enough money to be able to go out and buy more cows.

    Last word of free advise……….don’t try to screw the american rider…….you guys wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for us……..we know better by now.

    We might turn on you quicker than you think…………but I tell you this… guys are off to a very, very bad start……

  55. 55 KC Cheef Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    little kc — you do have some stories.
    Damn Keif–you’re the guy that gave Dave the riders name Faggotyliar–I’m figuring you gave him that name because you know him so well.
    Too bad–too many folks saw you and faggoty — too many witnesses to your little show.
    Are you trying to tell me you were too drunk to remember telling faggoty to shut up and quit changing his story?
    Ahh well doesn’t matter — lot of folks saw it–and remember it.
    Well–I reckon you figure lying works for your buds–may work for you.
    I figured someday you’d be able to get off the teat.
    You ride safe little fella–party on DUDE–there’s a bottle out there with your name on it–wait–it’s after 3 in the afternoon cali time–you’ve most probably answered the call by now.

    I’m thinking we can finish up one of these days when we meet again.
    I’ll buy you a drink.
    Until then?
    Happy Trails AMIGO–You tell faggoty hello for me–and ask him why the hell he wouldn’t come out and say hey in Branson last year.


  56. 56 KC Cheef Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    You forgot to answer one of my questions!!
    I tell you–I’m freaking out how much you two look alike!!!

  57. 57 KC Cheef Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    I’m thinking it might be time for you to give DARK TAN SUPERMAN a little of your attitude adjustment.
    Tides kind of turning in a lot of places don’t you think.
    Little kc–are you beginning to feel just a little sheeplish yet?

  58. 58 Danny Flucke - Aka: Fugdbdt Jul 23rd, 2008 at 8:08 am

    Dark and tan is a great mix of two great beers. But Superman is embarassed….
    KM IMC is not competing for Dyna or Softail buyers. I stated before Gilroy folded – That IMC needed to position itself as HD’s move up brand to be successful.
    Honda has Acura. Toyota has Lexus. Nissan has Infinity. Even GM has Cadillac…
    You didn’t “feel” what you needed to keep your Indian – And that’s that. Maybe the person who got a great deal at $13k will..
    The 09 bikes were ridden in Branson – Not all 100% positive either. But that really doesn’t matter – Since you’ve moved on – KM has moved on – And we Indian riders keep moving on.
    And remember – We don’t make fun of you just because you think $40k is “alot” of money – So try to show us the same respect….
    Thanx, D

  59. 59 Cyril Jul 23rd, 2008 at 9:00 am

    To KC Cheef.

    Your statement that “No one ever said whether he made VVROOOOOMING noises while he was setting on it in the middle of the damn warehouse” is incorrect.

    I am one of the few who visited the new Indian factory in April. My report that you read (because you commented on it) clearly states that I saw the bike running and being test-ridden on the street for engine, transmission and brakes. Since then, many have seen the new Chief running.

  60. 60 Davon Jul 23rd, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Each time KC Chief is commenting in this blog, he demonstrates that he is prejudiced against the new KM Indian, with no objective reasons whatsoever. Just a bunch of blah, blah, blah. KC is a loser. Indian will succeed because they did their homework. CH (Crazy Horse) is going to have a tough time surviving the return of Indian. IMHO crazy Horse will disappear because they have nothing to offer anymore.

  61. 61 KC Cheef Jul 23rd, 2008 at 9:21 am

    My statement IS correct.
    I was referring to one of the THREE WISE MEN as they called themselves (Members of the Indian Motorcycle Community Public Forum) who sat on the bike during the SPECIAL FACTORY visit arranged by Indian to show the KM bikes to the faithful followers they seem to have recruited from that board.
    I can look it up to be certain–but it seems to me their visit was before yours.

    I’ll apologize if you thought I was referring to you when I stated the following

    “One of you even got to set on it, and declared the balance and feel far superior to the Gilroy bikes.
    No one ever said whether he made VVROOOOOMING noises while he was setting on it in the middle of the damn warehouse.”

    By “you” I was referring to a member of Keifs riding group.

    The bikes have been ridden since then.
    I am also aware that the mileage on the bikes sent to Branson was limited.
    If I remember right–one bike was ridden in Branson–the others were eye candy.
    Reason given was they had to be submitted for testing, and that required zero mileage on them.

  62. 62 rdawsoniii Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 am

    I, for one, am hoping the KM Indian succeeds. Having more Indians on the road is a good thing IMO.

    That’s not to say I’m not skeptical or disappointed….skeptical about quality and dealer network….and disappointed in the pricing….but I wish them well and hope Indian is around for a long time to come.

  63. 63 Keith Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:28 am

    KC CHOKE, AKA SLING BLADE, because you look JUST like Billy BOB THORNTON, just gotta laugh at how you embellish and spin…no, actually spin is not quite right, as it usually has at least some element of truth…You just fabricate stories as you go along…it’s why I KNEW better than to get into it with you, because when you’re backed into a corner, you just start lying.
    Look, Billy-bob, you can spin it all away, and next time we meet, Yea, lets have a beer and discuss truths…it won’t matter, because you’ll post the exact opposite of what we talk about anyway.
    Let it go, Spin Blade…everyone that knows YOU knows you’re just a bitter dude, and getting more bitter as you get older. Life’s too short to be so angry…look, you backed the wrong “Pony” but it’s not a big deal, shake it off and remember why you bought an Indian in the first place before you sold your soul to the “Empty Dreamer”. I think you’d be much happier if you “rebuked “your master…which is nothing more than a web site full of bitterness and empty promises….oh, and old PP-100 cases.
    Ride Safe, KC CHOKE.

  64. 64 dark tan superman Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Hey Danny Frucklemajobb……..keep the jokes to the professionals…..your 10 second comedy act expired in 1952…

    Your statement about GM and Cadillac and Toyota and Lexus is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Do you really think that the new “saviors’ can build a better bike than Harley and top them on their first go around???

    And at 40K a pop????!!!!!

    Seriously, the only recipe that I see here is a bunch of opportunist trying to capitalize on a brand that has been beaten down so badly that it’s going to take a minimum of 10 years to bring to infancy. And lot’s and lot’s of serious capital injections. take a look at Big Dog….prime example.

    Once again, Harley is laughing their asses off right now.

    You don’t jump into the market with a 40k bike and tell everybody that your bike is better than the rest of the pack…’s insulting….and it makes you look stupid.

    Obviously, these “saviors” are complete amateurs when it comes to the motorcycle industry.

    Once again, they need to prove themselves in the 15K to 20K market, build a solid following for a few years, then go after the big 40K kill…..

    Like I said before, all smoke and no fire…….

    By the way, now I am positive that this forum is being bombarded by the new Indian personnel…….it’s so obvious that it’s not even funny..

    Hype, hype, hype…that’s all…..the word is out.

  65. 65 KC Cheef Jul 23rd, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Hey Keif!!
    Are you mad at me little bro?
    Damn — take your own advice and chill.
    Have another drink, and it’ll all look better in the morning.
    Hey dark tan superman.
    You think the board is loaded up now?
    Give it a day or so and see who shows up for back up.
    little keif is going to put the word out and POOF–the boys will be here in force.
    Cyril–hope you take me up on the invite.
    And–I’m going to take your advice and set back and watch it unfold.
    Good luck on them.
    Last post–I’m gonna sharpen up some pencils and go do a little riding.
    Hey Fugdbdt–good to see ya on here–what’s up?
    Say hey to Foosh for me.

  66. 66 Keith Jul 23rd, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    KC CHOKE, Why would I be mad?
    I think you’re funny, in a sad sort of way. Oh, and why would I put the “word out” to anybody? you forget, I didn’t sell my soul, so not all of us has to answer to Krazy Koolaid, amigo. Don’t get mad at me because I’m pointing out the painfully obvious, Hell I’m just trying to be a friend and show you what everyone else knows and talks about behind your back but is too afraid to tell you. But, if ya dont wanna hear it (rhetorical statement) no worries, but be sure that I will make it obvious about your agenda on blogs…no disrespect intended, of course, Billy Bob CHOKE. I still find it amazing how you can post so much and ride so much…I have to learn your secret.

  67. 67 KC Cheef Jul 23rd, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    I’d rather hang with old friends than ride a hot old motocycle Keif.
    Speaking of riding?
    Me and a couple other old farts are planning one for next Spring.
    Want to come?
    It’s going to be ICONIC!!!
    I’ll ice down the beer so you don’t get the shakes, and we’ll have a blast!!!!

  68. 68 Keith Jul 23rd, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Now THAT we can both agree on..I definitely prefer my good friends and family to a motorcycle..or motorcycle company anyday. Life’s too short to stress out over who makes what kind of engine, IMHO.
    Have a great ride, KC CHOKE, I always find riding my scoot with good friends is a very cool, relaxing experience and I was thinking if it works for me, it should work for everyone…right?

  69. 69 KC Cheef Jul 23rd, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Well–I’m kind of wondering how relaxing it really is for ya.
    I’m hearing old Faggoty went down again!!
    And I don’t mean went down in the biblical sense like you’d be inclined to think when you see faggotys name mentioned.
    Hey Keif.
    I kind of admire your riding skills when I get to thinking that old faggoty is one of your riding buds.
    I just can’t even imagine trying to avoid a Chief and old faggoty bouncing down the road alongside me–that’s just got to scare the crap out of ya.
    You ride safe, and we’ll be looking for you in Corona.

  70. 70 09Chief Jul 23rd, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Who the hell appointed this KC Cheef punk the voice of “reason” for the misanthropic of the world when it comes to the Indian brand?
    Indian’s been very open about anyone being able to email them and ask them questions. Instead of berating people with your obvious slant on reality, why not pose the questions to Indian? Instead of taking personal stabs at people through someone else’s blog, why not do something constructive with your time?

  71. 71 KC Cheef Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Another one of the troops from THE BOARD.
    Hey 09Chief–how they hanging?
    You own a Gilroy??
    Or you holding out for the Iconic Heritage Ride?
    Personal stabs at people?
    Are you referring to PENCILS?
    Naaaah–just another rumor from the Public Site.

  72. 72 09Chief Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    I’ve owned and own Springfields, Gilroys and soon will own a Kings Mountain Indian. I have no idea what you are referring to about pencils. It just seems to me that you waste a lot of time on this blog with the obvious intention of causing trouble instead of directing your questions to the people that have the answers. Instead of answer my questions, you attempt to redirect the conversation to something else entirely.
    As for you referring to someone going down on the road in a light manner, I find that really telling on the kind of person and rider you are.

  73. 73 KC Cheef Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    Well–you’d have to know faggoty.
    He’s a pro–and a little tumble isn’t going to hurt him much.
    He does it pretty regular, and seems to enjoy it.
    If you knew faggoty would soon realize I’m NOT joking–the thought of him and a Chief sliding down the road alongside me would REALLY scare the crap out of me.
    Hey 09–if you’ll look back through here–all the way back to my first post, and Keifs response–you’ll find I asked little Keif legitimate questions.
    He chose to go on a rant–it’s kind of a programed thing with the boys on the board he frequents.
    DO NOT QUESTION–just accept what you’re told and you’ll do OK over there.
    Are you a member of that site?
    You might not like the questions–but I’m thinking I have the right to ask them.
    As for directing the questions to the people who have the answers?
    Yep–tried that –no results.

    Oh–the pencil deal?
    Kind of a joke to the “in crowd”

  74. 74 Keith Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    09 Chief, I don’t know you, but your assesment of KC CHOKE is correct… He’s an angry little dude primarily because he thought that Indian was gonna get bought by another company and it didn’t happen. Well, that “other” company built a few warmed over gilroy chiefs..and called them “Thunder Dreamers” and wanted premium bucks for it. Now, the owner of this company hired KC CHOKE to be his official “test-rider” for no other reason than at the time he was pretty popular on the Indian community forum and he did talk a good game. Well, KC CHOKE was pretty proud of this, and immediately started bashing the new Indian…er, wait, let’s spin it..he “questioned” the new Indian….alot. Now, granted, I did as well, but mostly because I wanted to be a know it all just like KC CHOKE.
    Well, the dialectics on the Indian board got heated to extremes (as most posting boards do) and we all got irate with each other to an extent…but we were a small community and knew that we still shared a common love of Indian Motorcycles. Most normal people know that ranting on a board and real life ain’t the same thing…well, KC CHOKE really doesn’t know. On top of that he was really hoping to rally the community to his new found saviors…and he did get some people on his side, but the true Indian fans FELT that KC CHOKE’s boss was just a posuer and PISSED that he couldn’t buy Indian. He tried to come to our rally’s but rather than unify, he galvanized. He was this dude that was very kind in ways to Indian riders, but he would also spew such venom on the site that he alienated the very people he was trying to win over. Now, KC CHOKE didn’t understand that his boss was pissing more people off than helping, and he kept up his rabid campain against the new Indian. He would whisper in anybody’s ear that would listen, and he tried to discredit a very harmless yet proud association. Well, the association got tired of his crap and booted him out. Well, this enraged the little fella, and he campained that much harder. When his friends tried to talk some reason into him, he saw too much red to think logically…that, and he already committed to this “other” motorcycle company because he was SURE they would start buildng great motorcycles and that the KM Indian would fail.
    Well, fast forward, and KC CHOKE got ONE thing right..KM’s timeline is alittle off, but, as I said before, Quality over time…and that’s what KM is claiming, and should be considered a good business model by most standards.
    Everything else KC CHOKE spews is knee-jerk hatred. He can’t stand the IIRA (can’t blame him, since they booted his ass out) He cand stand the yearly rally we have(can’t blame him since they booted his ass out) and he can’t stand the new KM Indian (can’t blame him since they booted his BOSS out).
    When I was a newbie ont he board CHOKE was held in high-regard, but then he sold his soul and now people just kinda feel sorry for him…mostly because his anger has so overwhelmed his common sense that he’s become this automoton that can only say a few things repeatedly “KM will never own a plant….KM will NEVER build a bike….KM will never…..(insert your favorite failure line here).
    So, he’s kinda sad and mostly I dismiss his rants for what they are…but unfortunately he has to cross the line and disparage a downed rider…that’s where I draw the line.
    Ed, fuck you. I wouldn’t wish that on ANY rider and you making fun of it shows your COMPLETE lack of character. You’d stoop to the lowest.
    I’m sure the Lone Wolfs are proud.
    I think you’re an idiot…maybe I can tell you that to your face in Corona.

  75. 75 Brandon Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Very well said Keith. KC Chief should be forbidden from Cyril’s blog for writing lies after lies about KM Indian. Go away KC Stupid, your negative campaign will never work. KM will succeed and you are now a lonely loser that can be identified by a larger number of true Indian lovers. All your predictions were wrong and will continue to be wrong. Even Cyril wrote that he saw the bikes running. Find a place and go to hide forever..

  76. 76 Donny Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    KC Chief is an “Ed-iot” and a fat liar..

  77. 77 Brock Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    KC CHeef…you are indeed a bitter man….

    First of all…I was one of the three that visited factory in February and reported on the bikes. It was me that sat on a pre-production bike and I also reported bikes were on the dyno being run and tested and they had already been running them to test tranny, clutch, brakes, etc. Nobody was making vrooom noises unless that was the sound of you giving a hummer to your master.

    Secondly,……Blackdog was in a serious bike accident not of his fault. he was hit by a road rage driver. It is a very serious accident that he is lucky to be alive and nearly lost his leg over the incident. Your sarcasm and slights and bitter comments towards KM and others is one thing…but to ridicule and make light of someone that got hit by an asshole in a cage during a fit of rage….that the doctors thought would lose his leg…and has months of healing and PT before he can get mobile and back near where he was…if ever…is the lowest fucked up and piece of shit action a person can do. I am even surprised you would joke and lament over a persons agony and near loss of limb due to bitter self promoting attitudes and your own personal vendetta against anyone that does not follow your lonely trail.

    Get a life….criticize KM all you want…..but also share the same critical eye and questioning towards Crazy Horse. The claim was KM would never build a bike and CH would have them out in a year. How many dealerships for CH have you visited….how many CH vin bikes have you heard running or been sold.

    For the record…you are not welcome at any event I am a host or co-host. I can ride and drink with about anyone but for you there is no more forgiveness with your most recent comments concerning Daves accident. Even assholes have compassion to those seriously hurt by others…and you just proved your are the lowest of low with your comments and lack of compassion for his pain and suffering. Even with all the comments and negative attacks against me by you….i still would not wish that accident upon you or anyone else. Like I said….you are not welcome and are the ONLY person I have ever said that to in my entire life.

    Fuck You.

  78. 78 03 Chief Jul 24th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    I don’t know any of the parties that seem to be fueding, But it is plain as day that KC has a BIG problem that no website or blog can fix. A sad excuse for a man, That got what he was asking for & is pissed about it now. You made your bed there SUPERSTAR, Now it’s nap time

  79. 79 09Chief Jul 25th, 2008 at 2:25 am

    That was a very quick enlightening.
    Sorry KC, I don’t need to “know” any rider to empathize with them for an accident had. You refer to this rider only with a derogatory name and that shows the amount of disrespect you have for him so your concern in your later post is obvious fake.
    This also seems to be the same way your treat Keith. If you treat the people at Kings Mountain in the same way, I’m willing to bet your emails hit the spam folder without even being read.
    I like questions. I like answers more and I got a lot of them tonight. I couldn’t quite put my finger on why KC would be railing someone on someone else’s blog about Indian for answers that Indian would have at hand. The personal vendettas seem to be the obvious answer.
    If KC is a test rider for a competing motorcycle company then he needs to man up, state his intentions and stand by them or is the success of his motorcycle company hinged on the failure of Indian? That seems like a really weak business plan to me. Then again, some of his logic in his posts kind of hints at this possibility.
    As for the “in crowd” joke, you can keep your pencils. I wouldn’t knowingly ride with a person like you.

  80. 80 Conrad Nicklus Jul 28th, 2008 at 1:10 pm



    SO AS PER YOUR COMMENT: “bottom line is if you’re tired of the tired Harley, but don’t want the bland BMW or Honda, and appreciate Americana..then The Indian is they way to go. Every where I ride I get attention on either my Chief or my Spirit. More than that, I know I’ve seperated from the heard…unlike Conrad, I’m no elitist..I appreciate all motorcycles and I’ve been riding since I was 16 and I’ve come to appreciate the heritage of Indian Motorcycles.”

    I have been riding since way before 16 and I appreciate all bikes. I mean come on Keith, motorcycles are paying my college tuition! BUT as for Indian I have very HARSH feelings. They keep the name here over and over again for what? Them to go down the tubes and owe everyone money which in turn raises the prices for all of the other people in the industry? Thats stone cold fucked.

    NOW as per your comment: “and build a quality product”

    Indian does NOT build a quality product. Go back and look at warranty records fromt he very few years they were in production last time around. They had a 41% warranty rate. So do you realize that out of the some 12,000 bikes they built that roughly 5000 of them went back to the dealer/manufactuer for work because their bikes are such a QUALITY piece of shit. Did you never have the problem with the Power Plus powerplant? Or do you have the Pre-Power Plus engine? Do you even know why they have the Power Plus engine? I DO.

    I already read the articles in magazines about every bike, every how to, every tech article and every add. I want to know everything as I am a knowledge freak about cars, trucks, boats, planes and bikes. Maybe you should scan back to 1 of 4 issues that I have read that discuss the inferior PowerPlus powerplant. The 100″ Power Plus was built weaker than any other motor ever produced by a standing manufactuer. Does that tell yous omething about QUALITY Keith?

    The main issues with these powerplants, PROBLEMS OTHER MOTORS DO NOT HAVE SUCH AS TP,S&S,Harley (Yes I said Harley, BMW, Honda, Suzuki, RevTech, etc. etc. etc, were the lack of quality parts used in the production. An overall look at a Power Plus 100″ shows how many problems there really are inside. The poorly done machine work matched with the shitty NON QUALITY parts and the lack of R&D shows exactly what Indians attention to detail they really have. They are NOT quality, they are not here to keep a good name. Just like most people out there they are here for money.

    So as me being here as an ELITIST, as per Keiths word for me, I must prove you wrong. I love bikes, I hate Indians and I hate BMW bikes. I like some Harleys but I dont like them for looks I like them for shear appeal of the sound (V-Rod). I like some “crotchrockets”, I like all of Rookes bikes, I like Joe Martins stuff to a certain degree and same for Eddie Trotta. Jesse James has my respect more than anyone else aswell. He is probably the most skilled metal worker in this industry and he builds what HE WANTS not what he thinks people will want. Fred Kodlin (I want to meet him!!!! still have not to this day that I am aware)as a custom builder he has some of the best designs I have ever seen. He uses every type of powerplant and does not care about what others say, thats amazing. Buell, hell of a bike and hell of an idea yet lacking in the looks department the bike is still very well constructed and very well laid out with every aspect of riding whether be curves, straights or long distance. All of them have my respect and oneday I hope to own 1 of each bike brand out just to show my love for bikes (of all kinds). Yes once I am out of college and on with my business career.

    Indian does NOT have my respect though. They have kept coming back wishing of the cash dreams everyone from the past has recived until Gilroy. But I think its time they let the dying dog sleep. Kill the name let it live with a strong history not come back and put an even bigger stain on the name than Gilroy already did. They should stick to selling antique parts and shirts and not try and “UPDATE” to new technology. You can not keep the classic Indian look and expect quality guys.

    So, I am sorry that you think im an “ELITIST” Keith. Maybe you should get to know someone before you make such judgement calls on someone character. This is a damn blog for Christs sake not talking in person to where you can calculate a some what correct since of character.

    Have a great day to every motorcyclist who reads this. Be safe and watch out for the idiots on the road.

    Over and out

  81. 81 Danny Flucke AKA Fugdbdt Jul 28th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Oh – What a sad day it is when even Superman tries to pass off his opinion as “facts”…

    “You don’t jump into the market with a 40k bike and tell everybody that your bike is better than the rest of the pack…’s insulting….and it makes you look stupid.”

    Poor delusional Superman. Maybe it’s brought on by jealousy – Maybe just ignorance.

    Find a quote where anyone from KM-IMC bashes the competition. Find any quote where they mention the 2009 Chief is better than HD. All quotes point to building the best bike possible with the highest standards – And having seen and ridden them – I agree.

    Is the quality of the drivetrain and shifting of the transmission above HD standards? Yes.

    Is the paint equal to HD? Yes.

    Are HD’s handbuilt by 6 person teams? No.

    Are the brakes superior to HD’s. Yes

    And the list goes on………..

    So you make your choice. $15 to $18k for one of a few hundred thousand barebones HD’s or $40k for a limited production Chief.

    If my 2003 Chief wasn’t better than all of the six HD’s I’ve owned – I’d have gotten another HD. And the 2009 is better than my upgraded 2003. First hand experience and knowledge at work here – Not some lame blahblahblahblah…

    Will I be buying a 2009? No. Although it is a better overall machine – I’ve got too much sweat and bloody knuckles my 2003 to make the jump.

    Some Indian riders made other choices. A good friend traded his 2001 Chief for a new Electra Glide…

    Until you have actually seen and ridden the 2009 Chief – Maybe you should keep an open mind about the value that comes with a $40k bike.

    You might see it and ride it and still have the same opinion – But at least it will be accurate and not simply guessing.

    Until then – You have been demoted to Robin…

    And remember Robin – The 2009 chief is not marketed or intended to be in everyones garage. Only a few will want one bad enough to buy one – And only a few will be able to afford this motorcycle at this price point.

    Same as the Gilroy era – Same as the Springfield era – And now – Same as the Kings Mountain era…

    You and I can stomp and blahblahblah all we want – But the truth remains that the market will decide if it is worth $40k. You have already decided to vote no without riding it and seeing it. I have decided to vote no since I already have something very similar.

    I guess we’ll see what other riders think in the coming months and years…

    Thanx, D

  82. 82 Danny Flucke AKA Fugdbdt Jul 28th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    KC – I wouldn’t tolerate anyone making light of an accident you – Or any other rider had. On any brand…

    I don’t care about politics of the past or misunderstandings or bad feelings – You owe Dave a simple, private, apology for this post…

    Thanx, D

  83. 83 Keith Jul 28th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    You’re right, I don’t know you or your background…I can only base my opinion on what you write on these blogs, and all I’ve seen is you bashing Indian. You are right about one thing..the Gilroy Indians had PLENTY of quality control issues, but I still love em.
    However, you CANNOT possibly compare Gilroy with KM. the mindset is totally different, and I’d bet ya they build a MUCH higher quality bike than gilroy (not that THAT would be hard to do, mind you).
    However, I should apologize fo rthe “elitist” comment…I don’t know you, and it was unfair. I will say that you cannot judge the new Indian like the Gilroy Indian..that would be akin to judging today’s Harley like the AMF Harley.

  84. 84 Nicker Jul 28th, 2008 at 4:51 pm


    “…Jesse James …. He is probably the most skilled metal worker in this industry…”

    A very skilled promoter….. Yes
    The most skilled metal worker…. No.

    Reality check:, go look out on the net at some of the hand hammers aluminum GP tanks being offered. Polished to a high finish, no room for any bondo covered flows there……

    “…. [Jesse] builds what HE WANTS not what he thinks people will want…”

    Yes! …..There your spot on. And that’s part of his promotional skill.

    “… Kill the [Indian] name let it live with a strong history not come back and put an even bigger stain on the name …”

    What about Triumph?
    They made a credible comeback from bad management.
    So, should Triumph have been “killed off” too….???

    Le-me suggest that rather than focusing on “brand-politics” (people or products), try focusing on “the business case” (what works and what sells).

    Each of us may “like” a certain parson or thing as a matter of individual taste. But our personal preferences have little relevance to anyone else. Sorta like the kid in a car with the stereo set on “ear-bleed.” Like, everyone else should be impressed with the moronic drivel that he thinks passes for music.

    However, what is relevant to each of us is the value in a person, product, or process.
    The current Indian effort looks to be well executed, so far anyway. No matter which brand you prefer, if the Indian effort works, it’ll be a valuable lesson for all of us.

    And just so, regarding the “brand politics” of custom metal work, don’t discount the metal working abilities of thousands of other craftsman who are as good or better than JJ.

    A boom box blasting out the rantings of so many angry Aborigines beating on a hollow log, doesn’t sound like music to me. But that’s a personal preference. The issue is, does it sell….???

    Just a though.

  85. 85 Gar Jul 28th, 2008 at 8:17 pm


    Dude, I do believe you went over the top with this. I know why you were pissed about with the “elitist” comment and I know your temper is almost as bad as your Fathers, however, Keith apologized and you will be a bigger man if you accept the apology and move on.

    As for Indian going away, maybe. The fact of the matter is they are back and deserve a chance. If they build crap like they (the former management) did in Gilroy then they need to be taken out back and shot in the head and the Indian named should be sent to Shangri-La never to be seen or heard from again.

    I remember a story you Father told me several years ago about a conversation he and Donnie Smith had had years earlier …… Donnie told your Dad to be true to himself and build what he likes and _uck everyone else. If people like what you build they will buy your bikes, if not you can always be a Greeter at Wal-Mart”. Sounds like good advice to me and I believe that is one reason your Father has been so successful in this industry.

    So I say to you, young Mr. Nicklus, be true to yourself and carry on!

    Gar Out

  86. 86 Conrad Nicklus Jul 28th, 2008 at 10:45 pm


    I am sorry too. But to be quite honest the comment infuriated me and my fathe rhad to tell me about it first. I never read this stuff anymore so I was PISSED at first site. I apologize for the rudeness of my comment to you but I do appreciate all bikes. Just am upset about the situtation and name.

  87. 87 keith Jul 28th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Well, I did admit earlier and I stick to the comment I made that I do believe this is Indian’s last chance. Many people besides Conrad think that Indian is a low-quality Piece of crap, and I can’t 100% disagree. Gilroy really screwed the pooch on the PP-100 and went to production way too soon. Not too mention gilroy had some severe mismanagement issues…lots of problems, but I admit, I’m a sucker for Indian. I fell in love with the Chiefs when they came out, and immediately got rid of my heritage softail so I could own one, and I admit, I would never look back. However, I would NEVER say that Gilroy Indian made the best product…that’s a stretch even for my vast imagination; But I would say they brought back something that has let me live a dream that I’v always wanted since I was a kid looking at my Dad’s 46 Chief…I wanted my own, and I got one, and I friggin love it. On top of that the Indian motorcycle community is literally family. We are related by Indian, and we all know each other, and it’s an incredible experience to be part of this arcane family. I have met some of the most ownderful people because of oqning an Indian, and I wouldnt trade that for the world.
    Now hindsight has given me the painful realization that Gilroy cut some corners and had some major quality issues, and that is, IMHO, tragic. I also had serious doubts about the new Indian, but after watching them methodically do what they said they would do, and I see that they dDO take quality much more serious than the Gilroy Indian, I am hopeful that they will finally get it right. From the specs I’ve seen, this should be a VERY nice bike worthy of the name, but, I will acknowledge, time will tell. I am biased, I want them to succeed, but I recognize my bias.
    Like I said, if they fail again, I think it’s the last time.
    I, unlike others, hope it’s not the case.
    Here’s to my beloved Indian…Americas first MOTOCYCLE!!

  88. 88 keith Jul 28th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    No worries, amigo…we see things differently, but I appreciate your passion. I take it you are a builder?

  89. 89 Conrad Nicklus Jul 29th, 2008 at 1:53 am


    I build on occasion lol.. My father is Jeff Nicklus, he owns Desperado Motorcycles and Jeff Nicklus Customs.

    I build my own bikes when I get a chance here and there. But with college in the way I really dont get a chance anymore, just build up a lot of ideas in my head for future projects which I hope to start sooner or later.

  90. 90 Conrad Nicklus Jul 29th, 2008 at 2:00 am

    NICKER……Read what I wrote CAREFULLY and you will see this: “He is probably the most skilled metal worker in this industry and he builds what HE WANTS not what he thinks people will want.”

    I stated an OPINION.. saying Jesse is ONE of the most talented metal workers out there and of that the top or damn close in the industry. As a friend of his I follow a lot of his work and I personally feel that my OPINION should not be discredited or bashed on by anyone.

    I do agree there are plenty of skilled metal workers out there and yes some better than him. But like stated he is ONE of the most skilled. So please let me make MY opinion. Everyone has their own opinions. Just like Keith likes Indians and I dont. That is our right as Americans.

  91. 91 Keith Jul 29th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    True dat, Conrad, we are allowed our likes, dislikes, and opinions. About the only time I’ll yell “Foul!” is when there is a “hidden” agenda when bashing another motorcycle company, like the dude I was arguing with earlier.
    Granted, we have our bias, and like I said, I dig Indians, but I dig em all…in fact, I just checked out your web site and those are some impressive choppers, amigo…you should be proud of your Dad…and 13 years in the business definitely says something very positive, IMHO.
    Good luck in college, and best of Luck to Desperado Motorcycles!

  92. 92 Danny Flucke AKA: Fugedaboudit Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Conrad – I’d like to see you build your design of what an Indian Chief should be.

    I modified my 2001 Centennial Scout into a tribute bike to my grandparents –

    And wish I had the expertise to do a ground up build m- But I know my limitations and am satisfied with the result.

    Still – It would be kool to see what you come up with………..

    For anyone else who missed it – Indian Motorcycle is heading to SoCal after they leave Sturgis.

    They will be at Corona Indian on Sat Aug 16th and Cooks Corner on Sun Aug 17th – Both days from 10am to 5pm. (Google them for addresses…)

    And an open invite to our Indian riders party on Sat night – Bratwurst/UFC/poker/cigars/beer/broads/booze – And plenty of room to stay for those who like the beer and booze…..

    I’ll post the address if anyone is interested – Or just meet us at Corona Indian…………..

    Thanx, D

  93. 93 Keith Aug 5th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Danny-YOU know I’m there, Bruddah!

  94. 94 Timothy J. Grisack Mar 1st, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Indian Motorcycle is now on its way to taking its place in the new motorcycle age! Love them or hate them they are here to stay! So strap yourself in and enjoy the ride!

  95. 95 Timothy J. Grisack Mar 8th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Enjoy the new Indian motorcycles everyone! They are classic and hold a place in iconic branding of big bikes on the American roads. Move over for the Chief and Scout who will always catch the eye of everyone it passes and stands beside! If you have never ridden one then do yourself a favour! Just ride it!

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