Lead Ban On Motorcycles

dirtbikesIt seems that off-road machines (made in China?) contain lead at a level greater than 600 parts per million (whatever it means!). Because there is a national limit of lead acceptable in children’s products, since last week there is a ban on selling off-road motorcycles to children younger than 12. Consequently, all dealers are required to remove dirt bikes from their show floors. 13,000 dealers would be affected for an amount of about $100 million of stock. The federal consumer agency is reviewing an appeal made by manufacturers of motocross and dirt bikes. For now, major Brands are offering to pay for the cost incurred by Dealers for keeping an inventory that they can’t show and sell. What’s next to protect us from us?


39 Responses to “Lead Ban On Motorcycles”

  1. 1 Jeff Nicklus Feb 17th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Tell the little rug rats to stop chewing on the motorcycles and ride them. Problem solved!

    Over & Out,


  2. 2 harry Feb 17th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Funny quip Mr. Nicklus, but this deal is far from funny; guess the CPSC wants to play nanny again like they did w/ the ATV industry in the 1980’s. This was something that was slipped under everyone’s nose at the 11th hour and now most everyone in the motorcycle industry is up in arms. I contacted two congressmen myself (via e-mail) and let them know my dissatisfaction w/ this whole deal. If anyone out here on this blog has kids or grandkids that ride, I’d get on the horn and let them know in no particular terms how pissed off that you are about this. This issue is going to put a LARGE setback in the Amateur MX programs in the US, because of some overbearing, save us from ourselves gov’t lackey that is overpaid and underworked. Some people might not give a shit about this but I do and like Mr. Huze, awareness of this matter is important and needs to be pushed out there as much as possible. Just my opinion for what it’s worth…

  3. 3 J Feb 17th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Ummm…. Since virtually every vehicle on the road has a lead acid battery that weighs at least 10 lbs, then it follows that 10 lbs X 600 parts per million would mean that every vehicle weighing under 6 billion pounds apiece would be in violation of this rule…..

  4. 4 J Feb 17th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Oh wait- the EPA is still busy keeping us safe from R12- never mind…….

  5. 5 Nicker Feb 17th, 2009 at 4:58 pm


    Spot on dude…!!!!

    This is just another part of the Power grab by an administration full of Liberal Radicals.

    And the same “no lead excuse” will target “old obsolete Books.”
    (old books will be replaced by new books)

    Some of you-all wanted “Change” (you know who you are).
    Well, this boys and girls is CHANGE…… and you ain’t seen nothing yet.


  6. 6 fuji Feb 17th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Damn Chineese if it’s not one thing it’s another . If there not careful they will use up all the lead in the world and we won’t be able to invade another country.

  7. 7 spackler Feb 17th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    This law was passed and signed last August. It just took effect Feb. 10.

    Story in today’s USA Today on it:

  8. 8 Bobfather Feb 18th, 2009 at 12:51 am

    Huh, signed last August when I believe the person doing the signing had a last name of Bush? Damn liberal commies, can’t trust a Bush as far as you can throw them. All this time masquerading as a bumbling idiotic right wing Republican. Now we all know the truth, he was a really a left wing liberal out to discredit the right wing bible thumpers. Damn am I pissed.

  9. 9 Nicker Feb 18th, 2009 at 1:03 am


    Apparently you don’t know the difference between a Conservative and Liberal.
    No Conservative EVER believed the Bushy-boy was anything other than a Kennedy Liberal.
    Conservative Republicans simply voted for the lesser of the two evils.

    Please, get a grip or go back on medication….. 🙂


  10. 10 Bobfather Feb 18th, 2009 at 2:14 am

    guess you don’t know sarcasm when you read it. Not surprised given the things I’ve seen you post. It was all a fucking joke, just like the Bush presidency.

  11. 11 Cade Feb 18th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Bobfather , take the “change” and stick it where sun will never shine. Nicker has hit the nail square on it’s head here so do as I say…Go stick it where the sun will never shine.

  12. 12 Mike Kiwi Tomas, Kiwi Indian M/C Co Feb 18th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    OUR Government hard at work for WE the people.

  13. 13 Pitbull Feb 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Doesnt our Government know how big this industry is and how bad it will affect it? There are many families that ride together as a family, everyone including the little kids. Have kids been affected by lead in these bikes before? Lets see…. I’ve been riding since I was 5 yrs old, learned on a mini bike then graduated to a Honda Trail 70, have had numerous dirt bikes since of all sizes, Doctor says I have no lead poisoning, kids arent eating these bikes, they wear gloves and other protective gear, this is rediculous, step aside tree huggers, seems like a ploy for some other reason.

  14. 14 Dennis Johnson Feb 18th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Don’t just voice your opinion here, go to this link and send a message to those in charge.

    Scroll past my blather and go to the ARRA link to generate a petition letter for congress.

    We were following this situation very closely while in Indy for Dealer Expo and let me tell you this is no joke, no matter your political leanings. We’re talking the livelihoods of many, many people. From dealers to manufacturers to the aftermarket to youth racing to just about anybody with a stake in this industry.

    There’s also the Web site of Tom Self, a Missouri representative, who organized http://www.tomself.com, a site at which visitors can produce emails for their individual congressmen.

  15. 15 Dennis Johnson Feb 18th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    whoops. forgot the ARRA link. go to this and scroll to the link in the last paragraph.


  16. 16 Dennis Johnson Feb 18th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Sorry for not being able to leave well enough alone. One more link.


  17. 17 Troy Feb 18th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    When was the last time any of you painted a bike with lead paint. We haven’t had lead based paint in this country for a long time and paint and people are better off for it, even though it costs more. Lead based paint will fade and expose lead to the surface, batteries are contained and pose no threat to youngsters. I see this as a leveling of the playing field and not unecessary government control. Whoever stocks these Chinese pieces of crap gets no sympathy from me.

  18. 18 Dennis Johnson Feb 18th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    This doesn’t just apply to Chinese products or the other “New Asian” machines. This applies to the big 4 Japanese OEMs and just about any aftermarket manufacturer that makes P&A for children — which mostly applies to off-road products so you’re talking helmets, roost protectors, etc. So this isn’t a problem for only those who stock “these Chinese pieces of crap.”
    Do you think the MIC/SVIA would be fighting this hard to protect nonmembers?

    Read the details. The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) applies to used, current and non-current ATVs, motorcycles, and snowmobiles and related products such as collectibles, apparel, parts and accessories.

    There are two provisions in the law, one covering lead paint and the second covering lead content in the total product. The content provision is especially difficult because it applies to items such as steel frames, valve stems, batteries and cables, etc.

    No, this is an issue that affects a wide swath of the industry.

  19. 19 Jeff Nicklus Feb 18th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Sounds to me like it is time for another fuckin’ Tea Party!

    Over & Out,


  20. 20 Cade Feb 18th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Shit is gonna have to hit the fan in this nation before people start to stand up and take notice.
    Check out todays NY Post cartoon about the stimulus package.

  21. 21 Nicker Feb 18th, 2009 at 8:05 pm


    “… I see this as a leveling of the playing field …”

    Say what…????
    There’s a “level playing field” argument for kids riding lead painted motorcycles…..????
    This i gotta hear…!!!!
    And don’t bother me with baby crib or house paint stories…… this is a biker blog.

    Lead painted motorcycles have about as much of an impact on kids as SUVs have on global warming. But that’s just MHO.

    I can’t wait to hear your side of this “story”…… OVER???


  22. 22 Cade Feb 18th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    Troy ,
    Do you waer one of those Chinaman made helmets that has been lead painted ?

  23. 23 harry Feb 18th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Heard all of the arguments and I have said my piece, but this is fact: the lead content that is involved in the makeup of youth ATV’s/Minibikes is insignificant. This is being used to ban the sale and use of youth ATV’s/Minibikes. The gov’t, in no particular terms is doing (or trying to do) the job of the parents. If Mom and Dad want to let their son/daughter go trail riding or participate in any kind of sanctioned racing at the Amateur level, then it is their business, not the goverment’s business. Selected gov’t agencies along with other anti-OHV enviromental organizations such as Earth First have been and still are attacking the off-road enthusiats and industry in one capacity or another for over 25+ years now and it is obvious w/ the current administration in the White House and the current party that control both houses are going to support those agencies and see that not only off-road vehicles are banned, but they will be taken away and and all the public land available to ride them on as well. Freedom is absolute, you cannot be selective with it to fit within your personal agenda at the time. I started on a bike out in the desert many, many years ago. I want the opportunity to do so with my kids. The gov’t has no fucking business to tell me otherwise…

  24. 24 greg Feb 19th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    the dumb ass goverment has no idea
    how about going to a youth national race,look at the money
    the people spend to have there kids there,
    lets look at that
    40,000-150,000 or more for a motorhome
    2,000 -15,000 for a trailer
    2,000-10,000 per bike and most have 2-4 bikes
    100.00 of dollars in gas to travel
    plus food,parts,gear to protect there kids,beer for dad (keeps
    miller in business which keeps jobs here)motels at local towns
    all over the usa,this is the just a start of it.
    how many jobs will be lost from this it will go from the top to
    the bottom,all i guess what washington many more houses foreclosed
    i thought wasington was tring to fix the slump in the nation
    but looks like to me they are the ones causing the problems.
    this is what i would like these dumb ass people to do go to the white house check the lead content in that building i will bet you
    there is more in that old building than in any motorcyle ever seen
    then move mr.obama and his family out to a motel and stop the tours
    because kids walk thru there every day and they can’t be exposed to the lead,if they checked washington would be condemed.
    this is the dumbest thing i have seen since peta.
    thank you
    usa goverment for keeping us safe and living in the streets around
    fire barrels.
    lead ban no it’s USA BAN OF OUR WAY OF LIFE

  25. 25 Timmy Feb 19th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    This law was voted last August under the Bush administration, and effective now. Obama has nothing to do with it.

  26. 26 Nicker Feb 19th, 2009 at 5:00 pm


    “… Obama has nothing to do with it…”

    What’s your point…….???
    Because Bush did it, we should have accepted it…..???
    Hell, we all know Bushe didn’t veto a fucking thing.
    Tell me who authored this crap.


  27. 27 Timmy Feb 19th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    Nicker, I confirm “Obama has nothing to do with it” as wrongly stated in a comment above. Proposed by EPA republicans..

  28. 28 Troy Feb 19th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    My point was that if you make a part or whatever and send it to China or wherever, then you have to fill out a ROHS form and sign it , stating that you haven’t used lead based anything and if you have, how much, etc. Why should the Chinese or whoever have an advantage on us by not providing the same quality as our products which cost more because we have to use non lead-based paint. As for children, I think parents should protect their own, not the government. And I thought this was a bike blog too, but lately it’s been more about politics. If anybody out there is using lead- based paint on their bikes please let me know and I’ll add your name to the list, right under China.

  29. 29 harry Feb 19th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    When we bring in products from China or anywhere else, it should (or need to conform) to US standards, but this is the deal–there are alterior motives behind this, anything that the gov’t can do with little or no static to take away the rights of off-highway vehicle enthusiats, they will do in the name of “safety”, or “the enviroment”. The enviro-nazi’s have been trying to do this to us for a long time, and now with a compliant white house and a dem-controlled house and senate, they have the ammo to do so. Yes, Former Pres. Bush was in office when this was signed but keep in mind, who was controlling both houses then? Just some things to think about. As I have said many times about BOTH parties, they are not working for us anymore, and that is the real problem, they have their own agendas now, and people they owe favors to so that is their first priority, not any of us “slack-jawed working folk”. Businesses selling ATV’s/Dirt Bikes are the ones that will suffer greatly, so much for looking to stimulate the economy. Mr. Nicker, perhaps you are right, maybe it is time for another fucking tea party as you put it, this time lets throw some hybrids in the bay, wouldn’t want to waste a perfectly good H-D or Victory/lol. Now I will shut up…

  30. 30 harry Feb 19th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    Meant to say “Mr. Nicklus” (where it says “Mr. Nicker”) in regards to my last post–my apologies; but Mr. Nicker, you are right about a lot of stuff as well, I consider you to be the two wise men on the blog (not counting Mr. Huze), from bikes to the other issues we discuss on here. Now I will finally shut the hell up…

  31. 31 jjames Feb 19th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    The sad thing is this isn’t about the damn paint, it is about the valve stems, the batteries, the crank case and so on. It doesn’t matter who the hell put the bill out, the problem at hand is it’s out and the government isn’t willing to give these people a time line that is reasonable to accommodate such law. I researched this a little and heard a comment to the fact that there is no legal age definition of child. This ban affects everything not just motorcycles, it affects anything marketed to a child the motorcycles are just the most affected at this time, just wait and see more will come up.

  32. 32 burnout Feb 20th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    This looks like a smoke screen to cover something even more sinister…….I shouldnt be surprised……Buying a stupid license plate is a major hoop jumping experience these days…………. I don’t even want to get started on insurance companies……………I fear for my children and their children. peace

  33. 33 metalarts Feb 23rd, 2009 at 11:31 am

    Just picked up my new Benelli M4 Tactical 12 Gauge Shotgun this weekend.. the Government is welcome to come by and pick up some lead…

  34. 34 GTLover Feb 23rd, 2009 at 11:44 am

    This stupid piece of legislation hastened the closing of a couple of shops in my area, already hit hard by the economic slowdown. Although I’ve heard rumors of a few places that tried to weasel through by not selling the said bikes to children under 12…they sell them to teenage siblings, instead. Ditto for adults buying 70cc quads for their own use. Another case of good intention becoming poor execution, much like the Economic “Stimulus” Bill.

    I’m not too sad to see the cheapo made in China/Taiwan/India bikes pulled off the floor, with the possible caveat that these products do get quite a few new riders into the sport. However, the Big Four do get quite a few parts from these low cost asian suppliers too!

    Please, keep an open dialog with your local lawmakers and other elected officials. We need, more than ever, to strike a balance between over-legislation and under-regulation. I think somebody around here once said something about protecting our future without losing our past.

  35. 35 ruth Feb 24th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    just add another warning to the bike . Its the parents problem not the gov. Of course the products shouldn’t be here in the first place if they aren’t within the set lead limits from china. THATS BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH IMPORT INSPECTORS (WORKING MEN) instead of chiefs in the White House.

  36. 36 Nicker Feb 25th, 2009 at 2:37 am


    “…Proposed by EPA republicans…”

    Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

    DoD Engineering data standards and DOT J2008 data standards were being development at the same time. At that time, in an hour long phone conversation with an EPA official over j2008, On board-II, and the, then proposed Dyno smog testing, i got an ear full on the philosophy and arrogance of the EPA.

    What i heard over the phone was a bureaucrat totally out of control, Trust me this clown and his agenda was no Republican. He was, at best a Big government Liberal control freak.

    Near as i can figure the EPA is full of career govt. employees totally out of control.
    Don’t see any connection with Republicans there…..????


  37. 37 Bush whacked Mar 20th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    The Bush administration signed this into law, so you shouldn’t be defending the Republican party because they backed him. So he not only bankrupt America due to a war with the wrong country, he also indebted us over a trillion dollars to Communist China. Maybe this was a little extra payback to Communist China for helping him out. After Reagan fought so hard to destroy Communism, Bush sells our country to them. Remember, every time you shop at WalMart or buy a Chinese knock off you are helping support a Communist Country. Russia was nothing compared to this.

    So remember,
    Stop supporting Communism, stop buying made in China

  38. 38 rossta Apr 2nd, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    i have a brand new 140 cc jaileng pit bike motor in my 1970 honda ct 70 minitrail, and the kicjk idler shaft snapped due to complications and i cant!!!! even get the part over here in the us….ughhhhhhhhhhh i hate my life and this stupid lead ban.

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