Indian Motorcycle Featured This Monday On ABC News In Good Morning America

indianmotorcycleridingThis Monday November 9, 2009, Indian Motorcycle will be featured on ABC News during the “Good Morning America” show.  The documentary is a feature on Indian Motorcycle Company, highlighting the revival of this historic brand amid America’s struggling automotive and motorcycle manufacturing industry. In it “Good Morning America’s” weekend anchor Bill Weir is riding a 2010 Indian Chief on a trip through the North Carolina mountains to Deal’s Gap, the famed “Tail of the Dragon” hailed by many as the best motorcycling road in the USA.

With him motorcycle historian Dale Walksler is riding a vintage 1944 Indian Chief and provide expert commentary on American motorcycling history.Indian Motorcycle began producing motorcycles in 1901, and paved the way early on for many other American motorcycle manufacturers to flourish during the earliest part of the 20th century.  Once our country’s largest motorcycle producer, the Indian Motorcycle Company became defunct shortly after World War II.  The iconic brand resumed production in 2008 and has since released seven models including the 2010 Chief Dark Horse and 2010 Limited Edition Chief Bomber. Indian Motorcycle.

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50 Responses to “Indian Motorcycle Featured This Monday On ABC News In Good Morning America”


  1. 1 Indian Rider... Nov 6th, 2009 at 9:07 am

    EXCELLENT! Let THOSE that Envy, now begin with their criticisms! Oh?! whats that? You don’t Envy the Indian Brand? Oh… well!…….don’t criticize then!

  2. 2 Pitbull Nov 6th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    Indian Rider that is exactly what you supposed to say when you own an indian, the problem is the new ones arent really that cool, my opinion is they are just like all the other clone bikes, only they have much history. Problem is only the old ones are cool and worth anything, remember when Henderson tried to come back, lots of marketing money but where are they now? Hope Indian does alot better, only time will tell.

  3. 3 BOB Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    I would love to have the Dark Horse. The near $30,000.00 pricetag is just too much. Maybe in a few years I’ll get a used one.
    I love the brand and wish hem well!

  4. 4 1550tc Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    The near $30,000.00 pricetag

    ditto on the clone bikes from 01

    i have to admit those 02 CCI parts bin indians did have the nicest semi hard-soft bags on any bike 🙂

    PITBULL best clone was that indian kawasaki clone and they couldnt even sell those 🙁

    yeah u can buy 2 nice used HDs, like an older springer and hot rod ded up 02 fxdx or a classic older fxr

  5. 5 Todd8080 Nov 6th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    Indian Rider:

    “EXCELLENT! Let THOSE that Envy, now begin with their criticisms! Oh?! whats that? You don’t Envy the Indian Brand? Oh… well!…….don’t criticize then!”

    First “arizona” equates criticism with envy (“Only those with envy criticize” here: http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/11/03/indian-motorcycle-extending-its-cash-for-clunkers-offer/comment-page-1/#comment-109197) and now you.

    If your lawn guy does a terrible job cutting your grass and you criticize his work, does that mean you’re envious? If a painter leaves drips, runs & bare spots and you criticize his work, are you envious?

    The new “Indians” are simply tarted-up Harley clones, just as the Gilroy “Indians” were. If owning one makes you happy, fine, but if you think anyone who knows anything about motorcycles is envious, you’re sadly mistaken.

    Non-riders and newbies are easily impressed by Indian-style fenders, since they’ve never seen a real Indian and thus have no point of reference. But remove those fenders from your “Indian” and guess what’s left? We all know what’s left.

    So basically these bikes are little more than a means of transporting fake Indian fenders around to show to people who don’t know any better. You could save a fortune by just throwing a pair of reproduction Indian fenders in the back of a pickup and driving them around to show people.

    Not much to envy when you think about it.

  6. 6 Shifter Nov 7th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Good for Indian. Such a tv coverage is priceless.

  7. 7 Asa Nov 7th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    I think if you were to look a little closer at the new Indians you would find they are really other than looks (,which Harley copied in the first place ),they are not much like a harley at all . Much bigger bike better handling list goes on .I am a Harley owner but I had plenty of xtra cash I would have a new and a Old Indian .I like them a lot but I do think they are way over priced . Asa

  8. 8 todd the hater...... Nov 7th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Hey Todd.. although i’m sure you’ll say you can afford one.. i highly dobt that you can.. dont forget Indian was around before Harley.. you wanna talk about copies? go back in history.. EVERYTHING IS A COPY OF A COPY OF A COPY. BIG DEAL. If you can’t afford an Indian.. GO BUY A HARLEY, SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE, and please… SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE.
    thank you. Good day.

  9. 9 Indian Rider Nov 7th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  10. 10 fuji Nov 8th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    This bike was never intended for You or I.

    This is a pure 100% motorcycle intended to be sold to a certain class of owners. i/e same as their high end boats and other ventures.

    Indian wants to overtake the title of American made NO # 1 premium motorcyle, knocking the king from its perch for bragging rights. All about bragging rights, slay the giant.

    I would be very surprised if it [ Indian ] ever reaches the production numbers that some assume it will/want it to have.

    The key for the Co will be controlled production and not over producing for the masses and to state again the NO# 1 US MADE ” PREMIUM ” MOTORCYCLE title.

    Every move is being observed by the Mo Co for the Indian is going to be a big thorn as being a high profile bike to own. Don’t underestimate this co. Give it time.

    Talk is cheap but the owners of Indian are as sharp as they come in the bussiness world and what a better time to go toe to toe with the Motor Co.

    ” Come to my new garage and look at my new bike , no it’s not a Harley every one has one of those. This is an Indian and the boat is my new Chis Craft runabout. “

  11. 11 Todd8080 Nov 8th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    todd the hater: “dont forget Indian was around before Harley”

    Yeah, since 1901, it’s written all over the bike. But the company that made the motorcycle we’re talking about has no affiliation with them whatsoever. Apples and oranges.

    “EVERYTHING IS A COPY OF A COPY OF A COPY. BIG DEAL”

    Oh, really? Look at the current Harley FL front end. It’s based on the original 1949 Hydra-Glide front end designed by famed Milwaukee industrial designer Brooks Stevens. The Air Flow® front fender remains virtually unchanged to this day and the slider covers (cow bells, beer cans) are still interchangable on all FL models sixty years later. Exactly whose design did Stevens copy?

    I don’t hate Indians, I hate unoriginality. You’re just embarrassed because I pointed out how gullible you are for buying a counterfeit design. All you saw were swoopy fenders, and that’s what you [over]paid for. I don’t blame you for trying to defend your position, but sadly it’s indefensible. You have no facts to support your argument, just childish emotion.

    By the way, no one’s questioning your right to buy whatever motorcycle you want, so please spare me that rant. What I’m questioning is your poor judgement based on lack of knowledge.

    Then there’s your statement about being able to “afford one”. That seems to be a very big deal to you; more important than the machine itself. I’ve heard that kind of talk countless times over the years from RUBs who think they can buy their way into becoming instant bikers. I’m afraid it doesn’t work like that. You can’t pay your motorcycling dues with a credit card, and even if you could, a fake “Indian” is the worst possible place to start.

    Concerning “SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE” and “SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE”, that’s pretty easy to say behind the safety of an alias. In a real-life confrontation with me you’d be wetting your frilly pink panties (which incidentally go well with that frilly gay saddle on your “Indian”).

    And “Indian Rider”, you should ask some real Springfield Indian riders what they think of your counterfeit “Indian”. I think you’ll find they’re as insulted by its unoriginality as I am. You’ll also find that any comaraderie you have with them is imagined.

  12. 12 Pop Nov 9th, 2009 at 7:31 am

    Riot.

    I own a Gilroy and watched them sink under the weight of their own malfeasence. So where are we now?

    The Kings Mountain Indian is not any more a counterfeit Indian than a Springer is a conterfeit bike. There are only so many ways to do this cruiser motorcycle thing and like the man sez “there is nothing new under the sun” . Making the argument that Indian is a pretendian got old when Gilroy was turning out proprietary frames and engines.

    I can knock the Gilroys on quality and on design flaws and on the criminal management that killed the company. So far those failures have not been repeated at Kings Mountain. All whining to the contrary, it appears that the pricepoint and the focus on quality has resulted in a saleable product in a market that is running hard into the ditch or haven’t you bothered paying any attention to where the motorcycle industry, HD included, is heading these days?

    If you don’t like the machine more power to you. The deco styling and the large size are an acquired taste. The sticker price is scary. What isn’t an argument is accusing the machine of being a fake anything.

    It is a revival of an American icon and it is being done with attention to detail and respect for the name. The motorcycle is primarily proprietary, there are unique engineering cues, and it offers a ridng experience that is not available from any other machine.

    Last thing. In the current motorcycle market that anything is selling at all is notable. Indian is expanding its dealer network while motorsport dealers nationwide are reducing inventory and shuttering storefronts. Every single new bike of any brand anywhere that gets sold is a lifeline for an industry on the skids. Taking the time to hammer on brands that don’t meet your personal taste is fair enough. It’s a free country. Me, I’m tickled to death that Indian, Harley, Honda, anybody is making any money.

  13. 13 Indian Rider... Nov 9th, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Think of it this time around as Ford and Chevy… Chevy asked for a bail out. HARLEY asked for a bailout..

    FORD DIDN’T ASK FOR A BAILOUT… and guess what “TODD” NEITHER DID INDIAN.

  14. 14 Stefanie Aziere-Sattler/Art By Stefanie Nov 9th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    I agree with that last part Pop, we need to be more positive, be glad that any company is doing well. I love that cyril has this blog, all of us are given the opportunity to see how the industry is progressing, and new products being offered. I have never met a more knowledgeable Indian consultant than Mike Tomas (Kiwi), I only wish he would have had the Television coverage. Thanks for the heads up Cyril.

  15. 15 indian rider2 Nov 9th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    another reason not to get your news from a blog….This wasn’t on Good Morning America today…it was being “taped” today..and will air on the weekend segment…Sorry Cyril, you should stick to talking about choppers and bobbers and leave the news to the motorcycle journalists.

  16. 16 Cyril Huze Nov 9th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Indian Rider2. And what if a mistake was made by Indian in its initial press release? And what if the schedule was changed. And what if it is already taped. You should change your news source.

  17. 17 Indian Rider Nov 9th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    Hey now! lets not get Indian Rider and indian rider2 mixed up! I love your blog Cyril!

  18. 18 Administration Nov 9th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Indian Rider2. By the way, why do you try to hide your identity behind a fake email? Something to hide? Not very “journalistic”…for a moto jounalist!!!

  19. 19 Kenny Nov 9th, 2009 at 11:25 am

    Samson has 5 styles of pipes for all the new Indian models. The bike has so much torque you can feel the power immediately. I have one here at Samson and it runs so good with new pipes.

  20. 20 Lyle Nov 9th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    While getting some Triumph stuff, I had a chance to take a good look at the new Indians at the West Fargo dealer who also happens to be the Triumph dealer. The fit and finish is a lot better than the Gilroy Undians. They are a nice looking bike. However as an original Indian rider and owner, I don’t like the Harley Davidson designed drivertrain. Or, I should say, I like the drivetrain, but not on an Indian. Although the engine is proprietary, it’s still a harley evo design with one cam (orignal Indians had 2) 45 degree (Indians were 42) and the separate baker (designed for harleys, and Indian chiefs were semi unit construction) transmission. Now I will admit, the original Indians were somewhat limited when it came to stroking and boring them out with only 42 degrees. It could be argued, they would have evolved into a 45 or even greater angle. But I really doubt they would have ever taken a step backwards with the one cam and the pre-unt construction. Having said all that, I did have a chance to talk to someone there who claims they are also a dealer for Starklite who is probably the largest supplier of original Indian parts. So at least this dealer supports the old iron. Will I buy a new Indian? No, to me they are not Indians, but just another custom harley inspired bike. Not much different than many customs using a Revtech, or S&S engine. If they become an establised company with dealers all over, and a re-designed engine and drivetrain, then maybe I will. For now, I’ll stick to old Indians, and newer harleys. I wish them well but they jury’s still out in my case. I will admit, I am starting like them more and more and wish the company well. it’ll be interesting to see where they go in the next few years. To reiterate, they are way ahead of the Giroy era Chiefs and I believe this new company is under better manangement.

  21. 21 Todd8080 Nov 9th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Pop wrote:

    “The Kings Mountain Indian is not any more a counterfeit Indian than a Springer is a conterfeit bike.”

    William Harley singlehandedly designed the springer front end. The current version was simply updated by Harley engineers. How can the same company “counterfeit” its own product?

    On the other hand, Kings Mountain “Indian” (mostly foreign owned by the way) is selling a revised version of the Gilroy “Indian” which was entirely based on the Evo Softail.

    That’s not just counterfeiting, it’s blatant, overt, tastelessly conspicuous counterfeiting.

    The motor, transmission, entire primary drive, starter, entire front end, front & rear wheel, charging system, both brake systems, shift linkage, footboards, kickstand and numerous other parts on the current “Indian” are all interchangable with those on Evo Softails. Even the Rick Doss teardrop headlight nacelle was designed specifically for FL Softails.

    And in case no one noticed, real Indians have right-side drive, not left-side drive.

  22. 22 Doc Robinson Nov 9th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Indianrider2 – as a motorcycle journalist myself, I enjoy Cyril’s blog hugely.
    It’s a great service to enthusiasts the world over.
    Wouldn’t miss it any more than I’d miss my morning coffee.

  23. 23 1550tc Nov 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Todd8080

    Even the Rick Doss teardrop headlight nacelle was designed specifically for FL Softails.

    Todd was there anything of any quailty on those Gilroy/ JP parts bin Indians??

    When they were charging these UReal prices for their bikes, i loved the 50 cent 2 piece plastic glad bag logoed rain suits they were tying to sell back in 01 for ??, some stupid amount of $$$$$

    Right there and then i was like…….. ok guys, dont you know that you cant suck and blow at the same time?

  24. 24 Indian Rider Nov 9th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Hey Todd.. Mr. Know it all/pro harley with his blinders on..
    since you know so much.. What Company invented the Swingarm for a motorcycle?

  25. 25 Todd8080 Nov 9th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Indian rider,

    Blinders you say? Blind is not seeing the truth. Is there untruth in what I’ve written?

    To my knowledge the first motorcycle to use a swingarm was the 1910 Flying Merkel.

  26. 26 Pitbull Nov 9th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Swingarm was introduced in 1928 by Moto Guzzi, they also had a v8 engine that they did the Isl of man with.

  27. 27 justafan Nov 9th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    I laugh at those who call the Indian “clones”…go do some homework. Indian was the FIRST American company and for their first 52 years, HD simply took Indians designs. Doesn’t matter. The new Indians are definately the real deal…their own proprietary motor with more premium components that HD ever thought of having, even on it’s CVO. There’s definately room for Indian in this market and I hope they thrive!

  28. 28 Pop Nov 9th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    OK, I give. You are right. The brakes are Brembo. counterfeit like what, I don’t know, Ultras. Hard to make that work when Gilroy was using Brembos before the Motor Factory.

    The teardrop nacelle sadly though is not Doss, neither the one piece Gilroy or the two piece KM but don’t let me slow your roll with facts. I wish you were right. My life would be easier if they were interchangeable.

    Spewing is one way to make your case. Demonstrating a little knowledge of the machine, it’s history including the real world issues that forced the PowerPlus design to be a compromise between new and existing components, and at least in Gilroys case the ongoing effort to move forward with more inhouse manufactured components with each model year until the feces hit the rotating vanes. I can’t speak to KM because they haven’t got enough track record to curve the chart yet.

    If you unload with parts lists of vendor supplied components as some kind of proof of the failure of originality consider saving yourself some time and list the motorcycles that are entirely inhouse manufactured. As you note there won’t be any from Kings Mountain. It goes without saying that there won’t be any from York either.

    By the way, thanks for the Springer history. Having had a few over the years I kind of had a handle on it but it’s all good. The Bad Boy was not a latter day fake of the knuck even though it was built by a company that had been owned by various entities in the intervening years and that the two machines bore very little in common with each other beyond being aircooled and V twins. It was an iconic looker that made a statement about Harley history in current terms.

    The valenced fenders on my Indian do the deed for me too. Tank emblem says Indian. Title says Indian. We got a saying at Foxwoods, read ’em and weep.

  29. 29 justafan Nov 9th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    …just one more thing….Todd should be careful. His HD has been using reworked Asian parts on their bikes for the last ten years….no wonder they were so profitable….at least the new Indian is making a real quality product….and you won’t ever have to worry about finding your Indian in the parking lot…it’ll be the one with the crowd around it.

  30. 30 Lyle Nov 9th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Justafan,
    Indian was not the first American motorcycle company. And Harley didn’t copy any of their designs to my knowledge. Everything about them were different. Indians were good bikes in their day with features that HD didn’t have (and vice versa) but neither company copied each other to any large extent.

  31. 31 Indian Rider Nov 9th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Um.. yeah.. aren’t 83% of Harley parts now made in Osaka Japan?

    hmmmm.. REAL AMERICAN. Assembled maybe.. but parts? Thank The former president for makin “Harleys worth 43 % less”..

    Look it up on http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com

  32. 32 Todd8080 Nov 9th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Pop wrote:

    “The teardrop nacelle sadly though is not Doss”

    A picture is worth a thousand words:

    http://westcoastdist.com/store/Index.htm?cat34.htm

    Pop also wrote:

    “Tank emblem says Indian. Title says Indian. We got a saying at Foxwoods, read ‘em and weep.”

    Stolen name, stolen logo, stolen design, foreign owned. It’s not me who should be weeping.

    If someone pays good money for a stolen car, that doesn’t make it any less stolen. It makes them an accessory.

  33. 33 Todd8080 Nov 9th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Justafan, you may be just a fan of Indians, but you’re no historian. And your beloved fake “Indian” has plenty of Asian parts, too. Do you think they make their own forks, starters, lighting, etc. in-house?

    By the way, that crowd you say gathers around your “Indian” is probably taking pictures of the Liberace saddle to amuse friends. Regardless of the other origins of this bike, that saddle is one item that’s definitely original.

  34. 34 Micah McCloskey Nov 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    GOD ALREADY BLESSED THE OLD INDIANS. MAYBE HE WILL BLESS THE NEW ONES TOO.
    I LOVE AMERICAN MOTORCYCLES & WISH THE NEW COMPANY THE BEST

  35. 35 Indian Rider... Nov 10th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Funny that “TODD” didn’t even acknowledge that his harley is more Japanese than American.

  36. 36 Todd8080 Nov 10th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Indian Rider:

    “Funny that “TODD” didn’t even acknowledge that his harley is more Japanese than American.”

    I would if it was.

    Let’s see, on my Harley the frame, motor, transmission, gas tanks, front & rear fenders, oil tank, carburetor, air cleaner, complete exhaust, clutch, compensator, primary chain, inner & outer primary covers, drive belt & pulleys, saddlebags, crash bars, wheels, tires, axles, rear suspension, brake discs, calipers & pads, dash, handlebars, grips, hand controls, saddle, footboards, rear brake lever, shift levers & linkage, kickstand, all cables & brake lines, windshield, lower wind deflectors, headlight nacelle, headlight & passing lamps, turn signals, taillight, starter, battery, ignition & coils, plug wires & spark plugs were all made in the USA.

    I’d say that comprises the majority of the bike, wouldn’t you?

  37. 37 Axel Nov 10th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    What do you think all those factories in Wisconsin, Kansas and Pennsylvania are doing? You’d have to be a complete idiot to believe that Harleys are more Japanese than American.
    Or to believe that any of the “Indian” motorcycles since 1953, have any relationship whatsoever to the original company. Or to believe that Harley ever copied Indian.
    In fact, Indian never switched over to OHV engines, even though Harley came out with their knucklehead OHV in 1936! Indian would have been far better off to copy Harley!
    And yes, the “proprietary” engine the current Indians use is indeed based on Harley’s Evolution engine.

  38. 38 Indian Rider... Nov 11th, 2009 at 12:06 am

    Are you guys serioulsy THAT retarded?

  39. 39 Todd8080 Nov 11th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    That’s your logical response, Indian Rider? Apparently since none of your arguments hold water, all you have left in your arsenal is namecalling.

    If you want to believe the new “Indian” motorcycle is an original design built by a 108-year-old American company, you have every right. But if you hope to convince others to share in your lunacy, it will require more than emotional outbursts; you’ll need to present some facts.

    I understand your frustration, Indian Rider. You just love those big, swoopy fenders and you desperately want all the “history” at the new “Indian” website to be true. And it’s difficult to admit you’ve been duped, especially after you’ve spent so much money on what you believed was a classic American motorcycle.

    Unfortunately, the time to research products is before you buy them, not after.

  40. 40 Indian Rider Nov 11th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Actually.. no, I didn’t SAY YOU WERE retarded.. I was asking if you WERE retarded. Meaning, are you really THAT stupid (once again a question) in believing that your Harley parts on your bike are not made in Japan? You actually think they are made in the U.S.???? If your answer is “YES”, then YES I am calling you a retard. But if you’re NOT RETARDED enough to do some research, go to your dealer, and ask him where the parts are made. Then come back and talk your RETARDED smack. Harley’s are assembled MAINLY in the U.S… parts are MAINLY made in Japan. So consider that you’re driving around on a JAP bike for a second.. and then come back and talk to me about what you “THINK” you know you’re talking about.

  41. 41 Lyle Nov 11th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Indian Rider, I’ve had many Harleys apart to the bare bones. I’ve seen German bearings, Canadian ignition systems, Austrailian wheels, Japanese suspension, and even some weirder stuff. But I also know the frames, engine and transmission castings, and all major components are made in the USA. So I would have to disagree with you. What this has to do with Indian, I really don’t know. Except perhaps when Indian started out in 1901 they copied another prior American manufacturer’s engine and then the French DeDion engine before they came up with their own design. Or, perhaps its the entirely Taiwan Mopeds that were sold and titled as Indian back in the 70’s. I’m not sure what your point is. All I know is that I hope the new Indian company does well and eventually will start manufacturing engines and drive trains based on their own design. After all, they did it once before over 100 years ago. If they can sell this first batch of bikes they will be off to a good start. Personally I don’t care what any bike’s origin is, I lust love motorcycles!

  42. 42 Todd8080 Nov 11th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    You claimed my Harley is “more Japanese than American”. The parts on my Harley that I named are indeed made in the USA. I can’t speak for other people’s Harleys, only my own.

    But unless someone has modified their stock Harley by replacing American-made parts with Japanese parts, then their Harley is also overwhelmingly made of American parts. By a very, very wide margin.

    You seem determined to turn this discussion into a “Harley versus Indian” battle, I’m assuming to take the focus off of your lack of knowledge concerning Springfield Indians versus fake Indians.

    But since we’re talking about where things are made, if you click on the last line of this page…

    http://www.indianmotorcycle.com/AboutIndian/CompanyFAQ/tabid/105/Default.aspx

    …you’ll see this sentence:

    “We are proud that all Indian Motorcycles and PowerPlus engines are assembled right here in the USA, in Kings Mountain, NC.”

    There’s a big difference between “made” and “assembled”.

  43. 43 Indian Rider... Nov 11th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    Todd.. you have answered my question.. and you have proved me right.. I’ll give you permission to say the last word if it makes you feel better.. Go ahead, the board is yours. =o)

  44. 44 Todd8080 Nov 14th, 2009 at 1:00 am

    Proved you right about what? You haven’t been right about anything on this thread.

    Ask yourself this, Indian Rider: What would your impression of someone be if they called themself “Harley Rider”?

    And if that’s not bad enough, ask yourself what your impression would be if you discovered they actually rode a Honda Shadow, yet knew little or nothing about either brand.

    That should give you some idea of how you come across.

  45. 45 Indian Rider... Nov 15th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    I proved that you don’t know what the heck your’e talking about. and mainly.. that your’e a ding dong.

  46. 46 Todd8080 Nov 15th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Jeez, even your namecalling is lame.

  47. 47 John White Nov 24th, 2009 at 1:17 am

    Anyone that owns an Indian, past or present, had to be proud to see the ABC story. It was a very positive event.

    The Gilroy designed Indian Chief which is now made by Indian King’s Mountain may have some Harley features but the wheel base is much longer. The monoshock technology cannot be found on the Harley and the fuel injection is on the left side. The new dash has a throw back look older Indian fans can appreciate plus new features younger riders expect. The bike suffers from the first-year bugs but they will get those solved soon enough.

    The new 105 engine, cast from molds developed by Gilroy has S&S insides that seem to hold together well……….at least for the 8900 miles we put on our 09 Roadmaster.

    The teardrop headlight is clearly Rick Doss. Rick owns the design patent. He invented it. He owns the patent and he owns the rights to it. United States Patent D423,126 (issued 2000, expires 2014)

    Speaking of the teardrop, I think it has become as much a part of Indian as the skirted fenders. What do you think? You see that teardrop and you know it is not a Harley-boring-everybody-has-one-and-they-all-look-the-same-bike. Get closer and you see art. Even the early 1999-2001 Gilroy so-called Harley clones with the S&S engines and soft tail suspensions out class the Harleys in appearance. Hats off to Ray Sotelo.

    You can take the best Harley has to offer………..all the bells and whistles and place it on the sidewalk next to a new Stellican Indian and the contest is over. The Stellican bike is longer, has a better suspension system, has killer looks, and gets the looks. That is what has those Harley riders so upset.

    I hope KM can keep it going in this very difficult market. The price is high but the manufacturing costs are also high. That KM factory is for assembly only. There are not many parts on that bike that KM can claim a manufacturing profit on. That will change as they grow. The price has dropped ten thousand dollars in less than a year. They are selling bikes. They have assembled 500. Even that seems to scare the shit out of Harley owners. Indian was before Harley and you cannot dispute that.

    Indian is catching up fast………..not because they are producing thousands of bikes………….but because Harley is in a down fall. The gap is closing. Look out for the tiny little KM lean and mean. They are growning while the rest are shrinking.

    Good job to Indian for getting a plug from ABC. Keep up the good work!

    John L. White
    CEO Crazy Horse Motorcycles LLC

  48. 48 John White Nov 24th, 2009 at 1:30 am

    Followup: Custom Chrome gave the assignment back to Rick. (Teardrop Headlight)

  49. 49 Ed13 May 31st, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Wow, what a conversation! I do own one of those Gilroy bikes, and I like it alot. Much has been said about the Old vs New Indian. Truth is, if they didn’t start making new Indians there wouldn’t be any around for the rest of us. harley has changed since the old days, are they not true harleys ’cause the engine and transmission are no longer seperate? I do have to disagree when Indian is called the clone of harley. If I am not mistaken, didn’t the first american bike to have a V twin engine, Indian? All other parts aside, the engine is the heart and soul of any bike. Harley may have improved on the design,however! As for the teardrop headlight, it has become part of Indian, like the deep fenders. I have never seen a harley with that headllight design. It does sadden me that my bike came with an S&S engine, but I couldn’t wait for the PP100 to grow up. Since copy is a subject, one should look back to around 1964 at harley’s Special K model and take note, the Carb. is on the Indian Left, I have seen the proof up close and personal, My bro has one. Even old harley riders I know talk trash about the new harley bikes. I agree, the price is way out there for me. Otherwise I’d like to have a New Indian. It really doesn’t matter to me that parts are made else where, sure it would be sweet if even both Indian and harley were 100% made in the USA, truth is, not much is anymore. So I’ll leave you to your chest thumping about clones,copies, real bikes and bikers. The one truth is this, Anyone can have a harley!
    And for the old Indian riders, sorry you can’t bless the new bikes, It’s all we younger riders have.
    I suppose it’s about being different. Ride easy!

  50. 50 Donny Nov 22nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    The trinity of of motorcycles Harley,Indian ,Triumph ,but can Victory be added ?….I have bin wondering ?…… Witch ever brand you pick out of these amazing machines i mentioned a sport bike is only half a motorcycle ,so if you like women buy a cruiser . If you ride a German,Italian ,Japanese motorcycle you are a looser-cyclist (AKA) Scrub Squid or Rub .( PS) I em tired of these Squid , Scrub, rub riders . A squid rides a sport bike style and a rub rides with Harley,Indian,Triumph,Victory riders to ketch there cool . and a scrub is the two things i mentioned all in one . Those people i just mentioned have a big mouth and talk tons about little details about there crap machines that are worth two dollars in two years . They also have a slight hint of a cabbage smell to them .

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