Breaking News. Indian Motorcycle Just Unveiled The Thunder Stroke 111 To Power The 2014 New Indian Line Up.

1-Thunder-Stroke-111--right-side-12Thunder-Stroke-111A much larger crowd than usual on Daytona Main Street. All bikers gathering in & around the Dirty Harry’s bar for the very exciting unveiling of the new Indian Motorcycle engine to power the upcoming line up. And I must say, for me, my fellow media members and the public present at this event a terrific surprise. I must say that the Indian team succeeds way beyond my expectations in honoring the past to power the future. The all-new 111-Cubic Inch V-Twin Power Plant Unifies Iconic Past and Advanced Engineering and is another critical milestone in the company’s drive towards a full launch later this year.

0Thunder-Stroke-111It is quite remarkable that this Thunder Stroke 111 is born less than 2 years (April 2011) after the acquisition of Indian Motorcycle by Polaris Industries. It demonstrates the unprecedented commitment of time, resources and passion that Polaris has put into the design this the all-new power plant. The goal was to capture the iconic design and styling aspects of the 112-year old brand’s most historic models and fuse that heritage with state-of-the-art technology and progressive design elements. The new design reflects an unparalleled investment into researching the complete history of Indian Motorcycle power train development, including the review of volumes of historical documentation, miles of riding vintage motorcycles, and studying and dissecting a broad array of legendary Indian Motorcycle models.

3-inner_moving_parts4-inner_moving_partsThe Thunder Stroke 111 engine features 111 cubic inch displacement and delivers the raw power and iconic styling that have long been hallmarks of the legendary Indian Motorcycle brand. Delivering more than 115 ft-lbs of torque, the 49-degree V-Twin engine imarks the first clean-sheet Indian Motorcycle engine design in seven decades. With parallel pushrod tubes, finned heads, down firing exhausts, left side air intake, and the proportions and layout familiar to Indian Motorcycle fans around the world. The 1948 Indian Chief was an inspiration for designers. Industrial Design clay model turns drawings into 3-D. and Computer Aided Drafting and stress analysis was extensively used before production testing starts.

4--Engine-Cutaway-Detail-1The new Thunder Stroke 111 engine has been extensively tested, refined and proven by one of the industry’s most rigorous development and testing programs, accumulating over one million miles of testing, including state-of-the-art dyno testing, and hundreds of thousands of miles of on-road testing. The all-new Thunder Stroke 111 is built in Osceola, Wisconsin at the Polaris Industries Engine Assembly Plant, with future full unit motorcycle assembly taking place in Polaris’ state-of-the-art production facility in Spirit Lake, Iowa.

Engine displacement: 111 cubic inches
Torque: More than 115 ft./lb.
Architecture: 49-degree V-twin, air-cooled with integrated oil cooler, left-side air intake, down firing exhaust system, parallel pushrod tubes.
Crankcase: Unit design featuring a high capacity semi-dry-sump oil system,
oversized oil radiator
Timing system: 3 camshafts, pushrods, 2 valves per cylinder acting through maintenance free hydraulic valve lifters, forged crankshaft
Fuel system: Electronic sequential port fuel injection, electronic throttle control
Compression ratio: 9.5
Transmission: 6-speed overdrive, constant mesh, helical gearbox
Clutch: Low-effort, multi-plate wet clutch, aluminum basket, integral torsional damper.



118 Responses to “Breaking News. Indian Motorcycle Just Unveiled The Thunder Stroke 111 To Power The 2014 New Indian Line Up.”

  1. 1 abqhudson Mar 9th, 2013 at 9:37 pm


  2. 2 roscoe Mar 9th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    Damn that looks great!!!
    It has good numbers also.
    Looks short too.
    Victory did good on this one, wheres the haters now?

  3. 3 vin Mar 9th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    fantastic as expected if its priced 15k or under ill buy one! watch your @$$ harley better yet watch ours ha!

  4. 4 vin Mar 9th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    fantastic as expected! if its priced 12 k or under ill buy it when it comes out watch ur butt harley, better yet watch ours!

  5. 5 Brett Mar 9th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    1st it isn’t Victoy. Its Polaris. Indian and Victory have nothing to do with each other.
    2nd it looks like the S&S X Wedge mated with the VRod Revolution. Polaris will needctp do a much better job of customer service and have parts ready for Indian before I jump on a new one. Plenty of horror stories with their service since buying Indian. Problems with the Kings Mountain design but they took it on & warranteed the bikes but don’t back it up. Now there are plenty of people with $30k paper weights

  6. 6 vin Mar 9th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    fantastic as expected if its priced 12k or under ill buy it when it comes out

  7. 7 Bob Mckay Mar 9th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Beautiful Engine, New Tech with an Old Look, I’d say they got it just right !!!!

  8. 8 roscoe Mar 9th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Sour grapes brett?

    Didn’t take for the haters.

  9. 9 Seymour Mar 9th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Not many people could honestly say that they don’t like that. Reminds me of the old Eller design..

  10. 10 Bago Mar 9th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Now you know why I sold my 2009 30K paperweight. At BEST, it is now worth 20K. When these new Indian bikes hit the streets this fall, the value of the PP105 bikes are going to nosedive. The Gilroy PP100 and SS bikes,……Lets just call those an entry level priced Indian.

    Now if Indian can make it through the first 2 years without a bunch of warranty claims, then they will truly have something to be proud of. Time will tell. Good job so far though for the MN/WI crew.

  11. 11 Trail Boss Mar 9th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Quite impressive!!! I’m truly anxious to see how it looks in the new Indian frame.

  12. 12 Dave Blevins Mar 9th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Looks great. It seems things are going to be interesting… I really dig it.

  13. 13 fxrocket Mar 9th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    I like it …will fit with the retro cool … just curious about sound… can’t wait for the rest of the motorcycle…..really exceptional marketing…

  14. 14 Krooner33 Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    That bottom end looks VERY Victory to me. The top end reminds me a lot of the late 40’s chiefs and scouts, especially the faux fins on the valve covers. I’m not a big fan, but still curious to see what the finished bike looks like.

  15. 15 Woody Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Not sure why the down-firing exhaust and I’d like to se a HP number. Pretty though, can’t wait to see the whole bike. I’m still bummed it won’t be an inline 4 so I’ll admit it’s hard to be unbiased.

  16. 16 Dale Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    This thing is a masterpiece.

  17. 17 Alcohtraz Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Indian cosmetically redesigned an S&S x-wedge motor and mated it with a Victory drive train.

    If any one believes differently look at an X-Wedge and call me a lier..

  18. 18 LenNY Sinnet Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    Impressive look and design anxious to see the completed motorcycle. looks like they have a winner..

  19. 19 Matt Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    Love it, can’t wait for the rest of the bike!

  20. 20 Bigalyts Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Wow, It looks really, really retro. It looks like a good bit of Flair. it’s very unusual looking, I can’t wait to see the after Market Bling made for these Engines. Kuryakin “Need Not To Apply”! You know I am so glad they didn’t surprise us with a Radiator! Wheeew, thank god!

  21. 21 Bigalyts Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    What do you think, Cyril any reports oh HP?

  22. 22 John Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    I love it. it is exactly what I pictured I would design, the finned valve covers etc. Nice and compact looking and a forged one piece crank, perfect.

  23. 23 Brent Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    In love with the beast. Congrats Polaris.

  24. 24 Sheridan Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Looks fantastic and much better than I was expecting, so well done to Indian and Polaris. That’s a very tight, clean looking package and the level of retro is real cool without being too over the top.

  25. 25 Fritz Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    Regardless of the engineering heritage thats a beautiful motor! Wow! So sweet!

    Sure hope the dealer network can keep up to the demand.

    If this is what the motor looks like what does the bike look like??????

  26. 26 Sean Fitzpatrick Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    Cyril, please,please, please, show us at least a drawing of what the bike is going to look like.

  27. 27 Joe Reyner Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Very nicely surprised. If the bike is as good, I buy one and leave Harley for good.

  28. 28 domino Mar 10th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    Yes, it seems to be very X-wedge like… Looks bitchin… Put it with a cool bike and these guys might make some $$$…

  29. 29 nicker Mar 10th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    A drop-dead gorgeous motor, no doubt about it.!!!
    Brings back that monster flatty look.
    Way cool.


  30. 30 Mad Dog Mar 10th, 2013 at 12:19 am




    Fooking Beautiful

  31. 31 BC Mar 10th, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Great looking engine, hope they produce an equally great looking bike! Might have to try one, have not been without a Harley for the past 42 years, but it would not be too hard for Indian to build a better bike, Victory did. Have an ’08 Dyna, closest thing Harley now makes to the great FXR, but the 6 speed gearbox is junk.

  32. 32 USAYGO Mar 10th, 2013 at 12:37 am

    I’m liking this part of the puzzle, let’s see how the rest of it fits together.

  33. 33 SIGFREED Mar 10th, 2013 at 4:52 am

    Many have and have had lots to say about the classic 45deg V-Twin with her ‘like a virgin crossed legs’ pushrod tubes and rightfully so – it is as advanced a piece of engineering as Noah’s Ark is.., BUUUUUT..,

    Those who have deviated from it have never come close emulating its popularity, an inconvenient verity perhaps, a clinical fact nonetheless.

    The X-Wedge influence cannot be “pretended” away, but to me the X-Wedge has always looked like some sort of a ‘vintage Indian’ (more so when Kiwi Indian fitted it to one of their models) – it is however not a bad thing, on the contrary – if you want to advance (no pun intended) in the “American style’ V-Twin market (vs eg the Italian 90deg transversely mounted V-Twin – the ultimate performance only piston/cylinder layout/configuration), then you will have to have a layout around 50deg and have (at least) parallel pushrods (if you are going to have them) – among all the “haves” that is… BUUUUUT..,

    The market has been VERY slow to warm to the S&S X-Wedge, despite its undeniable performance advantage (eg the Confedrate X132 claims it could launch you to around 200mph on a naked bike – yeee haaa, oops that slipped out, apart from prodigious torque figures, from near zero rpm), it has largely been relegated to almost exclusively serve odd V-Twin ‘streetfighter’ kinds (eg the Confederate ‘cake-decoration’ styling incongruities where you can hide almost any oddity and it will not look out of place).

    At this point I can think of one or two questions (pretending to be a journalist of that sort) – eg:

    – What will the bike look like that will “match” this engine? Eg will it be ‘retro (pun intended) fitted’ to the current Indian models? If so..,

    — Was the ‘look’ intentionally designed to match the current Indian models?

    — Will current Indian owners be able to do such a retrofit (to attempt to rescue some value/return on their investment – if not to share in the pending “Indian Stampede”).

    – Will the engine be available as a crate engine? Note: this will allow the Indian to capture a far larger market and piggy-back on other people’s efforts (a tactic that has solidified the “Harley” 45deg V-Twin) and perhaps (dare I say) selectively ‘steal’/borrow the styling ideas of other builders.

    – May I risk a flood of negative sentiments and ask if the ‘NEW’ Indian engine may just look a bit too old..? Note: while I see this taking a rigid bobber to a whole new level, how will it look in smooth black in a sleek German style (Hardcore) dragster..? If this “new” then starts off as being “old”, does it not handicap its aesthetic versatility, an attribute that has served the 45deg stalwart well..?

    All said and done (well sort of) – WELL DONE TO POLARIS..!!

    The thing is a reality now, a living breathing monster and as aptly noted, not many can lay claim to doing all of this, from a clean sheet, in less than two years – in fact, one can only say WOW..!!

    Even with vast resources at hand, accolades should also go to the Polaris Engineering team and very much to the Engineering management (the often forgotten ‘real’ hero’s).

    Good luck..!!

  34. 34 Rodent Mar 10th, 2013 at 5:00 am

    Just show the whole bike.

  35. 35 terp Mar 10th, 2013 at 5:41 am

    Very nice, can’t wait to see the whole motorcycle.Good job guys. It would look great in my garage next to my 1947 Chief.

  36. 36 LittleChief3 Mar 10th, 2013 at 7:04 am

    Watch out Harley…

  37. 37 BobS Mar 10th, 2013 at 7:04 am

    Looking at the picture of the crowd gathered to see the unveil, I’d have to admit the Indian marketing strategy is working very well. Even if I find it frustrating.

  38. 38 baggerdude Mar 10th, 2013 at 7:28 am

    Lots of moving parts ! Hope they all get along. Nice looking motor , I hope Indian pulls it off and gets a market share!

  39. 39 V-man Mar 10th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    I have a name for the engine: MUSHROOM….

  40. 40 Iron Horse Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Very cool looking motor and with the torque figures quoted, should move anything it’s in down the road nicely.

    SIGFREED brings up some excellent points, as to it looking maybe a bit too vintage as well as if it will be available as a crate engine.

    With the current trend in the autromotive industry towards the “Retro” look, ie. Mustang, Challenger, Camaro and even the Mini Cooper, my guess is that with the way the Thunderstroke is designed, that the bike will have that old timey look while being totally modern.

    Hope the rest of the bike lives up to what they’ve brought to the table so far.

    Hey Indian…this motor would look killer in a Scout Bobber!

  41. 41 steve-o Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    I want one of those for a project bike….. wow!

    Bring that styling to Victory and they can put a big hole in Harley sales

  42. 42 John Fitzgerald Mar 10th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    I saw the Indian display at the International Motorcycle Show in Minneapolis in February – they had some interesting old Indians, but I scolded them for not having an original 101 Scout. They replied that it was hard enough just getting the few historic bikes that they were showing.

    I understand that it’s disappointing when Polaris comes out with an engine that isn’t a whole lot more sophisticated than a 65 year old 74, but look at GM’s LS series of V8. When you combine electronic ignition and fuel injection with a push rod V-twin, you can still compete very handily with the OHC foreign bikes.

    I wish Indian all the best, and one of the biggest reasons I have for doing so is that Victory (and now Indian) bikes are built here, and the profits stay in the United States creating more manufacturing jobs. I’ve heard nothing but complaints from Harley peeps about the quality of foreign made Harley branded parts, and I know that Honda claims that their bikes have more American content than Harleys do.

    While that may be true, their profits still go back to Japan; they don’t stay in Ohio.

    I’d love to see Indian or Victory start to compete in the Sportster end of the market, although I imagine that the profits per bike are lower. Harley still makes more Sportsters than anything else, and I’d just hate to see foreign bikes get an even larger share of that market, so I’m hoping we see some new Scouts soon.

  43. 43 calif phil Mar 10th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    I think it’s a work of art. The forged crankshaft is another big plus. I hope they sell a bunch of them.

  44. 44 Matt W. Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    That’s one attractive mill.

  45. 45 BC Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Wondering….will final production version come with polished heads and barrels? Hope they don’t have too many “teething problems” which usually come with a new design.

  46. 46 Rodent Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Mushroom it is officially!

  47. 47 666 Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Most likely a very well made piece. That said not very Indian looking to me. Looks more Japanese designed than American. I am sure it is a engineering marvel but if you want a marvel buy a Ducati..
    The Gilroy power plus is far from a marvel but it is a Nice looking nostalgic design. I’ll pass on this one

  48. 48 motojefro Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Good job Indian. Just shed “the picker”.

  49. 49 666 Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Forgot something. That huge air box and dwarf primary cover below it does not make it….Very very kawasaki looking to me

  50. 50 Matt Olsen Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    I think it looks like an x wedge engine with kuryaken covers or xzotic faux covers on it. The proportions are off. with that being said It’s still exciting to have another manufacturer in the american bike business, I just wish that it would have an american looking engine.

  51. 51 GreenCatDude Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Alcohtraz- I call Liar. 🙂

    It is a 3 cam pushrod design which will of course have some similarity.

    Indian is: integral transmission, 49 degree V, Chain cams…. the X-Wedge is: No trans, 56 degree V, belt cams, The heads and valve covers are completely different and so is the cam chest.

    Both draw from older indian designs.

  52. 52 10377586 Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Why not do away with the cam timing chain and make it all gear drive? I’d like it even more if they did that.

  53. 53 Chacha Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    This is going to be a great motor and HD should be watching this closely.

    As far as the X-Wedge…yea it’s different on some levels, but S&S should feel validated on the copied aspects of the triple cam and straight up pushrods. Now on the belt driven cams — well maybe a good thing that Indian didn’t copy that!

    Well done Polaris!

  54. 54 Brett Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    @ Roscoe…nope, no sour grapes from me. I have a Gilroy Indian & an HD FXST. I just know people who own KM Indians & Victories & so far when there were issues, very little back up from Polaris to get the bikes back on the road.

    Don’t get me wrong. I like the looks of this motor & hope the bikes put around them look good as well. I f they do I may buy one in about 2016 when any gremlins have been worked out.

    However, after seeing the Gilroy & KM bikes die & after seeing how Polaris handles service, there is still alot of work to do before we can start hailing Poalris as some innovator & some NEW CHOICE IN AMERICAN MOTORCYCLES

  55. 55 Garry Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Well, I think it’s F- – – ing ugly. Looks like a mutant V-Rod motor. I can only imagine what the rest of the bike is going to look like. We’ll have to wait and see.

  56. 56 Bleeding Ears Mar 10th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Some financial advise for bikers:
    1. Never buy a cheap garden hose.
    2. Don’t buy any Harley stock at this time.
    3. Save your pennies for a new Indian.

  57. 57 Cantrell Mar 10th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Engine in a crate. Exchange money. Off to your shop. What else could you ask for.


  58. 58 Mike Greenwald Mar 10th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Fit this motor into a frame, with full suspension, that takes styling cues from the Victory concept bike called the CORE then MSRP it for $12000.00.

  59. 59 TodT Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    I think it’s a beautiful engine and I can’t wait to see it sitting inside it’s new home……

  60. 60 morpion Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    beautiful engine,, retro look

  61. 61 Curt! Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    The price of the finished product will determine success or failure.

  62. 62 Ed Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    I wonder if I could swap one into my 2001 Indian Spirit?

  63. 63 666 Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    I agree with Garry Short stubby cylinders with a shorter stubby little primary and then an air box the size of the one on my Chevy Suburban…FUGLY Jap looking motor. That said I am sure it will run like a raped ape if thats what you are looking for.

  64. 64 Doc Robinson Mar 10th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Sensational! Well done Polaris for staying true as far as possible to the true Indian heritage. You’ve probably finally stopped George Hendee and Oscar Hedstrom from spinning in their graves with the best re-take on Indian Motocycles since 1953. RIP guys, the long nightmare is over.

  65. 65 Septic the Sceptic Mar 10th, 2013 at 5:06 pm


  66. 66 Martin Twofeather Mar 10th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Better than well done, it looks like a great start for the long run….

  67. 67 Rick Lossner Mar 10th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Beautiful and sure to take the legend to the next level. However , those with 12k to spend may want to go get an extra job …lol

  68. 68 Chaos Cycle Mar 10th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    not feeling it, looks very victory-ish

  69. 69 sollis Mar 10th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    the new Indian motor look awesome and no it doesn’t look like X wedge it looks like modern Flat Head with retro design treatment

  70. 70 Matt Mar 10th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    The air cleaner cover needs to go though, WAY too big. Rest of it is awesome.

  71. 71 G Mar 10th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Build them, sell them & go racing. The sport and the brand would benefit greatly as would all of us, let
    the game begin. Next a four ?

  72. 72 Jezza Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:58 am

    Congratulations to the engineering design team at Polaris Indian! There’s no denying the similarities to an X-Wedge, but let’s not forget that the X-Wedge is a brilliant engine, that just suffered from being released just as the world economy tanked and everyone stopped building $70,000 ground up customs!

    For those of you bitching about the design proportions, you should probably wait until you see the engine in a frame with tins. Any design feature is meant to work in harmony with the other elements of the bike, so looking at it on it’s own and criticizing is probably premature. It will probably look stunning when it’s got a complete bike wrapped around it. The finned valve cover is a really nice retro feature too.

    Finally I love the cheeky one-upping of Harley by releasing an engine 1 cubic inch larger than the Harley CVO engines. That’s fighting talk where I come from!

  73. 73 GuitarSlinger Mar 11th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    All bets are ….. like its Victory counterparts … the entire Indian ad campaign to date .. as well as Polaris/Victory’s overall motus operundi …. it’ll be All Show & No Go .

    Harley can relax . When its all said and done Indian won’t even be a player and will be in the redundant pile once again before you know it 😉

    Jezza – Methinks you’re mistaking ‘ Design ‘ for engineering ….. the extra inch being a moot point .Like the title of the song says ” Its Not the Meat … Its the Motion “

  74. 74 rebel Mar 11th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    kinda X-wedgy in a good way, nice and compact looking for custom applications, Harley could have a contest to makeover their v-rod engines appearance (good engine, metric looking)

  75. 75 Mike Mar 11th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    I like it very much.
    This team understands DNA + Culure..

  76. 76 Steelchoppin Mar 11th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    I would like my “Crow” with a side of mash potatoes (loaded)…that engine is fantastic looking. I am on board…please do not use plastic fenders.

  77. 77 A 1 CYCLES INC. Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    plastic tensioner on the cam drive chain? looks like a fixed tensioner so its just a wear pad..but i love the gear to gear primary! way cool engine. would love one for a bobber.

  78. 78 Blue Strada Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    A large congratulations to the Indian Team at Polaris… If the look and feel of this new engine is any indication of the new bike… they are off and running. Getting +115 ft/lbs of torque out of such a compact engine/trans pkg. is rather amazing… Great to see another pushrod V Twin that makes almost double the power than their neighbors over in WI. Motus being the other one…
    Assuming the exhaust note was muffled to meet current noise regs, it explains the somewhat funky sound the 49 deg. twin makes at idle.. But who cares when yoiu can roll on the gas and get theat kind of power…. from a stock engine no less! Kudos to Polaris… raising the b ar on Made in America.

    Blue Strada

  79. 79 JohnJ. TEXAS Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Geez… many people are drinking the kool-aid to soon… I’ll believe it when I see it. I’m waiting…

  80. 80 Lonnie Isam Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    It is starting to grow on me.
    I like it

  81. 81 Jeff Nicklus Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Absolutely a beautiful engine! Great mix of the traditional look associated with the Indian motor and 2013 technology! In my opinion this is a homerun for Polaris!

    AND, the Indian is Made in America …. not India!

    Over & Out,


  82. 82 alanrand Mar 11th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    How can this unit configuration not dictate a shorter wheel base motorcycle? I have 2001 Chief and my wife has a 2006 800 Drifter. The ’01 Chief is a long wheel base bike. The Drifter, also being unit construction is short. I like the Drifter, it’s a good bike and it looks good, but I’m 6’1” and I just can’t get, or stay comfortable on it for any length of time. I’ve also grown accustomed to the length, rake, and trail of my Chief. The last time I rode her bike I about dumped it turning a corner…too short for me. Also, the center of gravity on a unit bike is different than one with a primary, and the transmission and starter sitting under you hind end. My wife will be buying a Chief at some point, but she’s a little skeptical about the new ones after seeing the unit construction. We’ll see. Each machine has to stand on it’s own merits and the integrity of the company that builds it.

  83. 83 Drake Mar 11th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    For a reason only GuitarSlinger knows, he will always comment negatively about Indian whatever they do. So, his comments are worth zero.

  84. 84 CafeSportyTC Mar 11th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    im trying really hard to keep an open mind about this motor…. I like that they harkened back to the flathead look, but the rest of the motor says victory to me. the primary especially. i think im just gonna have to let it soak in and wait for the full bike

  85. 85 Gary Schlesinger Mar 11th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Bravo Polaris and the Indian team. I think I am a buyer. But let’s wait for the completed bike.

  86. 86 Hamilton Mar 11th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Hey, Cyril. Is Harley a little bit nervous? Competition is good…

  87. 87 B. D. Howard Mar 11th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    It looks fantastic! I pray that the rest of the bike looks as nice.

    I like that it’s air-cooled but comes with a huge oil cooler. Those who dislike the size of the airbox do not understand that this is what it takes to make power!

    I think that those who hope that for a price under $12K are dreaming – they just don’t understand the current costs of bringing something like this to market. I suspect that the price will be about 50% more than that.

    Those complaining that BRP hasn’t been supplying parts and service for the bikes made prior to their acquisition of the company should just suck it up. Luckily, their bikes have what are essentially Harley aftermarket engines so the parts are available elsewhere. Those who drove Studebakers or any other company that went bust did not have that option!

    I ride a Buell 1125R and we all know what Harley did to that company – but at least Erik B is still around so there is support there for parts. We also have to chuckle as we watch the continued success and growth of MV Augusta since Harley pissed away tens of millions on its acquisition before giving the company away. This is typical of the mismanagement and arrogance of H-D – what other motorcycle manufacturer would hire as CEO a guy who had never even owned a motorcycle? Hint: he was hired during a recession for his reputation of firing people to boost the bottom line for the short term, while at the same time BMW went back to the drawing board to develop new models like the excellent but weird looking S1000R and the newer six cylinder models. Now which of those venerable companies,(H-D or BMW) is better poised to succeed as we come out of the recession?

    I hope that eventually Indian will enter the sportbike fray and that EBR continues to grow – we need a competitive, reasonably priced American sportbike to compete with the Japanese and Italians. Most younger riders prefer sportbikes while the cruiser crowd grows increasingly gray.

  88. 88 Jesus Mar 11th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    The rivalry with Harley just got started again. Fun.

  89. 89 CafeSportyTC Mar 11th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    +1 bd howard

  90. 90 Toby Mar 11th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    I applaud Polaris for investing millions into this industry. We need as many big players as we can get. By all accounts they are taking the Indian heritage brand management quite seriously, and being very careful in how they proceed. This is an American company dumping a pile of cash into developing and manufacturing products that we all love. They deserve our support even if one is partial to the HD brand.

  91. 91 CafeSportyTC Mar 11th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    let me correct an earlier comment , the primary doesn’t look victory it looks almost identical to the Failed Excelsior Henderson Super X motor. from the Timing cover to the primary its almost the spitting image…..

  92. 92 Mis.behaves Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    hmmm.. I have to say I am interested.. Wheels are turning, I’ll wait to see what it looks like..

  93. 93 Vrodder Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Kudos to Polaris for not jumping in after buying Indian and pumping out bikes to recoup their money. They held back and did it the right way. Beautiful motor no doubt! Will hold my final judgement for the entire bike and the msrp. Needs to be in the low 20’s. $36k was insanely unjustified for the NC bikes.

    Why Harley didn’t buy the Indian name is beyond me. They bought MV Agusta and literally gave it away. Awful fit from day one! When the only name in motorcycles that can compete with them from a heritage standpoint comes up for sale (at a song even), they do nothing.

    No question Harley is a Goliath. Question is… is Indian a “David”? Don’t care whether you like it or not. Three American motorcycles choices is better than one!!

    Ride safe!

  94. 94 Micah McCloskey Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    What a great looking power plant. Old yet new. Can’t wait to see them on the road. Thank you Polaris.
    It’s about time the Indian was revived at this level of engineering and commitment.

  95. 95 OllyDownie Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    I opened the file and was amazed at the pictures, this is a great looking engine. Heritage styling, big numbers, great internals. I too initially thought it was a re styled Xwedge but soon realised this was a misconception. Polaris has hinted at a worldwide release of these new machines. The Victory dealer here in Melbourne Australia (they will also stock the new Indians) also hinted at great incentive bonuses for the first ten buyers of the new bike, so I went straight in and paid a deposit for one. After seeing this engine and sifting through the very positive comments here, I feel that my money has been well spent. Roll on Q4…..

  96. 96 BobS Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    I can see a little X Wedge with the three cam/ parallel pushrods and a little Victory with the unit construction but the real question is so what? IF I were an Indian guy this is what I’d want. Big shiny and powerful. Modern engineering but looks like Indian. Not an Evo clone and not a rebadged Victory. Honestly, could they have done any better? Besides an inline 4 anyway?

  97. 97 Blackmax Mar 11th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    “Holy Moley”
    I think it’s GREAT !!!!
    Yes, it does look like a S & S X-Wedge but it looks like an older Indian engine too.
    If it puts out what it says it does I think the folks in Milwaukee are due for another CVO engine “upgrade” which is what their stock engines should be anyway.
    As predicted, given the tenor of the comments so far, “Hater’s are gonna hate”
    But as for as I’m concerned, OUTSTANDING job, Polaris / Indian.
    (Still looking for that test ride when it all comes together !!!!!)

  98. 98 vtwin78 Mar 11th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Congrats Indian for a fabulous motor work. Bravo Cyril to be again and again the first to publish the very hot news.

  99. 99 chicagojohn Mar 12th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Beautiful job! Can’t wait to see the new frame.

  100. 100 chicagojohn Mar 12th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Wake up Harley! We don’t want your twin cam junk! I’ll stick to my EVO thanks. Love the gear drive on this new motor.

  101. 101 chicagojohn Mar 12th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Love the gear drive cams! Harley take note, we don’t want a twin cam!

  102. 102 chicagojohn Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Love the gear drive cams! HARLEY take note: We don’t want the twin cam! I’ll stick to my EVO thanks.

  103. 103 McGillicutty Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    If you only have one chance to make a first impression – – I admit I’m impressed. After years of being disappointed by HD whenever they launch a “new model’, this motor is the real deal. Indian has teased me enough so that I look forward to Cyril’s posts whenever he reveals the complete bike. BTW, nice scoop Cyril. (Can’t understand why Polaris hooked-up with the Wolfe picker-dude though. That guy just screams fake to me; not a good association IMHO).

  104. 104 randreb Mar 12th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    I LOVE IT!!!! i currently have a 2003 roadmaster and can’t wait for them to roll out the 2014 models so i can see what the finished product will look like. if it looks as good as i think it will i will have to go get me one!!! great job guys, i love the old school look!!!

  105. 105 barney fife Mar 12th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Beautiful motor. Congratulations to the Indian staff for retaining classic Americana styling and ethos. I’m definitely looking forward to the new bikes. As for the nay sayers I am at this moment putting my hand up to my forehead and making that “L” sign at you……

  106. 106 barney fife Mar 12th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    PS. That motor video blew the doors out. Really great presentation.

  107. 107 BobS Mar 12th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    @ McGillicutty, if you were a fan of his show you’d know what a genuine Indian aficionado he is. No spoksperson will be all things to everybody but it’s hard to argue the authenticity of a guy with a popular show whose spent a couple decades hunting for those Indian “barn finds”. He’s a bit of an oddball, but he is popular and his love of all things Indian is real…At least they didn’t hire Danica Patrick and Paris Hilton to sex it up pretending they get aroused at the mere sight of some ad product.

  108. 108 mad matt Mar 13th, 2013 at 4:51 am

    Certainly good looking. Some really good comments too, but was this topic about the new Indian motor or blah-blah HD? If you aren’t a fan then leave it at that. All you loudmouth cheerleader types detract from the quality of Cyril’s site.


  109. 109 CHINGON CHOPPERS Mar 13th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Anybody know if this is direct injection like the cross country? Engine looks great but the air filter had to go.

  110. 110 nicker Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Bringing back the HD-vs-Indian rivalry would grab a bunch of attention.
    Great move for the industry…. “Leverage The Legacy”…. Win-win all the way around.

    IMHO any way…

  111. 111 uhl Mar 14th, 2013 at 7:27 am

    A feat of engineering to have kept the vintage feel to this motor and made it a performer as well. I tend to be more aesthetically bent than most, and the first thing I noticed was iconic native american shapes throughout. Arrowhead, hatchet etc….. subtle but apparent.

  112. 112 Lyle Mar 14th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    I know Polaris would do it good. I’m still trying to see where the similarities to the X-Wedge are? Indian used twin cams and parallel push rod tubes well before there ever was the S&S company. And Indian always had a smaller primary cover than Harley.

  113. 113 Fat Belly Bro Mar 15th, 2013 at 7:13 am

    The Harley Killer

  114. 114 Fat Belly Bro Mar 15th, 2013 at 7:15 am

    Best looking new motor out there

  115. 115 Tod Apr 12th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    The big question that you are all dodging, new rear plunger and sprung seat? I’ll have one.

  116. 116 Rod Jun 5th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    I used to own a Harley. I understand the “hook-line-and sinker” Harley owners give them. That being said…time to quit bashing every bike that shows the potential to give HD a run for their money. Old technology vs new, more efficient technology. Do the math and have an open mind. Welcome to Indian and Victory – both a breath of fresh air.

  117. 117 John Jun 11th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Yes they need to put this in a cheep bike to rebuild the brand. But for 12 or 14 grand your only going to get a motor. If they take the same motor make it a 600 cc size and put it on slim bobber. They maybe would have a 15,000 dollar bike that people would take a chance on.

  118. 118 Scott Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:31 am

    I’m hoping it’s as easy relatively inexpensive to get big (yet rideable) power gains like the Freedom 106– Hopefully Lloydz will start whipping up their magic…

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