Breaking News. Harley-Davidson Unveiled The All-New Harley-Davidson Milwaukee Eight Engine 107’ And 114”.

Harley-Davidson_Milwaukee-Eight_engineThe all-new Harley-Davidson® Milwaukee-Eight™ engine, ninth in the lineage of the company’s iconic Big Twin engines, delivers more power and an improved motorcycling experience for riders and passengers while retaining the iconic look, sound and feel of its predecessors.

An all-new design, the Milwaukee-Eight engine offers quicker throttle response, more passing power, purer sound, a smoother ride and more of the feeling riders want from a Harley-Davidson Touring motorcycle engine. 10% more torque. higher compression ratio. 50% more untake and exhaust flow.

“The guiding principle behind the Milwaukee-Eight engine was our voice of customer research from every region of the world,” said Scott Miller, Harley-Davidson Vice-President of Styling and Product Development Strategy. “Riders asked us to create a new engine designed to enhance their motorcycle touring experience in every way. Those same voices also demanded that we stay true to our legacy and respect the defining elements of a Harley-Davidson V-Twin. It was a big challenge, but one we’ve met. With the Milwaukee-Eight, a new era of Harley-Davidson power, performance and innovation has been forged.”

Harley-Davidson_2017_Touring_motorcycleNew Milwaukee-Eight engines will power every 2017 Harley-Davidson Touring and Trike motorcycle model. Milwaukee-Eight engines will be offered in two displacements and three variations: Milwaukee-Eight 107 (107 CID, 1750cc) featuring precision oil-cooled cylinder heads for the Street Glide®/Street Glide® Special, Road Glide®/Road Glide Special®, Electra Glide® Ultra Classic®, Road King® and Freewheeler® models. Twin-Cooled™ Milwaukee-Eight 107 (107 CID, 1750cc) featuring liquid-cooled cylinder heads for the Ultra Limited/Ultra Limited Low, Road Glide® Ultra and Tri Glide® Ultra models. Twin-Cooled Milwaukee-Eight 114 (114 CID,1870cc) featuring liquid-cooled cylinder heads for the CVO™ Limited and CVO™ Street Glide® models.

More Power.

Each Milwaukee-Eight engine produces 10 percent more torque than the engine it replaces in Touring models. In addition to increased displacement, the Milwaukee-Eight engine features a higher compression ratio and four-valve cylinder heads with 50 percent more intake and exhaust flow capacity. The valve train requires no adjustment as the design of the rocker arms enables valve lash to be set at the factory for life. Dual spark plugs for each cylinder contribute to more-efficient combustion. A single chain-driven camshaft is lighter, mechanically less complex and creates less friction and noise.

“The Milwaukee-Eight engine retains the classic Harley-Davidson 45-degree V-Twin design,” said Alex Bozmoski, Harley-Davidson Chief Powertrain Engineer, who led the development team. “It also retains the power characteristic that is the real legacy of the Harley-Davidson Big Twin: strong low-end torque with a broad, flat power curve through the mid-range that’s ideal for the Touring motorcycle rider.”

Quicker Acceleration The Milwaukee-Eight engine weighs the same as the engines it replaces, so all of its extra power contributes directly to improved acceleration performance.

• The Milwaukee-Eight 107 accelerates 11 percent quicker 0-60 mph, equal to a two to three bike length improvement, and 11 percent quicker from 60-80 mph in top gear, equal to a one to two bike length improvement, compared to the Twin Cam High Output 103.
• The Milwaukee-Eight 114 accelerates 8 percent quicker 0-60 and 12 percent quicker 60-80 than the Twin Cam 110™.

Heat Management. The Milwaukee-Eight engine offers improved rider and passenger thermal comfort due to reduced heat absorption, increased heat rejection and a redesigned exhaust system. Each Milwaukee-Eight engine features a precision cooling strategy based on the specific demands of the motorcycle model, using a targeted flow of either oil or liquid coolant around the hottest areas of the cylinder heads. A new knock sensor for each cylinder enables more-precise timing control. The rear exhaust pipe is re-positioned and the exhaust catalyst is relocated to move heat away from the passenger. Idle speed is lowered from 1,000 rpm to 850 rpm.

Improved Fit. A new, slimmer primary drive cover and the low-profile shape of the air cleaner cover provide improved rider legroom around the engine and an easier reach to the ground for many riders. All Milwaukee-Eight powered models are fitted with an Assist and Slip Clutch with improved hydraulic actuation that reduces clutch lever effort by 7 percent.

Reduced Vibration. The rubber-mounted Milwaukee-Eight engine features a single internal counter balancer that cancels 75 percent of primary vibration at idle for a more-refined feel and more-comfortable experience for rider and passengers while retaining the classic character of Harley® V-Twin engines.
Richer Exhaust Note. Lighter valves, a single camshaft, optimized cover designs and improved driveline components eliminate mechanical powertrain noise. The engine intake and air cleaner are designed to reduce intake sound while ensuring maximum air flow. As a result, the new Milwaukee-Eight engine is mechanically quieter, enabling a richer exhaust tone, and meets all global noise and emissions standards while allowing the unmistakable rumble of its exhaust note to resonate.

Improved Charging. The Milwaukee-Eight engine charging system delivers 50 percent more output to the battery at idle to better support the power demands of Touring riders, including accessory lighting, performance audio, and heated gear and other accessories.

New Engine Styling. The Milwaukee-Eight engine features sleek, modern styling that respects the heritage of previous Harley-Davidson Big Twin engines. “The Milwaukee-Eight engine is styled to project power,” said Brad Richards, Harley-Davidson Director of Styling. “I compare it to the back of a swimmer, lean in the waist but broad and muscular in the shoulders.” “The rocker covers look like skin stretched taut over muscle, like the rocker arms are about to burst out of the engine,” said Richards. “For the first time since the Knucklehead, the rocker covers reflect the action going on below. And they are massive. When you sit on the bike you can look down and see more of this engine.”

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64 Responses to “Breaking News. Harley-Davidson Unveiled The All-New Harley-Davidson Milwaukee Eight Engine 107’ And 114”.”


  1. 1 Reyn Mansson Aug 23rd, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    An 8-valve HD motor?

    Anyone want to start a pool on how many days after first delivered unit that the first recall comes in?

    33….

  2. 2 Boomer Aug 23rd, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    Did I miss the torque and horsepower numbers?

  3. 3 HellInABucket Aug 23rd, 2016 at 12:21 pm

    10% improvement in HP

  4. 4 Lyle Landstrom Aug 23rd, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    10% isn’t enough unless they lighten the bike. Hopefully they’ve taken care of the overheating issues.

  5. 5 MJ Motors Aug 23rd, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    It is just because the single cam is cheaper to produce than the twin cam engines. Otherwise 10% increase in torque and other benefits are not really worth the money invested in this new engine

  6. 6 Mark Aug 23rd, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    Handsome, which is important. Appears air-cooled, so how long before it’s obsoleted by emissions law, sound and exhaust? Even Porsche, and its staunch air-cooled engineers, gave it up about 15 years ago. I guess the tuners will let us know how they like this new starting point.

    MM

  7. 7 Zenaldo Aug 23rd, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    That fuel injection with twin plugs will keep the EPA happy for a few more years…but sooner or later they’ll sink their claws into Milwaukee..enjoy it while you can.. at least HD`s stock should bump up for a while..

  8. 8 ozzie21 Aug 23rd, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    Excellent comments….
    1. 10% isn’t enough unless they lighten the bike….. Agree. What used to be a 720 lb. bike is now a 900 lb. bike.
    2. Overheating issues….Serious concerns.
    3. Single cam is cheaper to produce than the twin cam engines…. Agree. For the past many years H-D has been focused on making bikes cheaper.

  9. 9 Dr, Rock Aug 23rd, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    Just watched the Live FB launch. Weakest presentation I’ve ever seen. No specs, no Bill Jr., just some people telling us about their careers. Save that and put somebody that can speak technically about what they changed and why. Oh, I forgot, they canned all those people years ago.

  10. 10 Superglidesport Aug 23rd, 2016 at 1:35 pm

    Cost was taken into consideration as usual. Included balance shaft, valves, related gear and twin plug ignition costs were offset by the single camshaft design.

  11. 11 Gort Aug 23rd, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    If it’s still a rubber-mounted paint shaker, they did a dis-service to the brand. There’s no reason in this day and age that you can’t produce a relatively balanced engine that doesn’t dance around in the frame. Polaris did it for the wonderful Indian 111 thunderstroke, and their victory line as well. Sorry H-D, just increasing displacement and putting a new head on your old-tired motor won’t cut it anymore.

  12. 12 boston jim Aug 23rd, 2016 at 1:40 pm

    Well finally, they close the lid on the casket of the worst motor they ever made! The 3rd motor that went 18 years! I want to see a virtual reality video of the workings of the New Motor? I’m puzzled, I see 4 push rods, & I read one cam, opens & closes 8 valves, & it’s not an overhead Cam??? I just might buy a Bunch of H-D stock? A Decade ago, H-D stock went down to $7.99 a share, we bought a lot of stock between $8. & $12. sat on it for awhile, sold it for $63. per share. It was $45. the other day, might be the right time to Buy. Cyril’s story sounds good, too Bad, we had No Sound from the motor! I wish H-D the BEST of LUCK!!! BJ

  13. 13 spaz Aug 23rd, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    Still gonna be slower than Victory and Indian. Still gonna be more money, too. Still gonna shake your fillings loose. Yawn.

  14. 14 James Aug 23rd, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    Why on earth would you offer two different new engines? Why not just put the 114 in all the models except the small sportster and streets,etc. Also, I wanted the 110 in a dyna but no, just raised the price reduced the paint schemes and no longer offer forward controls or a chrome engine on the HD 1 builder. I’m buying a used to victory highball. I’m done with Harley Davidson.

  15. 15 Evolution Aug 23rd, 2016 at 1:59 pm

    Seems to me they are playing it safe when they should be making aggressive changes to shake things up. Every engine iteration looks distinctive from the last. Knuckle to Pan, Pan to Shovel, etc.. This one looks just like Twin Cam re-hash or Twin Cam Version 2.0. They should have made a drastically different looking engine to signify that things are changing for the better. More of the same from the Motor Co.

  16. 16 James just another crazy kiwi Aug 23rd, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    Worst kept secret ever for the “Motor Company”
    I like the single cam bottom end . keep it simple and 4 valve heads will offer lots of opportunity to add more grunt. (are you reading this EPA)
    But I see HD always following the same pattern of introduction for anything new, only putting it in the old mans bikes and not the complete range is nuts. unless of course they are worried about faults.
    They need to change their marketing. They have competition now. Wake up HD !!!

    I was going to buy a Lowrider S until I heard about the new motor. So how many people out there will not buy that Dyna or softail but wait till the models they want get the new motor.
    Because the twinky was around for so long people will sit on their hands (wallets/purse) as they have already waited so long.

    If this is a really great Engine and you shag the introduction an opportunity will be missed !!!

  17. 17 Matt W. Aug 23rd, 2016 at 2:27 pm

    Evolution: I think they kinda did that with the Revolution engine. It’s a shame MoCo hasn’t done anything more with it though. I was hoping that they would eventually incorporate it into their touring line but I don’t think the traditionalists are ready for it yet.

  18. 18 Woody's Aug 23rd, 2016 at 2:40 pm

    “using a targeted flow of either oil or liquid coolant ” guessing this is why it’ll be on Tourers first. Gotta get that radiator integrated in a way it won’t look like an oversized Scout/Street with hard luggage. Looking forward to some long term reports down the road.

  19. 19 Woody's Aug 23rd, 2016 at 2:44 pm

    “using a targeted flow of either oil or liquid coolant ” guessing this is why it’ll be on Tourers first. Gotta get that radiator integrated in a way it won’t look like an oversized Scout/Street with hard luggage. Looking forward to some long term reports down the road. If the ones with the coolant & exchangers are accepted by loyalists maybe the system will spread to all Tourers and trickle down from there.

  20. 20 cp Aug 23rd, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    still ridin Pans, Shovels and EVO’s…..just got my first Twin Cam (02) a year ago…won’t affect me much!

  21. 21 Tony Davidson Aug 23rd, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    World Record for most recall

  22. 22 richards Aug 23rd, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    Sounds like another nice step up continuing the evolution into the future. Considering some of the remarks above, I get the feeling that a lot of the naysayers really don’t “get” Harley Davidson. I’ve ridden a lot of brands/models and Harley does it for me. If you prefer for another brand, no problem…buy one and enjoy. I’ll stick with my Road King until something else comes along that I can enjoy more.

  23. 23 Jimd Aug 23rd, 2016 at 3:01 pm

    Love the evo bottom end look, hate the rocker boxes. I hope the aftermarket comes up with something better to replace them. EMT(?) from France I hope designs something.😠

  24. 24 BobS Aug 23rd, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    10% more torque. Isn’t that about what you get with an aftermarket intake and slip ons from the old motor? I know it is with the competition. I was hoping for something special. Sorry Harley but this doesn’t impress.

  25. 25 Don S Aug 23rd, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    ugly colors and cheap foreign parts. Get ready for recalls out the a– !

  26. 26 Hillbilly Jim Aug 23rd, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    I’m still waiting for the V-Rod engine in a bagger.

  27. 27 SYF Aug 23rd, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    What is the bore and stroke?

  28. 28 BOSS HAWG Aug 23rd, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    Interesting. I’ll have to ride them when they are here at Biketorbefest.

    BOSS HAWG

  29. 29 1550tc Aug 23rd, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    Hopefully the guys like Jamie at Fuel Moto will have some real HP Tq numbers and all the aftermarket performance guys have products out soon to make these engines even better !!!

    Recalls you know their going to happen…….its been a great 16 years for the TC …..early 2001-05 are the best

    10% of F-all is F-all so wait and till we see some real numbers from dynos around the USA

  30. 30 Mrs. Behaves Aug 23rd, 2016 at 3:53 pm

    Bore & Stroke

    107 – 100mm x 4 3/8″
    114 – 102mm x 4 1/2″

  31. 31 Led Boots Aug 23rd, 2016 at 4:20 pm

    Nice looking piece. Hope it does well for them.

  32. 32 Zenaldo Aug 23rd, 2016 at 4:21 pm

    “Boston Jim”… 1 pushrod works 1 rocker arm that opens 2 valves via a 2 arm rocker…

  33. 33 morpion Aug 23rd, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    if you don,t like these new engines,,, go buy a victory,,indian or a jap copy,,,,,,,

  34. 34 Elk Tracks Aug 23rd, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    I was skeptical about any new changes, until I got a look.
    Harley’s website answers a lot of questions on what’s new.
    There are some really nice colors available this year.
    I personally like the look of the new engine; they did it right.
    Lots of technology, and still able to keep the tradition alive.
    More displacement, higher compression, high flow air cleaner,
    low maintenance valve-train, 4 valves, dual spark plugs,
    dual spray fuel injectors, oil cooled, high flow heads.
    New suspensions, front and rear, externally adjustable.
    Redesigned exhaust system for cooler rider comfort.
    New charging system, with 50% more at idle.
    Vibration dampener that worked so well they dial it back to 75%.
    Slimmer, more ergonomic primary cover. More powerful clutch.
    More power, better mileage, better fuel economy, whats not to like?

    I see a 2017, Hard Candy Hot Rod Red Flake, Road King in my future.
    I’ve been buying new Harley’s since the 1982 FXRS came out.
    . . . . . I see no reason to change . . . . .

  35. 35 Nitschke Aug 23rd, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    Most of these comments are mind bogglingly ignorant.

  36. 36 sharkey Aug 23rd, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    They are gonna sell lots of ’em; they’re Harleys; not just motorcycles…
    The cynic’s can squawk all they want; still the most recognized brand.
    The 6 speed and EFI came in the Dyna’s first; I assume these are going into the massive FLH chassis because of radiators. How about an FXDXT with a big bore V-Rod motor? Make more sense than trying to marry with the vintage design of the FLH and Heritage models; and those need a lot of torque to get rolling.

  37. 37 cafesportytc Aug 23rd, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    I think its gonna be a good motor. now if harley can make some advancements with lighter frames/forks and other goodies this thing will be a serious contender..looking forward to seeing what will come out of milwuakee

  38. 38 Kent Aug 23rd, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    This is a Japanese copy ” Can you say YAMAHA”!! CVO metric!

  39. 39 Highrider Aug 23rd, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    Nice progression of a classic motor

  40. 40 J Aug 23rd, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    Impressive- they finally designed a 1982 Yamaha Virago engine……

  41. 41 Pat h Aug 23rd, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    Most of you guys would bitch about a bj

  42. 42 Roberto Aug 23rd, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    850 rpm idle….if they sound like a shovel,they’ll sell all they can make.

  43. 43 Captain Kirk Aug 23rd, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    Will there be a change in any of the frames with the new motors?
    Are the motor mounts the same as the Twin Cams?
    Coil Mounts?

  44. 44 Roberto Aug 23rd, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    Won’t fit in older models……

  45. 45 Dawgg Aug 23rd, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    I was considering upgrading my ’13 FLTRU to a ’17 model to take advantage of all the upgrades they made since it was reintroduced in ’15, and especially the new motor. But it appears in their photos that the Motor Company still hasn’t gotten with the times to get rid of the ridiculous and obsolete helmet cable, in favor of the more modern bluetooth communication method betwixt the infotainment center and helmet speakers and microphone. I won’t buy another touring model until they do. I was also looking at the Fatboy S, but now I’ll have to wait another year for it to get the new motor. Instead of two new rides this year, it’ll be none!

  46. 46 1550tc Aug 23rd, 2016 at 9:20 pm

    Most of you guys would bitch about a bj…….no kidding its not hot enough

    here are some good pics of various parts of the engine

  47. 47 Super Tone Aug 23rd, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    I find all the comments amusing. I personally think the motor is awesome and all the changes even better! I can’t wait ride it. I love the ’15 I have now and wish I could get a ’17 Its gonna be a knock out!

  48. 48 Brum Aug 23rd, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    Geez, some of you blokes are never happy. It’s a new Harley Big Twin! They don’t come along too often.
    This one looks well designed and able to carry the brand well into the next decade.
    When the TC was launched in ‘ 98 nobody gave it much chance of success either…

  49. 49 Drive The Wheels Off Aug 23rd, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    @Pat h – comment of the year!

    @crazy kiwi – agree about a simple bottom end. It’s nice to see they kept the flat-side structure of the TC which is what the T-VO has.

    Nice job HD from what I can tell in this article. A square bore/stroke would be nice

  50. 50 Daniel Aug 23rd, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    They should have just put the VRod motor in the touring bike. More power, more reliable, runs cooler etc. Etc.

  51. 51 bobx Aug 24th, 2016 at 12:21 am

    “Most of these comments are mind bogglingly ignorant.”

    exactly.

  52. 52 pinhead Aug 24th, 2016 at 2:33 am

    WOW! it is impressive that people can have complaints about an American motor company releasing a new power train with more power and better fuel economy without raising the price.

    @Reyn Mansson- please name a manufacture that has not had a recall?

    @MJ Motors- what’s the factory cost on cams? Its not less moving parts equal more power?

    @Dr, Rock- please provide the link to your live technical presentation.

    @Superglidesport- what’s the factory coast on cams ? Obviously you know

    @Gort- that’s weird considering every editor that has ridden it says it’s the smoothest powertrai9n they have ever had.

    @spaz- so you have ridden one ? let alone raced it ?

    Okay I think that’s enough, if you really think you have a problem with it let me know, I would love to make you look like look like a tool .

    P.S HD master tech for well over a decade, but still think BMW makes the best bike on the market (also a BMW master tech)

  53. 53 Fang Aug 24th, 2016 at 5:23 am

    I’m excited. With Indian smoking Harleys all over the planet, Harley raises the bar. It’s a good move. We riders are the beneficiaries. I’m looking forward to a test ride. Sounds like Harley is back in the game. American ingenuity is alive and well.

  54. 54 JohnnySpeed Aug 24th, 2016 at 5:40 am

    They’re engineering out everything I like about big twin Harley engines.lol I like simplicity, mechanical noises, vibrations and air cooled engines.

  55. 55 Mdkuder Aug 24th, 2016 at 7:23 am

    It’s about freakin time they moved into the 20th century!

  56. 56 boston jim Aug 24th, 2016 at 7:34 am

    @pinhead- You can’t blame Bikers for being Skeptical, we’ve been lied to by the ; MOCO, everybody that works for the MOCO, Dealership owners, salespeople, parts managers, service managers, techs, etc., everybody, for 18 years! What makes this motor any different? How come, we are back to an EVO lower end? The NOISE passed the EPA? Did anybody ever see the EPA Papers, that said the EVO had to go? Or was it just a way to build a cheap motor fast, one that would be at the Stealership for something all the time? This motor should have come out after the EVO, in 1999? I read that this rubber mounted motor , also has a Balancer, in the motor, similar to the TCB? That tells me this motor is REALLY out of Balance? What are they going to do with the Solid Mount Softails? Only time will tell! The Indian Sturgis Demo Truck, came to my local Dealer, yesterday & today! I’ve ridden 2 Dozen Chiefs in past years, I want to ride the 100 HP, Scout! YES!!! BJ

  57. 57 SIGFREED Aug 24th, 2016 at 8:41 am

    Every dude and his dog has had a say, for what it is worth, I say:

    It is not one over a 107, but it is, 3 over a 111…

    How I luuuuuv competition – this is what is needed to make America great again!

  58. 58 Wayne Aug 24th, 2016 at 8:48 am

    Well there goes the value of my twin cams. Not sure if the aftermarket will focus on the M8 or try to rework some mods to bring M8 tech to the TC. The Rushmore line up killed the value of my 2011 CVO Ultra, now this new engine looks like it’ll take more off that one and then a whack at my 2015 RGS and 2007 Softail Custom. Will probably just hang on to them and mod the engines as I need. Still a big market for TC performance and once they’re worked on I have no real need to change. If I didn’t already have bikes, I’d buy one of these new beasts but next year so they get some bugs worked out.

  59. 59 boston jim Aug 24th, 2016 at 11:04 am

    Hey Wayne, your Twin Cams NEVER had any value! There’s 20 million+ of them out there, with a Bad Rep! Evos, Shovels, Pans, & Knucks, are all worth more, than when they were new? BJ

  60. 60 Blackmax Aug 24th, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    59 comments & counting !!
    Well, here’s one more :
    Agree with both Boston Jim & SIGFREED !
    Competition is a win for everybody, no matter what you choose to ride !
    this is not what i thought they were going to do, but, hey,
    the Mo-Co has made lots of $$$ & will continue to make more!
    i can see why the Touring line & CVO’s first, more bang for the buck.
    What is the best selling models for H-D? Duh, the Touring line
    with Street & Road Glides leading the pack .
    Personally, I think that short-shifts the rest of the line-up, but again, that’s just my opinion.
    Yes, there will be the inevitable recalls but that won’t stop a bunch of folks to line up to buy them.
    Especially since the tech is proprietary & will not transfer to a Twin Cam bike.
    Just like the Rushmore tech, if you want it, pony on up to the dealership
    & they’ll be more than happy to take your $$ or refinance that new bike.
    Me, I’m still in the market & will have to demo one,
    but I think I’m set on which direction I’m going to go ….

  61. 61 Woody's Aug 24th, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    59 (and counting) comments is probably a good thing, in particular, the amount of negative comments. While it’d be easy to just brush them off as haters or some other convenient label, IMHO it shows something big; A lot of the long-time loyal, “H-D or walk” folks are really getting fed up with the MOCO because they feel reliability has wandered off. They’re not as willing to pony up $30k~$40k for something that can’t run, stop and start as reliably as their kid’s $1000 used KIA. Perception of quality may not always be reality, but it can be enough to make folks buy elsewhere and that’s very real. Job 1 for H-D has GOT to be top quality, reliable bikes, regardless of HP. I’ve never bought a Harley expecting to be the fastest in it’s class, and I doubt that’s the top requirement for most folks.

  62. 62 boston jim Aug 25th, 2016 at 1:11 pm

    @Woody; Well said, Spot on! I own a 1986 1st year Evo Sportster, & a 1999 FXSTC, last Evo Big Twin! I will NEVER own a Twin Cam! But, this motor is really interesting? All the Old Flatheads, 45’s, 74’s, & the 80’s, had 4 cams, straight pushrods, etc. Why can’t they do that, & still have 4 valves per cyl., build a Big Sportster??? S&S has a Great motor in the 117″ Wedge, BUT, it doesn’t sell! Main reason, it doesn’t fit anything as a replacement & nobody makes a Frame ??

  63. 63 Lugnut Aug 29th, 2016 at 9:40 am

    Straight up air-cooled is gone. It’s the passing of an era. You might say oil coolers have been around awhile. You’d be right, but they were used to cool the oil and not be primarily functioned as a cooling system for the heads. So be it. All good things pass. In the words of Burt Munro, “Make do”.

  64. 64 JT Aug 29th, 2016 at 10:20 am

    Why not offer the 114 in the Breakout? Once customized the bike would work big time.

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