Want To Know How To Make Your Motorcycle Greener?

Environmental awareness grows every day. You want to help the earth, are open to the idea of a green motorcycle, but only if doesn’t break the bank. You believe in producing cleaner air but want to keep all the fun of riding. Today I received information from a company called Northside Choppers proposing a patent pending E85 digital converter called the “Hot Box” that will allow your motorcycle to use gasoline, ethanol or a mixture of both. The company states that the “Hot Box” works with most fuel injected V-Twin motorcycles. Simply plug into your existing wiring harness (no splicing wires, or soldering). The module can be removed anytime without damaging the wiring harness. This “Hot Box” is a fully automatic electronic management system that is controlled by information sent by E.C.U. North Side Choppers also states that the “Hot Box” helps gaining 15 to 20 % more HP, that your motorcycle will run at any altitude with a cooler engine because the ethanol burns cleaner. The price of E85 fuel is typically 20% less than regular gasoline. The module is user friendly with no adjustments needed because the computer automatically does them all. North Side Choppers. Or call 630-627-8550.


13 Responses to “Want To Know How To Make Your Motorcycle Greener?”

  1. 1 Fred Proctor Aug 28th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    ‘Been looking at this for some time now. Nice to know there are guys out there working on it. I just wanted all to be aware of the properties of E85 in street bikes and what one of my designers found needs to be avoided. WE run carbureted engines, so work continues!

    E85 Compatibility

    Zinc, brass, lead, and aluminum are sensitive to high-blend alcohol fuels, and fueling system components containing them should be avoided. Plated steel (referred to as “terne-plated,” a lead-tin alloy) and lead-based solder are not compatible with E85. Other materials that may degrade in the presence of high-blend alcohol fuels include natural rubber, cork, leather, polyurethane, polyvinyl chloride (PVC), polyamides, methyl-methacrylate plastics, and some types of thermo and thermoset plastics.

    To run E85 in a carbureted engine the jetting (fuel mixture) has to be 35 percent richer than it was for unleaded gasoline. This means a carbureted engine has to be dedicated to running E85.

    E85 has an octane rating of 100 – 105. This allows it to be used in higher compression engines which tend to produce more power per unit of displacement than their gasoline counterparts.

    There are a few major differences between FFVs and non-FFVs. One is the elimination of bare magnesium, aluminum, and rubber parts in the fuel system. Another is that fuel pumps must be capable of operating with electrically conductive ethanol instead of non-conducting dielectric gasoline fuel. Fuel injection control systems have a wider range of pulse widths to inject approximately 40% more fuel. Stainless steel fuel lines, sometimes lined with plastic, and stainless steel fuel tanks in place of terne fuel tanks are used. In some cases, FFVs use acid-neutralizing motor oil

  2. 2 burnout Aug 29th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Dr Proctor, that 35 percent richer means burning more fuel for the same amount of driving. it lessens the advantages of E85 in my opinion. Reg gas in my area is 10% ethanol but I am hearing of some as high as 20%. Gasoline is still the best combustible for cheap even though todays gas is CRAP compared to 15 yrs ago. I like the idea of alcohol because it burns so clean and grabs all available moisture from the air but tuning nitemares will ensue, not to mention the hardware requirements you list above. Building a fuel system to run ethanol is easier than trying to convert an existing system. My opinion…. I could be wrong peace

  3. 3 Fred Proctor Aug 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Hope Alabama is treating you well. I was just posting to make anyone aware of what we have investigated so far . SO MANY alternatives to think about.
    P.S., if this is really”burnout” Clue: any “spanking” lately? You can email me at my address anytime.

  4. 4 Nicker Aug 29th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Thanks for the info Fred.

    Heard a guy on the radio the other day, said he was tracking his fuel mileage on a cross country trip.

    He reported that once he left CA his gas mileage jumped up several MPG. And on his return, he found his MPG calculations dropped back.

    So, something appears to be in CA gas that doesn’t have the BTU rating of gas from other states.
    Since CA has a history of putting stupid stuff in our gas (like MTBE) do ya think this mileage anomaly was due to ethanol or some other additive?

    This gas thing is getting to be a paint in the ass on a number of different levels.
    I guess “reading plugs” doesn’t quite work the way it used to.
    While a “rich” condition still shows up as a sooty-black plug, getting that nice brown correct-mixture color doesn’t appear to be in the cards…. ???

    May be the only good thing that’ll come of E85 is if it’s anything like the “gasohol” we used to pump in CA, at least it’ll make hopped up Type-I air cooled VW motors run cooler….. 🙂


  5. 5 a 1 cycles Aug 30th, 2008 at 8:41 am

    there is no replacement for a dyno with a good gas anylizer to get you the almost perfect mixture of fuel and air..its just a very large piece of equipment to tow behind your bike when the fuel you buy changes on a cross coumtry trip (lol) fuel does really suck now! and reading plugs no longer works the same and the black soot on your exhuast tip is no longer an indicator of rich..i will say again a sooty tailpipe is not an indicator of richness!! i have proven it to my customers time and again its a byproduct of the new fuels after they are burnt. i have had bikes running 16:1 fuel ratio at some points on their map and the pipe looks sotty as hell. just a warning.

  6. 6 Nicker Aug 31st, 2008 at 1:44 am


    “…a good gas analyzer to get you the almost perfect mixture …”

    OK, i need one.

    Used to be able to read plugs. but times & technology change.

    So how much is one of these things gonna set me back… 🙁

    Could i get one to interface with my laptop… ???


  7. 7 cheesydoesit Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    “…it lessens the advantages of E85 in my opinion.”

    The advantages of E85 is to lessen this nations dependence on foreign oil…not making your bike run better.

  8. 8 Conrad Nicklus Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Carburated motors and no cats all the way. The environment will be here way after we are all dead and gone. Dont worry about that kind of crap. CARB and EPA is a bunch of crap. The way E85 burns is a bunch of crap and doesnt help much at all anyways. Its just a way to get the fish kissers and tree huggers to keep their crying down a little bit for a few years.

    All E85 is good for is to show the other countries we dont have to have all of their oil even though we do have our own here. But yet again we wont drill here because it may hinder foreign relatiokns. What a load of shit.

  9. 9 cheesydoesit Sep 3rd, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    ^ Is that not enough to use it Conrad?? I sure like the idea of showing them we don’t need them for oil. Why doesn’t someone come out with a V-Twin that runs on natural gas?

  10. 10 Nicker Sep 5th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    Why the Hell don’t we just drill here….?

    You ever drive anything that runs on LNG….?


  11. 11 burnout Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    I want less reliance on foreign oil as much or more than anyone. There is always a trade-off. Alternative fuels ALWAYS require bigger, heavier, UGLIER equipment add-ons to do what gasoline does! When presented with the options, most people choose the path of least resistance! peace

  12. 12 Jeff Nicklus Sep 5th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    To All,

    I have three things to say about this subject:

    1: Drill for American Oil NOW!

    2. Drill for American Oil NOW!

    3. Drill for American Oil NOW!

    And that is all I have to say about that!

    Over & Out,


  13. 13 cheesydoesit Oct 7th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    It has been shown that drilling here would only be a TEMPORARY fix. We will still need an alternative.

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